Thai "holiday gf"? Anyone had something like this before?

[cbk69]

This is going to be long, so it's only for those who have the time to read :)

I go to BKK once every 1.5 to 2 months on average for work (each time for about a week). Other weeks I'm mostly traveling around the region.
On one of the trips, I went to one of the F shops, and RTFed this nice lady (early 30s, slim, no tattoos, quite pretty in my eyes) a few times on 2-3 trips.
She was more passionate than most - a lot of GFE, hugging, DFK blah blah, always did her hardest to give me a good time. Unfortunately she doesn't know much English though, but I got to learn bits and pieces about her through simple words and Google translate.

Eventually I got her contact and invited her for a late mookrata after her work. Following day invited her to my hotel after her work at about 10pm. We basically F-ed like rabbits until 1-2am before I had to leave for my flight, we kissed goodbye and she called her own Grab home. I was expecting her to ask for money after that but she did not, in fact I found it surprising that she was still OK to F after she's had a full day of working as a WL at the shop.

I also started bringing her out to explore the city together. We did a lot of stuff that typical couples do - trying new restaurants, trying street food, bowling, etc, lots of hand-holding/hugging/affection outside. She seemed like a "simple" girl and was honestly happy with whatever I wanted to do or eat, even if it's just simple food that costs under 100 baht. I always ask her to choose what she wants from the menu and she always just chooses the cheaper items. I'm the one who wants to eat better stuff usually. Of course I (took the initiative to) foot all the food bills but I'm happy to (and she makes it a point to thank me after every meal) and anyway it's quite cheap as I never eat at high end places, so I have zero problems.
She is also very polite to everyone she sees - waitstaff, grab drivers, people outside etc, maybe it's how all Thais behave but it's something I really liked.
When we go to a pharmacy etc, she just takes the initiative to pay for her own skincare/hygiene products, and I let her.
Overall it was honestly great.. daytime I either work/meet clients, or go out with her if I'm free, and at night we always have mindblowing sex (one thing - she sometimes tells me no "boom boom" (jokingly? can't tell) when we're in my room, but once I start licking her nips or frenching her, she starts going crazy and becomes a nympho. It's not hard at all to make her go for 2 rounds a night).
On one of the nights I accidentally entered her raw while we were fooling around in the bathtub, and when we progressed to the bed I continued that way. Not sure what happened but when I was about to cum, I asked if I could cum inside her (kind of in the heat of passion but I wasn't expecting a Yes to be honest). She actually said yes. She doesn't know anything much about me so if she got pregnant, I could have disappeared and she couldn't do anything, so at that time it felt weird. Anyway, I eventually found out that she takes those morning-after pills (when we went into a pharmacy and she bought the pills - first time I knew of those pills to be honest, she was rather surprised that I didn't know).

(Yes, I know it's very risky to go raw especially with a WL, I'm going in with both eyes open and I do regular HIV tests. The feeling of cumming inside is really too good to resist especially with her.. it's those kind of highly charged, passionate orgasms when hugging her tightly and cumming hard into her and feeling her quivering together with me).

We went on like this for another of my trips to BKK, then on one of the days while I was in Bangkok, I asked if she was free to meet, and she suddenly told me that she had quit her job at the F shop, and needed time that day to sort things out and couldn't meet on the day itself. She didn't give much details and I didn't probe.. but it seemed like she had totally quit working a regular job at the F shops, because she was basically free to hang out with me the whole day, for my whole trip (albeit a short one). And this continued for the next few trips where she seemed to be able to drop everything to be with me for nearly the entire day and night. She did say she had started an online clothing business... although how much could she earn from there?

I recently brought her on a 4-day trip to Hua Hin and we had such a great time too.. exploring in the day, relaxing by the beach or pool, morning wake-up sex, occasional afternoon sex, and late night sex while on a moderate amount of alcohol (she doesn't drink much but indulges me, we had a lot of fun trying different new drinks from 7-11). We always did it raw and I always finished inside her... in short, we really behaved a lot like regular couples (but never had any long/serious conversations due to language barrier). As usual she never asked for money ever (even paying for moderately expensive meals once in a while like 400-500 baht total when it was more convenient to pay by QR code), and she always says she is doing fine when I ask her about her life and business, though she says she has no real passion and doesn't know what she really wants to do.

Having read a lot of stories online, I've always expected her to start telling me about her sick mother blah blah, but she never did on any of the occasions we've met (I've known her for nearly a year already). In fact she tells me her parents are doing great and they have a decent house and farm in Isan.
Another thing is, we actually hardly text once I'm out of Bangkok, maybe 1 or 2 texts every few days and we could go weeks without texting until I tell her I'm coming "next week".

Her background: She is from Isan and she has a child with a Thai husband from fairly long ago.. she used to run a few mookata shops but things turned sour with her husband who was a gaming and gambling addict (who eventually took his own life when she left him - she opened this info up to me recently), and after she closed all the shops, she worked for 4 years in Korea as a WL (something she shared quite early on). She had a BF while working there for a while, but eventually ended the r/s when she was caught in a raid and had to leave Korea.

What's going on here? I'm expecting that she might be freelancing (surely her newly started online clothing business can't be earning her much given there's so much competition), yet she doesn't hide her phone at all while with me (she's mostly just on tiktok/instagram/facebook doomscrolling, calling family sometimes, or texting her friend occasionally in Thai). And she never asks me to buy her anything, and doesn't even want to shop when we're together. I had to force her to buy a swimsuit before we left for Hua Hin, lol.). I feel like I don't want to probe her too much as she might not want me to see her that way (if she's really freelancing), yet if she's really freelancing, I can understand as well. Her background isn't exactly squeaky clean and she's had stints in Korea and Bangkok as a WL.

Am I overthinking this.. is it just because she simply likes being with me and therefore doesn't ask me for anything else... yet? She doesn't see me as a BF (and I know she knows that I don't see her as a GF - because she tells me sometimes that she feels fat as she eats too much when I'm with her, and she needs to slim down as she doesn't have a BF yet - and I didn't counter at all). Though we behave totally like couples outside, lots of hugging, affection etc. I'm not complaining about anything at all but the whole relationship feels a little weird to me.

Sorry for the wall of text.. I didn't have anyone else I could share this with, and wanted to see if anyone had a similar experience to share, or comments and questions are welcome too.

[Lucaspato]

Thanks for the story. it was a good read.

About the rawing= the first time is always the best! and CIP. most of the WLs/ FLs are on the Birth control pill anyway, and the morning after also helps. they more afraid of STD / HIV. spkoe with some of the FLs i rawed, they have the experience to know who can raw and who can.

for your girl, 2 things:

1) She is playing the long game with you and she's not desperate: she has the funds already to sustain herself but of course if u can care for her it would be good. she sounds more lao jiao and definitely could be very familiar with this game. She's waiting for the right time, could be " baby i am pregnant na, its your baby na" to lock yo down.


2) She is like you, enjoying your company without the " complications" of marriage. you said her husband died, so probably marriage is something she will never look into, but she wants that " feeling" .

Either way, you get free raw pussy which is good, just make sure your heart doesnt get carried away. all the best bro!

[gerber88]

As long as you protect your heart and your dick, just go with it. dont think so much.

singapore is a stressful place and to be able to find such sexual and emotional joy is not so easy.

live in the moment

[NumaNumaKoil]

Honestly I would say just enjoy it. Have had holiday girlfriend arrangements with Thai girls 3 times before, all from Dome 1. Added their LINE while they were working in Singapore, and set up the arrangement when I was planning my trips. All the same arrangement and MO honestly. 6-7 days holidaying in various parts of Thailand, raw CIP always and a person to enjoy my holiday with with no attachments at the end of it. Of course I pay them for their time, but its not a bad arrangement as long as you are clear on the boundaries that they are just temporary travel companions.

Frankly speaking it is not bad if you are single. Good times for all. Just be a gentleman and be respectful, and have a ball of a time.

[cbk69]

Thanks for the story. it was a good read.

About the rawing= the first time is always the best! and CIP. most of the WLs/ FLs are on the Birth control pill anyway, and the morning after also helps. they more afraid of STD / HIV. spkoe with some of the FLs i rawed, they have the experience to know who can raw and who can.

for your girl, 2 things:

1) She is playing the long game with you and she's not desperate: she has the funds already to sustain herself but of course if u can care for her it would be good. she sounds more lao jiao and definitely could be very familiar with this game. She's waiting for the right time, could be " baby i am pregnant na, its your baby na" to lock yo down.


2) She is like you, enjoying your company without the " complications" of marriage. you said her husband died, so probably marriage is something she will never look into, but she wants that " feeling" .

Either way, you get free raw pussy which is good, just make sure your heart doesnt get carried away. all the best bro!

Thank you sir. It was very conflicting for me to think of her as a very nice girl (and she behaves as such) but yet with such a coloured past and it makes me shudder (maybe even sad?) that she's probably still freelancing. I really struggle to think of her that way.
Yet I just can't see her getting livable income otherwise unless she had saved up a lot from her Korea days, but I doubt so. She doesn't spend on shopping though and is probably quite low maintenance. Her brother also works in the city (but as a lower end store worker) so I guess at least she doesn't have to support her bro that much.


As long as you protect your heart and your dick, just go with it. dont think so much.

singapore is a stressful place and to be able to find such sexual and emotional joy is not so easy.

live in the moment

Yeah, previously I didn't really feel any urge to go back to BKK that soon after I've left, but this time I felt a bit of it, which is dangerous as I still have a life outside of BKK - when I'm in BKK, my life basically freezes. Need to distract myself a bit.

[gerber88]

Thank you sir. It was very conflicting for me to think of her as a very nice girl (and she behaves as such) but yet with such a coloured past and it makes me shudder (maybe even sad?) that she's probably still freelancing. I really struggle to think of her that way.
Yet I just can't see her getting livable income otherwise unless she had saved up a lot from her Korea days, but I doubt so. She doesn't spend on shopping though and is probably quite low maintenance. Her brother also works in the city (but as a lower end store worker) so I guess at least she doesn't have to support her bro that much.




Yeah, previously I didn't really feel any urge to go back to BKK that soon after I've left, but this time I felt a bit of it, which is dangerous as I still have a life outside of BKK - when I'm in BKK, my life basically freezes. Need to distract myself a bit.

I think, just set some " boundaries" for yourself. write it down and STICK to it.

when you feel yourself getting carried away, read it. make a video of yourself telling yourself, if you feel like you are getting gongtaoed, leave. if she ask for cow sick money, leave.

then go and enjoy life in thailand if you have no commitments here ( family/ parents) I wish you all the best bro!

[Penguin23]

This is going to be long, so it's only for those who have the time to read :)

I go to BKK once every 1.5 to 2 months on average for work (each time for about a week). Other weeks I'm mostly traveling around the region.
On one of the trips, I went to one of the F shops, and RTFed this nice lady (early 30s, slim, no tattoos, quite pretty in my eyes) a few times on 2-3 trips.
She was more passionate than most - a lot of GFE, hugging, DFK blah blah, always did her hardest to give me a good time. Unfortunately she doesn't know much English though, but I got to learn bits and pieces about her through simple words and Google translate.

Eventually I got her contact and invited her for a late mookrata after her work. Following day invited her to my hotel after her work at about 10pm. We basically F-ed like rabbits until 1-2am before I had to leave for my flight, we kissed goodbye and she called her own Grab home. I was expecting her to ask for money after that but she did not, in fact I found it surprising that she was still OK to F after she's had a full day of working as a WL at the shop.

I also started bringing her out to explore the city together. We did a lot of stuff that typical couples do - trying new restaurants, trying street food, bowling, etc, lots of hand-holding/hugging/affection outside. She seemed like a "simple" girl and was honestly happy with whatever I wanted to do or eat, even if it's just simple food that costs under 100 baht. I always ask her to choose what she wants from the menu and she always just chooses the cheaper items. I'm the one who wants to eat better stuff usually. Of course I (took the initiative to) foot all the food bills but I'm happy to (and she makes it a point to thank me after every meal) and anyway it's quite cheap as I never eat at high end places, so I have zero problems.
She is also very polite to everyone she sees - waitstaff, grab drivers, people outside etc, maybe it's how all Thais behave but it's something I really liked.
When we go to a pharmacy etc, she just takes the initiative to pay for her own skincare/hygiene products, and I let her.
Overall it was honestly great.. daytime I either work/meet clients, or go out with her if I'm free, and at night we always have mindblowing sex (one thing - she sometimes tells me no "boom boom" (jokingly? can't tell) when we're in my room, but once I start licking her nips or frenching her, she starts going crazy and becomes a nympho. It's not hard at all to make her go for 2 rounds a night).
On one of the nights I accidentally entered her raw while we were fooling around in the bathtub, and when we progressed to the bed I continued that way. Not sure what happened but when I was about to cum, I asked if I could cum inside her (kind of in the heat of passion but I wasn't expecting a Yes to be honest). She actually said yes. She doesn't know anything much about me so if she got pregnant, I could have disappeared and she couldn't do anything, so at that time it felt weird. Anyway, I eventually found out that she takes those morning-after pills (when we went into a pharmacy and she bought the pills - first time I knew of those pills to be honest, she was rather surprised that I didn't know).

(Yes, I know it's very risky to go raw especially with a WL, I'm going in with both eyes open and I do regular HIV tests. The feeling of cumming inside is really too good to resist especially with her.. it's those kind of highly charged, passionate orgasms when hugging her tightly and cumming hard into her and feeling her quivering together with me).

We went on like this for another of my trips to BKK, then on one of the days while I was in Bangkok, I asked if she was free to meet, and she suddenly told me that she had quit her job at the F shop, and needed time that day to sort things out and couldn't meet on the day itself. She didn't give much details and I didn't probe.. but it seemed like she had totally quit working a regular job at the F shops, because she was basically free to hang out with me the whole day, for my whole trip (albeit a short one). And this continued for the next few trips where she seemed to be able to drop everything to be with me for nearly the entire day and night. She did say she had started an online clothing business... although how much could she earn from there?

I recently brought her on a 4-day trip to Hua Hin and we had such a great time too.. exploring in the day, relaxing by the beach or pool, morning wake-up sex, occasional afternoon sex, and late night sex while on a moderate amount of alcohol (she doesn't drink much but indulges me, we had a lot of fun trying different new drinks from 7-11). We always did it raw and I always finished inside her... in short, we really behaved a lot like regular couples (but never had any long/serious conversations due to language barrier). As usual she never asked for money ever (even paying for moderately expensive meals once in a while like 400-500 baht total when it was more convenient to pay by QR code), and she always says she is doing fine when I ask her about her life and business, though she says she has no real passion and doesn't know what she really wants to do.

Having read a lot of stories online, I've always expected her to start telling me about her sick mother blah blah, but she never did on any of the occasions we've met (I've known her for nearly a year already). In fact she tells me her parents are doing great and they have a decent house and farm in Isan.
Another thing is, we actually hardly text once I'm out of Bangkok, maybe 1 or 2 texts every few days and we could go weeks without texting until I tell her I'm coming "next week".

Her background: She is from Isan and she has a child with a Thai husband from fairly long ago.. she used to run a few mookata shops but things turned sour with her husband who was a gaming and gambling addict (who eventually took his own life when she left him - she opened this info up to me recently), and after she closed all the shops, she worked for 4 years in Korea as a WL (something she shared quite early on). She had a BF while working there for a while, but eventually ended the r/s when she was caught in a raid and had to leave Korea.

What's going on here? I'm expecting that she might be freelancing (surely her newly started online clothing business can't be earning her much given there's so much competition), yet she doesn't hide her phone at all while with me (she's mostly just on tiktok/instagram/facebook doomscrolling, calling family sometimes, or texting her friend occasionally in Thai). And she never asks me to buy her anything, and doesn't even want to shop when we're together. I had to force her to buy a swimsuit before we left for Hua Hin, lol.). I feel like I don't want to probe her too much as she might not want me to see her that way (if she's really freelancing), yet if she's really freelancing, I can understand as well. Her background isn't exactly squeaky clean and she's had stints in Korea and Bangkok as a WL.

Am I overthinking this.. is it just because she simply likes being with me and therefore doesn't ask me for anything else... yet? She doesn't see me as a BF (and I know she knows that I don't see her as a GF - because she tells me sometimes that she feels fat as she eats too much when I'm with her, and she needs to slim down as she doesn't have a BF yet - and I didn't counter at all). Though we behave totally like couples outside, lots of hugging, affection etc. I'm not complaining about anything at all but the whole relationship feels a little weird to me.

Sorry for the wall of text.. I didn't have anyone else I could share this with, and wanted to see if anyone had a similar experience to share, or comments and questions are welcome too.

I had a similar experience with a thai lady from a F joint in BKK near the hotel where I am always checked into during business trips. It was great while it lasted, but yes, it is confusing as hell so I can relate to how you are feeling. Ultimately I deleted her LINE contact because she was always engaging me in conversations all day, I was married then and I didn't want this to develop into anything serious.

Your girl probably has a very pragmatic and also very fluid view on your "relationship status" with her. She clearly enjoys being with you, enjoys the raw sex and she probably regards time spent with you to be emotionally satisfying, though probably not monetarily rewarding part of her life. I am guessing that she lives a rather disciplined lifestyle, doesn't blow her money unnecessarily on silly goods like the latest iPhone and expensive designer bags - most of her money probably goes to her parents who are, I guess, taking care of her child. This is a positive thing, being a single mum but still responsible for her child is the mark of a decent human being.

She also probably thinks someone with her background (single mum, ex-WL, farmgirl from Isaan) has an ice-cube chance in hell ending up with a "high value" single man so she is quite open to whatever "good things" chooses to come her way.

Just wondering if your girl has ever been curious about your background, did she ever ask or probe whether you are married and whether you have kids. If she has never broached the subject, volunteer something about your family situation and see her response. If her conversations turn serious, then you know what is on her mind. If she always keeps the conversations light, this in itself is already the answer.

You need to be realistic too - if you are yourself married with kids, then there is no realistic chance of a happy ending. Even if you are single, being a step-parent is probably one of the hardest, most thankless thing that you can ever try to do. With single mums, your ability to bond with the kid is like facing the final boss, but this stage seems to be still far away so just take things one step at a time.

[encikamrann]

I had a similar experience with a thai lady from a F joint in BKK near the hotel where I am always checked into during business trips. It was great while it lasted, but yes, it is confusing as hell so I can relate to how you are feeling. Ultimately I deleted her LINE contact because she was always engaging me in conversations all day, I was married then and I didn't want this to develop into anything serious.

Your girl probably has a very pragmatic and also very fluid view on your "relationship status" with her. She clearly enjoys being with you, enjoys the raw sex and she probably regards time spent with you to be emotionally satisfying, though probably not monetarily rewarding part of her life. I am guessing that she lives a rather disciplined lifestyle, doesn't blow her money unnecessarily on silly goods like the latest iPhone and expensive designer bags - most of her money probably goes to her parents who are, I guess, taking care of her child. This is a positive thing, being a single mum but still responsible for her child is the mark of a decent human being.

She also probably thinks someone with her background (single mum, ex-WL, farmgirl from Isaan) has an ice-cube chance in hell ending up with a "high value" single man so she is quite open to whatever "good things" chooses to come her way.

Just wondering if your girl has ever been curious about your background, did she ever ask or probe whether you are married and whether you have kids. If she has never broached the subject, volunteer something about your family situation and see her response. If her conversations turn serious, then you know what is on her mind. If she always keeps the conversations light, this in itself is already the answer.

You need to be realistic too - if you are yourself married with kids, then there is no realistic chance of a happy ending. Even if you are single, being a step-parent is probably one of the hardest, most thankless thing that you can ever try to do. With single mums, your ability to bond with the kid is like facing the final boss, but this stage seems to be still far away so just take things one step at a time.

wow, that's a very good reply and touched many good points.To TS, I guess sooner or later, you'll see the more complicated side of this r/s and like bro penguin said, you need to be realistic too.

[iLuvSashimi]

From personal experience, enjoy this ambiguous r/s while it last.
Doesn't hurt to give her a token sum for her accompaniment sometimes. For now, she doesn't mind your presence in her life. Maybe she sees you as a "gik" too. But if she ever find a BF and wants to settle down, she will confirm cut it off with you.
Last time I also got 1, can raw, can travel together, even ate with her family a few times too. Then one day she tell me she is seeing this guy, serious r/s. Then subsequently she just MIA. Line her no reply. IG no updates. Became like a ghost.

[cbk69]

Wow, I really appreciate your reply bro. How long did your "relationship" last?

In my case, she really hardly texts me at all. Actually, we don't have much conversation topics at all, she speaks nearly 0 English and obviously me 0 Thai. How about your girl last time, did she speak some English?
It seems that we just enjoy each other's company and we are very affectionate towards each other both outside and in the bedroom, and we do activities together like walking around etc although she actually hates walking haha. She always surprises me with her hidden talents.. like when I brought her bowling and she freaking beat me in the 1st and only game even though it's her first time bowling (she can't be faking this haha, her grip and posture all wrong). And then at the resort I taught her table tennis and she was able to return shots quite consistently within 5 minutes. But I digress.

I agree with you, she probably does have a very pragmatic view of the relationship. She clearly doesn't see me as a BF (or she's waiting for me to say that I would like her to be my GF...), and when she finds someone eventually (quite sure it'd be a Thai person or at least Thai-speaking person), she'll likely cut me off. I guess I have to be prepared for that.

She did ask me about my background, and yeah I told her I'm single and free. But I'm actually married with a child, though I really live like a single person for the most part (leading a double life, yes).
I know I'm morally ambiguous/bad and that's probably why I am not going to blame her if she is also not going to be truthful about what she's doing.

Actually, on the last trip, after this girl went back home on Friday, I happened to get a proper no-nonsense massage at a proper place (those places with lots of tourists and real google reviews) - I was totally not expecting this kind of encounter because I've gotten so many massages at proper places before, and never ever got prepositioned before to meet after the session (but golden Q/HJ/boom-boom at the place itself, obviously very common la as you know).
But somehow this masseuse (quite cute actually) seemed really interested in me (kept giggling etc), asked where I was going/staying, and asked if she could stay with me for the night (not so directly but asked in a roundabout way). We exchanged contacts and she really showed up at my hotel. This is a full story for another day, but in summary, after some quick conversation we started making out heavily in the room, I got a little too heated and wanted to F her but she stopped me - she said she didn't mind giving me a HJ but she didn't want to F on the 1st time as it should not be the way. Not sure why but I rejected her HJ as I originally wanted to go all the way, and her actions gave me the idea that she wanted a good time herself (who the heck would suggest going to your hotel room otherwise? And she wasn't asking for money either).
But anyway after we both calmed down, she said she was really sorry and had to go home as she still had to work the next day, but she promised to stay over the next time if I told her in advance and she would then pack her bag with sleeping clothes etc. I thought that would be the end of it because maybe I was a little too aggressive, but turns out she continued to text me and we're still texting quite a bit now (more than the 1st girl actually). She seems like a fun genuine girl but honestly, all these girls are confusing the hell out of me and I really have no idea if they are playing these games with 5 other guys to see who bites, or if they actually really like me.

Life is so complicated... I feel like maybe I'm not getting enough excitement in my life, that's why I'm letting these things happen to me. :rolleyes:

BTW if anyone is interested in their photos, I'm happy to share here too. Both really look like very decent proper girls. Not super stunning but a bit of the GND look.

I had a similar experience with a thai lady from a F joint in BKK near the hotel where I am always checked into during business trips. It was great while it lasted, but yes, it is confusing as hell so I can relate to how you are feeling. Ultimately I deleted her LINE contact because she was always engaging me in conversations all day, I was married then and I didn't want this to develop into anything serious.

Your girl probably has a very pragmatic and also very fluid view on your "relationship status" with her. She clearly enjoys being with you, enjoys the raw sex and she probably regards time spent with you to be emotionally satisfying, though probably not monetarily rewarding part of her life. I am guessing that she lives a rather disciplined lifestyle, doesn't blow her money unnecessarily on silly goods like the latest iPhone and expensive designer bags - most of her money probably goes to her parents who are, I guess, taking care of her child. This is a positive thing, being a single mum but still responsible for her child is the mark of a decent human being.

She also probably thinks someone with her background (single mum, ex-WL, farmgirl from Isaan) has an ice-cube chance in hell ending up with a "high value" single man so she is quite open to whatever "good things" chooses to come her way.

Just wondering if your girl has ever been curious about your background, did she ever ask or probe whether you are married and whether you have kids. If she has never broached the subject, volunteer something about your family situation and see her response. If her conversations turn serious, then you know what is on her mind. If she always keeps the conversations light, this in itself is already the answer.

You need to be realistic too - if you are yourself married with kids, then there is no realistic chance of a happy ending. Even if you are single, being a step-parent is probably one of the hardest, most thankless thing that you can ever try to do. With single mums, your ability to bond with the kid is like facing the final boss, but this stage seems to be still far away so just take things one step at a time.

[Penguin23]

Mine lasted a few months - it came to a point where I was always looking for a reason to go to BKK. I even switched my business flights to indirect, and chose Thai Airways as a preferred airline so that I can break the journey home with a free stopover on BKK and come back with my balls completely dry. At that stage of my career, I always had a gazillion hotel points from business travel, so the bangkok stopover only made a small dent in my hotel point balance. However, in the end, reality bites - the sex became somewhat routine and I honestly got a bit bored of her.

She spoke fairly good english, and liked to chat with me all day and to me, that was the dangerous part. She was really interested in a relationship. The sexual chemistry between us was electric, once we were out from the F shop and back at the hotel I just couldn't get enough of fucking her juicy pussy and she just loved the feeling of having my cum filling her up. We fucked everywhere - in the shower, on the hotel suite dining table, on the sofa until her juices soaked and stained the seat cushions, and her favourite was fucking doggy over the full-length hotel window overlooking the bangkok skyline. Great memories.

I can understand your natural "suspicion" that your girl will have multiple guys in play at all times. This is probably the easiest emotional state to be in, it helps you cope with the inconvenient truth that she works in a F shop and she will get fucked by some other guy, at some point. As they say, ignorance is bliss. In my view the truth is often much more mundane. Women are generally not wired to play the field, some more if the sex is always raw. I have this theory that sex raw messes up the girls' feelings much more than the guys' so most girls maintain fucking raw with multiple guys (unless you're a porn star)

With regards to your new ML adventure, just have fun while it lasts - you said it yourself, that you are married with a kid so neither one of your adventures can ever have a happy ending. Try to also understand life from the girl's point of view - for someone working in a massage shop or a F joint, there aren't a long line of high value Thai men who will pick them as a long term life partner - what more if they are already single mum so they aren't exactly marriage material either and they know it.

And don't think too much about how the girls are feeling - Thais tend to live in the moment, not think too hard about the future and they are super focused in going through life lurching from one crisis to the next. Just enjoy the journey while it lasts, and try not to be too sad when it ends.


Wow, I really appreciate your reply bro. How long did your "relationship" last?

In my case, she really hardly texts me at all. Actually, we don't have much conversation topics at all, she speaks nearly 0 English and obviously me 0 Thai. How about your girl last time, did she speak some English?
It seems that we just enjoy each other's company and we are very affectionate towards each other both outside and in the bedroom, and we do activities together like walking around etc although she actually hates walking haha. She always surprises me with her hidden talents.. like when I brought her bowling and she freaking beat me in the 1st and only game even though it's her first time bowling (she can't be faking this haha, her grip and posture all wrong). And then at the resort I taught her table tennis and she was able to return shots quite consistently within 5 minutes. But I digress.

I agree with you, she probably does have a very pragmatic view of the relationship. She clearly doesn't see me as a BF (or she's waiting for me to say that I would like her to be my GF...), and when she finds someone eventually (quite sure it'd be a Thai person or at least Thai-speaking person), she'll likely cut me off. I guess I have to be prepared for that.

She did ask me about my background, and yeah I told her I'm single and free. But I'm actually married with a child, though I really live like a single person for the most part (leading a double life, yes).
I know I'm morally ambiguous/bad and that's probably why I am not going to blame her if she is also not going to be truthful about what she's doing.

Actually, on the last trip, after this girl went back home on Friday, I happened to get a proper no-nonsense massage at a proper place (those places with lots of tourists and real google reviews) - I was totally not expecting this kind of encounter because I've gotten so many massages at proper places before, and never ever got prepositioned before to meet after the session (but golden Q/HJ/boom-boom at the place itself, obviously very common la as you know).
But somehow this masseuse (quite cute actually) seemed really interested in me (kept giggling etc), asked where I was going/staying, and asked if she could stay with me for the night (not so directly but asked in a roundabout way). We exchanged contacts and she really showed up at my hotel. This is a full story for another day, but in summary, after some quick conversation we started making out heavily in the room, I got a little too heated and wanted to F her but she stopped me - she said she didn't mind giving me a HJ but she didn't want to F on the 1st time as it should not be the way. Not sure why but I rejected her HJ as I originally wanted to go all the way, and her actions gave me the idea that she wanted a good time herself (who the heck would suggest going to your hotel room otherwise? And she wasn't asking for money either).
But anyway after we both calmed down, she said she was really sorry and had to go home as she still had to work the next day, but she promised to stay over the next time if I told her in advance and she would then pack her bag with sleeping clothes etc. I thought that would be the end of it because maybe I was a little too aggressive, but turns out she continued to text me and we're still texting quite a bit now (more than the 1st girl actually). She seems like a fun genuine girl but honestly, all these girls are confusing the hell out of me and I really have no idea if they are playing these games with 5 other guys to see who bites, or if they actually really like me.

Life is so complicated... I feel like maybe I'm not getting enough excitement in my life, that's why I'm letting these things happen to me. :rolleyes:

BTW if anyone is interested in their photos, I'm happy to share here too. Both really look like very decent proper girls. Not super stunning but a bit of the GND look.

[cbk69]

Oh man. I got so bored after my recent business trip that I just texted the 1st girl to go to Phuket next weekend (~5 days), and she just said yes straightaway (this is after we haven't had a single text in a week...)
She's no longer working in a F shop and I guess I believe that, since she can't possibly drop her business just to go somewhere else right? I'm not sure how it works, but usually those girls have to pay the shop if they want to take extra leave?
Also I'm not sure if I read your post right, but your girl was still working in a F shop while you guys were together that few months? If so, I feel that's quite "clear cut", cos in my case I really have no idea what my girl is doing for work (last she just said she was trying out some online clothing business, maybe TikTok), and sometimes I feel like I don't really want to know. But it's nice that she speaks fairly good English. Mine is 0 English lol.

It does feel like I'm slipping dangerously into this so yes, I think I need to be a bit careful.
Again I appreciate your perspectives and wisdom, looks like you've been there seen/done that and whatever you're saying makes a lot of sense.


Mine lasted a few months - it came to a point where I was always looking for a reason to go to BKK. I even switched my business flights to indirect, and chose Thai Airways as a preferred airline so that I can break the journey home with a free stopover on BKK and come back with my balls completely dry. At that stage of my career, I always had a gazillion hotel points from business travel, so the bangkok stopover only made a small dent in my hotel point balance. However, in the end, reality bites - the sex became somewhat routine and I honestly got a bit bored of her.

She spoke fairly good english, and liked to chat with me all day and to me, that was the dangerous part. She was really interested in a relationship. The sexual chemistry between us was electric, once we were out from the F shop and back at the hotel I just couldn't get enough of fucking her juicy pussy and she just loved the feeling of having my cum filling her up. We fucked everywhere - in the shower, on the hotel suite dining table, on the sofa until her juices soaked and stained the seat cushions, and her favourite was fucking doggy over the full-length hotel window overlooking the bangkok skyline. Great memories.

I can understand your natural "suspicion" that your girl will have multiple guys in play at all times. This is probably the easiest emotional state to be in, it helps you cope with the inconvenient truth that she works in a F shop and she will get fucked by some other guy, at some point. As they say, ignorance is bliss. In my view the truth is often much more mundane. Women are generally not wired to play the field, some more if the sex is always raw. I have this theory that sex raw messes up the girls' feelings much more than the guys' so most girls maintain fucking raw with multiple guys (unless you're a porn star)

With regards to your new ML adventure, just have fun while it lasts - you said it yourself, that you are married with a kid so neither one of your adventures can ever have a happy ending. Try to also understand life from the girl's point of view - for someone working in a massage shop or a F joint, there aren't a long line of high value Thai men who will pick them as a long term life partner - what more if they are already single mum so they aren't exactly marriage material either and they know it.

And don't think too much about how the girls are feeling - Thais tend to live in the moment, not think too hard about the future and they are super focused in going through life lurching from one crisis to the next. Just enjoy the journey while it lasts, and try not to be too sad when it ends.

[Penguin23]

Not sure why you are so intensely interested in her job, when she hasn't shown much of an interest in yours.

You hope that she is exclusive with you, when clearly you are not exclusive with her? You know what I'm driving at, and I understand your desire to "possess" this girl

But life from her viewpoint may not be half as complicated as the way you think it. Something along the lines ofm, there is this nice guy in my life, feels good to make love to, knows I am a single mum and seems to enjoy spending time with me despite the language barrier. See how. Something as simple as that.

So, why overcomplicate your life? As I've said before, bro - enjoy it while it lasts.

Oh man. I got so bored after my recent business trip that I just texted the 1st girl to go to Phuket next weekend (~5 days), and she just said yes straightaway (this is after we haven't had a single text in a week...)
She's no longer working in a F shop and I guess I believe that, since she can't possibly drop her business just to go somewhere else right? I'm not sure how it works, but usually those girls have to pay the shop if they want to take extra leave?
Also I'm not sure if I read your post right, but your girl was still working in a F shop while you guys were together that few months? If so, I feel that's quite "clear cut", cos in my case I really have no idea what my girl is doing for work (last she just said she was trying out some online clothing business, maybe TikTok), and sometimes I feel like I don't really want to know. But it's nice that she speaks fairly good English. Mine is 0 English lol.

It does feel like I'm slipping dangerously into this so yes, I think I need to be a bit careful.
Again I appreciate your perspectives and wisdom, looks like you've been there seen/done that and whatever you're saying makes a lot of sense.

[cbk69]

No yeah you're right bro. It could just be as simple as that. I'm likely overthinking it. I also haven't been truthful with her so I shouldn't expect her to be truthful with me as well.
Do you still have any such things going on, or you've stepped out from the scene?

I'll enjoy it while it lasts, going to Phuket with her this weekend!

Not sure why you are so intensely interested in her job, when she hasn't shown much of an interest in yours.

You hope that she is exclusive with you, when clearly you are not exclusive with her? You know what I'm driving at, and I understand your desire to "possess" this girl

But life from her viewpoint may not be half as complicated as the way you think it. Something along the lines ofm, there is this nice guy in my life, feels good to make love to, knows I am a single mum and seems to enjoy spending time with me despite the language barrier. See how. Something as simple as that.

So, why overcomplicate your life? As I've said before, bro - enjoy it while it lasts.

[Josepere]

No yeah you're right bro. It could just be as simple as that. I'm likely overthinking it. I also haven't been truthful with her so I shouldn't expect her to be truthful with me as well.
Do you still have any such things going on, or you've stepped out from the scene?

I'll enjoy it while it lasts, going to Phuket with her this weekend!

Enjoy your trip bro! get a nice villa, fuck by the pool ! Just enjoy!

[Penguin23]

No yeah you're right bro. It could just be as simple as that. I'm likely overthinking it. I also haven't been truthful with her so I shouldn't expect her to be truthful with me as well.
Do you still have any such things going on, or you've stepped out from the scene?

I'll enjoy it while it lasts, going to Phuket with her this weekend!

Enjoy your Phuket fuckfest bro.

Make some memories, when you are older you will likely look back with some bittersweet feelings but you will also think, that the fucks were well worth it.

I rented a pool villa once with this girl, and I taught her how to swim over a few days. There were lots of breaks in between, I would get damn horny seeing her parade all day in swimwear and sometimes, in her birthday suit. I would then proceed to pump her full tank. Always raw, and always CIP.

She will shower, and cuddle me to sleep and give me a wakeup call and a BBBJ + CIM and sometimes CIP as well. We will then call housekeeping because the bedsheet would be stained with pussy juice and cum then proceed again with "swimming lessons". Evenings were mostly cuddling on the hotel sofa/daybed until she is horny enough then it would either be me eating her out till she came or her milking my balls dry.

Great memories.

I stepped out from the scene already, I have a stable 8-year relationship with someone who was also ex-nightlife. I plan to spend more time with my current girl and settle overseas, when my kids are independent.

[cbk69]

Enjoy your trip bro! get a nice villa, fuck by the pool ! Just enjoy!

U damn fierce bro lol.
But I remember we were fooling around in the sea off the resort.. she got me so hard that I couldn't get out of the ocean back to the resort with the bulge in my swimming trunks... had to calm down for like 5 mins first. We laughed like mad haha

[bantomaster]

Wow, I really appreciate your reply bro. How long did your "relationship" last?

In my case, she really hardly texts me at all. Actually, we don't have much conversation topics at all, she speaks nearly 0 English and obviously me 0 Thai. How about your girl last time, did she speak some English?
It seems that we just enjoy each other's company and we are very affectionate towards each other both outside and in the bedroom, and we do activities together like walking around etc although she actually hates walking haha. She always surprises me with her hidden talents.. like when I brought her bowling and she freaking beat me in the 1st and only game even though it's her first time bowling (she can't be faking this haha, her grip and posture all wrong). And then at the resort I taught her table tennis and she was able to return shots quite consistently within 5 minutes. But I digress.

I agree with you, she probably does have a very pragmatic view of the relationship. She clearly doesn't see me as a BF (or she's waiting for me to say that I would like her to be my GF...), and when she finds someone eventually (quite sure it'd be a Thai person or at least Thai-speaking person), she'll likely cut me off. I guess I have to be prepared for that.

She did ask me about my background, and yeah I told her I'm single and free. But I'm actually married with a child, though I really live like a single person for the most part (leading a double life, yes).
I know I'm morally ambiguous/bad and that's probably why I am not going to blame her if she is also not going to be truthful about what she's doing.

Actually, on the last trip, after this girl went back home on Friday, I happened to get a proper no-nonsense massage at a proper place (those places with lots of tourists and real google reviews) - I was totally not expecting this kind of encounter because I've gotten so many massages at proper places before, and never ever got prepositioned before to meet after the session (but golden Q/HJ/boom-boom at the place itself, obviously very common la as you know).
But somehow this masseuse (quite cute actually) seemed really interested in me (kept giggling etc), asked where I was going/staying, and asked if she could stay with me for the night (not so directly but asked in a roundabout way). We exchanged contacts and she really showed up at my hotel. This is a full story for another day, but in summary, after some quick conversation we started making out heavily in the room, I got a little too heated and wanted to F her but she stopped me - she said she didn't mind giving me a HJ but she didn't want to F on the 1st time as it should not be the way. Not sure why but I rejected her HJ as I originally wanted to go all the way, and her actions gave me the idea that she wanted a good time herself (who the heck would suggest going to your hotel room otherwise? And she wasn't asking for money either).
But anyway after we both calmed down, she said she was really sorry and had to go home as she still had to work the next day, but she promised to stay over the next time if I told her in advance and she would then pack her bag with sleeping clothes etc. I thought that would be the end of it because maybe I was a little too aggressive, but turns out she continued to text me and we're still texting quite a bit now (more than the 1st girl actually). She seems like a fun genuine girl but honestly, all these girls are confusing the hell out of me and I really have no idea if they are playing these games with 5 other guys to see who bites, or if they actually really like me.

Life is so complicated... I feel like maybe I'm not getting enough excitement in my life, that's why I'm letting these things happen to me. :rolleyes:

BTW if anyone is interested in their photos, I'm happy to share here too. Both really look like very decent proper girls. Not super stunning but a bit of the GND look.

Inrerested, please share or dm me bro, thanks!

[cbk69]

Wah, your girl has very high drive. I think mine is nowhere near lol. Normally I have to start her engine going.
Yeah these are experiences that are likely hard to get normally.. I get conflicting feelings because it's actually pretty wrong in a way. You mentioned you have kids.. so you are/were married?





Enjoy your Phuket fuckfest bro.

Make some memories, when you are older you will likely look back with some bittersweet feelings but you will also think, that the fucks were well worth it.

I rented a pool villa once with this girl, and I taught her how to swim over a few days. There were lots of breaks in between, I would get damn horny seeing her parade all day in swimwear and sometimes, in her birthday suit. I would then proceed to pump her full tank. Always raw, and always CIP.

She will shower, and cuddle me to sleep and give me a wakeup call and a BBBJ + CIM and sometimes CIP as well. We will then call housekeeping because the bedsheet would be stained with pussy juice and cum then proceed again with "swimming lessons". Evenings were mostly cuddling on the hotel sofa/daybed until she is horny enough then it would either be me eating her out till she came or her milking my balls dry.

Great memories.

I stepped out from the scene already, I have a stable 8-year relationship with someone who was also ex-nightlife. I plan to spend more time with my current girl and settle overseas, when my kids are independent.

[cbk69]

Inrerested, please share or dm me bro, thanks!

https://i.imgur.com/1nxaoGw.png

This is the 1st girl..

[Penguin23]

Wah, your girl has very high drive. I think mine is nowhere near lol. Normally I have to start her engine going.
Yeah these are experiences that are likely hard to get normally.. I get conflicting feelings because it's actually pretty wrong in a way. You mentioned you have kids.. so you are/were married?

I was married for 15 years, I am divorced and I have care and control of my 2 kids.

Yeah you are definitely playing her, but she's probably not stupid enough to think that you are single. Enjoy while it lasts bro. Many guys will say, don't ask don't tell. I have never been good at playing the field and fortunately I no longer need to.

[cbk69]

I was married for 15 years, I am divorced and I have care and control of my 2 kids.

Yeah you are definitely playing her, but she's probably not stupid enough to think that you are single. Enjoy while it lasts bro. Many guys will say, don't ask don't tell. I have never been good at playing the field and fortunately I no longer need to.

I see. Thanks for sharing. I'm not sure when I will stop my nonsense. What made you finally stop playing the field, if you don't mind me asking? I think I have something to learn from you.

And yeah, she did ask if I have a wife and kid last time (maybe a few times), and she clearly didn't buy it when I said I was single. She even said it's ok for me to say the truth.
Anyway, since she doesn't mind either way and she really doesn't ask much about my background, I guess I will keep it this way for now. On my way to meet her now!

[LauAdi]

Remember to keep your identity hidden from her
No kc
No std

[Penguin23]

I see. Thanks for sharing. I'm not sure when I will stop my nonsense. What made you finally stop playing the field, if you don't mind me asking? I think I have something to learn from you.

And yeah, she did ask if I have a wife and kid last time (maybe a few times), and she clearly didn't buy it when I said I was single. She even said it's ok for me to say the truth.
Anyway, since she doesn't mind either way and she really doesn't ask much about my background, I guess I will keep it this way for now. On my way to meet her now!

There usually comes a point in time, when the quality of a fuck matters so much more than the sheer quantity. I have some chiongster friends who are "forever young" always chasing pussy that are barely legal but I think, for most guys, we all lose the ability and desire to cum repeatedly into different pussies. We just want great sex, regularly and one that is alwsys delivered with real emotions.

The day you come to this realisation, is the day you evolve and seek stability above adventure and sheer quantity.

Maybe I can suggest, try being honest with your girl about your status. Apologise to her and see how she takes the news. If she accepts your apology, watch how the sex evolves. My guess is that it will become better, the kind of sex no amount of money can buy. Some ladies have simply given up on finding a marriageable guy, all they want is someone who loves them even though they know you cannot be theirs alone.

If your girl leaves after you tell her the truth, well you at least know what she was hoping for all along..

[jiandaofan]

I was married for 15 years, I am divorced and I have care and control of my 2 kids.

Yeah you are definitely playing her, but she's probably not stupid enough to think that you are single. Enjoy while it lasts bro. Many guys will say, don't ask don't tell. I have never been good at playing the field and fortunately I no longer need to.

Been following your post, thank you for sharing bro.

[cbk69]

Thanks again for sharing your experience bro.
I just returned from the Phuket trip with her and it was great - just a lovely time spent together exploring places, eating at different places and the usual morning and night aerobics. But I didn't build up the courage to tell her the truth.. I don't know if our sex can get any better to be honest, but I really didn't want to rock the boat. As usual though we seemed to have a "don't ask don't tell" approach to our current lives. I suspect at some point we might get bored of each other I guess, if this continues to go on in its current mode without any new developments or plans. It's the first time im in this situation so I'm not sure as well.



There usually comes a point in time, when the quality of a fuck matters so much more than the sheer quantity. I have some chiongster friends who are "forever young" always chasing pussy that are barely legal but I think, for most guys, we all lose the ability and desire to cum repeatedly into different pussies. We just want great sex, regularly and one that is alwsys delivered with real emotions.

The day you come to this realisation, is the day you evolve and seek stability above adventure and sheer quantity.

Maybe I can suggest, try being honest with your girl about your status. Apologise to her and see how she takes the news. If she accepts your apology, watch how the sex evolves. My guess is that it will become better, the kind of sex no amount of money can buy. Some ladies have simply given up on finding a marriageable guy, all they want is someone who loves them even though they know you cannot be theirs alone.

If your girl leaves after you tell her the truth, well you at least know what she was hoping for all along..

[BroRelax]

There usually comes a point in time, when the quality of a fuck matters so much more than the sheer quantity. I have some chiongster friends who are "forever young" always chasing pussy that are barely legal but I think, for most guys, we all lose the ability and desire to cum repeatedly into different pussies. We just want great sex, regularly and one that is alwsys delivered with real emotions.

The day you come to this realisation, is the day you evolve and seek stability above adventure and sheer quantity.

Maybe I can suggest, try being honest with your girl about your status. Apologise to her and see how she takes the news. If she accepts your apology, watch how the sex evolves. My guess is that it will become better, the kind of sex no amount of money can buy. Some ladies have simply given up on finding a marriageable guy, all they want is someone who loves them even though they know you cannot be theirs alone.

If your girl leaves after you tell her the truth, well you at least know what she was hoping for all along..

Have to be very careful. What if she suddenly use a pair of scissors and cut away your penis at night when you were sound asleep?? Better be careful my friend.

[Penguin23]

Have to be very careful. What if she suddenly use a pair of scissors and cut away your penis at night when you were sound asleep?? Better be careful my friend.

This is why I advocate being honest, in all those stories where the guy loses his kkj, the girl always finds our from someone else

OP also runs the risk of being found out by both sides, not a great outcome no matter how small the risk is. When you are young, running this kind of risk seems exciting but when you get a bit older this kind of drama is simply unnecessary excitement.

[mario11soto22]

Have to be very careful. What if she suddenly use a pair of scissors and cut away your penis at night when you were sound asleep?? Better be careful my friend.

cut liao feed to the ducks..

seems like everyone has heart of these stories!

the worse i heard was they use the jaggard edges of the condense milk tin ( if u use the hand opener) to cut, like that cannot sew back!

[BroRelax]

cut liao feed to the ducks..

seems like everyone has heart of these stories!

the worse i heard was they use the jaggard edges of the condense milk tin ( if u use the hand opener) to cut, like that cannot sew back!

Suddenly my kkj shrink sia! 🤣

[cbk69]

Bros, you guys suddenly scaring me man.
However she has been totally non-clingy since day 1 - we hardly text at all after we left each other at the airport. So I think she also treats me as a holiday bf and that's it.....?
It's quite amazing haha, we are super lovey dovey when together but it's like we don't know each other once apart. I guess maybe it's also not a bad thing?

[mario11soto22]

Suddenly my kkj shrink sia! 🤣

since young my mother always warn me about thai wives. when they love you, they really love you. when u mess with them, u are finished..hahaha

[Ket54]

Bros, you guys suddenly scaring me man.
However she has been totally non-clingy since day 1 - we hardly text at all after we left each other at the airport. So I think she also treats me as a holiday bf and that's it.....?
It's quite amazing haha, we are super lovey dovey when together but it's like we don't know each other once apart. I guess maybe it's also not a bad thing?

Maybe she also don't want to tied down to a permanent thing (after how the first partner literally ended) and just wants to have your company (you must have met her need for someone she feels comfortable with), not all girls are clingy to their 'companion' all the time and they want their own alone-time too. I know Thai girls who are really comfortable and content just being by themselves and not looking. 'Have good, don't have also good' type. Enjoy your time with her when you can.. she's quite pretty and good thing the sex is enjoyable. Keep it light and don't overthink bro

[cbk69]

Thanks for the insights bro. Indeed after I think about it, I feel she may be exactly what you said - keeping it fun, non-committal.

I made another trip to BKK this week as I had some time on my hands and was bored.
The 2nd girl came to my room the first night and we had sex once before dinner, and once after.. Could tell she enjoys sex quite a lot as she gets turned on easily when I lick her nipples (actually this seems to be true for majority of the girls out there), and she came quite a few times. However it seems she is looking for something more serious in a relationship, and something I said during dinner made her feel that we couldn't continue this, so she cut it off after the first night and she said we could remain as good friends. Fine. Her massage techniques are next level though. I've done a ton of massages and she easily ranks among the best in terms of strength and technique, as she took her massage course at Wat Pho.

I then reached out to the 1st girl and told her I was in BKK for a last min work trip, and she bought it (well not really heh, she obviously had her suspicions but didn't push). I wasn't planning on meeting her this trip as it had only been about 10 days since our Phuket trip. We ended up spending the next 4 nights together and we had a really good time as usual. I think I have a much higher sex drive than her though as she only wants to have sex once at night when we get back to the hotel, and she is afraid of getting turned on at other times outside of that haha (licking her nipples and frenching her drives her crazy and really turns her on).. With the flooding and rain these few days I was really happy that she still braved the trouble to meet me. On the last day she even walked a very long way with me to get my luggage from a locker before I left for the airport, even though she doesn't like walking at all (seems to be true for many Thai girls at least those I've met, they'd rather take a grab bike even for relatively short distances hmm).

I learnt that her family has a small rubber plantation (about 1000 trees) and that she was trying to hire Laos workers but it has been proving difficult. And she was open with me that she does Botox every 3 months.. she's only 33. Anyway, with her large expenses spent on maintaining herself (and she's staying in a condo - albeit sharing a 2 or 3 BR apartment with a friend), I guess she must really be freelancing and/or she has some sponsor, but I try not to think about that too much...she is quite pretty in my eyes though, should not have issues getting a sponsor or having a steady stream of clients. But she is so polite, nice and everything, that I always have some sort of cognitive dissonance when I think about what she used to do (and is probably still doing it now as freelance). To date she still has not brought up money or her expenses at all with me though.

Sorry that this has sort of become a journal, I really have no one else to share this with as I'm sort of leading a double life..


Maybe she also don't want to tied down to a permanent thing (after how the first partner literally ended) and just wants to have your company (you must have met her need for someone she feels comfortable with), not all girls are clingy to their 'companion' all the time and they want their own alone-time too. I know Thai girls who are really comfortable and content just being by themselves and not looking. 'Have good, don't have also good' type. Enjoy your time with her when you can.. she's quite pretty and good thing the sex is enjoyable. Keep it light and don't overthink bro

[jiandaofan]

Thanks for the insights bro. Indeed after I think about it, I feel she may be exactly what you said - keeping it fun, non-committal.

I made another trip to BKK this week as I had some time on my hands and was bored.
The 2nd girl came to my room the first night and we had sex once before dinner, and once after.. Could tell she enjoys sex quite a lot as she gets turned on easily when I lick her nipples (actually this seems to be true for majority of the girls out there), and she came quite a few times. However it seems she is looking for something more serious in a relationship, and something I said during dinner made her feel that we couldn't continue this, so she cut it off after the first night and she said we could remain as good friends. Fine. Her massage techniques are next level though. I've done a ton of massages and she easily ranks among the best in terms of strength and technique, as she took her massage course at Wat Pho.

I then reached out to the 1st girl and told her I was in BKK for a last min work trip, and she bought it (well not really heh, she obviously had her suspicions but didn't push). I wasn't planning on meeting her this trip as it had only been about 10 days since our Phuket trip. We ended up spending the next 4 nights together and we had a really good time as usual. I think I have a much higher sex drive than her though as she only wants to have sex once at night when we get back to the hotel, and she is afraid of getting turned on at other times outside of that haha (licking her nipples and frenching her drives her crazy and really turns her on).. With the flooding and rain these few days I was really happy that she still braved the trouble to meet me. On the last day she even walked a very long way with me to get my luggage from a locker before I left for the airport, even though she doesn't like walking at all (seems to be true for many Thai girls at least those I've met, they'd rather take a grab bike even for relatively short distances hmm).

I learnt that her family has a small rubber plantation (about 1000 trees) and that she was trying to hire Laos workers but it has been proving difficult. And she was open with me that she does Botox every 3 months.. she's only 33. Anyway, with her large expenses spent on maintaining herself (and she's staying in a condo - albeit sharing a 2 or 3 BR apartment with a friend), I guess she must really be freelancing and/or she has some sponsor, but I try not to think about that too much...she is quite pretty in my eyes though, should not have issues getting a sponsor or having a steady stream of clients. But she is so polite, nice and everything, that I always have some sort of cognitive dissonance when I think about what she used to do (and is probably still doing it now as freelance). To date she still has not brought up money or her expenses at all with me though.

Sorry that this has sort of become a journal, I really have no one else to share this with as I'm sort of leading a double life..

Thanks for sharing bro, keep on updating!

these are the small updates i look forward to reading at night before i sleep!

envious of your sex trip!

[cumranger69]

Chance into this thread and I will say Penguin gives great advice in this issue.

Be open with her when the time comes. U will see a shift in the relationship dynamics.

[Penguin23]

Thanks for the insights bro. Indeed after I think about it, I feel she may be exactly what you said - keeping it fun, non-committal.

I made another trip to BKK this week as I had some time on my hands and was bored.
The 2nd girl came to my room the first night and we had sex once before dinner, and once after.. Could tell she enjoys sex quite a lot as she gets turned on easily when I lick her nipples (actually this seems to be true for majority of the girls out there), and she came quite a few times. However it seems she is looking for something more serious in a relationship, and something I said during dinner made her feel that we couldn't continue this, so she cut it off after the first night and she said we could remain as good friends. Fine. Her massage techniques are next level though. I've done a ton of massages and she easily ranks among the best in terms of strength and technique, as she took her massage course at Wat Pho.

I then reached out to the 1st girl and told her I was in BKK for a last min work trip, and she bought it (well not really heh, she obviously had her suspicions but didn't push). I wasn't planning on meeting her this trip as it had only been about 10 days since our Phuket trip. We ended up spending the next 4 nights together and we had a really good time as usual. I think I have a much higher sex drive than her though as she only wants to have sex once at night when we get back to the hotel, and she is afraid of getting turned on at other times outside of that haha (licking her nipples and frenching her drives her crazy and really turns her on).. With the flooding and rain these few days I was really happy that she still braved the trouble to meet me. On the last day she even walked a very long way with me to get my luggage from a locker before I left for the airport, even though she doesn't like walking at all (seems to be true for many Thai girls at least those I've met, they'd rather take a grab bike even for relatively short distances hmm).

I learnt that her family has a small rubber plantation (about 1000 trees) and that she was trying to hire Laos workers but it has been proving difficult. And she was open with me that she does Botox every 3 months.. she's only 33. Anyway, with her large expenses spent on maintaining herself (and she's staying in a condo - albeit sharing a 2 or 3 BR apartment with a friend), I guess she must really be freelancing and/or she has some sponsor, but I try not to think about that too much...she is quite pretty in my eyes though, should not have issues getting a sponsor or having a steady stream of clients. But she is so polite, nice and everything, that I always have some sort of cognitive dissonance when I think about what she used to do (and is probably still doing it now as freelance). To date she still has not brought up money or her expenses at all with me though.

Sorry that this has sort of become a journal, I really have no one else to share this with as I'm sort of leading a double life..

The way we communicate are driven by our primary language (the language that we think in).

I used to have a Thai boss, and I have been involved with Thai ladies before in addition to Viet and obviously PRC ladies as well. Thai and VN languages are what you call high-context languages, in the sense that the context behind the message matters so much more than the content. English is a low-context language, communications thrive on precision and clear communication. To a Thai or a Viet, doing the same thing (in their native language) is a sign of rudeness or anger. This is the crux of a lot of misunderstandings between SG-Thai/VN couples, and also the reason why so much can be lost in translation (when messaging) leading to misunderstandings.

In bringing up the rubber plantation, she may be signaling her intention of letting you know her family background, and implicitly, if you are willing to share a little bit about your own. Telling you a bit about her background, may well be her cue in letting you know a bit about her finances. A Thai person can make an educated guess what a 1000-tree plantation brings in, depending on how old the trees are and consequently, how much this helps to provide for her family.

My guess is that your girl is actually not lacking in terms of finances, but probably wants a "safety cushion" hence she looks for FL opportunities. She may be quite selective in her client base, and given her age she probably isn't hungry for a lot of new business but rather looking for something longer term and hopefully, something semi-permanent.

I think it is a very positive sign that she responds to your last-minute invitation, better still that she stays with you all the way till you have to leave
If you miss this cue, watch how conversations with her in the future develop. As I have said before, enjoy the time you have, try not to think too much about what she does (and who she is fucking) when you are not with her. Since you are in no position to offer her a semi-permanent arrangement, it is best that you telll yourself, that this encounter will one day come to an end.

[cbk69]

Hey bro thanks for sharing, I always look forward to your insightful posts.

Interesting, I have read before about the context stuff, but it didn't occur to me until now.
However, she didn't bring up the rubber plantation thing herself, it was something that I asked about as a casual conversation topic. I don't know how big or small a 1000-tree plantation is (obviously lol - a clueless city guy), but it does seem small as what she said, so probably her family isn't making that much at the moment (though she did say rubber prices went up quite a bit recently so things are pretty OK).
But I know her family background is not that poor, because I've seen photos (and videos of her house as well, when she was doing video chat with her mom/relatives), and her family has a couple of pets too.
She was very entrepreneurial when she was in her early/mid 20s too, she had as many as 3 shops (a mookrata shop, a clothing shop and something else), but it folded due to Covid and her over-stretching. And I also learnt this time (quite surprised honestly) that she has a degree in accountancy from a uni in Udon Thani, though she only worked in a company for 3 months before calling it quits.

What she probably understands about me is, I fly around for work (and play) very frequently and I have a free and easy lifestyle, barely spending time in SG. Which is kind of true as my wife does not bother where I go, I lead a single's lifestyle essentially. Sometimes she pokes fun at me and slaps my arm playfully saying "I know.. you go massage blah blah", but TBH I doubt that was a real joke by her, I'm sure she knows I F around since after all I actually did find her in that F shop that I mentioned before. But of course I never tell her that. It feels like we're probably each just choosing to ignore certain "unpleasant" things that we both know deep down, must be happening.

Yeah I was really thankful (and also a little amazed) that she spent 4 nights with me (and large chunks of certain days), and this was literally last minute (as in, I texted her when I was already in my hotel room, and lol this time I actually stay pretty far from where she's living (in Sukhumvit). TBH if she said she was busy I would have totally understood it, and I was actually expecting that too. Yet whenever I ask if she is busy, she always says she is "free for me" - sounds like just Thai niceties but surprisingly she has kept to her word most if not all the time.

The one thing I can't wrap my mind around is that (if I'm not wrong) she used to work in those F shops (for about 4 years in Korea before she got deported), and then in a BKK F shop for about a year - surely they can't choose their clients there. I don't know if they make much but there are so many F shops around there that I doubt they make much at all.
I always had the impression that these F shops are for girls who are more desperate for money, because honestly if say someone physically repulsive shows up and chooses her, they also can't say no (this is the part that is quite horrifying for me to be honest, if I'm a girl, how would I feel if I had to service someone that I find repulsive.... I know maybe they just shut their mind off but it's still something I can't wrap my head around.)

BTW, that part of her background (the 4 years in Korea) was something she shared when we were both lying in bed in the F shop a year ago - at that time I guess I saw her as a standard massage girl (with super high GFE lol) and she saw me as a standard client, so it felt fine to dig into that part of her background. However ever since she left that shop, we have never talked about it anymore and I actively try to avoid the topic too, because it just doesn't feel right to talk about it anymore.

And yeah. I know this must come to an end eventually. I am actually not a sentimental guy so if things come to an end, I might feel sad for a day and that's it (though I might go on a revenge spree and find a replacement - don't know).
And to be brutally frank, one of the main reasons I like having her is that the sex with her is by far the best I've ever had, it's so passionate and raw that I think it would be hard for me to find that anywhere else, and when we sleep together naked and hugging each other, the sense of warmth and comfort is just something out of this world. But because she's so polite to everyone and so considerate for me when we're out (always checking if I'm OK etc, never makes any food requests and leaves it 100% to me, walks with me for super long distances even though she definitely does NOT like walking), I feel like she's such a gem that's hard to come by. If we ever part ways, I sincerely hope she finds a good husband who can really treat her the way she deserves to be treated.

The way we communicate are driven by our primary language (the language that we think in).

I used to have a Thai boss, and I have been involved with Thai ladies before in addition to Viet and obviously PRC ladies as well. Thai and VN languages are what you call high-context languages, in the sense that the context behind the message matters so much more than the content. English is a low-context language, communications thrive on precision and clear communication. To a Thai or a Viet, doing the same thing (in their native language) is a sign of rudeness or anger. This is the crux of a lot of misunderstandings between SG-Thai/VN couples, and also the reason why so much can be lost in translation (when messaging) leading to misunderstandings.

In bringing up the rubber plantation, she may be signaling her intention of letting you know her family background, and implicitly, if you are willing to share a little bit about your own. Telling you a bit about her background, may well be her cue in letting you know a bit about her finances. A Thai person can make an educated guess what a 1000-tree plantation brings in, depending on how old the trees are and consequently, how much this helps to provide for her family.

My guess is that your girl is actually not lacking in terms of finances, but probably wants a "safety cushion" hence she looks for FL opportunities. She may be quite selective in her client base, and given her age she probably isn't hungry for a lot of new business but rather looking for something longer term and hopefully, something semi-permanent.

I think it is a very positive sign that she responds to your last-minute invitation, better still that she stays with you all the way till you have to leave
If you miss this cue, watch how conversations with her in the future develop. As I have said before, enjoy the time you have, try not to think too much about what she does (and who she is fucking) when you are not with her. Since you are in no position to offer her a semi-permanent arrangement, it is best that you telll yourself, that this encounter will one day come to an end.

[Penguin23]

Hey bro thanks for sharing, I always look forward to your insightful posts.

Interesting, I have read before about the context stuff, but it didn't occur to me until now.
However, she didn't bring up the rubber plantation thing herself, it was something that I asked about as a casual conversation topic. I don't know how big or small a 1000-tree plantation is (obviously lol - a clueless city guy), but it does seem small as what she said, so probably her family isn't making that much at the moment (though she did say rubber prices went up quite a bit recently so things are pretty OK).
But I know her family background is not that poor, because I've seen photos (and videos of her house as well, when she was doing video chat with her mom/relatives), and her family has a couple of pets too.
She was very entrepreneurial when she was in her early/mid 20s too, she had as many as 3 shops (a mookrata shop, a clothing shop and something else), but it folded due to Covid and her over-stretching. And I also learnt this time (quite surprised honestly) that she has a degree in accountancy from a uni in Udon Thani, though she only worked in a company for 3 months before calling it quits.

What she probably understands about me is, I fly around for work (and play) very frequently and I have a free and easy lifestyle, barely spending time in SG. Which is kind of true as my wife does not bother where I go, I lead a single's lifestyle essentially. Sometimes she pokes fun at me and slaps my arm playfully saying "I know.. you go massage blah blah", but TBH I doubt that was a real joke by her, I'm sure she knows I F around since after all I actually did find her in that F shop that I mentioned before. But of course I never tell her that. It feels like we're probably each just choosing to ignore certain "unpleasant" things that we both know deep down, must be happening.

Yeah I was really thankful (and also a little amazed) that she spent 4 nights with me (and large chunks of certain days), and this was literally last minute (as in, I texted her when I was already in my hotel room, and lol this time I actually stay pretty far from where she's living (in Sukhumvit). TBH if she said she was busy I would have totally understood it, and I was actually expecting that too. Yet whenever I ask if she is busy, she always says she is "free for me" - sounds like just Thai niceties but surprisingly she has kept to her word most if not all the time.

The one thing I can't wrap my mind around is that (if I'm not wrong) she used to work in those F shops (for about 4 years in Korea before she got deported), and then in a BKK F shop for about a year - surely they can't choose their clients there. I don't know if they make much but there are so many F shops around there that I doubt they make much at all.
I always had the impression that these F shops are for girls who are more desperate for money, because honestly if say someone physically repulsive shows up and chooses her, they also can't say no (this is the part that is quite horrifying for me to be honest, if I'm a girl, how would I feel if I had to service someone that I find repulsive.... I know maybe they just shut their mind off but it's still something I can't wrap my head around.)

BTW, that part of her background (the 4 years in Korea) was something she shared when we were both lying in bed in the F shop a year ago - at that time I guess I saw her as a standard massage girl (with super high GFE lol) and she saw me as a standard client, so it felt fine to dig into that part of her background. However ever since she left that shop, we have never talked about it anymore and I actively try to avoid the topic too, because it just doesn't feel right to talk about it anymore.

And yeah. I know this must come to an end eventually. I am actually not a sentimental guy so if things come to an end, I might feel sad for a day and that's it (though I might go on a revenge spree and find a replacement - don't know).
And to be brutally frank, one of the main reasons I like having her is that the sex with her is by far the best I've ever had, it's so passionate and raw that I think it would be hard for me to find that anywhere else, and when we sleep together naked and hugging each other, the sense of warmth and comfort is just something out of this world. But because she's so polite to everyone and so considerate for me when we're out (always checking if I'm OK etc, never makes any food requests and leaves it 100% to me, walks with me for super long distances even though she definitely does NOT like walking), I feel like she's such a gem that's hard to come by. If we ever part ways, I sincerely hope she finds a good husband who can really treat her the way she deserves to be treated.

I can tell that your mind keeps circling back to the period where she works in F shops. You should ask her about it one day, see if she is open enough to tell you. She didn't bother to hide that part of her history, I don't think she would hide the reason(s) why she had to do it. If this is something that's on your mind, you should ask her about it the next time you see her.

If she is the eldest in the family, she would have had some responsibility for family finances, so her work stint would have probably coincided with her business closures during Covid and needing to pay debts, recapitalize the family farm and also for her own financial obligations - she would have needed to financially support her kid for all this time.

You may have read about the Thai concept of Bun Khun - essentially she owes an unpayable debt to her parents, so working in an F shop to help her family is a very common thing. It is tragic when you see a girl in the sex trade, to "help" the parents out of a financial hole which they got into through gambling addiction, or to pay mind boggling sums to temple mediums for "blessings". If her family has neither, then she is really lucky.

You also mentioned that she doesn't go for luxury items, so she's not the kind who works in an F shop to buy the latest iPhone or to add to her collection of luxury handbags. That's another good sign. It is also good that she doesn't demand or hanker for a luxurious life - though her entrepreneurial past will mean that one day she will surely bring up the idea of starting another business.

Just my collection of random thoughts.

[cbk69]

She is indeed the eldest in the family. She has a brother who recently started working, and she always jokes that she hopes she doesn't get any message from the brother haha (because it's usually trouble). The interesting thing is, I don't know if her family knows what she does/did for a living, because everything else about her is so "normal" - and her mom even comes to BKK once in a while (maybe every 4-6 months or so) to visit her.

Yeah, like I mentioned before, she didn't hide that part of her history because she told it to me while we were in the F shop a year ago. I guess at that time, she probably saw me as a customer and I saw her as a WL. We have not talked about it anymore ever since our relationship changed after she left the shop. Actually, I remember that on the day that she told me she was leaving (quitting) the shop, I happened to be in BKK that day and we were supposed to meet, but she said she had to meet the day after instead because she had to sort things out with the shop. When we met, I asked her if everything was okay, and she said yes, and she said she would try selling clothes online instead.

And yes I did come across the concept of Bun Khun while reading reddit. It is tragic, no doubt. Something that us outsiders find very hard to understand, that a girl has to go through that just for the family. But in her case, as you had probably deduced correctly, her family probably doesn't need that much support from her.

I don't know when's the right time to bring up the subject of her past (working in F shops) again, but yes you're right that it is a nagging thing in my mind. I'll think on this one.

To be very honest, I'm also very conflicted myself as I shouldn't even be doing this while I'm married, but yeah that's something I hope I can sort out eventually. Bros like you who eventually settled and not F-ing around anymore, I really respect it as I don't know how or when I'll get there.




I can tell that your mind keeps circling back to the period where she works in F shops. You should ask her about it one day, see if she is open enough to tell you. She didn't bother to hide that part of her history, I don't think she would hide the reason(s) why she had to do it. If this is something that's on your mind, you should ask her about it the next time you see her.

If she is the eldest in the family, she would have had some responsibility for family finances, so her work stint would have probably coincided with her business closures during Covid and needing to pay debts, recapitalize the family farm and also for her own financial obligations - she would have needed to financially support her kid for all this time.

You may have read about the Thai concept of Bun Khun - essentially she owes an unpayable debt to her parents, so working in an F shop to help her family is a very common thing. It is tragic when you see a girl in the sex trade, to "help" the parents out of a financial hole which they got into through gambling addiction, or to pay mind boggling sums to temple mediums for "blessings". If her family has neither, then she is really lucky.

You also mentioned that she doesn't go for luxury items, so she's not the kind who works in an F shop to buy the latest iPhone or to add to her collection of luxury handbags. That's another good sign. It is also good that she doesn't demand or hanker for a luxurious life - though her entrepreneurial past will mean that one day she will surely bring up the idea of starting another business.

Just my collection of random thoughts.

[Penguin23]

She is indeed the eldest in the family. She has a brother who recently started working, and she always jokes that she hopes she doesn't get any message from the brother haha (because it's usually trouble). The interesting thing is, I don't know if her family knows what she does/did for a living, because everything else about her is so "normal" - and her mom even comes to BKK once in a while (maybe every 4-6 months or so) to visit her.

Yeah, like I mentioned before, she didn't hide that part of her history because she told it to me while we were in the F shop a year ago. I guess at that time, she probably saw me as a customer and I saw her as a WL. We have not talked about it anymore ever since our relationship changed after she left the shop. Actually, I remember that on the day that she told me she was leaving (quitting) the shop, I happened to be in BKK that day and we were supposed to meet, but she said she had to meet the day after instead because she had to sort things out with the shop. When we met, I asked her if everything was okay, and she said yes, and she said she would try selling clothes online instead.

And yes I did come across the concept of Bun Khun while reading reddit. It is tragic, no doubt. Something that us outsiders find very hard to understand, that a girl has to go through that just for the family. But in her case, as you had probably deduced correctly, her family probably doesn't need that much support from her.

I don't know when's the right time to bring up the subject of her past (working in F shops) again, but yes you're right that it is a nagging thing in my mind. I'll think on this one.

To be very honest, I'm also very conflicted myself as I shouldn't even be doing this while I'm married, but yeah that's something I hope I can sort out eventually. Bros like you who eventually settled and not F-ing around anymore, I really respect it as I don't know how or when I'll get there.

Her family can probably guess what she did to earn so much money in a short time, but like most Thai families they will never bring up the subject.

I sort of guessed that your lady is the eldest in the family, judging by the way she so casually shoulders the burdens of the other family members.

A girl doing nightlife to fulfil her obligations under Bun Khun, feels nothing in terms of how "unclean" the work may seem to others. By entering the trade she has already made an explicit choice - those who can accept that part of her history, can stay. Those who cannot, can go. The past cannot be changed, the money she earned from F shops probably has already been spent and to her the sacrifice was well worth it so there is nothing really for her to account for. You may want to dwell on that a little, because the context (on how you bring up the subject with her) will mean a lot.

Something that may help you frame your thoughts - given the current situation, I think it is very likely that you will see her again. You can bring up the subject of her wishes for the future, to get some insight on how she thinks. She sounds quite sensible, so she would have given this matter some thought. As I said before, it is not often that a single mother from Isaan gets to meet a guy who she really enjoys being with, she probably wants to ask you so many questions but she's probably afraid to ask. I do not think that she is looking for a long-term commitment, but it will be really interesting to see what she is really thinking of.

As always, I think that she is also looking for some honesty so think about that as well. This is a difficult topic and full of cultural overtones, but Thais/Viets stretch the concept of a "white lie" in ways beyond what any SG guy would deem reasonable. My own realization, came only when my girl asked me to see a super box-office hit VN movie with her (it was showing in Singapore) - Bo Gia - literally, Old Father. The dynamics in that Viet movie made me appreciate the complexities of VN relationships a lot more, literally every family member was keeping secrets from the other family members. Thais are very culturally similar (they are a lot more friendly than Viets, in my opinion)

[cbk69]

Actually, I did ask her about her future and what she wants to do. She said she had no idea, no aim at the moment, but she will stay in Bangkok for the foreseeable future as she likes it here vs Udon.
Maybe her business failures in the past broke her in some way, I'm not sure. So I also didn't probe further. I don't think her online clothes business is going anywhere since she hasn't brought it up, and she also just says it is "okay" when I ask.

Once in a while I try to poke indirectly by asking what she is doing "the next day" on the previous night, or if she has "work", but I didn't really dare to ask what work she is doing. Sometimes she will say yes she has work, sometimes she will say she is free at 7pm or 8pm (for the recent trip, on 2 of the days (out of 3 days) she was free at 7pm onwards, and one of the days it was raining/flooding so she waited till the rain stopped at 6pm before meeting me). Feels like if she is freelancing, I'm probably taking away the most lucrative hours of her day)? Not sure.

Btw I think she told me that she had a BF in Korea in the past, but it had to end after she got deported. We didn't go deep into this part, she (obviously) didn't wish to talk about it too much.
Oh there was once during a drinking session (but she doesn't drink much - I'm the one getting her to drink lol) in our room where she also said she sees a "doctor" (I'm guessing a psychiatrist?) once in a long while when she has insomnia or when she needs someone to talk about her problem. But she never went deep into it and we never talked about it since, and she's the one pointing out to me whenever I looked "sad" (actually I'm just thinking about my work schedule sometimes lol), she's always the more cheerful one haha.

All in all it feels like she actually isn't very keen to share about herself for some reason, yet she also doesn't want to dig too much about me as well. I don't know how long she would continue in this current mode in our "relationship" even if I'm personally happy with this arrangement for now.

[kitsura]

Just do a search on YouTube of all the farang getting scammed by Isan girls. You erect cock will quickly turn soft, trust me!

[kitsura]

The way we communicate are driven by our primary language (the language that we think in).

I used to have a Thai boss, and I have been involved with Thai ladies before in addition to Viet and obviously PRC ladies as well. Thai and VN languages are what you call high-context languages, in the sense that the context behind the message matters so much more than the content. English is a low-context language, communications thrive on precision and clear communication. To a Thai or a Viet, doing the same thing (in their native language) is a sign of rudeness or anger. This is the crux of a lot of misunderstandings between SG-Thai/VN couples, and also the reason why so much can be lost in translation (when messaging) leading to misunderstandings.

In bringing up the rubber plantation, she may be signaling her intention of letting you know her family background, and implicitly, if you are willing to share a little bit about your own. Telling you a bit about her background, may well be her cue in letting you know a bit about her finances. A Thai person can make an educated guess what a 1000-tree plantation brings in, depending on how old the trees are and consequently, how much this helps to provide for her family.

My guess is that your girl is actually not lacking in terms of finances, but probably wants a "safety cushion" hence she looks for FL opportunities. She may be quite selective in her client base, and given her age she probably isn't hungry for a lot of new business but rather looking for something longer term and hopefully, something semi-permanent.

I think it is a very positive sign that she responds to your last-minute invitation, better still that she stays with you all the way till you have to leave
If you miss this cue, watch how conversations with her in the future develop. As I have said before, enjoy the time you have, try not to think too much about what she does (and who she is fucking) when you are not with her. Since you are in no position to offer her a semi-permanent arrangement, it is best that you telll yourself, that this encounter will one day come to an end.
TIL, I didn't know much about Thai/VN since I never studied those languages. However I am fluent in Japanese and learning Korean both of which are very high context languages which requires you to read the room or air! If I ever get a Thai gf I know how to respond now.

[dman19]

This is going to be long, so it's only for those who have the time to read :)

see if anyone had a similar experience to share, or comments and questions are welcome too.

Was a good read, and relatable. Mine was in China and I go there really frequently, she was mid-twenties (totally my type of looks) having a stable job and doing freelance companionship when I first met her. And it lasted for a few years until last year. This year she just turned 30.

The sex started actually only after a year knowing her, and about 6 months later it we did it raw and never looked back. Best sex of my life, we were doing it like 3-4 times every night when we spent the whole night together and like what bro Penguin said, these are the times you look back and felt that you have lived it. I never CIP her, didn't want to risk it. Ironically on one of our last few fucks, she actually requested I wear a CD and of course I shot inside, but it broke. She was so worried and kept saying like "Don't you know it broke when you were doing it?" like how would I know in the moment. And she rushed to get a morning after pill.

Anyways it went downhill from there, met and did a few times raw and the sex was good but the feeling kinda didn't felt the same anymore... I guess for both parties. A few occasions when I asked her out and she couldn't make time so I assumed she have a life and moved on and didn't meet henceforth. Honestly happy for her so nowadays we only text on special occasions like birthdays or major holidays.

I have regressed in the area of sexual activity quite a lot as I am by nature not a person who have a high sex drive and I do find it a bit hard to move on from her as it is almost impossible to find someone who can give me that kind of quality of sex. Not that I have given up but I have been sparingly trying to venture with different girls but so far not much joy. well.... it is what it is

[cbk69]

Thanks for sharing your story bro, it's nice to see more bros coming forward to share their experiences.

In your case, at least she speaks the same language as you so I guess it's a deeper/more meaningful relationship beyond just the physical (although I guess we all share something common here which is that the sex is damn good lol). But I guess that's why you guys could last for a few years? Just curious, were you single or married this whole time?

Btw I guess you must be young at that time, now I think I'm quite happy with 1x per night if it's a really good, long satisfying session, I can pump for an hour or so, and then she would start asking me why I haven't cum yet haha. Somehow I think maybe 20-30 mins is the sweet spot for most girls for a single session? Don't know. I wanted to cum sooner if I could but sometimes just couldn't.

Was a good read, and relatable. Mine was in China and I go there really frequently, she was mid-twenties (totally my type of looks) having a stable job and doing freelance companionship when I first met her. And it lasted for a few years until last year. This year she just turned 30.

The sex started actually only after a year knowing her, and about 6 months later it we did it raw and never looked back. Best sex of my life, we were doing it like 3-4 times every night when we spent the whole night together and like what bro Penguin said, these are the times you look back and felt that you have lived it. I never CIP her, didn't want to risk it. Ironically on one of our last few fucks, she actually requested I wear a CD and of course I shot inside, but it broke. She was so worried and kept saying like "Don't you know it broke when you were doing it?" like how would I know in the moment. And she rushed to get a morning after pill.

Anyways it went downhill from there, met and did a few times raw and the sex was good but the feeling kinda didn't felt the same anymore... I guess for both parties. A few occasions when I asked her out and she couldn't make time so I assumed she have a life and moved on and didn't meet henceforth. Honestly happy for her so nowadays we only text on special occasions like birthdays or major holidays.

I have regressed in the area of sexual activity quite a lot as I am by nature not a person who have a high sex drive and I do find it a bit hard to move on from her as it is almost impossible to find someone who can give me that kind of quality of sex. Not that I have given up but I have been sparingly trying to venture with different girls but so far not much joy. well.... it is what it is

[cbk69]

Just do a search on YouTube of all the farang getting scammed by Isan girls. You erect cock will quickly turn soft, trust me!


Haha I have watched and read a lot of them for entertainment purposes!

[Penguin23]

Over time, women tend to use the frequency of sex as a validation of how much you love her. Yeah, 20-30mins seems to be the sweet spot for my current girl too. We started out with very very basic english communications only, her most frequent phrase being "Ok darling".

I was quite mischievous so I used that advantage to press for a lot more things that what I think she would have agreed to, haha.

Nowadays, she will always signal that she is ready for sex, by taking a shower and being naked underneath the sheets. This is what I really love about her. The longer the relationship, the more she seems to enjoy sex. This is the reason why, I have lost interest in commercial sex

[dman19]

Thanks for sharing your story bro, it's nice to see more bros coming forward to share their experiences.

In your case, at least she speaks the same language as you so I guess it's a deeper/more meaningful relationship beyond just the physical (although I guess we all share something common here which is that the sex is damn good lol). But I guess that's why you guys could last for a few years? Just curious, were you single or married this whole time?

Btw I guess you must be young at that time, now I think I'm quite happy with 1x per night if it's a really good, long satisfying session, I can pump for an hour or so, and then she would start asking me why I haven't cum yet haha. Somehow I think maybe 20-30 mins is the sweet spot for most girls for a single session? Don't know. I wanted to cum sooner if I could but sometimes just couldn't.

I was about 30+ then, attached in a pretty sexless open relationship and still am. Honestly most of the time when I had 3+ rounds in one night, one of those rounds ended up with me not cumming. But what I like about her is she genuinely enjoys it and never asks me why have I not cummed. 20-30mins is also about the average duration per round for me. Sometimes longer and sometimes shorter but these days most sessions end with me not cumming maybe is because I am the kind who prefer to bonk non-commercial as well and having experienced all the way with this one and couldn’t get over it.

[cbk69]

Haha many times in the past (and occasionally these days) we start to french right after we enter the room, or we could start drinking something on the sofa and then start to make out etc.
But yeah nowadays she seems to prefer to shower first and then she gets naked under the sheets too, then that's when the action starts. She sleeps completely nude too, but I'm not used to it and at least need an underwear haha.
But I do get the feeling that perhaps she doesn't want sex every day when we're together, whereas I have the urge to - cos she would tell me in a joking manner "no boom boom" sometimes (though it always ends the same way after I "seduce" her haha). Maybe I should try to "listen to her wishes" one of the nights, to see how she acts or she would initiate.


Over time, women tend to use the frequency of sex as a validation of how much you love her. Yeah, 20-30mins seems to be the sweet spot for my current girl too. We started out with very very basic english communications only, her most frequent phrase being "Ok darling".

I was quite mischievous so I used that advantage to press for a lot more things that what I think she would have agreed to, haha.

Nowadays, she will always signal that she is ready for sex, by taking a shower and being naked underneath the sheets. This is what I really love about her. The longer the relationship, the more she seems to enjoy sex. This is the reason why, I have lost interest in commercial sex

[cbk69]

I'm still discovering her I guess. She is super accommodating though. Once in a long while, even if I go soft, she would try her hardest to get me hard again, and I really appreciate that. To be very frank, the sex we had since I was just a customer in the F shop was largely similar to what we are having now, and she was equally accommodating, just that our sex now is more... "loving", with no time pressure and we could take our time to try different positions?

I'm not sure if it's a good problem or a bad problem, but if it's my 2nd night onwards, I can literally go on almost forever without cumming. So I get worried that she might get tired, and I do tell her I'm sorry for not cumming yet, and she always tells me it's ok. Then she would help stimulate me in various ways until I get close, before I pump her really hard and cum into her. I think the longest I went for was like 1.5 hrs until I almost had friction burns man, at some point it loses the fun if it goes on for too long.

Talking about commercial sex, I agree it somehow does not feel as good as having sex with someone that you are very comfortable with, and you can look deeply into their eyes while you pump, and you know they are enjoying every stroke just as you do.

Nowadays, the only thrill I get from commercial sex is when I manage to make the girl enjoy the sex more than she feels that she should, haha, and it's even better if it's a massage girl who does not usually do FJ. It's cheap thrill but seeing the girl moan uncontrollably and getting very wet, really gets me high. But yeah, it's a cheap thrill and nowhere near as satisfying as the romantic kind of sex.

And I realize that these days, those very transactional/mechanical kind of sex really turns me off a lot. The worst ones so far are some of those F shops in Korea, the girls are pretty (heavily zhnged) but very mechanical, minimal GFE and they don't even allow you to touch their hair. It's hard to even stay hard haha.

But yeah I understand where you guys are coming from. For commercial sex, it's sometimes hit or miss (especially once you start to prefer the type of sex with "feeling"), and when you get a bad one, it can be quite a shitty experience.

I was about 30+ then, attached in a pretty sexless open relationship and still am. Honestly most of the time when I had 3+ rounds in one night, one of those rounds ended up with me not cumming. But what I like about her is she genuinely enjoys it and never asks me why have I not cummed. 20-30mins is also about the average duration per round for me. Sometimes longer and sometimes shorter but these days most sessions end with me not cumming maybe is because I am the kind who prefer to bonk non-commercial as well and having experienced all the way with this one and couldn’t get over it.

[Penguin23]

Haha many times in the past (and occasionally these days) we start to french right after we enter the room, or we could start drinking something on the sofa and then start to make out etc.
But yeah nowadays she seems to prefer to shower first and then she gets naked under the sheets too, then that's when the action starts. She sleeps completely nude too, but I'm not used to it and at least need an underwear haha.
But I do get the feeling that perhaps she doesn't want sex every day when we're together, whereas I have the urge to - cos she would tell me in a joking manner "no boom boom" sometimes (though it always ends the same way after I "seduce" her haha). Maybe I should try to "listen to her wishes" one of the nights, to see how she acts or she would initiate.

The older I become, the more I actually appreciate this kind of "loving sex". I call this kind of sex "husband service", where she would do virtually anything that pleases me and would be very very receptive to what I want. My girl likes it when I communicate to her how to do a proper HJ, which parts of my cock is especially sensitive and where I want her tongue to be when she gives me BBBJ.

I think this is part and parcel of a couple enjoying sex with each other, and it really bonds two people. On your situation, I can kind of understand - ladies somehow get the idea that their "down there" is naturally dirty so they want to be as clean as possible before sex, especially if you love to go down on her. I have to sometimes initiate sex with her on purpose when she is a bit sweaty, to let her know that I actually like her natural body smell and I do not need her to be sparkling clean before sex. I think deep down she fears that I will be turned off by a smelly CB and not love her anymore, hahaha.

On the frequency of sex - I have a very high sex drive, and I had to learn her preference on when she is most likely to agree to sex. Like most guys I am naturally horny when I wake up, or after alcohol but my girl isn't like that. She hates morning sex, gets sleepy after drinking but she is naturally receptive to sex before bedtime and right after we eat together. She likes to lie in bed right after every meal, and after I've done the dishes and cleaned up all I need to do is come to bed with a clean dick and usually action starts soon after. It took me a while to understand that she usually doesn't want spontaneous sex but if I ask for it beforehand she will do her best to accommodate, and even get ready (and get horny) for it. So that's how I get more than one session of boom-boom nowadays, and I really like it.

[hokengahhh]

Was a good read, and relatable. Mine was in China and I go there really frequently, she was mid-twenties (totally my type of looks) having a stable job and doing freelance companionship when I first met her. And it lasted for a few years until last year. This year she just turned 30.

The sex started actually only after a year knowing her, and about 6 months later it we did it raw and never looked back. Best sex of my life, we were doing it like 3-4 times every night when we spent the whole night together and like what bro Penguin said, these are the times you look back and felt that you have lived it. I never CIP her, didn't want to risk it. Ironically on one of our last few fucks, she actually requested I wear a CD and of course I shot inside, but it broke. She was so worried and kept saying like "Don't you know it broke when you were doing it?" like how would I know in the moment. And she rushed to get a morning after pill.

Anyways it went downhill from there, met and did a few times raw and the sex was good but the feeling kinda didn't felt the same anymore... I guess for both parties. A few occasions when I asked her out and she couldn't make time so I assumed she have a life and moved on and didn't meet henceforth. Honestly happy for her so nowadays we only text on special occasions like birthdays or major holidays.

I have regressed in the area of sexual activity quite a lot as I am by nature not a person who have a high sex drive and I do find it a bit hard to move on from her as it is almost impossible to find someone who can give me that kind of quality of sex. Not that I have given up but I have been sparingly trying to venture with different girls but so far not much joy. well.... it is what it is

Great share bro! sometimes when u look back at these crazy memories, you're glad u lived it!

sometimes really YOLO, just wack and have fun ! but RAW CIP is really one of the best feelings ever, esp when you see the girl furiously riding you and ready for your cum inside her

[Ket54]

The older I become, the more I actually appreciate this kind of "loving sex". I call this kind of sex "husband service", where she would do virtually anything that pleases me and would be very very receptive to what I want. My girl likes it when I communicate to her how to do a proper HJ, which parts of my cock is especially sensitive and where I want her tongue to be when she gives me BBBJ.

I think this is part and parcel of a couple enjoying sex with each other, and it really bonds two people. On your situation, I can kind of understand - ladies somehow get the idea that their "down there" is naturally dirty so they want to be as clean as possible before sex, especially if you love to go down on her. I have to sometimes initiate sex with her on purpose when she is a bit sweaty, to let her know that I actually like her natural body smell and I do not need her to be sparkling clean before sex. I think deep down she fears that I will be turned off by a smelly CB and not love her anymore, hahaha.

On the frequency of sex - I have a very high sex drive, and I had to learn her preference on when she is most likely to agree to sex. Like most guys I am naturally horny when I wake up, or after alcohol but my girl isn't like that. She hates morning sex, gets sleepy after drinking but she is naturally receptive to sex before bedtime and right after we eat together. She likes to lie in bed right after every meal, and after I've done the dishes and cleaned up all I need to do is come to bed with a clean dick and usually action starts soon after. It took me a while to understand that she usually doesn't want spontaneous sex but if I ask for it beforehand she will do her best to accommodate, and even get ready (and get horny) for it. So that's how I get more than one session of boom-boom nowadays, and I really like it.

Really glad you have one of those relationship that both are open to each other's needs, and observant to the other party's preferences. As we get older, we get more particular with the things we like in bed and what keeps us turned on. Took me some time to realize I am a lady-pleaser.. the more turned on the lady, the harder I get, so finding a genuine sex partner I'll keep returning to is difficult.

[cbk69]

100% agree bro. This kind of sex feels totally different from commercial sex (even the best ones), when you cum into her, you get that kind of highly satisfying/fulfilling feeling that you just can't get from commercial sex, and you can see that she is also very satisfied (I particularly love it when she hugs me tight when I'm cumming - as if she really wants me to fill her up). And when I have some "difficulty", she knows exactly what buttons to press to get me back into the game.

To be very frank, I had that with my wife in the past but that has unfortunately been lost already. "Husband service" is quite an apt term. I suspect maybe some of us longed for that feeling with our wives that we could no longer get, so we're looking for it with other girls (at least that's the case for me).

And yeah I love to go down on her Y, she has no smell at all and I get super turned on when I feel her quivering as I hit the right spots. In a way I'm like the other bro, I get very hard and excited when I see my girl so turned on and enjoying herself. For my girl, it seems she is ready for sex right after shower too. One thing is that my girl can't really drink, but when she's in my room, we'll hit a few bottles of Spy, or a bottle of soju + beer, and she becomes that much more crazy during sex. Really fun stuff.

It looks like many bros here have similar experiences, please keep it coming!

I suppose quite a number of bros here are also leading double lives. How do you feel about that, and how do you manage it psychologically?

The older I become, the more I actually appreciate this kind of "loving sex". I call this kind of sex "husband service", where she would do virtually anything that pleases me and would be very very receptive to what I want. My girl likes it when I communicate to her how to do a proper HJ, which parts of my cock is especially sensitive and where I want her tongue to be when she gives me BBBJ.

I think this is part and parcel of a couple enjoying sex with each other, and it really bonds two people. On your situation, I can kind of understand - ladies somehow get the idea that their "down there" is naturally dirty so they want to be as clean as possible before sex, especially if you love to go down on her. I have to sometimes initiate sex with her on purpose when she is a bit sweaty, to let her know that I actually like her natural body smell and I do not need her to be sparkling clean before sex. I think deep down she fears that I will be turned off by a smelly CB and not love her anymore, hahaha.

On the frequency of sex - I have a very high sex drive, and I had to learn her preference on when she is most likely to agree to sex. Like most guys I am naturally horny when I wake up, or after alcohol but my girl isn't like that. She hates morning sex, gets sleepy after drinking but she is naturally receptive to sex before bedtime and right after we eat together. She likes to lie in bed right after every meal, and after I've done the dishes and cleaned up all I need to do is come to bed with a clean dick and usually action starts soon after. It took me a while to understand that she usually doesn't want spontaneous sex but if I ask for it beforehand she will do her best to accommodate, and even get ready (and get horny) for it. So that's how I get more than one session of boom-boom nowadays, and I really like it.

[Penguin23]

I suppose quite a number of bros here are also leading double lives. How do you feel about that, and how do you manage it psychologically?

I never felt comfortable, when I was leading a double life. I could probably face the consequences with the wife, but it is my greatest fear that my daughter will end up hating me, if I was ever caught fooling around. Thankfully, I was never caught.

I am lucky, that as a divorcee I no longer needed to live a double life. My daughter knows who my gf is, but I have repeatedly told her that she will never have a stepmother and I will never bring my gf into my family life. Children should know only one set of parents - these modern talk about blended family is, in my opinion, asking for unnecessary trouble.

My kids will be independent in a few years and when that happens and they no longer need me around, I will spend more time with my gf and hopefully we will get married one day.

[mengMeng]

Wow I didn’t know there are ppl having such similar lifestyle as me. I also travel frequently for work. At least once a month. But tried to avoid meeting the same girl too often. As I am married with kid also. I don’t want situation to disrupt my life in Singapore.
But I totally understand the dilemma, seems like there are a lot of Singaporean men leading a double life and not really happy in their SG marriage. Sometimes I do think it might be better if my wife make a fuss of our life and divorce me instead.

[cbk69]

I agree with you - blended family sounds like a recipe for trouble and invites a lot more questions. Sounds like you have it all planned out. Unfortunately my kid is still a long, long way from being independent.


I never felt comfortable, when I was leading a double life. I could probably face the consequences with the wife, but it is my greatest fear that my daughter will end up hating me, if I was ever caught fooling around. Thankfully, I was never caught.

I am lucky, that as a divorcee I no longer needed to live a double life. My daughter knows who my gf is, but I have repeatedly told her that she will never have a stepmother and I will never bring my gf into my family life. Children should know only one set of parents - these modern talk about blended family is, in my opinion, asking for unnecessary trouble.

My kids will be independent in a few years and when that happens and they no longer need me around, I will spend more time with my gf and hopefully we will get married one day.

[cbk69]

Yeah I suspect a lot are leading double lives.
Whether it's because of an unhappy marriage, or seeking thrills, or not getting the type of sex that we need from our wives.
I suppose there are some things that we will need to take to our graves.

You sound like you have more than a regular girl or regular country? I don't know but just 1 or 2 girls is already plenty hehe. What's your story with them, if you don't mind sharing?


Wow I didn’t know there are ppl having such similar lifestyle as me. I also travel frequently for work. At least once a month. But tried to avoid meeting the same girl too often. As I am married with kid also. I don’t want situation to disrupt my life in Singapore.
But I totally understand the dilemma, seems like there are a lot of Singaporean men leading a double life and not really happy in their SG marriage. Sometimes I do think it might be better if my wife make a fuss of our life and divorce me instead.

[BatamBro]

sometimes can kena gongtao but still not aware so must be careful
those got kid alr but still close to you.. eventually will ask for $ to help this and that.. then slowly borrow for family problem etc.. long term strategy one lah
they all got their network of girls friends to teach them guide them slowly what to do.. if you want proper holiday gf just find those no kid but work office job then got basic eng speaking but still reply message. just be mentally prepared that she has lots of bf and fuck buddies.. this kind if you not in thailand to commit, very hard to maintain.. so must be mentally prep

[Jasoncobain]

sometimes can kena gongtao but still not aware so must be careful
those got kid alr but still close to you.. eventually will ask for $ to help this and that.. then slowly borrow for family problem etc.. long term strategy one lah
they all got their network of girls friends to teach them guide them slowly what to do.. if you want proper holiday gf just find those no kid but work office job then got basic eng speaking but still reply message. just be mentally prepared that she has lots of bf and fuck buddies.. this kind if you not in thailand to commit, very hard to maintain.. so must be mentally prep

met b4. one of my ang mo friends, professional gf in thailand. when he's there, she's the gf, fuck and all, " booom boom". once he said he didnt like her seeing other guys, she immediately asked for like 1M thb or something for her shop, he backed off.

so best to just pay for those few days, then go back happy