Action to stop the inflation of local FLs

[KingCheong]

With so many debate going on about the increase in prices for local FL, I think there is enough talk about the grievances that all the brothers out there face, including myself.

Seriously it's actually good that local FLs are so expensive these days because it forces me to stop patronizing them due to the ridiculous fees charged by the respective OKTs. If I really have to, I will just go visit HCs, PRCs or maybe even visit JB for a quick alternative release.

Just 2-3 yrs ago I could engage maximum 2 FLs a month depending the price I pay, usually I will choose FLs between $150 to $250, maximum I'm willing to go to is $300, but those are rare. And I make sure I recover my wallet before going on to the next one. But as the prices for local FLs go up, my frequency of visit drops. As much as I want to, it is just not economically rational for me anymore to engage any local FLs above my budget.

It is not just about economics, I mean every session is about 120 mins (that's the time for each hotel booking) right? But seriously, if we break it down how much time is spent on bonking? Let's see:

FLs generally are late 15-20 mins
Shower - 10 mins
Chit chat / ice-breaking - 5 - 10 mins
Rest after 1st round provided round 2 is permitted - 10 mins

So in all already more than 30 mins of the 2 hrs can be wasted without even touching the FL. That leaves us with what around 90 mins to enjoy. But how many of us actually fully utilise those 90 mins? So to those FLs that charge $300 to even as high as $800 or $1000, it is crazy and I really salute bros who pay that kind of money for less than 90 mins work? With this kind of rates which girl don't want to become FL? And rates as far as I can tell only go up not down.

Best of all, this is a profession that is not supervised and not controlled by any regulator. It is everyone for themselves to grab as much money as they can. So when there's no cap why not charge higher and higher, similar to the BPL player transfer market.

I'm not ashamed to admit, yes I am not a big earner. And looking at the trend very soon I can forget about booking a local FL. So is this going to hurt me more or the FLs and OKTs more? Looking at the growing dissent from bros in this forum I believe I'm not alone, OKTs need to take this seriously IF they want to remain in business. Obviosly they prefer to market their FLs like District 10 landed properties. But only a small portion of the customers here can afford those, bulk of the customers in SBF want to buy HDB flats or maybe condo units. If your a smart OKT you should market your FLs at that price range to capture the MAJORITY of the market share and maybe it will even encourage repeat (RTF) customers for you. One thing I'm quite certain, SBF bros do appreciate an understanding OKT.

But I believe no amount of talk can be compared to hard statistics. So I'm going to start a "I STOPPED BOOKING LOCAL FLs DUE TO SKY ROCKETING PRICE" petition. If you agree and share my above sentiments, just copy and paste my posting and insert your nick below mine. Let's see how far this list can go.

I STOPPED BOOKING LOCAL FLs DUE TO SKY ROCKETING PRICE

1) KingCheong

[newbie23]

I agree with you !!!!

These days, even other FLs are more expensive as compared a few months ago, quite a few still charge at 90/1/1 even though it was for real gem and syt last time.

Some PRC FLs I experienced is that they even want to charge you at real local FL rate just because they are now PRs or Singaporeans :(

Just because they changed IC and now the same hole become more expensive !!!!

I think we need to bring down the prices, be it Fls or HCs/TNs to more realistic levels.

We cannot let even lao go to charge 50 for HJ + 20 for auto-roam.

With so many debate going on about the increase in prices for local FL, I think there is enough talk about the grievances that all the brothers out there face, including myself.

Seriously it's actually good that local FLs are so expensive these days because it forces me to stop patronizing them due to the ridiculous fees charged by the respective OKTs. If I really have to, I will just go visit HCs, PRCs or maybe even visit JB for a quick alternative release.

Just 2-3 yrs ago I could engage maximum 2 FLs a month depending the price I pay, usually I will choose FLs between $150 to $250, maximum I'm willing to go to is $300, but those are rare. And I make sure I recover my wallet before going on to the next one. But as the prices for local FLs go up, my frequency of visit drops. As much as I want to, it is just not economically rational for me anymore to engage any local FLs above my budget.

It is not just about economics, I mean every session is about 120 mins (that's the time for each hotel booking) right? But seriously, if we break it down how much time is spent on bonking? Let's see:

FLs generally are late 15-20 mins
Shower - 10 mins
Chit chat / ice-breaking - 5 - 10 mins
Rest after 1st round provided round 2 is permitted - 10 mins

So in all already more than 30 mins of the 2 hrs can be wasted without even touching the FL. That leaves us with what around 90 mins to enjoy. But how many of us actually fully utilise those 90 mins? So to those FLs that charge $300 to even as high as $800 or $1000, it is crazy and I really salute bros who pay that kind of money for less than 90 mins work? With this kind of rates which girl don't want to become FL? And rates as far as I can tell only go up not down.

Best of all, this is a profession that is not supervised and not controlled by any regulator. It is everyone for themselves to grab as much money as they can. So when there's no cap why not charge higher and higher, similar to the BPL player transfer market.

I'm not ashamed to admit, yes I am not a big earner. And looking at the trend very soon I can forget about booking a local FL. So is this going to hurt me more or the FLs and OKTs more? Looking at the growing dissent from bros in this forum I believe I'm not alone, OKTs need to take this seriously IF they want to remain in business. Obviosly they prefer to market their FLs like District 10 landed properties. But only a small portion of the customers here can afford those, bulk of the customers in SBF want to buy HDB flats or maybe condo units. If your a smart OKT you should market your FLs at that price range to capture the MAJORITY of the market share and maybe it will even encourage repeat (RTF) customers for you. One thing I'm quite certain, SBF bros do appreciate an understanding OKT.

But I believe no amount of talk can be compared to hard statistics. So I'm going to start a "I STOPPED BOOKING LOCAL FLs DUE TO SKY ROCKETING PRICE" petition. If you agree and share my above sentiments, just copy and paste my posting and insert your nick below mine. Let's see how far this list can go.

I STOPPED BOOKING LOCAL FLs DUE TO SKY ROCKETING PRICE

1) KingCheong

[g_aberlado]

I support bro. With less demand prices will fall.

[virginlovers]

I STOPPED BOOKING LOCAL FLs DUE TO SKY ROCKETING PRICE

1) KingCheong
2) virginlovers

[KingCheong]

I STOPPED BOOKING LOCAL FLs DUE TO SKY ROCKETING PRICE

1) KingCheong
2) virginlovers

thanks for supporting

[SmallLipLover]

I usually do not do any postings but after reading your threat. I disagree with you. Respecting a lady is very important. If OKTs are to bring down the prices, what will the FLs eat?

The FLs, on the other hand, sacrifices their body to satisfy our needs in order to survive the streets and here you are putting this stupid, "bo liao" petition? I do not think any girls on the streets are doing FL jobs willingly unless they have gone insanely mad or have brain damage.

By putting this petition, you are either selfish or you do no have any respect for yourself. OKTs may not need to voice this out to you because I think they feel it is a waste of time trying to type out anything to defend their "stables" or themselves to you. Your comments totally put me off.

Honestly, I do not treat FLs as HDB/Condo properties. Why? Because there's no inflation to start with. Your stupid theory is nothing but a bunch of senseless calculation. Local FLs are definitely more costly because they are local. If you like taking properties as comparison, let's take Australia for instant, shall we?

Does Australia's private property cost more than Singapore properties? No. (Local are more expensive)
Does Australia's cars cost more than Singapore? No.
(A second hand car cost only A$3000)
Even our neighbor, Malaysia's property and cars are cheaper than Singapore.

So if you convert the currencies, overseas properties are still cheaper. So what stupid argument is this petition going to gain?Nothing. Why? Because people like us will not think that local FLs are "that" expensive. If OKTs charge high ($800-$1500), probably the FL really has that quality which we can't afford and probably only entertain expatriates. The FL will probably give YOU the stare :eek: if you engage them. In their mind, they'll probably think that you are one dumb Singaporean who tries her while getting your pocket burnt. OR, maybe you are really loaded then the FL will give you a better impression. But to me, it seems like you are not the latter. If not, you will not even post this threat in SBF.

Local FLs has price range from $180-$300 and they are good IF you do your homework well. And to me again, it seems like you are one lazy fellow who did not do your homework well and definitely a turn off for me.

Why do I take the liberty to type this out?
Because I feel that this threat needs to be justified for OKTs and FLs. Only people like you will think there's an inflation of local FLs. You are a total disgrace to the SBF society.


-Peace out-

[goodu]

the only way to stop:

1. Quit visiting FL
2. Find yourself a proper gf/wife/fb = free bonk

problem solved.

For me, i am tired of visiting FL already.

[Mictan]

Well said, Read my signature.

[g_rider]

agree that this is a simple matter of supply and demand.

a smart OKT should simply offer quality FLs at a reasonable price (i.e. a slight discount to the current market inflation).

and the demand will certainly be there. those who have studied basic economics knows, however, that the curve may not shift straight away, but with enough demand, it absolutely will and prices should fall in line.

just over the last few months Pinoys charging what K-gals used to -> and in turn, KFLs necessarily must go from 150 -> 180 to 200. Local FLs think of nothing to charging 200, 300 or even 450 to 1,000+! These price increases have no basis or justification unless the demand is there to sustain it.

the power is in our hands, and i agree we should begin exercising this power.

should we pay a fair and reasonable price for quality of service? of course! but the current price trend with arbitrary pricing levels are out of line.

[bigg13]

I totally agree with TS.

Lets all pledge our boycott here..

let those OKT know we mean business.

we will boycott till the price comes down.

[hilikus]

I usually do not do any postings but after reading your threat. I disagree with you. Respecting a lady is very important. If OKTs are to bring down the prices, what will the FLs eat?
our poor local FLs need every cent they earn to buy rice, and not designer handbags/branded goods/expensive handphones right?

also, if local FLs must be paid more so that they can "eat", then foreign FLs no need to eat meh?

and inflation means the increase in price, especially when the price increase exceeds the increase in value i.e. things are becoming more and more overpriced. no need to confuse everyone with complicated/weird logic.

we are men. men naturally crave for variety. if local FLs increase in price while foreign FLs stay the same, we will be forced constrain ourselves to foreign FLs in order to get the same number of fucks. but in the end we still suffer because now we have lesser variety. by increasing the price, brothers here are suffering.

sure, FLs do the dirty work, but in the end it is all the brothers here who give them business and keep this industry alive. for that i think we deserve a bit better, and a bit of respect ourselves.

[Mael]

I seldom post myself but I cant help replying to the sheer arrogance and stupidity of your post. In fact I suspect you are possibly mildly retarded.



I usually do not do any postings but after reading your threat. I disagree with you. Respecting a lady is very important. If OKTs are to bring down the prices, what will the FLs eat?

Try some honest labour, FLs are not handicapped. If they choose this line its because they want fast and easy money, should we give them the easiest route? No one gets it easy in todays' society.

The FLs, on the other hand, sacrifices their body to satisfy our needs in order to survive the streets and here you are putting this stupid, "bo liao" petition? I do not think any girls on the streets are doing FL jobs willingly unless they have gone insanely mad or have brain damage.

Sacrifices their body? They probably dont even value it in the first fucking place to place material goods over it. And dont give me crap about having to survive and eat. This is a foolish argument in modern day singapore where you can easily survive on working on something as simple as in a factory. You are ignorant if you think the girls on the street are not doing it willingly. A lot of whom I know are doing it for the more luxurious things in life, namely designer gear and nice places to stay in. Fucking ignorant twit you are.

By putting this petition, you are either selfish or you do no have any respect for yourself. OKTs may not need to voice this out to you because I think they feel it is a waste of time trying to type out anything to defend their "stables" or themselves to you. Your comments totally put me off.

Try to stop attempting to be some knight in white shining armour, it's disgusting and merely shows how much of an arrogant idiot you are.

Honestly, I do not treat FLs as HDB/Condo properties. Why? Because there's no inflation to start with. Your stupid theory is nothing but a bunch of senseless calculation. Local FLs are definitely more costly because they are local. If you like taking properties as comparison, let's take Australia for instant, shall we?

Marry them then. Or do you not hire them for sex? And a comparison of prostitutes to properties based on varied economies is so incredibly stupid I could hardly breathe after reading your post.

Does Australia's private property cost more than Singapore properties? No. (Local are more expensive)
Does Australia's cars cost more than Singapore? No.
(A second hand car cost only A$3000)
Even our neighbor, Malaysia's property and cars are cheaper than Singapore.

See the above. Repeat: You are a numbskull of the highest caliber

So if you convert the currencies, overseas properties are still cheaper. So what stupid argument is this petition going to gain?Nothing. Why? Because people like us will not think that local FLs are "that" expensive. If OKTs charge high ($800-$1500), probably the FL really has that quality which we can't afford and probably only entertain expatriates. The FL will probably give YOU the stare :eek: if you engage them. In their mind, they'll probably think that you are one dumb Singaporean who tries her while getting your pocket burnt. OR, maybe you are really loaded then the FL will give you a better impression. But to me, it seems like you are not the latter. If not, you will not even post this threat in SBF.

Im losing steam after absorbing more of your stupidity, spell thread properly.

Local FLs has price range from $180-$300 and they are good IF you do your homework well. And to me again, it seems like you are one lazy fellow who did not do your homework well and definitely a turn off for me.

Why do I take the liberty to type this out?
Because I feel that this threat needs to be justified for OKTs and FLs. Only people like you will think there's an inflation of local FLs. You are a total disgrace to the SBF society.

And you are an absolute fucking cunt sucking arrogant nimwit. I can only hope you do not have children to pass on your genes.

[xchange]

Agree with TS.
Best way is in fact INACTION-do nothing,totally ignore them.
Nowadays I do not even open up and read any threads or posting about local FL's and i thinks the prices are ridiculous.

If nobody read their threads and there are no enquiries, things will logically follow.

In fact I don't mind if there are no local FL's at all, as I think local girls can and should find better ways to earn a living.

[Mael]

our poor local FLs need every cent they earn to buy rice, and not designer handbags/branded goods/expensive handphones right?

also, if local FLs must be paid more so that they can "eat", then foreign FLs no need to eat meh?

and inflation means the increase in price, especially when the price increase exceeds the increase in value i.e. things are becoming more and more overpriced. no need to confuse everyone with complicated/weird logic.

we are men. men naturally crave for variety. if local FLs increase in price while foreign FLs stay the same, we will be forced constrain ourselves to foreign FLs in order to get the same number of fucks. but in the end we still suffer because now we have lesser variety. by increasing the price, brothers here are suffering.

sure, FLs do the dirty work, but in the end it is all the brothers here who give them business and keep this industry alive. for that i think we deserve a bit better, and a bit of respect ourselves.

I shouldnt have replied to a brain dead cunt like him, and I think no one should level themselves to his stupidity either by engaging in an argument with him. He probably has forgotten a portion of the high prices go right to the OKT.

[Reoxy]

I usually do not do any postings but after reading your threat. I disagree with you. Respecting a lady is very important. If OKTs are to bring down the prices, what will the FLs eat?
-Peace out-

Many senior bros here also do not do many postings and they are much, much more senior than you. No biggie. Respecting a lady IS important but respecting one ownself is MORE important. When SBS jack up the price and many Singaporeans complain, did you step-in to defend SBS by writing in to Straits Times and say "If SBS bring down the fares, what will the bus drivers, the managers, the CEO eat?"

The FLs, on the other hand, sacrifices their body to satisfy our needs in order to survive the streets and here you are putting this stupid, "bo liao" petition? I do not think any girls on the streets are doing FL jobs willingly unless they have gone insanely mad or have brain damage.

Who don't have to make sacrifices? Do you respect the foreign workers who come here from our neighbouring poor countries to sacrifice time with their families and work as construction workers and earn meagre wages and live in smelly quarters? They are not only selling their bodies but also their blood, their souls and their self-respect. So DO YOU RESPECT THEM or do you hold your breadth when you are in the same lift with them?

By putting this petition, you are either selfish or you do no have any respect for yourself. OKTs may not need to voice this out to you because I think they feel it is a waste of time trying to type out anything to defend their "stables" or themselves to you. Your comments totally put me off.

Yes indeed TS is very selfish. But it is in line with the SBF spirit that this forum was originally built upon: Sharing valuable information with fellow samsters so that everyone can learn from everyone and everybody make less mistakes at the expense of those who took advantage of us samsters. TS is selfish for the sake of fellow samsters. By saying TS has no self-respect is saying that to most of us samsters here in this forum. Maybe you are an OKT who is guilty of TS's accusations?

Honestly, I do not treat FLs as HDB/Condo properties. Why? Because there's no inflation to start with. Your stupid theory is nothing but a bunch of senseless calculation. Local FLs are definitely more costly because they are local.

If TS's theory is stupid, yours is even more laughable. What kind of logic is "Local FLs more costly just because they are local"? I assume you are a working professional so between you and an Ang Moh vying for the same job, who you think will command a higher pay? Assuming you, the Ang Moh and a Chinese is vying for the same job and all of you are equally capable, who you think your boss will higher and why? Since you can come up with above statement I assume I need to give you the answer: The Chinese because he can do the same job for less! You try argue with your reasoning and see how.

If you like taking properties as comparison, let's take Australia for instant, shall we?

Does Australia's private property cost more than Singapore properties? No. (Local are more expensive)
Pls check out the prices again and compare apple to apple. Location, amenities, tax, convenience etc then present and convince us that you are right because right now, you are not.

Does Australia's cars cost more than Singapore? No.
(A second hand car cost only A$3000)
You are very sad. You should check out why so. Maybe you can ask Singapore government why they tax so much on cars, why COE so expensive, why petrol they don't subsidize...

Even our neighbor, Malaysia's property and cars are cheaper than Singapore.
Malaysia FLs are also cheaper than Singapore's so this statement is helping TS.

So if you convert the currencies, overseas properties are still cheaper. So what stupid argument is this petition going to gain?Nothing. Why? Because people like us will not think that local FLs are "that" expensive. If OKTs charge high ($800-$1500), probably the FL really has that quality which we can't afford and probably only entertain expatriates.
Then why the OKTs don't make things clear for us? If they can bother to write such detailed advertisements and have such fancy websites and can even bother to register multiple accounts and role-play as customers who write super nice FRs, they would/ should probably have the time time indicate: High-Class FL. Serves Expats Only. Casion-Style. Locals pls pay $100 more Tax.

The FL will probably give YOU the stare :eek: if you engage them. In their mind, they'll probably think that you are one dumb Singaporean who tries her while getting your pocket burnt. OR, maybe you are really loaded then the FL will give you a better impression. But to me, it seems like you are not the latter. If not, you will not even post this threat in SBF.
Pls do not look down on fellow samsters. I know many loaded samsters who posts such things in SBF not because they cannot afford anymore but because they CARE for fellow samsters and FEEL that they should take the lead and stand up against unreasonable practices. On the other hand, so what if TS is not loaded. So you mean only rich people can complain? Do not forget that all great countries/ economies/ inventions are built upon the sweat and blood of the common man. Many rich people also started off with something insignificant. TS may not be loaded now but who is to say he won't be loaded in the future?

Local FLs has price range from $180-$300 and they are good IF you do your homework well. And to me again, it seems like you are one lazy fellow who did not do your homework well and definitely a turn off for me.
I think you are the one not doing your homework. TS already made it clear he is willing to budget up to $300. He is complaining about those charging much higher than this with no apparent value-add factors and he is worried that even those below the $300 may follow suit in the future and price themselves out of reach. TS is trying to nip the problem before it blossoms into a thorn in the butt just like you.

Why do I take the liberty to type this out?
This is the internet. You have liberty to do any fuck shit you like. I think you mean to say taking the "trouble". Maybe you should check and re-check again to make your thoughts crystal clear. I am taking the trouble because I cannot sleep.

Because I feel that this threat needs to be justified for OKTs and FLs. Only people like you will think there's an inflation of local FLs. You are a total disgrace to the SBF society.
Of course you feel the need. You are the OKT who has a stable of FLs. Pls stop using the name of the entire SBF community (It is not society. Pls check dictionary to understand the distinction or the disgrace will be on you.) to hurl personal attacks to fellow genuine samsters. Personal attacks should, as the term implies, be kept personal.

[Reoxy]

I usually do not do any postings but after reading your threat. I disagree with you. Respecting a lady is very important. If OKTs are to bring down the prices, what will the FLs eat?
-Peace out-

Many senior bros here also do not do many postings and they are much, much more senior than you. No biggie. Respecting a lady IS important but respecting one ownself is MORE important. When SBS jack up the price and many Singaporeans complain, did you step-in to defend SBS by writing in to Straits Times and say "If SBS bring down the fares, what will the bus drivers, the managers, the CEO eat?"

The FLs, on the other hand, sacrifices their body to satisfy our needs in order to survive the streets and here you are putting this stupid, "bo liao" petition? I do not think any girls on the streets are doing FL jobs willingly unless they have gone insanely mad or have brain damage.

Who don't have to make sacrifices? Do you respect the foreign workers who come here from our neighbouring poor countries to sacrifice time with their families and work as construction workers and earn meagre wages and live in smelly quarters? They are not only selling their bodies but also their blood, their souls and their self-respect. So DO YOU RESPECT THEM or do you hold your breadth when you are in the same lift with them?

By putting this petition, you are either selfish or you do no have any respect for yourself. OKTs may not need to voice this out to you because I think they feel it is a waste of time trying to type out anything to defend their "stables" or themselves to you. Your comments totally put me off.

Yes indeed TS is very selfish. But it is in line with the SBF spirit that this forum was originally built upon: Sharing valuable information with fellow samsters so that everyone can learn from everyone and everybody make less mistakes at the expense of those who took advantage of us samsters. TS is selfish for the sake of fellow samsters. By saying TS has no self-respect is saying that to most of us samsters here in this forum. Maybe you are an OKT who is guilty of TS's accusations?

[Reoxy]

I usually do not do any postings but after reading your threat. I disagree with you. Respecting a lady is very important. If OKTs are to bring down the prices, what will the FLs eat?
-Peace out-

Many senior bros here also do not do many postings and they are much, much more senior than you. No biggie. Respecting a lady IS important but respecting one ownself is MORE important. When SBS jack up the price and many Singaporeans complain, did you step-in to defend SBS by writing in to Straits Times and say "If SBS bring down the fares, what will the bus drivers, the managers, the CEO eat?"

The FLs, on the other hand, sacrifices their body to satisfy our needs in order to survive the streets and here you are putting this stupid, "bo liao" petition? I do not think any girls on the streets are doing FL jobs willingly unless they have gone insanely mad or have brain damage.

Who don't have to make sacrifices? Do you respect the foreign workers who come here from our neighbouring poor countries to sacrifice time with their families and work as construction workers and earn meagre wages and live in smelly quarters? They are not only selling their bodies but also their blood, their souls and their self-respect. So DO YOU RESPECT THEM or do you hold your breadth when you are in the same lift with them?

By putting this petition, you are either selfish or you do no have any respect for yourself. OKTs may not need to voice this out to you because I think they feel it is a waste of time trying to type out anything to defend their "stables" or themselves to you. Your comments totally put me off.

Yes indeed TS is very selfish. But it is in line with the SBF spirit that this forum was originally built upon: Sharing valuable information with fellow samsters so that everyone can learn from everyone and everybody make less mistakes at the expense of those who took advantage of us samsters. TS is selfish for the sake of fellow samsters. By saying TS has no self-respect is saying that to most of us samsters here in this forum. Maybe you are an OKT who is guilty of TS's accusations?

Honestly, I do not treat FLs as HDB/Condo properties. Why? Because there's no inflation to start with. Your stupid theory is nothing but a bunch of senseless calculation. Local FLs are definitely more costly because they are local.

If TS's theory is stupid, yours is even more laughable. What kind of logic is "Local FLs more costly just because they are local"? I assume you are a working professional so between you and an Ang Moh vying for the same job, who you think will command a higher pay? Assuming you, the Ang Moh and a Chinese is vying for the same job and all of you are equally capable, who you think your boss will higher and why? Since you can come up with above statement I assume I need to give you the answer: The Chinese because he can do the same job for less! You try argue with your reasoning and see how.

If you like taking properties as comparison, let's take Australia for instant, shall we?

Does Australia's private property cost more than Singapore properties? No. (Local are more expensive)
Pls check out the prices again and compare apple to apple. Location, amenities, tax, convenience etc then present and convince us that you are right because right now, you are not.

Does Australia's cars cost more than Singapore? No.
(A second hand car cost only A$3000)
You are very sad. You should check out why so. Maybe you can ask Singapore government why they tax so much on cars, why COE so expensive, why petrol they don't subsidize...

Even our neighbor, Malaysia's property and cars are cheaper than Singapore.
Malaysia FLs are also cheaper than Singapore's so this statement is helping TS.

So if you convert the currencies, overseas properties are still cheaper. So what stupid argument is this petition going to gain?Nothing. Why? Because people like us will not think that local FLs are "that" expensive. If OKTs charge high ($800-$1500), probably the FL really has that quality which we can't afford and probably only entertain expatriates.
Then why the OKTs don't make things clear for us? If they can bother to write such detailed advertisements and have such fancy websites and can even bother to register multiple accounts and role-play as customers who write super nice FRs, they would/ should probably have the time time indicate: High-Class FL. Serves Expats Only. Casion-Style. Locals pls pay $100 more Tax.

The FL will probably give YOU the stare :eek: if you engage them. In their mind, they'll probably think that you are one dumb Singaporean who tries her while getting your pocket burnt. OR, maybe you are really loaded then the FL will give you a better impression. But to me, it seems like you are not the latter. If not, you will not even post this threat in SBF.
Pls do not look down on fellow samsters. I know many loaded samsters who posts such things in SBF not because they cannot afford anymore but because they CARE for fellow samsters and FEEL that they should take the lead and stand up against unreasonable practices. On the other hand, so what if TS is not loaded. So you mean only rich people can complain? Do not forget that all great countries/ economies/ inventions are built upon the sweat and blood of the common man. Many rich people also started off with something insignificant. TS may not be loaded now but who is to say he won't be loaded in the future?

Local FLs has price range from $180-$300 and they are good IF you do your homework well. And to me again, it seems like you are one lazy fellow who did not do your homework well and definitely a turn off for me.
I think you are the one not doing your homework. TS already made it clear he is willing to budget up to $300. He is complaining about those charging much higher than this with no apparent value-add factors and he is worried that even those below the $300 may follow suit in the future and price themselves out of reach. TS is trying to nip the problem before it blossoms into a thorn in the butt just like you.

Why do I take the liberty to type this out?
This is the internet. You have liberty to do any fuck shit you like. I think you mean to say taking the "trouble". Maybe you should check and re-check again to make your thoughts crystal clear.

Because I feel that this threat needs to be justified for OKTs and FLs. Only people like you will think there's an inflation of local FLs. You are a total disgrace to the SBF society.
Of course you feel the need. You are the OKT who has a stable of FLs. Pls stop using the name of the entire SBF community (It is not society. Pls check dictionary to understand the distinction or the disgrace will be on you.) to hurl personal attacks to fellow genuine samsters. Personal attacks should, as the term implies, be kept personal.

[Ken80]

Originally Posted by SmallLipLover
I usually do not do any postings but after reading your threat. I disagree with you. Respecting a lady is very important. If OKTs are to bring down the prices, what will the FLs eat?


haha clone okt? :p
totally agreed with TS but what to do even we boycott them that are still a lot of rich bros here will support them:p
So, Okt will not mind one as long got customer may even look down on us no money don bonk loh attitude

Sometime is more to the wasting of money few hundred more for 1 hour of pleasure is it worth it?:confused:

[aikoN III]

Why local more expensive ? Cos there is a limited number of local girls coming out to work than those from China/Thai... ratio can say about 1:15 ?

Especially those local who are good in looks and services, they definately can/shall/will ask for a higher price mah ....

Also now and last time different ... every price go up... inflation lah

[KingCheong]

Thanks for all the responses so far, I am glad to see so many passionate replies from all parties. I expected there will be a group who is going to contest and even zapp me for starting this thread. And I was right. Difficult it may seem, my intentions is actually to serve the brudders, FLs and OKTs here provided you get my message.

The problem as I mentioned earlier is this biz is non-regulated simply cos it cannot see light. Everyone operating in it can do whatever they want cos nobody controls them. If I am an OKT, sure if all my girls can command minimum $300 per sesion, wahh ho-seh-liao! It's good news for the OKTs and FLs. But as the trend already indicates the prices only go up and sooner, as it already happened, will force out the customers who can't afford the price.

When that happens, every FL knowing that the market can still 'afford' the high fees will naturally want to charge more! And if the FL can't get the price she wants she will just jump to another who can promise her that. So obviously the OKT wanting to secure more fresh blood will give in to her. But is that how it should work?

1stly let's not forget, the OKTs only need to bear certain advertising costs either to recruit girls or advertise in SBF plus their handphone bill. So their operating costs is minimised. They certainly do not need to pay tax! And majority of the operating costs like (booking hotel, condom, transportation) is absorbed by the bros or the FLs. 2ndly, as fees for the FLs go up yet there is no assurance of quality in the girls at all. Usually we can only 'assume' what the OKT described in their thread plus a few faceless pictures.

So if this trend persist, it will no longer be profitable to 'advertise' for biz in SBF cos not many brudders wish to pay that kind of money for < 90mins bonk. So (1) SBF advertising revenue drop! (2) OKT cannot find biz in SBF and I predict they will increase price even higher to cover their 'losses'. Or with less customers FLs will want to charge more because it gets more competitive. Whatever it is the average brudder can forget about booking such expensive local meat. Even if they try to target the super rich and foreigners for biz, sooner or later they will be 'threatened' when price goes up 20 or 40% and maybe think twice before booking. So imagine all the OKTs fighting for 30% share of the super rich pie when there is a huge 70% 'brudder market share' waiting for them here.

Ok I admit my statistics are not scientific, it is more for illustration. But I believe soon many girls will not be able to join as FLs cos no OKT can sell an average looking girl at premium price of $500 onwards and not get whacked for it. But I would also like to state one thing, I hope OKTs don't provide 'poor quality girls' for us average samsters just to earn our money. Because that will only destroy your reputation and business. Let's just say I myself met several high priced FLs whom I personally feel does not justify the price I paid. From what I've seen, there are now fewer and fewer FR contributions from brudders here yet the advertisements are always repeating.

[Oneminman]

Totally agree with TS..
一分钱,一分货.
But i dun tink those tat are worth $800-$1000 with their face and body worth tat much..Unless its a celebrity den i nothing to say...Cos they gt a reputation to cover if it gets leak out that they are doing FL's..:D

Advertising is free they can say watever they wan like looks like a devil or angel but in fact most of the FR's in here are either OKT's themselves create duplicate wan to post to say until they are like god but when u see 1 person say like shit den u know there is something wrong already.:mad:

Dun think alot of Honest OKT's here anyway...Might as well engage Thai FL's more worth it and more service..:D

[Reoxy]

Bro KingCheong,

Actually I suggest you don't worry so much because it is very likely that your advice will go unheeded because you are but one voice.

I am sure things will sort themselves out as they usually does: Price climb and climb, more and more FLs/ OKTs come in to get a piece of the cake, less and less customers can afford, either price will fall back down or the quality have to increase. Either way it will balance itself given time.

I mean frankly if a local is charging $1K, I suggest bros here to seriously consider just use this money fly to Dongguan. Can stay in nice hotel and CHOOSE (meaning u can see and touch to make sure you get what you want) from HUNDREDS (there are probably thousands by that's all my field of vision can cover) of beautiful young women.

If some bros really want to spend more for quality, why not go to Thailand or Philippines or China where the C grade actresses/ models can go for roughly SGD 2K - 3K.

[scanne]

It is not a easy job to control lust.

I believe that the inflated prices are caused by various matters including demand from fellow SBF bros.

I myself cut down on going FLs too, but there is nothing much we can do about the prices.

Personally, i feel that its a better method if FRs aren't overrated. Yes i do understand different sbf bros have different standards. But if a bro get zapped a few times for an unrealistic FR, i thought that would be the best way out.

Alot of my fellow SBF bros, just curse and swear at unrealistic FRs and do nothing about it.
Most of it rather not write lousy FRs in order to get in good terms with OKTs.
So should we do something about unrealistic FRs?

My 2 cents

[jasper78]

agree:):):)
save money go oversea bonking and live like a king better...

[billgate]

Want cheap locals? chatroom have.

[*chantel*]

With so many debate going on about the increase in prices for local FL, I think there is enough talk about the grievances that all the brothers out there face, including myself.

Seriously it's actually good that local FLs are so expensive these days because it forces me to stop patronizing them due to the ridiculous fees charged by the respective OKTs. If I really have to, I will just go visit HCs, PRCs or maybe even visit JB for a quick alternative release.

Just 2-3 yrs ago I could engage maximum 2 FLs a month depending the price I pay, usually I will choose FLs between $150 to $250, maximum I'm willing to go to is $300, but those are rare. And I make sure I recover my wallet before going on to the next one. But as the prices for local FLs go up, my frequency of visit drops. As much as I want to, it is just not economically rational for me anymore to engage any local FLs above my budget.

It is not just about economics, I mean every session is about 120 mins (that's the time for each hotel booking) right? But seriously, if we break it down how much time is spent on bonking? Let's see:

FLs generally are late 15-20 mins
Shower - 10 mins
Chit chat / ice-breaking - 5 - 10 mins
Rest after 1st round provided round 2 is permitted - 10 mins

So in all already more than 30 mins of the 2 hrs can be wasted without even touching the FL. That leaves us with what around 90 mins to enjoy. But how many of us actually fully utilise those 90 mins? So to those FLs that charge $300 to even as high as $800 or $1000, it is crazy and I really salute bros who pay that kind of money for less than 90 mins work? With this kind of rates which girl don't want to become FL? And rates as far as I can tell only go up not down.

Best of all, this is a profession that is not supervised and not controlled by any regulator. It is everyone for themselves to grab as much money as they can. So when there's no cap why not charge higher and higher, similar to the BPL player transfer market.

I'm not ashamed to admit, yes I am not a big earner. And looking at the trend very soon I can forget about booking a local FL. So is this going to hurt me more or the FLs and OKTs more? Looking at the growing dissent from bros in this forum I believe I'm not alone, OKTs need to take this seriously IF they want to remain in business. Obviosly they prefer to market their FLs like District 10 landed properties. But only a small portion of the customers here can afford those, bulk of the customers in SBF want to buy HDB flats or maybe condo units. If your a smart OKT you should market your FLs at that price range to capture the MAJORITY of the market share and maybe it will even encourage repeat (RTF) customers for you. One thing I'm quite certain, SBF bros do appreciate an understanding OKT.

But I believe no amount of talk can be compared to hard statistics. So I'm going to start a "I STOPPED BOOKING LOCAL FLs DUE TO SKY ROCKETING PRICE" petition. If you agree and share my above sentiments, just copy and paste my posting and insert your nick below mine. Let's see how far this list can go.

I STOPPED BOOKING LOCAL FLs DUE TO SKY ROCKETING PRICE

1) KingCheong

As a local FL, I take offence at your generalisation and stereo-typing, in actual fact, for local FLs, the inverse is actually true cos we have to keep lowering our prices plus at the same time fork out money to get more costumes in order to entice the customers while at the same time competing with foreign FLs in terms of pricing and do note one other fact, we local independent FLs do also pay a monthly advertising fee to SBF in order to advertise here just like the okts but at the same time we are priced relatively lower than most girls provided by most okts.

So, after taking into account all the expenses for advertising, costumes, dry-cleaning for certain costumes, transport, phone bills for bookings and condoms, how much do you think we actually make? Hence, it's extremely unfair of you to ask everyone to boycott local FLs just simply based on your unfounded generalisation. If your issue is with overpriced local FLs then shouldn't you state your petition heading as such instead of just simply leaving it as such? As overpriced seems to be the keyword but in your current heading local seems to be the keyword instead so it gives the misconception that local = overpriced = boycott when not all local FLs are overpriced.

[mr_missile]

one other fact, we local independent FLs do also pay a monthly advertising fee to SBF in order to advertise here.

So, after taking into account all the expenses for advertising, costumes, dry-cleaning for certain costumes, transport, phone bills for bookings and condoms, how much do you think we actually make?

TS started the thread because he thinks he is not getting value for his money. He, like everyone else, has a choice and nobody is pointing a gun at his head that he must engage a local FL's service if the price is not according to his budget.

You have also said your piece. Guess if all that what you said is true, it's really tough trying to survive being a local FL huh? Ever thought of quitting? You also have a choice.

[petrolheadsg]

And you are an absolute fucking cunt sucking arrogant nimwit. I can only hope you do not have children to pass on your genes.

Hahaha how true...SmalllipLover has just proved clearly how intellectually deficient he is. Thankfully (for him) his ego (and will to ignore the obvious truth about himself) is able to safeguard him from throwing himself off a building in shame. :-)

[*chantel*]

TS started the thread because he thinks he is not getting value for his money. He has a choice and nobody is pointing a gun at his head that he must engage a local FL's service if the price is not according to his budget.

You have also said your piece. Guess if all that what you said is true, it's really tough trying to survive being a local FL huh? Ever thought of quitting?

That is true, but my issue is with him asking bros to boycott local FLs instead of being specific such as stating OVERPRICED local FLs, how much effort would it take to just type in an additional word so that it wouldn't bring about more misconception? I have no issue with him only seeking foreign girls, cos for some bros here conversation is not a necessity, hence mai roo, mai kao jai, mai bpen rai, where conversation is not needed, ar rai gor dai yeah? But there's no need to boycott all local FLs just because some are deemed to be overpriced.

Of cos I have thought about quitting and I would be doing so once I have cleared my debts, and just incase others start asking me why don't I just get a regular job with a fixed monthly income instead of being an FL, that's cos I gotta pay a fixed amount for my debts monthly, an amount that a fresh grad in a regular job wouldn't be able to make. I only bother responding cos his posting would indirectly affect my business (when I am not overpriced to begin with) then wouldn't it take me longer to clear my debts and quit the FL scene then?

[mr_missile]

Of cos I have thought about quitting and I would be doing so once I have cleared my debts,

that's cos I gotta pay a fixed amount for my debts monthly, an amount that a fresh grad in a regular job wouldn't be able to make.

Guess it is not that tough after all. :rolleyes:

[*chantel*]

Guess it is not that tough after all. :rolleyes:

Before saying that, have you ever had to fuck someone who stinks even after taking a shower? While smiling through it all? How do you even tell someone diplomatically that he stinks when he's a paying client. And do you think it's easy and not tiring if you have to take about 6 clients a day just so as to not overprice yourself? Or getting roughed up by certain clients and not being able to do anything about it for fear of getting a bad FR?

[SmallLipLover]

Go ahead and boycott then. I still believe prices will not drop. That's the matter of fact. Go ahead and prove me wrong. :)

[mr_missile]

Before saying that, have you ever had to fuck someone who stinks even after taking a shower? While smiling through it all? How do you even tell someone diplomatically that he stinks when he's a paying client. And do you think it's easy and not tiring if you have to take about 6 clients a day just so as to not overprice yourself? Or getting roughed up by certain clients and not being able to do anything about it for fear of getting a bad FR?

I do sympathise with you. When I mentioned that it's not that tough after all, it was meant to say that the money is not too bad after all.

No offense, but, you do have a choice right? I'm sure you may not have thought about what you would have to go through before you chose this path. But after when you are in it and have gone through such bad experiences, and yet choose to be still in it.....it's a choice you make after all right?

This will be my last post here. Not meant to start a flame war with you. Take care and all the best.

[KingCheong]

That is true, but my issue is with him asking bros to boycott local FLs instead of being specific such as stating OVERPRICED local FLs, how much effort would it take to just type in an additional word so that it wouldn't bring about more misconception?

Of cos I have thought about quitting and I would be doing so once I have cleared my debts, and just incase others start asking me why don't I just get a regular job with a fixed monthly income instead of being an FL, that's cos I gotta pay a fixed amount for my debts monthly, an amount that a fresh grad in a regular job wouldn't be able to make.

Dear Chantel,

For one I am very sure I DID NOT ASK ANYBODY TO BOYCOTT LOCAL FLs. What I am stating is the situation caused by inflating local FL fees RESULTING in a drop of patronage and predicting what the impact might be for both parties. And I am garnering people into my list to highlight just how many of us feel the same way too.

I like to say I sympathize your plight that your barely making ends meet, but seriously that isn't my problem. I really don't know how much is enough for you. I am not the cause of you being in debt and I did not, in any way, push you into this trait. You did it out of your own free will thinking being an FL is a short cut to all your problems. Blame nobody that your not earning enough or you can't pay off your debt thru here. And blaming us for making you buy expensive costumes is just lame! If I were to be brutally honest with you, you can't blame the brudders in here for choosing not to engage you.

One bro summed it up nicely, there are plenty of jobs out there and some do pay decent. My point to you is money don't grow on trees both for you and for me either. Booking an FL is a nice to have not a must have, especially so the latter with such crazy prices.

But it is very likely whatever is said here will fall on deaf ears, that's why I hope to see more people add their nicks to my list to see how many in this forum is patronizing local FLs lesser and lesser due to the high prices.

[xxxfungamer]

got $$ then cheong; no $$ then pcc.
i think SBF is meant for sharing of info for cheongster, not complaint & feedback.
maybe shall start a new dome for compaint & feedback only.
its right that nowaday more then 80% fl price are getting higher & higher and all of them are under okt.
so far till now i only visit fl not under any okt because their price are much more reasonable to me.
do any bros know how much we pay go to fl and okt?
because i had visited 1 fl and she charge me $150 for 2shots and she told me that she used to be under okt and the okt charge at much more higher prices and i wouldn't list much here.
(i know i might got the risk been zap by okt here, but i think i must voice out)
and i more thing i notice, i think where their business here not very good, there will be promotion.

[*chantel*]

Dear Chantel,

For one I am very sure I DID NOT ASK ANYBODY TO BOYCOTT LOCAL FLs. What I am stating is the situation caused by inflating local FL fees RESULTING in a drop of patronage and predicting what the impact might be for both parties. And I am garnering people into my list to highlight just how many of us feel the same way too.

I like to say I sympathize your plight that your barely making ends meet, but seriously that isn't my problem. I really don't know how much is enough for you. I am not the cause of you being in debt and I did not, in any way, push you into this trait. You did it out of your own free will thinking being an FL is a short cut to all your problems. Blame nobody that your not earning enough or you can't pay off your debt thru here. And blaming us for making you buy expensive costumes is just lame! If I were to be brutally honest with you, you can't blame the brudders in here for choosing not to engage you.

One bro summed it up nicely, there are plenty of jobs out there and some do pay decent. My point to you is money don't grow on trees both for you and for me either. Booking an FL is a nice to have not a must have, especially so the latter with such crazy prices.

But it is very likely whatever is said here will fall on deaf ears, that's why I hope to see more people add their nicks to my list to see how many in this forum is patronizing local FLs lesser and lesser due to the high prices.

FYI, I didn't blame anyone in my post I only simply stated that it was part of the expenses so stop twisting my words around.

[old_yet_horny]

Dun know whether will get zap for posting this reply or not.. but what the hack.. :p


I think bonking of FL is not a necessity... it is not like rice or utility bills or SMRT fees that direct affects our livelihood... There is alot of different between a need and a want... We book FLs because we want to satify our urge.. We need to eat because we are hungry... see the diff??

So if booking of FLs becomes such a chore and it is burning a big hole in our pocket... just leave it.. Go back and make love to our GF/ Wifey...

On the other hand..

Since some FLs are pricing themselves so high up there which is beyond a cheongster's reach/budget..he should not even be angry at them because its just simply not his category...

I just hope that if 1 day i can afford $1K a pop again ( I used to but not now:().. She better be as good as I can imagine...


U can go to Orchard Central by Bus or Train... You can also take a cab there..Or U can also consider driving ur own car there despite having to pay ERP and expensive acrpark charges... End of the day, its how u wanna get to the place and what you think is the most affordable way...

[harpoon]

I am not sure how this thread gonna help bring down the price of Local FL, or is this supposed to be the intention? Anyway I had patronised several locals before but none are more the $250. I definately felt it's NOT worth paying anything more then $250. I say that becoz, most of those above the 250 range seems to claimed to be of a higher profession...meaning they are either secretary, personal assistants, office exec, models and even an actress. And some even claimed to be undergrads....I was like...wtf, so what?? So what if they are those mentioned above??? Most don't show pics and some even if they do have pictures, it's either 1 pic or pics with no faces. So? If you are bonking a pretty local lady with a curvaceous bod who dresses sexily, does it matter if they are working as a cleaner or an exec?? Does it matter if that lady has only a Prmary School education, O Levels, A Levels or even a degree holder?? Are they going to use all that to determine how much they are going to charge? Even if so, how are WE to know if they are what they claimed to be?? Unless they have to produce whatever papers to justify the fee they are asking upon meet up. I had sessions with some who demand a 200 per her service and I can tell you that at most they are worth only 150 to 180 at most (not to sound crude but that's IMHO). To sum it up, I think really, they are overpriced and because of them, now (if you noticed) even the Pinoys are asking like 120 instead of the usually 90 to 100. PRC are asking on average 80 to 100 instead of the norm of 60 to 70. Well at the end of the day, if we can't afford it, just stay within budget......They are all indeed OVERPRICED!
**If anyone really have to be immature to flame me, I honestly can't help it. Do whatever makes you happy. I speaketh the truth.

[Keane]

I agreed with bro Harpoon totally! What makes these ladies think that they can command such a high price? Not even if they have pussies framed with gold, I'm afraid.

[jaikun1990]

It's all about the consumer really.. If you got money and think is worth it den go loh.. Personally I think it's a waste of money to engage business with OKTs, but to each his own. Must be Singapore got more and more rich guys..

[virginlovers]

only those who r willing to pay >$300 are carrotheads. the moment of pleasure you get with the >$300 category is the same as you can get with <$200 for thai/china/minahs.

[peanut123]

Are you serious ? Paying lots of money for pussy has nothing to do with respect for the lady or for yourself. Why would paying less mean less respect for myself ? It's all economics, not respect.

Unlike TS, I am not advocating boycotting local FLs. I think you should just go for ladies you can afford. But TS has the right to organize a boycott if he so wants. You can also organize a "bang-expensive-locals" if you want too.


I usually do not do any postings but after reading your threat. I disagree with you. Respecting a lady is very important. If OKTs are to bring down the prices, what will the FLs eat?

The FLs, on the other hand, sacrifices their body to satisfy our needs in order to survive the streets and here you are putting this stupid, "bo liao" petition? I do not think any girls on the streets are doing FL jobs willingly unless they have gone insanely mad or have brain damage.

By putting this petition, you are either selfish or you do no have any respect for yourself. OKTs may not need to voice this out to you because I think they feel it is a waste of time trying to type out anything to defend their "stables" or themselves to you. Your comments totally put me off.
---rest deleted for brevity---

-Peace out-

[peanut123]

Please, its just an occupational hazard. Every job has some asshole customers to put up with. Even an executive sitting in an office gets fucked by customers and his boss and has to smile through it all after being verbally abused for 3 straight hours, or risk losing his job. A fireman risks getting killed putting out a fire, and even a taxi-driver risks getting killed in an accident after driving for 8 straight hours.

How is having sex with a stinky guy any worse than any of the above, esp if you are getting paid $150 or more per hour, which I dare say is way above the average salary in Singapore. Your "Oh I'm suffering so much" card just does not work because all the guys in this forum know exactly what is going on.


Before saying that, have you ever had to fuck someone who stinks even after taking a shower? While smiling through it all? How do you even tell someone diplomatically that he stinks when he's a paying client. And do you think it's easy and not tiring if you have to take about 6 clients a day just so as to not overprice yourself? Or getting roughed up by certain clients and not being able to do anything about it for fear of getting a bad FR?

[hotmayle]

Looks like this topic has become quite a debate!

At the end of the day, every job has its risks, benefits and disadvantages, as bro peanut123 has correctly pointed out, and FR's are no different. I'm not for or against boycotting anyone - at the end of the day everyone has to earn a living, and I would not want to affect anyones rice bowl. We're all human.

I think you should know what you can afford, and pay accordingly. You can buy a Honda or a BMW, HDB or condo, omega or timex - if you don't feel local FL's are worth it, you're free to find alternatives - I think there's enough healthy competition in the market...

[undertakerrr]

bro KingCheong,

I agree with you that prices for local FLs are getting higher and higher, and to a certain extend, some are getting out of hand.

Like you, I would also like to voice my displeasure here.

However being said that, I think there are still a small pocket of local FLs who are reasonably priced.

In my mind, I can think of 3 local FLs who are in this category. They are:
Chantel - $120
Sassy (under Oriental Angels) - $180
Natalie - $200

Hence, to heed your call, I will surely boycott local FLs whom I think are overpriced! :mad:

[Mael]

Please, its just an occupational hazard. Every job has some asshole customers to put up with. Even an executive sitting in an office gets fucked by customers and his boss and has to smile through it all after being verbally abused for 3 straight hours, or risk losing his job. A fireman risks getting killed putting out a fire, and even a taxi-driver risks getting killed in an accident after driving for 8 straight hours.

How is having sex with a stinky guy any worse than any of the above, esp if you are getting paid $150 or more per hour, which I dare say is way above the average salary in Singapore. Your "Oh I'm suffering so much" card just does not work because all the guys in this forum know exactly what is going on.

Good point, difficult to argue against this post right here.

[localmonster]

Prices are getting higher, but thats a fact of life. There is no technology today that can mass produce pussies to satisfy everyone for the price of a plate of chicken rice.

Let free market reign, but however we should have a better feedback system (something like hungrygowhere) where there are average ratings on a FL. Every FL should be rated. I was recently told off because i gave a brutally honest feedback on a $300 hooker. If she felt she was worth it so be it, however i didn't and i gave my feedback and in time to come her ratings will be more obvious with more customers.

Also for local FL, we should be able to meet them and then decide if they are worth the money instead of booking hotel rooms and then on top of that pay a rejection fee.

Charge whatever you think your cunt is worth but you will be reviewed by your customers

[KingCheong]

Guys as much as I appreciate your response here, I would like to officially state again for the record, I am NOT advocating any boycott here!
All along my intention is to highlight the plight of fellow brudders here caused by the inflating prices of local FLs without any reasonable cause, and to gather a list of brudders here who, like me, had to reduce their frequency of booking local FLs so as to highlight the impact of the matter.

But so far only 1 brudder joined my list...

[Redhill]

Action to stop the inflation of local FLs

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

With so many debate going on about the increase in prices for local FL, I think there is enough talk about the grievances that all the brothers out there face, including myself.

Seriously it's actually good that local FLs are so expensive these days because it forces me to stop patronizing them due to the ridiculous fees charged by the respective OKTs. If I really have to, I will just go visit HCs, PRCs or maybe even visit JB for a quick alternative release.

Just 2-3 yrs ago I could engage maximum 2 FLs a month depending the price I pay, usually I will choose FLs between $150 to $250, maximum I'm willing to go to is $300, but those are rare. And I make sure I recover my wallet before going on to the next one. But as the prices for local FLs go up, my frequency of visit drops. As much as I want to, it is just not economically rational for me anymore to engage any local FLs above my budget.

It is not just about economics, I mean every session is about 120 mins (that's the time for each hotel booking) right? But seriously, if we break it down how much time is spent on bonking? Let's see:

FLs generally are late 15-20 mins
Shower - 10 mins
Chit chat / ice-breaking - 5 - 10 mins
Rest after 1st round provided round 2 is permitted - 10 mins

So in all already more than 30 mins of the 2 hrs can be wasted without even touching the FL. That leaves us with what around 90 mins to enjoy. But how many of us actually fully utilise those 90 mins? So to those FLs that charge $300 to even as high as $800 or $1000, it is crazy and I really salute bros who pay that kind of money for less than 90 mins work? With this kind of rates which girl don't want to become FL? And rates as far as I can tell only go up not down.

Best of all, this is a profession that is not supervised and not controlled by any regulator. It is everyone for themselves to grab as much money as they can. So when there's no cap why not charge higher and higher, similar to the BPL player transfer market.

I'm not ashamed to admit, yes I am not a big earner. And looking at the trend very soon I can forget about booking a local FL. So is this going to hurt me more or the FLs and OKTs more? Looking at the growing dissent from bros in this forum I believe I'm not alone, OKTs need to take this seriously IF they want to remain in business. Obviosly they prefer to market their FLs like District 10 landed properties. But only a small portion of the customers here can afford those, bulk of the customers in SBF want to buy HDB flats or maybe condo units. If your a smart OKT you should market your FLs at that price range to capture the MAJORITY of the market share and maybe it will even encourage repeat (RTF) customers for you. One thing I'm quite certain, SBF bros do appreciate an understanding OKT.

But I believe no amount of talk can be compared to hard statistics. So I'm going to start a "I STOPPED BOOKING LOCAL FLs DUE TO SKY ROCKETING PRICE" petition. If you agree and share my above sentiments, just copy and paste my posting and insert your nick below mine. Let's see how far this list can go.

I STOPPED BOOKING LOCAL FLs DUE TO SKY ROCKETING PRICE

Redhill. I agree with you bro. I rather go geylang. With the high price, at least the girls go for monthly check up. You would rather pay for that than local OKT who didn't send the girls for checkup and just pocket the money.
We pay higher but higher risk for your stables. What for?

[natsuki]

FYI, I didn't blame anyone in my post I only simply stated that it was part of the expenses so stop twisting my words around.

Sweetie! There are plenty of such men around, no point reasoning with them... (or rather.. him?) well, if we think we r worth the value, we are. Moreover, we are still consider budget fls ma..

Note: Chantel is 120/an hr. Natsuki (me) is 90/an hr. Felyn is 130/an hr. Jeidi is 110/sgd. I suppose, we should be counted budget bonks right?

Now, here's my reply to TS:

Look,there are plenty of budget bonks around... Maybe... just maybe... Our threads are just being neglected that's why... Well, wad i wanna say is.. If one is not willing to pay for the price of a fl is asking for, drop her. No point saying stop wadever inflation. Ure a buyer yes, but end of the day, it's up to the seller who is fixing the price isn't it? I set my price, after doing my homework... For the rest, i dunnoe...

I'd been seeing this thread for days, and then.... U complaint, end of the day, will Okts market their girls in a lower price? or will some 18/19 yo SYT let u bonk them with less then 150sgd? It's natural, girls who are younger tend to have a higher demand, and as the demand is there, the price range will be there, talk to a girl who was 10 yrs ago an syt, will she be demanding as much as a current syt? Answer will definately be No. Yes, if there r ex-syt who demand higher rate den current syts, by all means, drop her then. And if the Ex-syt felt she is worth it, then respect her choice. Ultimately it's up to consumers(note: more then 1) to decide whether one is worth the value or not.

We are talking about facts here.

Yes, stop the inflation might be ur ultimate motive of this thread. But den, to TS, have u ever thought about we-this group of budget bonk fls? ='( I voice out because i felt that it's unfair to gerenalise every local fl. TS, please be more specific...

Take care, have a plesant weekend. I do not wish to have an arguements with anyone, thus, this will be my only post in this thread, i hope.

[crofton]

SUPPORT U ALL BRO! I also nvr book local FL, i really prefer thai meat, and lately chinese meat...

Local FL prices are really getting alot higher esp those that are abit more attractive...

BOYCOTT!!

[Mael]

Sweetie! There are plenty of such men around, no point reasoning with them... (or rather.. him?) well, if we think we r worth the value, we are. Moreover, we are still consider budget fls ma..

Note: Chantel is 120/an hr. Natsuki (me) is 90/an hr. Felyn is 130/an hr. Jeidi is 110/sgd. I suppose, we should be counted budget bonks right?

Now, here's my reply to TS:

Look,there are plenty of budget bonks around... Maybe... just maybe... Our threads are just being neglected that's why... Well, wad i wanna say is.. If one is not willing to pay for the price of a fl is asking for, drop her. No point saying stop wadever inflation. Ure a buyer yes, but end of the day, it's up to the seller who is fixing the price isn't it? I set my price, after doing my homework... For the rest, i dunnoe...

I'd been seeing this thread for days, and then.... U complaint, end of the day, will Okts market their girls in a lower price? or will some 18/19 yo SYT let u bonk them with less then 150sgd? It's natural, girls who are younger tend to have a higher demand, and as the demand is there, the price range will be there, talk to a girl who was 10 yrs ago an syt, will she be demanding as much as a current syt? Answer will definately be No. Yes, if there r ex-syt who demand higher rate den current syts, by all means, drop her then. And if the Ex-syt felt she is worth it, then respect her choice. Ultimately it's up to consumers(note: more then 1) to decide whether one is worth the value or not.

We are talking about facts here.

Yes, stop the inflation might be ur ultimate motive of this thread. But den, to TS, have u ever thought about we-this group of budget bonk fls? ='( I voice out because i felt that it's unfair to gerenalise every local fl. TS, please be more specific...

Take care, have a plesant weekend. I do not wish to have an arguements with anyone, thus, this will be my only post in this thread, i hope.

I think you girls either have to read more carefully or the threadstarter should perhaps have worded it better. Although I think his thread was pretty clear.

He stated

"Just 2-3 yrs ago I could engage maximum 2 FLs a month depending the price I pay, usually I will choose FLs between $150 to $250, maximum I'm willing to go to is $300, but those are rare. And I make sure I recover my wallet before going on to the next one. But as the prices for local FLs go up, my frequency of visit drops. As much as I want to, it is just not economically rational for me anymore to engage any local FLs above my budget.

So in all already more than 30 mins of the 2 hrs can be wasted without even touching the FL. That leaves us with what around 90 mins to enjoy. But how many of us actually fully utilise those 90 mins? So to those FLs that charge $300 to even as high as $800 or $1000, it is crazy and I really salute bros who pay that kind of money for less than 90 mins work? With this kind of rates which girl don't want to become FL? And rates as far as I can tell only go up not down."



So isnt it plain he's not even targeting your demographic? He's referring to the crazy prices some FLs command(like 600-800 dollars), which in all probability is split halfway with the pimp anyways. I contend he should have said something like "Action to stop the inflation of local FLs that charge above 500", so as to stop prickling certain sensitive souls though.

So rest assured, the TS isnt referring to you, chantel, or the bunch of girlys that have modest and professional services well worth our coin.

[Ferris_SOCAL]

I think risk analysis is the proper way to look at it.

My background. I'm from another country, and we've got a lot of providers. Just like SG, some are good and some are really bad. Once you've been burned, or more than once, you start taking a really hard look at a provider that charges more than the going rate.
I've been here a year and I've seen the prices go up for many of the providers. Lately I would attribute that to the rise in demand from YOG, visitors, F1, casinos and what not. We also have a lot more folks with disposable $$ in their wallets.
I'm OK if a few girls charge more for their services if they are good. But the higher the price tag and the newer the girl, the risk of disappoint and loss of $$ goes up and is pretty intimidating.
If the girl/OKT are going to offer high then let them. Stick with an established and trusted OKT to insure performance.
I am against really bad service at ANY price. So far, I've only come up against one girl who was really bad, and the price was higher than I would have expected for her level of service.
Can I risk spending my $$ on a new girl? Should I stick with a known service. In this community, bad service will get around and both the girl and OKT go down together.
Sorry long-winded, but prices are on the rise for average service providers with few skills, and that's wrong in my book.

[dey.savio]

HHmm... I think at the end of the day it's we the one will decide whether we want local FL or not, it's not fair to boycott them but we have a choice to engage their service or not lor... We as a customer have choices rite? It's up to individual to decide.... No Local, import also no problem... but if local serve better and worth the $$ why not? Subjective lah this topic... Most importantly both of us happy... 50-50... :D

Cheers!:)

[tagduty]

HHmm... I think at the end of the day it's we the one will decide whether we want local FL or not, it's not fair to boycott them but we have a choice to engage their service or not lor... We as a customer have choices rite? It's up to individual to decide.... No Local, import also no problem... but if local serve better and worth the $$ why not? Subjective lah this topic... Most importantly both of us happy... 50-50... :D

Cheers!:)


In Bold: That's prolly the gist. TS did mention that he was able to have fun and at the same time be kind to his pocket. And all this happened not too long ago, give or take 2-3 years ago. Now, kinda hard. Yes, there are FLs out there within his budget but if they were his cup of tea (choices) we wouldn't be having this thread now would we?? The problem is, imo, is that it is simply ridiculous that some FLs are marketed at exorbitant price range by their OKTs.



In Red: Where's the justification? How do u justify? Unless it's an RTF how else can u be sure ur going to pay for good services and looks? Being visually stimulated creatures that we are, I admit that I'm a sucker for looks and looking at beautifully taken studio pics, I would almost definitely hope that the girl AT LEAST look 70% like the picture. I wouldn't say I've been conned but I guess its pretty much caveat emptor eh.That said, my OKTs cheonging days have been somewhat limited nowadays and I tend to look for local FLs or imports. Lately, I have been bonking pinoys but they too have just increased their price. From 100/2/2 to 200/2/2. That just means I will bonk lesser pinoys.

[qwqwwq]

I agree wholeheartedly with threadstarter.

1.the global economic crises has cost many brothers jobs and bonuses.

2. what the local FL are experiencing are just part and parcel of the occupation. please dont tell me china,korean etc FL dont need to experience smelly, rude customers. we as customers also need to bear with rude and lousy service local FL,hello, who is the one paying?sometimes i feel im the FL and the local FL is the boss.

3. for 300sgd(local FL) so call budget bonk(in my terms),ive experienced horrible service OR an aunty old enough to be my mum disguised to be in her late 20s. for 300sgd i could get super PRC.its not the money,its the returns of the money.please dont think that all rich guys like to be a carrothead.

i have paid 850sgd,1k sgd 200sgd,300sgd,500sgd for local FLs,local models blah blah,10percent are worth the value including one at 850sgd,service,looks,body,everything is excellent.another one at 250sgd,service never rush(names i will not disclose)

after the latest horrendous experience with a local FL, i also have stopped patronizing.come on please dont think a smack of english slang can fetch prices higher than PRC,koreans by 3x,5x?

i was shocked when a LOCAL FL (i will not disclose who)told me which local gal is stupid enough to sell herself for below 300sgd.u know how does she look like?old aunty but heavily make up to conceal her age and have schoolgal plaits,claiming later 20s.BUT her service is very gd.BUT FOR 300SGD, i have both excellent SERVICE and looks and dont lie about the age.

I AM TOTALLY DISGUSTED WITH THE HIGH MINDEDNESS OF THE LOCAL FL here.when i say times are tough, its not for me though,its for the general brothers.I can still afford 1k sgd local models,FL but provided they are excellent in ALL departments.

I REPEAT NO RICH BROTHER WHO CAN AFFORD LIKES TO BE A CARROTHEAD.IT IS NOT THE HIGH PRICES THAT MAKE A LOCAL FL SERVICE BETTER.IT IS THE INBORN CHARACTER OF THE LOCAL FL.i have experienced perfect IN ALL DEPARTMENTS from 250,300 to 850sgd local FLs.
just like did the taxi drivers service attitude improve in general when taxi prices go up?there are some very nice taxi drivers though.

i know that some of you may jump and say looks differ.another mans meat is another posion, BUT COMEON, SURELY RUSHING TIME EVEN GOT HALF HOUR LEFT,EARLY 40S DISGUISED TO BE LATE 20S is something too BIG to forgive?!!!
plus at health centres i can get 100sgd for very very gd quality service looks body LOCALS,thats why i question why majority LOCAL FLs i try want to charge such a high price BUT are found lacking in either looks,body service.NOTE ITS MAJORITY NOT ALL

[dragonlim85]

Local Fl rates really too high le. I assume the okt's for local FL take a BIGGG cut, like one bro mention, 50% or thereabouts. Have tried local FL's a few times, but now I change my taste to Thais, viets, prc. Anything but local.

After talking to those Thai, Viet, Pinoy girls,I know their agent do not take cuts of 50% so high and they provide hotel and cd in their deal. Local girl pay so much for one hr then still got to pay for room, condum. RTF lagi worse, the girl tend to drag more and even ask me for things. Fed up. I rather bonk other nationality girl, cheaper and most of the time more beautiful. Maybe communication hard la, but bonk is better.

Then some local okts always post bidding for first blood and all. What first blood? they already take the first blood lor. Then we pay like idiots.

The local FL okts earn the most out of all the okts. They get free bonk, easy to communicate with girl, girl can travel by herself, no need worry about hotel and rubber. Just sit back and collect money. so relax and low cost, almost zero cost.

[2Guards]

How many times have we heard this complaint about high prices for local FLs ? Too many times already.

Look, it's a business. OKTs and the girls will charge as high as possible - just like any business. It's all up to market forces to regulate the price. Writing long letters in SBF will have no effect whatsoever.

So, if you think the girl is worth $500, then go ahead and pay. If not, just ignore it. Eventually, market forces will adjust the price.

Personally, I have paid $500 or more for a girl. So expensive yet I am honest enough to say it was worth it. On the other hand I have paid $150, and was totally dissatisfied (fucked up the OKT for short-selling). Strangely also, I have paid only $100 for a china girl (legal) in Geylang and was totally happy !

[shortdick]

Agree with bro Mael, it's not that we want to boycott SG girls. But only to ignore those that charge heavenly prices for earthly girls.

[KingCheong]

Maybe we need to write harsher FRs for local FLs from now on.
Have you guys ever wondered how almost all the ratings for the FLs are always 6 and above regardless if it is about looks, figure, BJ, FJ, GFE...etc?
I mean so many brudders got complaint against bad service and even misrepresentation of the girls by OKT, so its weird all the FRs n ratings are still so favourable.
Dont you guys think it's time we be really strict about their service and give them the ratings they deserve rather than always 'try to be nice' and close one eye?

[reservist]

interesting

[kerepek]

interesting..
if 1 customer = $90 multiply by 20 days = 1.8k

i wonder how much they earn for multiple customer..hehe..quite a lot hur..

[Entropy]

My take on the situation is that if the local fls charge some crazy price and there is still demand, why would they switch to a low cost and high volume model which require more work to achieve the same result. The price will still spike or stay high till it reach a saturatuon point where they will deem it no longer viable to charge at such prices which result in a drop in overall profit. As long as demand is there while supply and price remain constant, there is no incentive for them to change their pricing policies. Reasonable or not is upto the person paying as end of the day, there is no need of a boycott or anything because if you don't think a product is worth the cost, you just don't buy it. I don't boycott locals fl but I don't engage their services either as I not that rich to spend a few hundred to a thousand for an hour of enjoyment but that is just me.

[qwqwwq]

why is there demand?
because of MISREPRESENTATION that leads to brothers INCREASED URGE

BUT I URGE BROTHERS TO THINK TWICE BEFORE GOING TO ATTEND AND NOT BE SO RASH AS THIS IS NOT A HEALTH CENTRE WHEN

1. U CAN REJECT FOR FREE AND ASK ANOTHER ONE TO COME IN.

2. in terms of looks the below 300 category LOCAL chinese is MOSTLY NOT ALL the below 70 category for PRC equivalent.BUT I DO ENCOUNTER SOME BELOW 300 TO BE VERY BEAUTIFUL, but very few.

3. u really do not know who writes the FR.Is it the OKT or the real customer?

AT end of the day, its just not worth it when i can get 100sgd in health centre for very beautiful LOCAL CHINESE and very good service and can reject them if any i dont like.

i dont mind trying lousy gals for 100 sgd in health centres BUT for 300 to 1000sgd,i expect PERFECT in ALL departments and NO MISREPRESENTATION.so i say goodbye to all LOCAL FL, SCARED TO TRY NEW ONES,I WILL ONLY RETRY THOSE I HAVE TRIED IN THE PAST.

P.S. WHO WANTS TO PAY BAD TASTING CHICKEN RICE FOR 10SGD sitting in a KOPITIAM?U WANT?DO THE LOCAL FLs themselves want(when they treat the LOCAL BROTHERS AS CARROTHEADS)?

NO BROTHER RICH OR POOR LIKES TO BE TREATED AS CARROTHEAD.
PLEASE DONT THINK BROTHERS WITH ABILITY TO PAY LIKES TO BE A CARROTHEAD.

[2Guards]

Just 1 final word before I quit this debate.

Bros, the person who actually control the price is YOU and not the okt or the girl.

YOU are the customer.
YOU are the one who decides whether to buy or not buy.
YOU have the final say !

Remember that the Geylang legal houses are always there. When you release your sperm it feels the same whether she is a $500 local FL or a $100 china girl.

[Purplecrow]

Basically bros from what I can see do always cheong within your budget. I believe in time prices will come down eventually once there is lesser demand for them.

[xchange]

.........hold on for 3 months, price sure drop man!!!!!!

Why don't we do some monitoring -pick some local as index to see price movement.
I suggest

1.Cantel

1500.60.1 REGULARS AND RTF 850.60.1
Local Chinese,
http://johnnyescorts.com/sgbudgetescorts/page4/page4.html

(fell free to add to list to create index like STI for local shares)

[Delwin]

I had stop getting OKTs girls(Local) for nearly a year because most of the but not all are crazy priced, bad attitude, mostly not pretty and worse bad service.
I would save up the $$$ to go oversea to fuck until my legs went jelly. With that kind of $$$.
If there is a need in here, i would rather go geylang or get those girls without okts. :D

[qwqwwq]

for LOCAL FLs like they are heavenly gems, for sgd 300 and below, oh my god, all i got was MOSTLY (except for ONE OL very good in attitude,looks and service)

1. "sweet and demure" in the FR-but when i got there i saw a young ah lian i wont even look at in the streets, with pimple scars,bloated face(i wont name who,she is still working)

2. "tall and sexy" was the sms by one OKT--but when i got there, i saw sexy???with spider webs on the tummy and she has to keep off turning off the lights when i keep on turning on the lights.she even sported schoolgirl plaits and OKT say late 20s.that could have been my mum in early 40s!she even has the cheek to MOCK at LOCAL girls offering themselves for less than 300sgd "dont know they sock or not" as if she prizes herself like an antique vase.IF IT WAS AN EARLY 40S AUNTY PRC WITH SPIDER WEB TUMMY, WILL SHE DARE FETCH 300SGD??SINGAPORE PR AND LOCAL BORN GIRLS NEED TO BE REALISTIC THAT FOR 300 TO 1000SGD, local brothers EXPECT SAME QUALITY AS PRC 100 TO 300SGD BEAUTIES, GREAT SKILL, AND SERVICE,ATTITUDE.

3."BIG BOOBS, TALL AND SEXY" WAS HOW OKT DESCRIBE--WHEN I GOT THERE I SAW A PLUMB girl with BAD BREATH.for 350sgd!!i dont know how plumb girls can be sexy.if in PRC standards,not even worth 50sgd

4. FOR 800SGD I WENT FOR A VERY BEAUTIFUL airstewardess,BUT THE ATTITUDE SUCKS.keep on hurrying me to cum like a japan speed train

5. and some always put aeroplane by coming late or never turn up.

if that arrogant local FL can ask why are local girls sock to offer below 300sgd, she herself must be sock.in health centres,i can get so PRETTY and GOOD ATTITUDE LOCAL girls for 100sgd.i hate it when local girls look themselves as more high class than PRC when so many PRC are so much fairer,sweet,demure,sexy,MORE SKILLFUL in BBBJ,BJ,LICKING.MANY LOCAL FLs cant even lick a dick well(genuine from a cheongster with more than 15 years experience).I need a skillful fl to make it stand in the 1st place,even when she is pretty.

the attitude, service, skill, looks, are HARDLY INCONSISTENT with the high and mighty prices local FLs prize themselves so i BEESEECH local brothers to COOPERATE to bring their arrogance down to some earthly standards.it is definitely not a case of one mans meat is another poison.the gulf is too big that i suspect the FRs are mostly fake.

[qwqwwq]

i willl rather pay 10K sgd for gillian chung if she is doing like forummers IN OTHER HK FORUMS claim and if i have contacts to them than to pay 10K sgd for any TCS actresses,if they are doing.
im saying this is IF TCS ACTRESSES ARENT LIKE HK ACTRESSES SO WELL KNOWN, WHY SHOULD LOCAL FLs (eg. ahlians) fetch 300sgd,when i can get a HK AHLIAN in mongkok to fuck for 100sgd.

FUCKING RIDICULOUS.
I HAVE TRIED ALL RANGES(health centres,geylang 150cat, THAIS, pinoys, local ahlians,hk ahlians,PRC,koreans,taiwanese meimei,catwalk models,air hostesses)EXCEPT ACTRESSES.(from 100sgd to 1000sgd)
therefore im in a position to say things.

[seandude11]

actually. its a simple situation.

fairly new in the forum, but lately seen influx in local supply leading to saturation point.

many female friends are tempted by the huge earning power and with these prices, many gals who other wise wouldnt have done fl are doing it under "social escorting". some of them are not interested in taking 5-8 customers a day, they dont mind taking 3-10 a month becos with the hike, tats enough oradi to satisfy their material cravings

but without the price hike, less supply, less variety.


but i think the point more bros are concerned with is the agents' cut.

going by attitude its fairly obvious some of the agents have little ethics

but some such as blueberry and popcorn have constantly provided us gems at fairly acceptable prices n i know their cut is rly low considering the situation

even those such as bulldogg who has given us proven gems have kept his prices down

and importantly, they do their biz with a gd atttitude, trying their best to arrange timings with their gals and replying us bros politely

some others, i must stress only some and not all, come straight into the forum and quote sky rocket prices. yep sure supply demand is a free market. but if they put out those prices its natural they will just have to accept that sooner or later, the majority of bros r gona boycott them.

frankly if they wana be in this for longterm, try learning from those agents i mentioned. they r trusted n their biz has been gd all the while and will continue to b gd.

[seandude11]

btw, a disclaimer - those agents i mentioned cos i have personal contact with them n are satisfied with their response n service.

does NOT mean those i din name r bad. juz tat i hv not tried their services b4.

im sure its clear to all which agents r acceptable n which r not.

use ur blain......

[kerepek]

what the.. 1500 sgd.. crazy.. mark up so high for what sia.. LOL!

[xchange]

.... i suggest gal from Oriental Angel.


Why don't we do some monitoring -pick some local as index to see price movement.
I suggest

1.Cantel

1500.60.1 REGULARS AND RTF 850.60.1
(fell free to add to list to create index like STI for local shares)

OK, I add to list Oriental Angel's most expensive girl, London .The new list is-.
.................................................. .................................................

1.Cantel

1500.60.1 REGULARS AND RTF 850.60.1
Local Chinese,
http://johnnyescorts.com/sgbudgetescorts/page4/page4.html

2.London
Race: Local Chinese
Damage: 500/1/1. Not including room. She provides the caps.

http://www.sammyboyforum.com/showthread.php?p=5137515#post5137515


Lets check the price in 3 months

[guruking]

I do agree with demand and supply.
I tried a local FL named R and i have to admit she is good and wanted to RTF but after realised she works under a stable, I stopped patronised her service.

I will never go for OKT's gals. Period.

[nicecar]

[QUOTE=guruking;5143313]I do agree with demand and supply.
I tried a local FL named R and i have to admit she is good and wanted to RTF........


U perceived FL's worth depreciate upon learning she works for OKT.

If she is money for value, why bother if she a FL or under OKT....she still provide the same level of service/a pussy is a pussy.

BTW FLs or OKT's gals, they are all the same.....sex for money.

[biatch6969]

Well spoken ! hopefully consumers will really look into it !

[virginlovers]

upz for awareness....
=)

[Mr_NBT@@]

wow....
locals got golden pussies ah....??
if gt i dun mind tryin, hehehe:D
aiya, to each his own la. some guyz so rich til they duno spent on wat, so anihow juz hoot lor.
but nt for me, d price c liao, i immediately switch channels.:rolleyes: