Visit HC but decline special?

[cheongsterjon]

Please do not flame me for starting this thread. Have visited HCs since my army days and almost every HC I have visited offers specials towards the end of session. Just wondering if there are any guy who reject it other than for the reason of the masseuse with CMI looks? For me, almost every massage ends with a release (other than visiting those upscale massage places). Maybe I'm just one narrow horny guy who only think of sex as a lady touches and runs her hands through my bod but please share your thoughts on this topic.

[nightmare77]

Went to a HC together with a buddy after one of our ICT around Bukit Timah area .... wanted a good massage only so when the Gal came in ... she massage only 5 mins nia ... ask me if I want special or not ...told her straight that I wanted a good massage only ... kept pestering to give HJ ... then said massage only dun earn much ... blah blah blah ... I kindly declined the offer .... her face beri black ... sigh ... since I paid at the counter liao .... so lan lan "enjoyed" the terrible massage she gave .. :(

[sgbogyman]

its normal i guess.

before you decline, you can actually inform the reception first that you are going for TRADITIONAL massage. Sometimes they do have masseuse who does a better job when they do not offer 'special' service.

[louis2002]

If I want a good massage, I'll go clean centers.....

If I wanna release, I'll go GL................

Good massage & good fxxk dun mix..............

my 2 cents worth...................

[mit1686]

I think all WL must understand when we cheong hc doesnt meant we must do special. We r normal man who has preference, so if she is not our type, why must we waste money on thing we dont desire.

[ING ING]

If you want just massage, tell the recept so when she arranging for the session.:)

[firefox79]

Well, me too also, whenever i go Hcs, surely will haf take up the specials wan. But this practice is stop today when i visited 1.

I found out the best way to stop the girls frm pestering you to have HJ, FJ, blah blah blah. That is to tell them you din bring enuf $$. :D

They sure will stop asking u once they hear this.

[LostALau]

I think all WL must understand when we cheong hc doesnt meant we must do special. We r normal man who has preference, so if she is not our type, why must we waste money on thing we dont desire.

There are several threads here that recommend good massage without hanky panky. Go through the MRs and choose your pick.

Some ladies in HC have taken up the mission of offering extras and those have become an integral part of their income. Easy money to them.

A lady who is set to give such service for fast income will consider giving full and proper massage a waste of time. If u understand that, you should not 'waste' her time. If you do, dont blame her for showing black face.

I agree with sgbogyman that if you do not want any hanky panky, tell the counter gal in advance so that she can recommend u one who does not do extra but u must not insist on having someone who is young and with good look.

[gitboy]

I had a session at Thomson recently...the looks of this girl really cannot make it...but her massage was so darn good..until her sweat drip on my back...man she really put on effort...

then when she turn..she rub my balls and ask me if I wanted a HJ...becoz her looks can't make it..even if she gave me free also I don't want...she then proceeded and ask me why..I not pretty is it..I bluff and said no lah!!! I married already cannot do this...just proceed with the balance massage and I will still give you a good tip...

she just went back and finish a great massage...

Great massage, great attitude ..so I tip her $50.00...

No chemistry so better not come...I rather DIY in such case

[Angelsonline]

You tipped her $50?!?!! :eek: She really so good with her massage? :confused:

[gitboy]

You tipped her $50?!?!! :eek: She really so good with her massage? :confused:

her looks can't make it..but massage was very good ...remove and relax my aches behind...yes I tip $50.00...even though i decline her HJ ....she was shocked and gave me her card with her handphone...i came out but threw the card away...no cum but good tip for good attitude..

[NismoGTR]

Ya i have encounter this before. when i see the girl outside is ok. then go in massage a while then quickly ask u want special or not. same thing, her face also black

[LostALau]

I had a session at Thomson recently...the looks of this girl really cannot make it...but her massage was so darn good..until her sweat drip on my back......just proceed with the balance massage and I will still give you a good tip...

she just went back and finish a great massage...

Great massage, great attitude ..so I tip her $50.00...

Bro, u damn rich hor .... can tip $50 after a massage. Strike Lottery or Toto izzit. I one day earn less than $50 leh.

[owen10]

if u dun wanna take up their specials feel free to reject them. we dun owe d ladies any obligations.

usually i reject d specials if:

1) d gal cannot make it in d looks dept

2) d gal is pretty BUT attitude suxxxx

3) d gal treat me like robert n quote exhorbitant px for her specials. eg > $50 for HJ. even if its $50 w/o autoroam n stripping i usually will reject unless she's si beh chio lah.

4) im in no mood for specials for tt day but onli for a gd genuine massage

[ING ING]

her looks can't make it..but massage was very good ...remove and relax my aches behind...yes I tip $50.00...

Bro, now $50 can go one round at those FL, you know...:rolleyes:

[longwinter]

Please do not flame me for starting this thread. Have visited HCs since my army days and almost every HC I have visited offers specials towards the end of session. Just wondering if there are any guy who reject it other than for the reason of the masseuse with CMI looks? For me, almost every massage ends with a release (other than visiting those upscale massage places). Maybe I'm just one narrow horny guy who only think of sex as a lady touches and runs her hands through my bod but please share your thoughts on this topic.

haha, for me, l feel abt the same as u. Sometime go to these HCs, with just the pure intention of going for a good rub or a good massage, then the gal start to roam and touch the body, then dun noe why la, will start to feel itchy/horny and jus urge for a bonking.

could still remember there was once, went to this place, the gal service is not very good and kinda cold. but then when she start to massage and rub me around, woah buay tahan, l told her l want to make love with her liaos and then u noe wad happened la.

[Wildvirgin]

Sometime ago i visited a HC in Town area (shall not name), i really needed some good massage and at the same time some fun. Then came in this gal body quite nice but face ok ok only... she was quite chatty and all but the massage a bit cannot make it... so requested her to do add a little more pressure... she started giving excuses like "today very tired", "already using a lot of strength liao"... how do you feel? I felt a bit T.L...

Then as soon as the massage started, it also ended quite prematurely with her suddenly asking, "you want special?" I was not very happy liao... and because we dun have any clothes on... she actually sit on me and started "Sa Jiao"... keep asking "why dun want?" this and that... it lasted 10mins!!!:mad: Wah! All my mood gone man! At that moment, I really wanted to just get out...

Her face was black! I Dun care! i think she thought we are her money tree!

[conjurer]

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I found out the best way to stop the girls frm pestering you to have HJ, FJ, blah blah blah. That is to tell them you din bring enuf $$. :D

They sure will stop asking u once they hear this.

Not quite true, i came across very aggressive ones, one totally cmi MILF even wanted me to show her my wallet to prove that i do not have enough! Another time, this see also die die cannot stand lady ask me "if you dun want special you come here for what?". This is blatantly rude. It sets my mind thinking whether it is true that you cant go to a HC or TN just for massage only.

Some of these ladies using strong arm tactics to get the special and if you reject, they will totally face black black throughout the session. End up walking out of the TN feeling very lousy. Haiz :(. Now if i dun want special i will go to a proper Spa.

[Taiko2006]

I guess you better do some homework. There are plenty of CLEAN massage place, from SPA to healthcentres to Tuinas. We go to HC or SPA to enjoy the massage. No use seeing black face to spoil our day. Or else make it clear at the recep. you want good massage with no extras. Then you'll get old auntie for the job. :p

[paganwinter]

if e.g u go to hc...even when u specify that u want someone who is good in massage n u want massage only...the girl will also ask 4 tip...:( so if want a good massage then it is better to go to those clean joints...n skip hc or tn shops...save u the trouble of declining to tip or d special...

[cheongsterjon]

Any knowledgeable soul here knows how much each wl get from massage alone, let's say the entrance fee is $35?

[Birdking123456]

Any knowledgeable soul here knows how much each wl get from massage alone, let's say the entrance fee is $35?


Hi bro,

Each WL will get as low as $6 to as high as $8 if the entrance fee is $35, depending on the HC.

[owen10]

Hi bro,

Each WL will get as low as $6 to as high as $8 if the entrance fee is $35, depending on the HC.

yeah ... as far as i knw, masseusse do nt earn much fr d massage. no basic sal. like bro birdking mentioned, ard dat $6-8, based on per session (may differ betn diff HCs/TNs). d gals' main source of income r fr tips n specials. hence if bros reject d specials, i thk it's oso basic ethics to give them some small tips, whatever u feel comfy lor.

[Vectra]

i came across very aggressive ones, one totally cmi MILF even wanted me to show her my wallet to prove that i do not have enough!

I sure scold that bitch who she think she was! Or make complain at the counter.:mad:

[owen10]

Not quite true, i came across very aggressive ones, one totally cmi MILF even wanted me to show her my wallet to prove that i do not have enough! Another time, this see also die die cannot stand lady ask me "if you dun want special you come here for what?". This is blatantly rude. It sets my mind thinking whether it is true that you cant go to a HC or TN just for massage only.

Some of these ladies using strong arm tactics to get the special and if you reject, they will totally face black black throughout the session. End up walking out of the TN feeling very lousy. Haiz :(. Now if i dun want special i will go to a proper Spa.

yeah i had came across such gals which u described so well as 'strong arm tactics'. as usual, mostly PRCs will do such things.

some yrs ago, after my piano massage in a TN joint, she asked if i wanna specials. quoted $50 w/o stripping which i wasnt interested. told her didnt bring enuff $$$. she asked to look at my wallet which of cos i refused. as i was dressing up n goin to leave, she was still unhappy n demanded at least i give her some tips. whipped out a $10 n gave to her but she wanted anthr $10 more. knn i was oso pissed liao, juz told her take it or leave it. ticked her off tt i had oredi paid $30 for her supposed 1 hr massage but she finished in 15 mins.

i hope bros wont go soft hearted n succumb to such hard tactics by d masseusse.

[南洋大臣]

Nothing wrong with that but usually I usually make it known to them at teh begining with a promised tip $30. I know HC girls need to clock in hours so long as the session earns them extra usually not a problem. But maybe because we are so familiar with each other.

[fanclrock]

Normally when i cheong hc, i am really to take their special unless those really really cannot make it one, i will reject them when they 1st come into the room.

[paganwinter]

for hc so far no girl ever as me for tip...

ever happened to me a couple of times in tn where d girl just go to my bermudas n take my wallet to c when u say no more money 4 tips...damn rude..ever my left over 20 rmb from tour also they take....i always withdraw mininum just enough to pay for d services....i usually pat their buttocks n tell them this is very rude...n their r young not those aunties type...those "good old days" where d meimei will hang out in tn before going 2 ktv....now dont know have or not...:)

[Hungary Fighter]

usually if the girl who come in cmi.....i will ask counter to change girl.....i will always end having special.....so i will book for the girl i prefer or select until i m happy with the girl.....:D

[stevenash]

usually if the girl who come in cmi.....i will ask counter to change girl.....
Yup,that is the best solution, because she dont hav to waste her time on u, and u get to up a better looking one. win-win for both parties.

[Fat Fatt]

Hi bro,

Each WL will get as low as $6 to as high as $8 if the entrance fee is $35, depending on the HC.
I have never patronize a TN (very scared of raid, and uncomfortable with the sense of cleanliness) I have also reduced going to HC lately, knowing the demise of Msian girls in HC, not much new blood and also higher raids occuring....

The ok ones are still around in Luxury, YHC, DHC, , Pissa, Aiko etc... all got one or two ang pais holding on the torch to keep the HC running.

You are right about the HC gals' earnings. They may get between 6 to 10 dollars per massage. In DHC, they get 10-11 dollars per massage. But they only get 5 off days a month (during their red period) and they can only get MC only from Govt hospitals and they must pay fines of >500 dollars per day for absentism. How can they make back for the $10 per massage if they are up to such strict rules and take more days to rest? Other HC the penalty fine for absent is about $100 to $150.

So it is also hard for them to make money.... of course they should provide minimum level of service since we are paying the entrance fee (which should be about 20 - 30 min of massage), but they expect to earn more from their specials which is why they leave about 15 - 30 min for the transaction too.
Normally in normal HCs,even if a HJ will be acceptable. But in DHC, where such strict rules apply, the gals would appreciate a FJ.

That's why i agree with an earlier post. if looking for a good proper massage, go to the legitimate expensive SPAs, Cuppage terrace, or else where, or even in Banyan Tree, Bintan etc. where they do scrubbing, sanding, bath, soak massage etc.. to pamper your body. anyway the facilities are nicer and looks clean and comfortable. Most HCs facilities are very basic and some CMI, wont enjoy. Maybe only Luxury, and Dragon

[cgcgcg]

(1) I still can recall in late 80's, I went to Whampoa Health Ctr, one Malaysia girl asked me for the special, I rejected her.She even warmed me: next time do not ask for her.... knn, by rotation at that time, i 1st time step into this health ctr.
(2) Went to TN run by PRC, never do any special, the girl demand to give her tip, if not, refuse to let me leave the room....
(3) another PRC 's joint. No special,(as the girl svs suck), went to counter and pay, ccb, the same girl went to the counter, (as all working, no one man the counter),act blur and never return me the change... I demand to have my change back, she LL and return the change, black face...
(4) went to this joint @ BB central, next to the furniture shop, went up around 11pm...went into the room, remove all clothing, the girl came in, told me that I had to do special.. ccb, no even starting the massage... I put back my clothing, left the place...
(5) think 2 week ago, visited one newly open joint @ selegie, the pdmm asked me whether want to massage my bro, i said no... knnccb, she still try to rub my bro and told me she will make me "happy", but I have to give her tip...

[Harley]

You are right about the HC gals' earnings. They may get between 6 to 10 dollars per massage. In DHC, they get 10-11 dollars per massage. But they only get 5 off days a month (during their red period) and they can only get MC only from Govt hospitals and they must pay fines of >500 dollars per day for absentism. How can they make back for the $10 per massage if they are up to such strict rules and take more days to rest? Other HC the penalty fine for absent is about $100 to $150.

The fines is a huge.:eek: Sometimes really pity the WL...

[andrewforest]

I remember I went to one of the HC in Katong shopping centre, the girl ( quite old ) came to massage me wearing a T-shirt, can see a nipple as the T-shirt is quite thin, after 10min, ask me want special, me reject her becos only 10 min then she ask GQ already somemore not SYT. I just politely told her that I just want massage, she walk out immediately, Knn I oso dun know what happen, think should leave or not, then I wait another 5min, she came in with another top ( change the T-shirt, of couse cannot see the nipple liao) with face black black, massage another 10min said finished, dun have any conversation after that.

Actually I prefer HC concept, but normally bundle with special

Dun think there are real massage that cater individual room w bath room, can naked when massage, $35 - $38 for 45 min, average girls ok. Even the normal HDB TN cost between $38 - $40.

Have any bro wonder why there are no raid in HC, issit legal to have special in HC?

[Birdking123456]

Have any bro wonder why there are no raid in HC, issit legal to have special in HC?


Dear Bro Andrew,

Hope I have not misunderstood you. But I find it offensive that you want raids on HC !!!??? By the way, of course there are raids on HC.

Officially, the government says HC cannot have specials. But look, in reality, is it possible or is it fair or is it realistic to ban specials in HC?

The girls are in this line because they need money. About half the girls need the monies because they are single mothers or need to support their boyfriends/parents/siblings.

The guys are in HC because they need massage AND specials. If you do not want specials, just tell the counter recep upfront and they will know what to do. Or read brother "Fat Fatt" post on where to go for proper and clean massage/spa.

My personal opinion is that govt should only raid HC to make sure that all girls are legal, all undergone health checks and all use condoms when providing specials, NOT to raid them to prevent specials or to check for condoms.

To me, it is meaningless to raid a HC for specials because it penalises the girls who actually bothers to be licensed and go for health checks. To conduct raids in HC is to terrorise the girls because if caught, their work permits will be cancelled and cannot work in Singapore anymore. It is wrong in my opinion to terrorise working gals who are licensed and raids can be abused by people (and can be abused by the POLICE) who has an axe to grind with the HC/girls.

Police efforts should be focused on TuiNa which provided specials with illegal girls who never go for health checks and who open their shops in HDB neighbourhoods.

Of course in my opinion, the girls must not show black face even if customers do not want specials. But humans are humans. Just imagine if you are selling cars/cosmetics/insurance/properties/clothes/etc and after talking for more than one hour, your customer tells you "nice listening to your sales talk, but I have no intention to buy at all". How u feel?

[andrewforest]

Dear Bro Andrew,

Hope I have not misunderstood you. But I find it offensive that you want raids on HC !!!??? By the way, of course there are raids on HC.

Officially, the government says HC cannot have specials. But look, in reality, is it possible or is it fair or is it realistic to ban specials in HC?

The girls are in this line because they need money. About half the girls need the monies because they are single mothers or need to support their boyfriends/parents/siblings.

The guys are in HC because they need massage AND specials. If you do not want specials, just tell the counter recep upfront and they will know what to do. Or read brother "Fat Fatt" post on where to go for proper and clean massage/spa.

My personal opinion is that govt should only raid HC to make sure that all girls are legal, all undergone health checks and all use condoms when providing specials, NOT to raid them to prevent specials or to check for condoms.

To me, it is meaningless to raid a HC for specials because it penalises the girls who actually bothers to be licensed and go for health checks. To conduct raids in HC is to terrorise the girls because if caught, their work permits will be cancelled and cannot work in Singapore anymore. It is wrong in my opinion to terrorise working gals who are licensed and raids can be abused by people (and can be abused by the POLICE) who has an axe to grind with the HC/girls.

Police efforts should be focused on TuiNa which provided specials with illegal girls who never go for health checks and who open their shops in HDB neighbourhoods.

Of course in my opinion, the girls must not show black face even if customers do not want specials. But humans are humans. Just imagine if you are selling cars/cosmetics/insurance/properties/clothes/etc and after talking for more than one hour, your customer tells you "nice listening to your sales talk, but I have no intention to buy at all". How u feel?


So sorry, no lah, I dun mean the HC should be raid too, becos even I dun go, alot of bros still enjoy going to HC mah.

I am just abit curious why they are frequent raid on the TN but never heard on HC. Even the legal TN are often kana check.

I normally dun go to HC becos as mention not to disappoint them. So no choice have to go either Hot spa or oriental spa instead

Once again, sorry if my statement offenced you. We are here to enjoy and share.:p

[Birdking123456]

So sorry, no lah, ...............

Once again, sorry if my statement offenced you. We are here to enjoy and share.:p


Hi Bro Andrew

No problem bro. I was just sharing my personal thoughts. Hope no offense to u also. Agree with u "we are here to enjoy and share".

Do continue to share more of your experiences. :)

[cheongsterjon]

The ok ones are still around in Luxury, YHC, DHC, , Pissa, Aiko etc... all got one or two ang pais holding on the torch to keep the HC running.

You are right about the HC gals' earnings. They may get between 6 to 10 dollars per massage. In DHC, they get 10-11 dollars per massage. But they only get 5 off days a month (during their red period) and they can only get MC only from Govt hospitals and they must pay fines of >500 dollars per day for absentism. How can they make back for the $10 per massage if they are up to such strict rules and take more days to rest? Other HC the penalty fine for absent is about $100 to $150.

So it is also hard for them to make money.... of course they should provide minimum level of service since we are paying the entrance fee (which should be about 20 - 30 min of massage), but they expect to earn more from their specials which is why they leave about 15 - 30 min for the transaction too.
Normally in normal HCs,even if a HJ will be acceptable. But in DHC, where such strict rules apply, the gals would appreciate a FJ.

That's why i agree with an earlier post. if looking for a good proper massage, go to the legitimate expensive SPAs, Cuppage terrace, or else where, or even in Banyan Tree, Bintan etc. where they do scrubbing, sanding, bath, soak massage etc.. to pamper your body. anyway the facilities are nicer and looks clean and comfortable. Most HCs facilities are very basic and some CMI, wont enjoy. Maybe only Luxury, and Dragon

Earning about $10 per session is so little, considering that they have no basic salary and do not provide special. I always thought they have a basic salary and the $10 per session given to them is commission. But still some of the angpais can still earn lots of money.

Like earlier stated in some HCs, the girls are fined up to $500 for absenteeism but out of curiosity, can enlighten why can't the WLs switch to another HC when fined by one?

[newyorker88]

Earning about $10 per session is so little, considering that they have no basic salary and do not provide special. I always thought they have a basic salary and the $10 per session given to them is commission. But still some of the angpais can still earn lots of money.

Like earlier stated in some HCs, the girls are fined up to $500 for absenteeism but out of curiosity, can enlighten why can't the WLs switch to another HC when fined by one?

OMG! $500 for absenteesim? You sure on that? that is hell alot.

In Batam, I know that the gals earn UP TO 10K rupiah for every massage they give, out of 50K per hour. Most of the gals are from other kampongs , and come on contract for 1 year. Like it or not, they work. But never heard of penaties imposed.

For singapore case, could it be work permit issue?

[RollzRoyce]

OMG! $500 for absenteesim? You sure on that? that is hell alot.

The WL are not stupid to have the fine $500. They can sure earn more out of working there.;)

[Vectra]

OMG! $500 for absenteesim? You sure on that? that is hell alot.

Is like that in SG. The HC operator need to cover the cost of running the huge operation.:cool:

[lam1673]

When i go to HC but do not intend to do special , I will tell counter i need good hard massage and they will usually able to assign a lao goh or if lucky a MILF for me. I normally don't get black face and if the massage is good , I will give $20 tips. In fact I RTM one lao goh without special and she is still glad to serve me.

[ang09]

OMG! $500 for absenteesim? You sure on that? that is hell alot.

?500 for not turning up! they should complain to MOM, that is simply too much!:mad:

[Kopiman75]

In the past, i would feel pai seh not opting for at least one special. Sometimes, the girl really CMI, and when i choose no special and given the black face, i will feel lousy.

After years of cheonging and numerous encounters with such girls, i am now more seasoned. I will ask her to f*%k off if she keep pestering me for specials with bad attitude. Those who are polite, i will decline nicely. No more feel lousy becos of these ppl, not worth it!:cool:

[Birdking123456]

500 for not turning up! they should complain to MOM, that is simply too much!:mad:


Hi bro ang09

What is the use of complaining to govt ?

I can imagine, if I am MOM, I will tell the WLs if not happy with the fine by your boss, don't come to Singapore and work in HC lor.

If complain to Labour Rights or Human Rights Groups or United Nations whatever committees, Singapore govt will deny there is any exploitation of labour or women in Singapore, or people here willingly prepared to be fined and exploited.

U can see that HC bosses, in general, if black-hearted enough, just by fines alone, already make tons of monies per month.

One HC has an average of 15 girls per month, and most HC girls I met so far will normally go missing about 3 to 10 days unauthorised per month. So u calculate 15 girls times 3 days times $100 to $500 == $4500 to $22500

[Birdking123456]

Earning about $10 per session is so little, considering that they have no basic salary and do not provide special. I always thought they have a basic salary and the $10 per session given to them is commission. But still some of the angpais can still earn lots of money.

Like earlier stated in some HCs, the girls are fined up to $500 for absenteeism but out of curiosity, can enlighten why can't the WLs switch to another HC when fined by one?


Hi bro cheongsterjon

You earn $10 only if u work in Dragon or higher class HC where the minimum entrance fee per session is more than $50.

Of course, the Ang Pais earn a lot. Ang Pai probably can earn enough to pay $1000 to $2000 of fines per month without any problem and still can buy houses, buy cars and save up for retirement. But by definition, Ang Pais only forms about 20% of the WLs.

WLs do compare and switch HCs. That is why we have a lot of brothers request for WLs latest work places because the WLs switch without informing us.

But all HCs have the fines system. If you are a good boss, you will fine $50 per day not working. If not, you will fine $$500 per day. But the problem of being a good boss is that your girls will tend to go missing every other day and especially on Public Holidays and weekends.

So there is a reason for the existence of the fines system.

[owen10]

well, abt d penalty of $500 for absenteeism, i believe its small change to d angpais since they earn so much a mth but i guess it still hurts. if their reason is legitimate, like genuinely sick with MC, i believe d HCs wd not b so unreasonable to fine them. unless if these gals prima donna, dun feel like turning up for wk after a late nite out, then they really deserved to be fined lor.

saying tt, again if d gals r d angpais i dun thk d HCs will even dare to fine them. d gal can juz threaten to quit. if they lose her, juz imagine how much more damages they'll incur!