AV is targeting on the FLs in this Forum

[sex hero]

Recently, I have heard that the FLs are caught from the forum and they are bringing in them to a Hotel and swop them like a net. These AVs are disgusting as clones and asking for contacts here. So All Brothers, please be on high alert and take care!!!

[Chelsea SPA]

From where is your reliable sources ?

[Liquid@cid]

I think most likely the AVs are targeting those okts that are active in the FL1 section ba....... :rolleyes:

[msgluver]

This is why some fls decided to be streetwalkers & beo the customers before accepting them, instead of from brothers' introduction by phone. safest customers are those ahpek retirees, can wa che tng (free meals). a bit young they scared scared thinking they are av.

[Pkcom]

Yes i agree with ts

recently really a lot on lor 20 81

Pls be carful

I hope those TS giving contacts also will scan thru before giving out

[icecum]

I also think that way too.....Nowdays police got to be very active to get their Bouns lor..... if not they got nth to do just like us walk at the streets meh.....

[Bebertov]

it's very hard to know who is real and who's not...

[halsurfer]

TS is right, don't need to ask sources. Its happening, and worst still what I've heard is that some mafus here are getting contacts of the FLs and passing them to the police.

Not sure exactly what is going on, but please leave the poor girls alone. And if indeed some of those okts are jealous of their good business and decide to report them, shame on you. You guys are despicable.

I really advise all TSs to exercise extra caution, and to inform the girls they are promoting to be extra alert. Better to lose the few customers than to get deported and not being able to come back here again.

[Stratgist]

I tjhink the active OKTs with so many advertisment are the high target. Both local and foreign. Some brother who are not happy with the OKT service tend to react with anger with them and report to the AV. The gals are so highly subjective to false client in digusise. Another day of reckoning for those OKTa and gals who are not careful. The destiny is in their hands.


TS is right, don't need to ask sources. Its happening, and worst still what I've heard is that some mafus here are getting contacts of the FLs and passing them to the police.

Not sure exactly what is going on, but please leave the poor girls alone. And if indeed some of those okts are jealous of their good business and decide to report them, shame on you. You guys are despicable.

I really advise all TSs to exercise extra caution, and to inform the girls they are promoting to be extra alert. Better to lose the few customers than to get deported and not being able to come back here again.

[RegularJoe]

unfortunately.... risking being contacted by an AV is part of occupational hazard of this FL business...

who can really tell, who among the callers are is AV and real genuine clients?

AVs dont come in standard packages, such as young virile looking men... in fact, i have seen some AVs who are so inconspicuous in their dressing and behaviour, if they were in a pub drinking with you, you would unconsciously ignore them... that's the mark of a AV... blend into the crowd, and really low key... these group of plainclothes i saw, looked like 40s and 50s...

frankly, no one can really tell...

just tell your girls.... there's nothing criminal about having sex...what is breaking the law is when these girls ASK to be paid...then, it becomes prostitution... if at the end of fuck session, the clients give them the money without discussing the purpose, then it becomes safer...

i always never discuss money with the girls...but at the end, just give an appropriate amount...sometimes i will just tell them it's for their food/clothings/transport..

ultimately, there's really no sure way to beat the AV when they decide to pounce...

[lblittlebear]

I think it's more likely the OKTs reporting rather than AVs disguising as clones here and fish for contacts

AVs where got so hardworking one - they already have too many cases to handle the TNs, HCs etc to deal with FLs.

On the other hand, FLs are hurting the business of some OKTs.

Recently, I have heard that the FLs are caught from the forum and they are bringing in them to a Hotel and swop them like a net. These AVs are disgusting as clones and asking for contacts here. So All Brothers, please be on high alert and take care!!!

[1sly]

I personally feel that we should expose those who are posing to be AV!!! Like divluging their nicks or Hp, what do you guys think?

[Prickly]

Seem like AV raid usually on Thursday.
A few times walking in GL, saw the raid.

[yamashikata]

why would AV want to target these freelance FLs ???

they are not committing any offence ....
unless they are under an okt (which what the av actually want)

[Msdy777]

OKT is smart....asked girls collect $ only after job done.
Only dumb OKT will ask girls to collect $ first before session.

[Bebertov]

Hi can anyone please let me know as why my points had been deducted so many ?? so i will not repeat the same mistake again

[STAND]

bro,tis thing is real,i dunno if they fish out of sammyboy but its definately thru internet posting, its cfm tat a few got caught, they will call the ger,book appt at geylang hotel ,ger arrive ,they ask for name and if they provide the service...they say yes then the female office will appear out from the toilet....they oso have a list of FL,wif names,charges and contact....so pls warn ur "gerfrens" abt this...

thru reliable source-victim

[nerazzuri]

just tell your girls.... there's nothing criminal about having sex...what is breaking the law is when these girls ASK to be paid...then, it becomes prostitution...


just wondering...

is prostitution for local girls also illegal ? if not then does it means that a okt that deals with only local girls isnt doing anything against the law ?

[zack123]

Recently, I have heard that the FLs are caught from the forum and they are bringing in them to a Hotel and swop them like a net. These AVs are disgusting as clones and asking for contacts here. So All Brothers, please be on high alert and take care!!!

If I get caught with an FL during an AV raid how ah? Will be arrested or not or only the girl will be arrested?

[ahtas]

If I get caught with an FL during an AV raid how ah? Will be arrested or not or only the girl will be arrested?As long the girl is not underage, u r safe. so pls check the girl ic if u find her too young.

[pirahna]

Any bro out there knows who is caught so far?

btw, what to do if AV comes in while you are with the gal? What will happened to you?

[BlurWolfe]

This has been posted and replied by resident samster legal counsels before.

To summaries:
1. It is not illegal to be anyone with a chicken, except that she has certain undesirable traits, eg underage, overstayer, known drug offencer.

2. With Av, dont be a hero.
The WL will certainly ask you to say bf and gf, but how much you know about the lady, how do you know she is not the target and AV has been taking pictures of her in and out of certain hotel with different bf.
What the WL asked is to protected her own ass, without consideration of the customers, as for AV if you want to be smartass, they can detain and call the spouse or relatives for bail, and request your assistance for investigation from day to day. So how you going to explain to spouse or not working to your boss?

The WLs can be anyone picked from the street, or from net, or someone being 'baoed' by another.

[wazoo]

if i'm not wrong, its illegal to pedal their wares coz considered soliciting

but will the AV pose as potential customers?

[Capacity]

dear brothers,

after reading through all the posts, i would like to feed my 5 cents worth too.

As a cheongster, myself, this is what i did, and would advise all to follow (if you want).

I believe that things will be better after march, as this is an important month for them...

For the cheongsters:

1. have control of your urge for the time being, at least until apr. If you die die wan to heh heh, you can either go the legal houses or only go for your regular gal.

For cheongsters who have regular "gf":

1. advise them to only take regular customers
2. be discreet about their sms and phone calls (dont type things like sex, price,...etc)
3. same thing here, control their urge (for them is $ urge)

For cheongsters who are caught: (at least this is what i believe)

1. die die dont admit! Haha,...If after all these layers of defence, and you still kanna caught, you have to deny everything!

Last but not least, let's look forward to end of march, where there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

Just my 5 cents worth...

Regards
Cap

[aczeta]

Sad but ture.. i have seen it

[Liquid@cid]

just wondering...

is prostitution for local girls also illegal ? if not then does it means that a okt that deals with only local girls isnt doing anything against the law ?

If i am not wrong, it's not illegal for a local woman to sell her body for money, as long as she does it discreetly, and not to solicite in public, but an okt who deals with FLs is against the law be it the FL to be a local, a PRC or what any other countries, reason being that it is a crime for a person making a living off a woman who sells her body for a money

If I get caught with an FL during an AV raid how ah? Will be arrested or not or only the girl will be arrested?

As long as the FL is not underage or a overstayer, and you give the AV full co-operation by just admit straight that you pay the FL for sex, i think under the norm you will be let off with a warning, if you try to help the FL by lying den the AV will get you back to the police station fro asistance and only allow bail by your spouse to shame you .......

Any bro out there knows who is caught so far?

btw, what to do if AV comes in while you are with the gal? What will happened to you?

Nothing will happen, just wear your clothes, give a short statement on the spot, kena fxxk by the AV, you tiam tiam den they will ask you to go......

if i'm not wrong, its illegal to pedal their wares coz considered soliciting

but will the AV pose as potential customers?

Ya, for my knowledge, most of time arrangement of posting as potential cust is made against those "ji tuan" (okts) with a stable of girls under them, but against streetwalkers, mostly what they do is to conduct raids at the hotels of the various red-light district and those Pubs or Ktvs with WLs reputation

[abuja]

Last but not least, let's look forward to end of march, where there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
Why is March special? AV must meet their quota by then for staff annual evaluation and promotion exercise?

[shocky]

is it possible for FL girl to ask possible client before hand if they are AV before going any further?

im not sure if the law is the same here in SG but do known in other parts when FL and drug dealers smell a trap they can ask if they are police or not.

if the police answer "No" then its knows and entrapment and technically they arent aloud to do anything.

but in this day and age people bend the rules with so many things. and i dont even know if using the entrapment plan is even valid here in SG. just a thought and idea that could help FL girls.

pls dont zap me if im totally wrong and sounding stupid, i had good intentions on helping

[ranger_ong99]

goddame it !!! so many people die everyday why not this AV & policeman.....

[abuja]

if the police answer "No" then its knows and entrapment and technically they arent aloud to do anything.
but in this day and age people bend the rules with so many things. and i dont even know if using the entrapment plan is even valid here in SG.

Police entrapment here is legal. Dont believe? Read this. Engineer sold cop drugs (http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_333631.html)

[skirtchaser639]

wikipedia trust able source?
found this Prostitution in Singapore - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Singapore) but read for reference only
tried go into sg law website to search but fucking garment and lorears everything also want $$ before you can access the info
no wonder we need to use our national reserve

[TallMan]

Just my opinion, and cos I want to know more and better info.

Why would AV want to get numbers from sbf and register and ask for contacts of FL and then go register in hotel and then arrest the gals? Doesnt it all sound a bit cumbersome and far-fetched? So AV officers are number collectors too, ie collect numbers not to f@@k but to arrest? Unbelievable!

I think AV Dept has to do its job ie minimise, not stamp out, vice activities.

Once long ago, prostitution was a top vice. Now I don’t think it’s considered by the authorities to be so, what with the sexual needs of PR professionals and migrant labourers. Last century, one minister Byrne tried to outlaw prostitution. Today, it’s thriving (thanks in part also to sbf). A decade ago, one minister confirmed that the red light districts will remain. Hey, one million (ok, almost, if we consider only the males) foreigners without release outlets will mean a great increase in sexual crimes!

So, what should AV do? Or, what has the AV Dept been instructed to do or not to do?

The visible signs of prostitution should be removed. Esply in areas that previously were not hotbeds of the activity. Think Joo Chiat area. Action has started with the no transit accommodation for hotels in the area. The bars and karaoke joints should be next, I think.

The red light areas are well known to Singaporeans, and they will not in their right minds buy a house or apartment in these areas. Hey, you wouldn’t buy an apartment next to a sewerage treatment plant, would you? So the RL areas remain, and the business continues only in these areas.

But, the AV cannot be seen to do nothing in the RL areas, so what to do?
So maybe they conduct a raid of a love hotel once in a while, according to posters here who might have heard rumours of such??? Nah, I don’t think so.

More sensible and reasonable and public visible if the AV were to go pick up the street gals in the RL areas. No street walkers mean no visible solicitation (some bros in earlier posts clarified solicitation is the crime). Means no hang around migrant labourers. Means no public complaints. Etc etc.

So do the AV really truthfully go trapping FLs via hp and room numbers etc? Anyone here honestly had the experience? Or are those posts put up by people protecting their ‘upp my rep points in return for contact’ business?

It is a stupid government which thinks it can stamp out the oldest profession in the world. Not even a great communist country like China will attempt it. The govt here is not stupid because it knows full well that we are a global country; and that includes all the implications and ramifications of globalisation. And the sex industry is an inherent component.

So let’s not listen to rumours. Just enjoy. When you’re caught with a street walker, just admit it. Sorry to the gal, but you save your skin. The AV just wants to keep them off the street. If the street walker is provided to you by a pimp, then you should when asked give his/her number to the AV officers to save your skin, no dishonour there, self preservation comes first. If your gal is a ‘call girl’ as most of them are, then just say she’s a friend. Just hope they have all their documents in order, that all. What’s wrong with a foreign visitor making friends and sharing some good sex?

Cheers.

[mydickulike]

aiyah bros, in sg evrything can do but just dont get caught. everything govt say is rite & they got power mah, who are we to say yes or no sia. anyway prostituition is not against the LAW but soliciting is, all these f**king undercover hope 1 day people ambush them & wack them till shit come out from their mouths since they love to ambush people.

[mydickulike]

So let’s not listen to rumours. Just enjoy.
Cheers.

everyone have got a point :cool:

what i feel (just my 6 cents) that there maybe some in here that aren't satisfied with some FLs & they're out to sabo the poor gals! Bros, be a gentlemen to move on, don't spoil our sex mood. :p

Cheers Bro Tallman!!!

Uppz u!!

[wazoo]

everyone have got a point :cool:

what i feel (just my 6 cents) that there maybe some in here that aren't satisfied with some FLs & they're out to sabo the poor gals! Bros, be a gentlemen to move on, don't spoil our sex mood. :p

Cheers Bro Tallman!!!

Uppz u!!

i couldnt agree with u more

jus enjoy the punanis, if u nt happy wif tis one den change for another one

y go spoil other pples fun?

[shocky]

Police entrapment here is legal. Dont believe? Read this. Engineer sold cop drugs (http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_333631.html)

yeah i read the article but i couldnt see any mention of the engineer asking if it was a cop or not.

sure the cop can pose as a druggie and try to buy drugs or pick up a FL but my understanding that if before further business takes places (money or producing of drugs) the drug dealer or FL can ask if they are cop or not IF they answer "NO" then arrest then them its classed as entrapment and also against the law. the cop has to answer honestly to that question.

if they dont ask then get caught then its kinda own fault.

law maybe different here and they can still answer no and still make arrest.

correct me if im wrong in any part i have mention but dont zap me pls.


and sorry if it sounds like repeating myself

[style.whist]

Please see my post :

http://www.sammyboyforum.com/3532593-post548.html

[warbird]

I dun know why AV is targeting the FLs in SBF. It's very inefficient n not cost effective.:confused:

They know about the 50-60 PRC MMs lining up at L8/Talma n many more elsewhere...how about the thousands of FLs at HCs n KTVs?

Dun they hv much bigger fish to fry? ;)

It's always a function of supply n demand. To reduce the no. of FLs is simple. Try increasing the supply of LEGAL, young n pretty gals by 100-fold or 200-fold or whatever it takes n the FLs may disappear like the morning dew or the dodo.:eek:

Just one man's humble opinion...if my view is politically incorrect n even offensive to some, my apologies...

Cheers!

[vincent2982]

Confirm true tat AV is doing someting, I noe a few FL in this forum suddenly lose contact. I believe all kana deport liao. Better way is not to give contact to newbie or any one with no proper or enough post. Unfair to newbie but no choice

[BoLiang]

well, for a start, i think newbies can try OKTs first la..post some FRs and honestly after awhile should be ok. At least thats how i came about. Then again, 1 can never to be too sure. Sighs, AV raids into G area are commons afterall and so the cat-and-mouse game is all too familiar. However, those raids require lots of paperwork and from time to time, these ambush will suffice. At least, they appear to be working. Better still, can officially surf SBF while working!! :D

[Compassion]

Confirm true tat AV is doing someting, I noe a few FL in this forum suddenly lose contact. I believe all kana deport liao. Better way is not to give contact to newbie or any one with no proper or enough post. Unfair to newbie but no choice

Yes, what you said is true....several FLs in this forum are unreachable now...however it does not mean that they are targetted. Most of these FLs use hotels in the Geylang/Lavender areas for their operation and could be detained why a raid is going on in these hotels.

In the recent parliament sitting, the issue of why there are so many foreign ladies in Singapore was raised. One MP even said ICA should be stricter in allowing social visit passes to these ladies. I think the Minister in charge responded by saying that Singapore is encouraging tourism and cannot be seen at the same placing obstacles at the point of entry.

So the only way is to conduct regular raids in the hot spot areas to dampen the flourishing of vice activities. AV has to be seen to be doing their jobs, especially after the issue is raised in parliament.

After a while, when no one is highliting the issue any more, the number of raids will come down and life goes on as usual in the red light areas.

[aturbo]

Bros,

AV conduct raids everyday irregardless of timing and location but most of the time at peak hours and hotspots. As mentioned before, the girls do not need to be seen soliciting or being in the company of cheongsters in hotel rooms.

They employ different tactics everytime and they dont give a damn so long as they meet their quotas. My take is the few FLs in SBF happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time....can only blame their luck.

I have known many FLs that was arrested and sent back including my own girl. Initially, while fresh all were afraid but after sometime all were resigned to the fact that they have limited time here and have to take the risk associated with it if not they cannot make the $$$ for the same reason they are here in the 1st place.

My 2 cents :)

[aturbo]

Oh god just gone thru some of the older threads.....seems like its for real that AV has started fishing for contacts and targeting FLs in SBF.

How come so desperate nowadays plus a fine as well. Never happen like this before though. :mad:

[TanChinKu]

Oh god just gone thru some of the older threads.....seems like its for real that AV has started fishing for contacts and targeting FLs in SBF.

How come so desperate nowadays plus a fine as well. Never happen like this before though. :mad:

Did you check if the OKT side got kanna or not?

[geminitwinmale]

As far as I know, as long there is no mention of $ or the LAW called it 'soliciting' then no one breaking the law.

I think making love in hotel with any gals whether is she a tourist, on social pass or work permit is NOT a crime.

Let assume one day, I am at hawker centre and strike a conversation with a girl and both of us 'çlick' and decided to have quick fling in one of the budget hotel. It is a crime? I dont think so.

AV has the right to raid at any time and at any hotels, importantly there should be no mention of $ and remain firm on your ground. I believe it should be safe.

Just my 2 cents worth of my personal view.

[LeSaux]

FUCK the police!

[John_Lloyd]

FUCK the police!

Wow.. Simple but meaningful 3 words. Haha.. But honestly, do you think there's such huge manpower and time for them to do this? No doubt it is against the law, but I think there are more bigger cases to handle man..

Just my thoughts..

[Wooden_Handle]

I think the AV thinks they above the LAW in this issue once it started to raid transit hotels. In other countries, police raid in any private property (that is Hotel 81) must have special permission by a judge and written documents.

[RegularJoe]

Wow.. Simple but meaningful 3 words. Haha.. But honestly, do you think there's such huge manpower and time for them to do this? No doubt it is against the law, but I think there are more bigger cases to handle man..

Just my thoughts..

what else can they do? already cannot apprehend the fellas who escape from prison.... very free mah...

[untoldtruth]

The IT manager at Police Cantonment Complex is the one who been doing the great harm here.by the name of ALex koh and staying in Bishan.do u thnk the AV is smart to come to this site?it is all this guy doing that our FL here get in trouble.this is the info i get and i expose him here .so if he is reading this even better as here is his email add [email protected]

[Happyguy801]

IF i and a Local FL doing in the Hotel n when the AV come in can i say that i Know the FL at a club n we are in love .. Does that make us SAFE??
Happy
:D

[codenamesnake]

This sucks..... getting contacts is quite difficult for us bonkers as usually high demand of certain FLs....and these AVs do this, make it more difficult for TS to trust newbies like me......terrible.. :(

[suckerll]

The IT manager at Police Cantonment Complex is the one who been doing the great harm here.by the name of ALex koh and staying in Bishan.do u thnk the AV is smart to come to this site?it is all this guy doing that our FL here get in trouble.this is the info i get and i expose him here .so if he is reading this even better as here is his email add [email protected]
u sure it's him? got his full name and address or not?

[hotsoup16]

The IT manager at Police Cantonment Complex is the one who been doing the great harm here.by the name of ALex koh and staying in Bishan.do u thnk the AV is smart to come to this site?it is all this guy doing that our FL here get in trouble.this is the info i get and i expose him here .so if he is reading this even better as here is his email add [email protected]

Bro,
U're good meh...1st post and u re contributing something useful to this community. I hope u're not using another new nick to sabo other. I hope...

[sexrookie]

IF i and a Local FL doing in the Hotel n when the AV come in can i say that i Know the FL at a club n we are in love .. Does that make us SAFE??
Happy
:D

You are only SAFE when .....

You need to know each other detail when the AV answer you and the FL

:D

[Highjoys]

How come situation is like that? Now the govt never ban prostitution just make public soliciting illegal. Though the police raided many massage parlours, they do not totally eliminate them. In every country there is prostitution. if every country can give them very good life and no cost of living to worry about, who would wan to be pro? Hopefully some AVs or bros understand the world is not perfect. We could not rid the whole Singapore of all the rats or pests becos they are part of the ecosystem. Who can ensure every corner is "clean and sparkling" every hour, every minute every second and every day and every month and of cos every year... sorry long winded just to make sure some people understand only the Superman in comics can do it... (he need not sleep or eat too)

Moreover FLs need a living too... they are living humans

[Cupnoodle]

Please see my post :

http://www.sammyboyforum.com/3532593-post548.html

http://www.sammyboyforum.com/3533475-post556.html

From the victim of that AV operation in Geylang Lor 20 : 13 street walker, 13 caught in the room, 8 FL from SBF. Total of 34 gals were arrested and sent to Bedok station. Majority of them got deported out of SG. There were at least two room used by the AV, one for the bait and another for the storage of catch. FLs from SBF were call up to the bait room, and once convicted, they were kept in another room. AV are quite versed with individual FL thread in SBF. The AV guys keep calling FL from the two pages of FL name list with contact! Their name will be highlighted when caught so that AV know the score...

[flong928]

http://www.sammyboyforum.com/3533475-post556.html

There were at least two room used by the AV, one for the bait and another for the storage of catch. FLs from SBF were call up to the bait room, and once convicted, they were kept in another room. AV are quite versed with individual FL thread in SBF. The AV guys keep calling FL from the two pages of FL name list with contact! .
Room 204 n ??? they even knows what services they does + their charges:eek:

[RegularJoe]

personally, i find it very odd to have to discuss about the service fee with the FL during the fuck session...afterall, we all know what the damage is from this SBF...

so, there's no reason for anyone to be talking to the FL about $$ before the session...

so, let's advice our FLs what they can do to prevent themselves from being trapped...in any case, i am sure whatever we write here, AV can read it...so it wont be some big time secret...but a matter of "teaching" our girls how not to fall into the AV trap..

here goes...the girls must NOT do this

a) do not discuss money with client, especially when FL and client have not started physical with each other
b) even during physical, should not need to discuss too, as client should know damage from SBF...weird to have to talk $$ again right...
c) shd the question of $$ come up...FL should just say "what are you talking about? I am insulted" and walk away...

now, we need to understand the reason for the AV to ask the question "how much?" and the need for an answer... this is call Contract, which needs an "offer", an "acceptance" for a promise of a "consideration" (which is the $$ payment) ....any of this 3 items missing, there's no contract established...


to be more precise..this is how a contract is formed..

AV asks : "how much?" ...technically, this is NOT an offer but an "offer to trade"
FL : "$xx"....technically, this is the "consideration" AND made the actual "Offer" (in other words, she has solicited a client)
AV need not answer...becos, AV will charge the FL under "illegal solicitation" but if he says "ok, agree " then it is an "Acceptance" and hence a Contract, which is illegal in this instance, is created...

ok, so, now we know why the FL should never answer the "how much?" question, in the first place at all...

d) job done...client pays...you would think that there's now a case...BUT AV is NOT allowed to FUCK or even touch the FL...

so, usually, once the client strips and touch FL....it is quite safe that chap is not AV...

a caveat....however, i am not a lawyer or legal professional....so, please do not take my words as gospel truth....without first making your own assessment...

PS : by the way, as a "good" FR posting habit...i think we all really do not need to state which hotel...it does not add any quality to the FR but only causes more headaches for everyone...

[pr3stig3]

hmmm bro RegularJoe has made some pretty good pts there...

assuming the AVs are not allowed to fuck or touch the FLs... y not advise all the ladies out there to do the following steps below.


1. upon reaching the room, examine the room if there is another female AV officer around... (the link above mentioned that there was 1 hiding in the toilet?)

2. try being cosy n comfy with the guy and if he pushes her away and keeps asking about the price den theres sth fishy? (if that happens can ask the gal to walk away liao)

jus my suggestion on the matter based on the fact that the AV male officers are afraid even to get into any physical contact with the gals?:)

but of cors the AV officers can also see this post im making so dont know if this can be of any help...:confused:

any better solns from more exp bros?

[Cheonging101]

Anyway, 1st of all, definitely got AV posing as bros here. That, or some OKTs- who are jealous of the popular FLs getting too much attention at ridiculously low pricing- created accounts, wrote fake FRs, grabbed contacts from us and handed them over to the AV.

Anyway, saw this Wikipedia thing on Prostitution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Singapore)... Sibei cute, this sentence "The bars in Duckston Hill also offer sexual services."

I wonder who wrote that article... Really bo standard...

Did you check if the OKT side got kanna or not?

So far, only Freelancers got caught. OKTs and the girls under them all safe. Really make me suspect if OKTs and AV got any linkage or not... Suspect only hor! Although we all know that civil servants also human but our garment thinks, and wants us to think, otherwise.:D

[aturbo]

Hi Bros,

with or without the "call contract" the AV can still arrest the FL...just that with it it is easier for them to make the arrest. no mention of $$$ doesnt mean no offense committed.

Gals hanging around GL would have deemed to have broken immigration laws therefore they will be brought back to cantonment and then to immigration dept to have their visas revoked.

AVs have long been using the fishing strategy for the past many years. ie. sending out several male AV officers to hook streetwalkers and then bringing them back to the hotel rooms to have them arrested so this is nothing new. As for FLs in the forum, I believe this maybe the 1st time. Since they have the "fishing operation" in progress they might as well call a few of the sbf Fls to unknowingly show up (make sense?) kill 2 birds with 1 stone.

Some advice or tell tale signs you might like to advise your gals which are:

1. Room already booked in advanced so no need for them to register at the check-in counter and no transaction exchanged for the room.

2. Refusal to go to other hotels and insist on a particular one.

My 2 cents :)

[Hong Qigong]

http://www.sammyboyforum.com/3533475-post556.html

From the victim of that AV operation in Geylang Lor 20 : 13 street walker, 13 caught in the room, 8 FL from SBF. Total of 34 gals were arrested and sent to Bedok station. Majority of them got deported out of SG. There were at least two room used by the AV, one for the bait and another for the storage of catch. FLs from SBF were call up to the bait room, and once convicted, they were kept in another room. AV are quite versed with individual FL thread in SBF. The AV guys keep calling FL from the two pages of FL name list with contact! Their name will be highlighted when caught so that AV know the score...

Wow they sound very organised. Looks like these AV fellows have network greater than those from my begger sect.... ho ho ho :cool:

[pineapple_99]

Wow they sound very organised. Looks like these AV fellows have network greater than those from my begger sect.... ho ho ho :cool:

maybe we should give out the numbers of the AV so bros here can be more careful.

but on second thoughts, the AV should not be so bo liao and inefficient to use sbf fl numbers to call one by one which i find it rather ineffective and time wasting.

if our home affair really use this low hand methods i really have doubts in our nation security.AV have good records of keeping our sillypore clean(so far) and they should be more genius in cleaning up silliypore.

if not this news lead to our famous sin ming or wan bao, AV will be famous for a while. i dun think they will want their reputation down the drain branding them inefficient and waste tax payers money.(not forgetting they book hotel also use our hard earn taxpayers money)

just my 1 cents worth opinion.without prejudice.:D

[pineapple_99]

Prostitution is not illegal in Singapore

The government recognised that many women come into Singapore on social visit passes with the intention to work, voluntarily, as sex workers. But Ho stressed that unless they posed a nuisance to the public by brazenly soliciting on the streets, no action would be taken.( so if they dun stand at street then they should be fine.so why AV need to call them and fish?):D

Ho's statement alluded to a mental shortcut that I have personally seen: an automatic association between prostitution and trafficking. Some people make that connection, even those who otherwise have quite liberal ideas about sex. Probably they see commercial sex work as something tawdry and humiliating. They can't imagine themselves doing something like that, and then assume that others feel the same way. It's as if one says, "Since I can't bring myself to do this, if she is really doing this then it must surely be against her will."

[TanChinKu]

So far, only Freelancers got caught. OKTs and the girls under them all safe. Really make me suspect if OKTs and AV got any linkage or not... Suspect only hor! Although we all know that civil servants also human but our garment thinks, and wants us to think, otherwise.:D

Oh... that means they are in the same cahoot? Hmmm.. now I be making some enquires.

[didisong2]

Anyway, 1st of all, definitely got AV posing as bros here. That, or some OKTs- who are jealous of the popular FLs getting too much attention at ridiculously low pricing- created accounts, wrote fake FRs, grabbed contacts from us and handed them over to the AV.

Anyway, saw this Wikipedia thing on Prostitution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Singapore)... Sibei cute, this sentence "The bars in Duckston Hill also offer sexual services."

I wonder who wrote that article... Really bo standard...



So far, only Freelancers got caught. OKTs and the girls under them all safe. Really make me suspect if OKTs and AV got any linkage or not... Suspect only hor! Although we all know that civil servants also human but our garment thinks, and wants us to think, otherwise.:D

bro, you are outdated....before this geylang lor 20 incident, there are already a few AV raids on the OKT's gals. You got to read more on the SBF...Thais gals and PRC gals was nabbed in their hotels during those few raids. they even got some of the runners and okts.

[style.whist]

Some advice or tell tale signs you might like to advise your gals which are:

1. Room already booked in advanced so no need for them to register at the check-in counter and no transaction exchanged for the room.

2. Refusal to go to other hotels and insist on a particular one.

problem with this is that this is the modus operandi of many bros here; for example I always pre-book the room and sms room number, and I always insist on certain better transit hotels

maybe we should give out the numbers of the AV so bros here can be more careful.

well av can easily change numbers, but then again this is a good idea. speaking if which, I have 1 number with me ...

i dun think they will want their reputation down the drain branding them inefficient and waste tax payers money.(not forgetting they book hotel also use our hard earn taxpayers money)

this is nothing compared to GIC's screw up with Lehman ....

[pirahna]

I think the AV thinks they above the LAW in this issue once it started to raid transit hotels. In other countries, police raid in any private property (that is Hotel 81) must have special permission by a judge and written documents.

That would be a search warrant. However, in S'pore a police with the rank of ASP and above is a walking warrant. So no documents needed.

[style.whist]

personally, i find it very odd to have to discuss about the service fee with the FL during the fuck session...afterall, we all know what the damage is from this SBF...

so, there's no reason for anyone to be talking to the FL about $$ before the session...

so, let's advice our FLs what they can do to prevent themselves from being trapped...in any case, i am sure whatever we write here, AV can read it...so it wont be some big time secret...but a matter of "teaching" our girls how not to fall into the AV trap..

here goes...the girls must NOT do this

a) do not discuss money with client, especially when FL and client have not started physical with each other
b) even during physical, should not need to discuss too, as client should know damage from SBF...weird to have to talk $$ again right...
c) shd the question of $$ come up...FL should just say "what are you talking about? I am insulted" and walk away...

now, we need to understand the reason for the AV to ask the question "how much?" and the need for an answer... this is call Contract, which needs an "offer", an "acceptance" for a promise of a "consideration" (which is the $$ payment) ....any of this 3 items missing, there's no contract established...


to be more precise..this is how a contract is formed..

AV asks : "how much?" ...technically, this is NOT an offer but an "offer to trade"
FL : "$xx"....technically, this is the "consideration" AND made the actual "Offer" (in other words, she has solicited a client)
AV need not answer...becos, AV will charge the FL under "illegal solicitation" but if he says "ok, agree " then it is an "Acceptance" and hence a Contract, which is illegal in this instance, is created...

ok, so, now we know why the FL should never answer the "how much?" question, in the first place at all...

d) job done...client pays...you would think that there's now a case...BUT AV is NOT allowed to FUCK or even touch the FL...

so, usually, once the client strips and touch FL....it is quite safe that chap is not AV...

a caveat....however, i am not a lawyer or legal professional....so, please do not take my words as gospel truth....without first making your own assessment...

PS : by the way, as a "good" FR posting habit...i think we all really do not need to state which hotel...it does not add any quality to the FR but only causes more headaches for everyone...


ok bros, based on regularjoe's post and with some other input from other posts, I have drafted a SMS template in Chinese and forwarded it to some FLs. I have asked them to forward it to their sisters. It contains many useful pointers. Obviously I can't share it with bros here (it's a Chinese SMS) and it would be too unsafe for everyone to forward a SMS to your number. So I leave it to the FLs and their network to distribute it.

If you chance upon a FL and upon talking to her she tells you about this SMS, please ask her to forward you the SMS so you have a copy of it, and hence can forward to other FLs. I hope this works. I think this is fair and square, a perfectly legal way to give some advice to the FLs.

[funtime]

Oh... that means they are in the same cahoot? Hmmm.. now I be making some enquires.

Possibly .... given the fact that so many OKTs are still around after 5 years and are providing incall services. AV can easily raid them but dunno why dont want.

[RegularJoe]

thanks bro style for upping my points...hahaha... you nice chap with that chinese sms stuff...good lah...then we can continue to have our ECA....sui !!!

[ricky69]

To my underdtanding, the AV basically targeting regardless whether streetwalkers or FL in this forum. Many PRC WL working in the legal house went back to China as complaining few business after coming here paying a high agent fees. Their price are not cheap like $100 and $150. Many of us may not afforable compare to FL for only $70, $60 or even $50 only.
As many WL left and the bosses of the legal house wanted to register for new but was rejected by AV. The AV understanding this will not help and first they got to cramp down the FL issue before they release new application. FL.
Look like more raids expecting coming weeks.

[Hot&Spicy]

Anyway 1 tip for the FL u can tell them, Try to meet up with the cust and book a new room,hence u dont ever know what inside the room like the bros here say they hide in the toilet :eek:
This will only reduce the risk but it not 100% safe,cause they can alway change method of approaching FLs and use differ methods
Also bros wont kanna FLs areoplane or wait for 10-30min in hotel for nothing.Also if it dinosaur bros also can reject on site instead of hotel+reject fee.
Maybe there will be prankster but still better then a AV:o

[style.whist]

Anyway 1 tip for the FL u can tell them, Try to meet up with the cust and book a new room,hence u dont ever know what inside the room like the bros here say they hide in the toilet

good idea but provided the hotel staff don't buck up with AV sia

[mydickulike]

these blood suckers AV are like pest, times already so bad, so hard to get FL to service us yet now they come to disturb us!!

[simone]

these blood suckers AV are like pest, times already so bad, so hard to get FL to service us yet now they come to disturb us!!

bro...not related to thread but is the gal in ur avatar a FL...nice

cheers

[pirahna]

Heard from a FL that there were gals taken away at Lor 25 coffeeshop today.

Dun true or not.

[TallMan]

Understand that a pop hotel S in JB/K area very very recently raided and clients acknowledged that their partners were pros and that got the FLs mostly pinoys detained etc. Anyone got details?

[RegularJoe]

went for a bonk at one of the 81s very recently...

after session...i had some time so chatted with the counter staff... i asked if the AV actually rent to rooms, one for holding FLs caught and the other for baiting the FL inside...

according to the counter staff...he denied this happening...he said all that AV does it that they will simply go from door to door to nap FLs in action...

duno if this is true...just reporting what i was told...

[lblittlebear]

I think even it's the truth, the staff at 81 would still deny it.

First - they also afraid that people like us are scare and don't go to 81. Then no business = no jobs

Second - they also afraid of leaking AV info. Scare later kena charged by Police


went for a bonk at one of the 81s very recently...

after session...i had some time so chatted with the counter staff... i asked if the AV actually rent to rooms, one for holding FLs caught and the other for baiting the FL inside...

according to the counter staff...he denied this happening...he said all that AV does it that they will simply go from door to door to nap FLs in action...

duno if this is true...just reporting what i was told...

[spitbreak]

Understand that a pop hotel S in JB/K area very very recently raided and clients acknowledged that their partners were pros and that got the FLs mostly pinoys detained etc. Anyone got details?

can u give me 1 space in your inbox

[lightning]

wow am i late to hear such news as i have been hibernating for so long :confused:

[zack123]

Quite true...one of my regular Pinoy just sent me a msg to say that she had been raided at S hotel where they stay and will be deported. Wat a shame cos i havent had the chance to bonk her since i'm away....sigh. KNN those AV buggers really got nuthing better to do. Economy so bad now want to find ways to release stress also difficult.

[hondasleeper]

One of the most probable reasons why the place got raided, because it was mentioned, specifically in some of the FRs. Just for future reference, please don't post locations in the FRs. We need to be a bit more discrete.

If you want proof of AV, checking out this forum, there's your proof.

[Lauteko]

Anyway, 1st of all, definitely got AV posing as bros here. That, or some OKTs- who are jealous of the popular FLs getting too much attention at ridiculously low pricing- created accounts, wrote fake FRs, grabbed contacts from us and handed them over to the AV.
....
So far, only Freelancers got caught. OKTs and the girls under them all safe. Really make me suspect if OKTs and AV got any linkage or not... Suspect only hor! Although we all know that civil servants also human but our garment thinks, and wants us to think, otherwise.:D

I can't help but agree on this. While OKTs openly gives ctc, their gals never seems get gaught. Maybe b'cos they pays protection monies. FLs who dun pay ends up getting caught. Sillipore getting more n more corrupted. :mad:

[TallMan]

Very very very interesting point! If so, what a shame.

But I don't think it's corruption. Could be a new way to "legalise" them just like the 'legal' whorehouses in GL, Petain, etc.


I can't help but agree on this. While OKTs openly gives ctc, their gals never seems get gaught. Maybe b'cos they pays protection monies. FLs who dun pay ends up getting caught. Sillipore getting more n more corrupted. :mad:

[RealFR]

I can't help but agree on this. While OKTs openly gives ctc, their gals never seems get gaught. Maybe b'cos they pays protection monies. FLs who dun pay ends up getting caught. Sillipore getting more n more corrupted. :mad:

Maybe the OKT are the ones reporting FL to the AV?? Seriously i dun think the AV are so free to go get the FLs in this forum unless someone reported it

[hondasleeper]

Maybe the OKT are the ones reporting FL to the AV?? Seriously i dun think the AV are so free to go get the FLs in this forum unless someone reported it

Wow!! Why would the OKTs spoilt their own ricebowl?? Do you think these guys are that stupid???????

AV are not going to raid a particular place unless it has been mentioned specifically???

Tanjong Pagar, Paramount, Joo Chiat and several other places have been mentioned specifically in some FRs. Have they been raided????????

Answer that for yourselves.

Basically most places that have been mentioned here, have been raided, and if not will probably be raided sometime in the future.

Wake up guys!!!

Please for goodness sake please be more discrete in what you post!!!!

[Aceofspades]

Maybe the OKT are the ones reporting FL to the AV?? Seriously i dun think the AV are so free to go get the FLs in this forum unless someone reported it

My exact sentiments.. But this thread not makes me think twice about going with FLs. What a spoiler.. Why can't they just go for the streetwalkers? There are loads of them everywhere. I thought as long as FLs dont stand around and pester passersby, they should be fine. Sigh..

[hondasleeper]

Wow!! Why would the OKTs spoilt their own ricebowl?? Do you think these guys are that stupid???????

AV are not going to raid a particular place unless it has been mentioned specifically???

Tanjong Pagar, Paramount, Joo Chiat and several other places have been mentioned specifically in some FRs. Have they been raided????????

Answer that for yourselves.

Basically most places that have been mentioned here, have been raided, and if not will probably be raided sometime in the future.

Wake up guys!!!

Please for goodness sake please be more discrete in what you post!!!!

I interpreted what was said about the OKTs wrongly, i re-read and it made sense to me. Sorry my mistake!

[sunhuan-con]

During this bad time AV officers tend to be more working coz they worry of no promotion and pay freeze...Anyway heard that OC of AV is forever a female...Thats why they very onz..

[Cupnoodle]

From a FL victim : AV operation in Clarke Quay too. She was in a club in Clarke Quay one night with some of her gal friend. A guy approached her group and offered them to follow him to his room for some drinking. None of them mention about service, FJ or money to him. They followed him innocently, and was nabbed in the end. Next day they had spent hours in ICA and fate had them to depart SG...

Cheers

[saphire744]

Recently there is a lot of raid at GL.
Heard a PRC jump from 2nd floor hotel on Sat during the raid.
Ambulance was called in.

[ilovelife.now]

True bros.. AV folks are targetting FLs in GL also.. one of my friends booked some one and inside the room when asked for 2 shots she said only one - coz due to frequent raids she got caught last time :(

[KingBaba]

Hi all,

Not only AV but CNB also. some FL are into the high thing and under surveillence so that they can get to their supplier. IRA also looking at the additional non reported income. sigh.. times are really bad, everyone eating someone up just to survive at their jobs.

so not surprise for the frequent raid as must be a joint venture, now got so many mata.
wish the good old days are bad.

Guess now save money the best thing so will not bget caught.

Kingbaba

[lemon3_tea]

Just a warning to all bros,

Nowdays, even the mata also literally camp outside/hotel nearby while waiting for their fishes..

This is my real experience. I was walking towards our love nest with my favorite SYT FL holding my hand, out of nowhere, a mata car sped and stopped infront of us as if we are some criminal !! WTF ! I was thinking SHIT SHIT !

Even mine FL was so panic that she almost wanted to run away ! But I hold her back and told her to remain calm because we haven't even started anything and what is there to be afraid of.

Those idiots are damned rude to us ! My FL was been pulled aside and she was searched; including all the bag in her bag taken out 1 by 1 and questioned what the those things like "mouth wash" etc....

Basically they are also trying to search for CD...but lucky nothing was not found !

Meanwhile I was asked to show my NRIC and questioned who is the gal, what is her name, age and where she stay, did I picked up her from etc and how am I related to her etc......

Told fucking mata that she is a gal that i'm going after ! They don't believe and even asked me what is her DOB ! Lucky I gave them the correct info.

Story cut short, both of us was released after almost 1/2hr of questioning !

What the f#$@ mata !

[style.whist]

Told fucking mata that she is a gal that i'm going after ! They don't believe and even asked me what is her DOB ! Lucky I gave them the correct info.

Story cut short, both of us was released after almost 1/2hr of questioning !

What the f#$@ mata !

good one bro!

[hfark69]

Told fucking mata that she is a gal that i'm going after ! They don't believe and even asked me what is her DOB ! Lucky I gave them the correct info.

Story cut short, both of us was released after almost 1/2hr of questioning !

What the f#$@ mata !

what the f man .... dont they ever pick up a gal from pub or disco??

want to fxxx also need to know DOB? even if wallet/bag got CD also cannot prove anything wat.

Only only I have the guts, maybe I'll just tell them. "See the man with white hair ... thats your father. If got CD means I must fuck, that means any gal with boobs can be your mother."

I tink these AV really too much loh. No prove, they use pressure. :mad:

[zack123]

Just a warning to all bros,

Nowdays, even the mata also literally camp outside/hotel nearby while waiting for their fishes..

This is my real experience. I was walking towards our love nest with my favorite SYT FL holding my hand, out of nowhere, a mata car sped and stopped infront of us as if we are some criminal !! WTF ! I was thinking SHIT SHIT !

Even mine FL was so panic that she almost wanted to run away ! But I hold her back and told her to remain calm because we haven't even started anything and what is there to be afraid of.

Those idiots are damned rude to us ! My FL was been pulled aside and she was searched; including all the bag in her bag taken out 1 by 1 and questioned what the those things like "mouth wash" etc....

Basically they are also trying to search for CD...but lucky nothing was not found !

Meanwhile I was asked to show my NRIC and questioned who is the gal, what is her name, age and where she stay, did I picked up her from etc and how am I related to her etc......

Told fucking mata that she is a gal that i'm going after ! They don't believe and even asked me what is her DOB ! Lucky I gave them the correct info.

Story cut short, both of us was released after almost 1/2hr of questioning !

What the f#$@ mata !

Ask you something....if cannot answer how? Not everyone very confident in front of police mah....will get arrested or not for suspect patronising these unlicenced gals?

Thanks for your advice.

[lemon3_tea]

good one bro!

Those idiots are really looking for all means to nab FL, and that night since I said the lady is my friend and they "LPPL" and so I guess why they asked me her DOB lor.....

Bcos they know most of the time we don't really know/bother to find out what is their DOB mah as that's not our main objective...

[kukuchiao]

I suspect this Kent78 is from AV. 98 posts all asking for ctc. Works only during office hours.

http://www.sammyboyforum.com/3608859-post71.html

Please beware..

[Liquid@cid]

I suspect this Kent78 is from AV. 98 posts all asking for ctc. Works only during office hours.

http://www.sammyboyforum.com/3608859-post71.html

Please beware..

Good observation bro, i beow him veri long liao, but if he is really from AV really disappointed in his IQ :rolleyes: doesn't he noe we can backtrack his postings?????

[RegularJoe]

oh bro...so, you were the one i saw kana questioned by 4 matas...3 male and 1 female...at the alley, about 4pm..tio bo...think it was last week thurs?

i was with a FL as well...brushed by them... at first my FL oso didnt take note...thinking mata maybe handling traffic offences...later she oso got worried becos she saw those matas surrounding your FL ...like damn fierce like dat...

wah dao...nowadays, AV oso part of uniformed cops' duties..sianz...

Just a warning to all bros,

Nowdays, even the mata also literally camp outside/hotel nearby while waiting for their fishes..

This is my real experience. I was walking towards our love nest with my favorite SYT FL holding my hand, out of nowhere, a mata car sped and stopped infront of us as if we are some criminal !! WTF ! I was thinking SHIT SHIT !

Even mine FL was so panic that she almost wanted to run away ! But I hold her back and told her to remain calm because we haven't even started anything and what is there to be afraid of.

[ilovelife.now]

True bros.. AV folks are targetting FLs in GL also.. one of my friends booked some one and inside the room when asked for 2 shots she said only one - coz due to frequent raids she got caught last time :(

Dunno who zapped me - for heavens' sake I am posting warning for other bros.. what the f***?? if u have a problem with my post, pm me with ur id - we can talk - than involving in zap wars.

[Yahoo.com.sg]

I suspect this Kent78 is from AV. 98 posts all asking for ctc. Works only during office hours.

http://www.sammyboyforum.com/3608859-post71.html

Please beware..

Let's see this nick how's he or she going to explain here

[dunicorn]

Possibly the ones who zapped you are the mata !?!? :confused:


Dunno who zapped me - for heavens' sake I am posting warning for other bros.. what the f***?? if u have a problem with my post, pm me with ur id - we can talk - than involving in zap wars.

[howcher]

shit..the more i read, the more scared i get...X.X...now my balls at my throat already...

any advice on wat to do if kena raid..?[ after reading from page 1 to the last page i still dunno wat to do if kena raid ].

my fren every told me if kena raid then police ask who is tat girl,just tell them the truth... any truth behind this..?

[Rico_11]

Something just crossed my mind.. If it is true that AV is targetting SBF, why are the OKTs from FL Dome 1 still surviving? I mean, aren't they an easier and bigger catch since they give out their contact more freely without screening, like most bros here would?

My point is, I'm beginning to doubt that AV really have the time to lay a trap and play the cat and mouse game here in FL DOme 2. Are we just scaring ourselves and let paranoia get the better of us? I don't know.. Just my thoughts..

[psp1000]

Well I believed that as long as we are not OKT we are safe. We are just sharing contact, anything about the deal is btw you and the FL. We did not make arrangement for the gal to meet client, we do not take any commission. We are just sharing FL contacts which is like friends friends sharing numbers of girls. So what offence do we have?

As for Bonking in Hotel, guess they just doing routine check bah, sometime also good, at least the Hotel you go will not be so massy,as you know, those hotel alots of funny people doing funny stuff wah. So one raid catch fews.

[Big Sexy]

mate... you must be living on mars to think that.. i suggest you do a study on the sg law.

We did not make arrangement for the gal to meet client, we do not take any commission. We are just sharing FL contacts which is like friends friends sharing numbers of girls. So what offence do we have?

[allupato1]

Something just crossed my mind.. If it is true that AV is targetting SBF, why are the OKTs from FL Dome 1 still surviving? I mean, aren't they an easier and bigger catch since they give out their contact more freely without screening, like most bros here would?



maybe u can try asking okt from FL Dome 1 why r they surviving:D......

[oldboy69]

hi, a FL's friend witness 3 FLs had kanna at Kovan area. AV fished them all on Monday from this forum.:(

[Liquid@cid]

hi, a FL's friend witness 3 FLs had kanna at Kovan area. AV fished them all on Monday from this forum.:(

you sure is from this forum???? reliable source???

[oldboy69]

you sure is from this forum???? reliable source???

to be samboy, it is honours.bro, no FL likes scare the clients.

[Rico_11]

to be samboy, it is honours.bro, no FL likes scare the clients.

What talking you, bro? What bro Liquid means is whether your statement is from a reliable source or not. It seems more and more unnecessary alarm is being caused from statements like this. Just like in the other thread about raids. Please back up the claims with relevant info.

[youallsonice?]

But seriously honest ba.... this pros, whether FL or under Mafu, thingy was getting real outtahand... They increase = fights increase = thieves, conmen targetting FL increase = illegal cigar increase = illegal gambling increase = drug increase = now AV also increase..

[david lim51]

Wondering why with so much postings on AV targetting the china fls in here,there are still so many samsters keep pushing up their threads?Shouldnt it be keep low profile at the moment till the heat is off?:confused:

[(.)(.) lover]

I do feel that we should not give contact to bro just because their points are high. Posting some nice pictures can give you points easily.

They could be AV asking for contact.

Look at their FR background would be safer but not fool proof.

[spyke84]

I do feel that we should not give contact to bro just because their points are high. Posting some nice pictures can give you points easily.

They could be AV asking for contact.

Look at their FR background would be safer but not fool proof.

what you said is true bro, couldnt agree with u any further.:cool:

[FADLY]

sometimes also depends on luck bro, some kena whereas some don't.

[wetnail]

hehehe, do you gys think that AV will do reverse way? like say- they give away contacts, acting as FL, den swipe you up when you turn up in Hotel room?

Grab your mobile to search through your contacts and message for suspicious contacts?

[Rico_11]

To the coward who zapped me with this comment "So easy to back claims?.Heed advice or ignore><", let me clarify further. When I say back claims, I mean don't anyhow say for eg. "L81 raided today" or "3 FLs from this forum get caught today". These kind of statement are causing unnecessary alarm.

Perhaps you might want to elaborate further with a little bit more details of what you saw. If these kind of statements are accepted, then soon enough we will see more of these posts springing up, just in the name of fun. So yes, my reply to you is, Yes its easy to back claims if what they said really happened. Sorry I couldn't PM you because when you zapped me, you "forgot" to leave your nick.