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MrPilot
10-09-2011, 02:18 PM
had you for 2 years. never really understood why we broke up. never really found out the reason why, or probably it never got into me why you had to break up with me over a matter we rarely talked about it in 2 years, a problem we never had an issue with, a problem we mutually agreed that when the day comes, we will never break up over it.

and for this few weeks, i still can't bring myself to accept the cruel fact how you managed to just give this whole relationship up, how you just blatantly forgot our moments together, how this wonderful relationship turned sour overnight. it took just a mere 2 days for you to change, to change into someone i don't know. suddenly you decided that this relationship wasn't what you want anymore, suddenly you wanted a new life without me.

have you ever thought of what was left for me? i gave up so much, sacrificed so much shit for you, but now all it is left is an un-caring, can't be bothered girl of you. why did you have to lie, why did you have to break my heart so badly again?

i had so much hopes in our relationship, and now you took it all away from me. i pinned so much hopes everyday, did all i could to keep this going, but why did you have to choose my weakest spot to attack? why couldn't you understand what i've been feeling? you knew exactly what you were doing, you knew exactly how i will feel because if we were to change positions, you will be devastated too. so why did you do it? why did you have to throw away a future we have longed for in the past 2 years? why did you have to do this to me?

everyday i pray for an answer, either from you or from somewhere else i don't really care. never one day passed could i get you out of my head, just wishing one day i'll be brave enough to stand like a man in front of you again.




sorry people, just venting out, ain't suppose to be a post for anybody.

cheers

orneryjoe
11-09-2011, 05:18 AM
It's natural to grieve over a broken relationship. You will get over it in time. Lots of girls out there. No point weeping too much over any one. Gd luck.

CumInstructor
11-09-2011, 05:34 AM
i can feel your pain bro...

My gf of 4 years left me in july 2011 and already had a bf....

same situation as you...theres never a day i didnt think of her and our moments together....

whats worse is that, she had completely cut off communication from me...

joew2005
11-09-2011, 06:31 AM
sigh ... some women r so "brutal" in the way they handle(end) their relationships & there isn't much we can prevent tis fr going.

RealEstateGuy
11-09-2011, 06:47 AM
Braddahs you will never get a real reason. But you don't want one from them. If she can leave you abruptly she has no real heart and is not the kind of women you want to spend your future with. The best thing for you is to take action and focus on yourself not her. As soon as you adapt this mindset you are free and will feel energized and refreshed and happy to have moved on. She's not important to you. You are in control of your own destiny and don't let her continue to hurt you. It's up to you braddah.

joedavid
11-09-2011, 06:52 AM
From someone who went thru this path before. Good that she cut off full communication. The pain will go someday. So remember this, TIME WILL HEAL. You may not believe me now but it WILL happen. Of course the memory will never be gone completely but the pain will become no more. Till then put your energy into someother thing, be it work or sport. Tired yourself so easier to sleep at night. Take sleeping pill if you must but do not get addicted. And most important find someone you can pour out your heart.

chan5223
11-09-2011, 09:29 AM
had you for 2 years. never really understood why we broke up. never really found out the reason why, or probably it never got into me why you had to break up with me over a matter we rarely talked about it in 2 years, a problem we never had an issue with, a problem we mutually agreed that when the day comes, we will never break up over it.

and for this few weeks, i still can't bring myself to accept the cruel fact how you managed to just give this whole relationship up, how you just blatantly forgot our moments together, how this wonderful relationship turned sour overnight. it took just a mere 2 days for you to change, to change into someone i don't know. suddenly you decided that this relationship wasn't what you want anymore, suddenly you wanted a new life without me.

have you ever thought of what was left for me? i gave up so much, sacrificed so much shit for you, but now all it is left is an un-caring, can't be bothered girl of you. why did you have to lie, why did you have to break my heart so badly again?

i had so much hopes in our relationship, and now you took it all away from me. i pinned so much hopes everyday, did all i could to keep this going, but why did you have to choose my weakest spot to attack? why couldn't you understand what i've been feeling? you knew exactly what you were doing, you knew exactly how i will feel because if we were to change positions, you will be devastated too. so why did you do it? why did you have to throw away a future we have longed for in the past 2 years? why did you have to do this to me?

everyday i pray for an answer, either from you or from somewhere else i don't really care. never one day passed could i get you out of my head, just wishing one day i'll be brave enough to stand like a man in front of you again.




sorry people, just venting out, ain't suppose to be a post for anybody.

cheers

Cheer up bro, maybe you can find someone better in the future.

alan0338
11-09-2011, 10:02 AM
not end of the world ma, just get another gal worth ur tlc and show ur ex .... :D

MrPilot
11-09-2011, 10:27 AM
thanks everyone.

yeah i know time will heal, but it seems too long, not sure when that time will actually come.
been trying to stay away from her, but seems like it isn't working, maybe i'm just too weak at it i guess.

& worse is my good friends are all busy with their stuff, all got no time to be here for me):
but i guess i'll live, cause i know she ain't worth it.

Ichigo_Kurosaki
11-09-2011, 12:08 PM
TS MrPilot, I was reading your thread while my kimchi was doing the ordering of donuts at a certain outlet downtown. When she came back to the table, she commented that all the 4 (2 Hazelnut milk chocolate and 2 mint dark chocolate) donut's holes were slightly different, and after taking a bit at them.....We realised that whether we take the doughnut hole as a blank space or as an entity unto itself are purely metaphysical question and does not affect the taste of the doughnut a bit. ;)

Just like a plain tasteless donut, there's only 1 (single) explaination - She don't love you anymore! :o

So however heartbreaking, depressing or sorrow you are feeling now does not affect your ex-cai feeling a bit and she's probably enjoying herself right now. ....What you need to do now is to get used to the loss, just like when you're in pitch blackness, all you can do is sit tight until your eyes get used to the dark cos nothing is permanent, this sorrow feeling will also change - Be it good or bad, it's entirely up to you and please do not allow this turbulence to cause you having fear from flying to a new deserving destination! Good luck! ;)

tonberry
11-09-2011, 03:13 PM
It is always difficult at first. Get yourself distracted. Go out and know more friends. Play sports. Pick up a new hobby. And spend effort to make yourself look good. In time, you won't even feel anything for her. Time heals but be patient about it. Take care bro.

arsenal_84
11-09-2011, 06:00 PM
whats worse is that, she had completely cut off communication from me...

at least you can let go easily...why bother with ppl who no longer care about you ?

Lord_of_Panda
11-09-2011, 06:54 PM
well sorry for what haapen but i understand how u feel coz my over see thai gf mia and her home town gt dengu fever quite serious so maybe.....

prccuntlover
11-09-2011, 06:58 PM
You lost that loving feeling..
It's better to have love (fark) than never before
& with girls don't bother to seek reason:)

MrPilot
11-09-2011, 08:24 PM
Ichigo_Kurosaki: hahah i like your way of speaking, guess you read it at the right time. thanks for your advise, trying really hard at times but i guess i try too hard sometimes? after 2 weeks of ignoring her i suddenly just lose it and contact her again. feels pretty stupid but yeah, i hope it won't affect my next relationship..

tonberry: yeah thanks, i'm still trying to find a sport/activity that can allow me to make more friends easily. any suggestions? haha

Lord_of_Panda: i feel for you too. hope you'll recover soon!

prccuntlover: haha i still intend to settle down, can't see myself not finding reasons with girls, keep losing it man.

Ichigo_Kurosaki
11-09-2011, 08:53 PM
Ichigo_Kurosaki: hahah i like your way of speaking, guess you read it at the right time. thanks for your advise, trying really hard at times but i guess i try too hard sometimes? after 2 weeks of ignoring her i suddenly just lose it and contact her again. feels pretty stupid but yeah, i hope it won't affect my next relationship..

Hi Bro, we all walked this path before. It's not stupid atall. It's normal to cling and tying knots on the Rope of Hope when we hit a wall. Time to forget the "Why" and be Wise. Memory of her will not fade away with time but the heart will definately heel and gets better :D People say why give up a forest for a tree, imho, girls are like leaves on a tree, there are many leaves on a tree and many trees in a forest. Hatred or revenge is never good but just love yourself more is the best! ;)

simple2kee
11-09-2011, 09:49 PM
yeah i know time will heal, but it seems too long, not sure when that time will actually come.


yes, time will HEAL. move on, u r still v young. im sure u will find a better 1.

sup3rm2n
12-09-2011, 03:47 AM
I feel your pain, my ex gf broke up me the night I enter ns, the week after she with another guy. The reason she told me was that her aunt don't like me and I bath like to use heater. Their reason are usually bullshit.

"ask no questions, and you shall not be lied to"

colins
13-09-2011, 03:57 PM
dear mrpilot, do unto others what you want others to do unto you. If you are a good man, then I guess she is not suitable to be your partner. Just be who you are, in fact its a great time now to develop yourself. Take care;)

wells
13-09-2011, 04:28 PM
It is always difficult at first. Get yourself distracted. Go out and know more friends. Play sports. Pick up a new hobby. And spend effort to make yourself look good. In time, you won't even feel anything for her. Time heals but be patient about it. Take care bro.

Agreed with Bro Tonberry. Your Friends are forever talk to them, look for them, dress up, stay cool and look forward for your next love. There always a better tomorrow.

ghbs
23-09-2011, 06:31 PM
Bro you are not the only one. My gf broke up with me may 2011, we've been together for 2 years and 3 months. Always been very happy and she's one of the best girlfriend that I ever had in this lifetime. But we just broke up over a trivial matter that's not even worth mentioning.

The saddest thing is I don't really know why she wanna break up with me and till this day I am still trying to find the answer, not a day goes by I don't think of her and ask myself why is this happening to me. I wanted to marry her.

goodpartner
23-09-2011, 07:12 PM
TS, if it makes you feel any better; you're not alone. Here I am adding to the numbers :D

One of the FL who got raid by AV recently promised to be my girlfriend, we met yesterday for a good time and planned how she is going to spend the rest of her days in Sg with me, etc. I found her a condo to stay for free & even offer her a "job" as my driver since I've a spare car & she brought her driver licence. Then, suddenly today she just call me and say "I cannot meet you anymore, I have a BF in Singapore"; something which she denied that day I know her.

So I'm suffering a [smaller] depression now after being ditched by my 1-day GF which we planned out "future" together....
Yea, it sucks to be on the other end man... it sucks even more to know that some other bros must be staying in a bigger condo and having a bigger spare car than me :(:rolleyes:

Above is 100% true story; as unbelivable as it may sound and as sacarstic [no such intention] it may seems to be in comparing to your 2-year r/s. At least one other bro here can testify to this case.

Cum cumm..., let us all go through this needful five stages of grief together (http://grief.com/the-five-stages-of-grief/)... ;)

Greatking
24-09-2011, 12:27 PM
i can feel your pain bro...

My gf of 4 years left me in july 2011 and already had a bf....

same situation as you...theres never a day i didnt think of her and our moments together....

whats worse is that, she had completely cut off communication from me...
experience that before.

My gal told me "if you love me, please do not communicate with me. i want to get you out of my life completely."

I cried(i m on guard duty. commander. almost feel like drawing rounds).

But, i grow strong. i stunt for a night. smoke 2 packs. off duty. went back home, cannot sleep, went to see doc, get sleeping pills. slept well. and i let go :D

But never drink too much. it impair your ability to think for yourself

Greatking
24-09-2011, 12:29 PM
TS, if it makes you feel any better; you're not alone. Here I am adding to the numbers :D

One of the FL who got raid by AV recently promised to be my girlfriend, we met yesterday for a good time and planned how she is going to spend the rest of her days in Sg with me, etc. I found her a condo to stay for free & even offer her a "job" as my driver since I've a spare car & she brought her driver licence. Then, suddenly today she just call me and say "I cannot meet you anymore, I have a BF in Singapore"; something which she denied that day I know her.

So I'm suffering a [smaller] depression now after being ditched by my 1-day GF which we planned out "future" together....
Yea, it sucks to be on the other end man... it sucks even more to know that some other bros must be staying in a bigger condo and having a bigger spare car than me :(:rolleyes:

Above is 100% true story; as unbelivable as it may sound and as sacarstic [no such intention] it may seems to be in comparing to your 2-year r/s. At least one other bro here can testify to this case.

Cum cumm..., let us all go through this needful five stages of grief together (http://grief.com/the-five-stages-of-grief/)... ;)

rich.. and she leech. maybe she found someone richer... who can sponsor to get a chauffeur for her...

Greatking
24-09-2011, 12:31 PM
dear mrpilot, do unto others what you want others to do unto you. If you are a good man, then I guess she is not suitable to be your partner. Just be who you are, in fact its a great time now to develop yourself. Take care;)

My gal told me, once you are capable and rich, gals will come to you. My gal said if i m capable and rich, i do not even need to worry bout losing her, she will be the one worrying that she might lose me.

Sad to say, after almost a year, i'm still e one afraid of losing her:(

RealEstateGuy
24-09-2011, 01:05 PM
My gal told me, once you are capable and rich, gals will come to you. My gal said if i m capable and rich, i do not even need to worry bout losing her, she will be the one worrying that she might lose me.

Sad to say, after almost a year, i'm still e one afraid of losing her:(

Braddah, the capable part is acceptable. As all women deserve a capable man. But I'm not sure braddah if the rich part is valid. Shows greed.

RealEstateGuy
24-09-2011, 01:07 PM
TS, if it makes you feel any better; you're not alone. Here I am adding to the numbers :D

One of the FL who got raid by AV recently promised to be my girlfriend, we met yesterday for a good time and planned how she is going to spend the rest of her days in Sg with me, etc. I found her a condo to stay for free & even offer her a "job" as my driver since I've a spare car & she brought her driver licence. Then, suddenly today she just call me and say "I cannot meet you anymore, I have a BF in Singapore"; something which she denied that day I know her.

So I'm suffering a [smaller] depression now after being ditched by my 1-day GF which we planned out "future" together....
Yea, it sucks to be on the other end man... it sucks even more to know that some other bros must be staying in a bigger condo and having a bigger spare car than me :(:rolleyes:

Above is 100% true story; as unbelivable as it may sound and as sacarstic [no such intention] it may seems to be in comparing to your 2-year r/s. At least one other bro here can testify to this case.

Cum cumm..., let us all go through this needful five stages of grief together (http://grief.com/the-five-stages-of-grief/)... ;)

Braddah, you should not fret. You call her FL but real title is whore. She whored you for a drivers license. Just leave it at that. If you let a gal like that then you hurt yourself. Braddah, BTW I define whore as a woman who lies to get something. Not really someone who sleeps for money. Some women maybe need to do it to support child or family but a gal who lies to get material goods is a whore.

Greatking
24-09-2011, 01:13 PM
Braddah, the capable part is acceptable. As all women deserve a capable man. But I'm not sure braddah if the rich part is valid. Shows greed.

N you fail to live as a human. Greed is reality. No greed, become nun. You have your greed, but you doesn't allow it to resort to indecent behavior. Everyone has greed, its just that if one doesn't have the ability to do it e decent way, then... be it ;)

wolfy
24-09-2011, 01:46 PM
life goes on bro.

you might feel like shit for a while but you have to climb back up again.

mrsg
24-09-2011, 02:09 PM
It is better to be loved than to love. Trust me, I go thru more hell in term of relationship. Women are complicated creatures! But remember that it is not worth to cry over a woman. Simple not worth it!

goodpartner
24-09-2011, 02:59 PM
rich.. and she leech. maybe she found someone richer... who can sponsor to get a chauffeur for her...

Ya lor, must be the case :o

Granted, she is a FL (or whatever our braddah here wants to define) afterall. The gist of my sharing here is just to empathize with TS lah, never mind the FL part. The main points are:

- Girls (maybe all humans) are the same; they go for the better & higher.
- If human don't care for their own self interest first, sky will drop & ground will break.

In most r/s, there are lies, false hopes/plans, betrayal, change of mindset, greed, and unfairness. Some took a much longer time maybe 10-year together to realize. mine took 1-day :D Just bear with the grief and must move on with life; need new one to replace the old, be it rebound or go GL to visit pros. Just don't commit suicide!

p.s. I'm going through the "Anger & Bargaining" phase of grief now; trying to find out what kind of condo and bigger car she's getting. Yea, I should have offered to be her driver instead of the other way, maybe that's the reason.... LMAO

goodpartner
24-09-2011, 03:06 PM
Braddah, you should not fret. You call her FL but real title is whore. She whored you for a drivers license. Just leave it at that. If you let a gal like that then you hurt yourself. Braddah, BTW I define whore as a woman who lies to get something. Not really someone who sleeps for money. Some women maybe need to do it to support child or family but a gal who lies to get material goods is a whore.

Bra, don't get too hang up on the terms we use loosely here la; FL or whore or pros or WL, whatever... we know what we mean. BTW, she brought (past tense for bring, not buy) her own driver license, as she already own a car back home (quite high-class type ;)). So she did not whored me for one.

Anyways, I've to agree with you on the last statement/definition, even though it's quite a broad base statement that sweep across all types of women. I know some maids fall in that category too. :cool:

etct88
24-09-2011, 05:13 PM
Think positive:

Should feel lucky that it happened now..... :)

orneryjoe
25-09-2011, 08:47 AM
MrPilot....

Your tale is actually a good illustiation that it's not just men who crave sexual variety, but women as well.

We are a non-monogamous species and would thrive better without the cultural baggage of monogamy hanging over our heads.

Stud00
26-09-2011, 12:33 PM
Bro, in honest opinion,

The BEST thing you can do now, is to move on, and put your heart and soul into things that are much more productive and rewarding, build up your career and etc.. spend time with your family and loved ones, pick up a new hobby.. Trust me, you would be over her in no time..

Cheers




had you for 2 years. never really understood why we broke up. never really found out the reason why, or probably it never got into me why you had to break up with me over a matter we rarely talked about it in 2 years, a problem we never had an issue with, a problem we mutually agreed that when the day comes, we will never break up over it.

and for this few weeks, i still can't bring myself to accept the cruel fact how you managed to just give this whole relationship up, how you just blatantly forgot our moments together, how this wonderful relationship turned sour overnight. it took just a mere 2 days for you to change, to change into someone i don't know. suddenly you decided that this relationship wasn't what you want anymore, suddenly you wanted a new life without me.

have you ever thought of what was left for me? i gave up so much, sacrificed so much shit for you, but now all it is left is an un-caring, can't be bothered girl of you. why did you have to lie, why did you have to break my heart so badly again?

i had so much hopes in our relationship, and now you took it all away from me. i pinned so much hopes everyday, did all i could to keep this going, but why did you have to choose my weakest spot to attack? why couldn't you understand what i've been feeling? you knew exactly what you were doing, you knew exactly how i will feel because if we were to change positions, you will be devastated too. so why did you do it? why did you have to throw away a future we have longed for in the past 2 years? why did you have to do this to me?

everyday i pray for an answer, either from you or from somewhere else i don't really care. never one day passed could i get you out of my head, just wishing one day i'll be brave enough to stand like a man in front of you again.




sorry people, just venting out, ain't suppose to be a post for anybody.

cheers

monger007
26-09-2011, 05:35 PM
MrPilot my advice for u is to pcc, go out party, drunk dial phonebook. Rinse and repeat before u know it u either met someone better or u discover life has so many girls to offer besides that cb ex. :D good luck and keep mongering!

colins
30-09-2011, 05:21 PM
My gal told me, once you are capable and rich, gals will come to you. My gal said if i m capable and rich, i do not even need to worry bout losing her, she will be the one worrying that she might lose me.

Sad to say, after almost a year, i'm still e one afraid of losing her:(

When I was younger, my mum told me that too. But when I grow old, I realised the same girl will also leave you once you become less capable and less rich. Isn't capability or wealth a subjective notion? If a girl constantly seeks security from material wealth, then nothing in this world would satisfy her. Wouldn't it be sad to have her for life in that case?

So if you use the same standard to measure yourself, then you're going to forever lose out to the next man richer than you. How can you then not be afraid of losing her? In the end, it will just lead you into a self-fulfilling prophecy right?

It is better to be loved than to love. Trust me, I go thru more hell in term of relationship. Women are complicated creatures! But remember that it is not worth to cry over a woman. Simple not worth it!

Yes it is not worth crying for a betrayer, woman or not. But it is definitely worth crying for yourself, for having been betrayed.

Shadow_warrior
30-09-2011, 05:28 PM
As a older man, almost 40

I have had 7 official relationships, some unofficial not recorded. Some were so called betrayed, cheated- alot of women are just slut, bitches, whores(sorry but its true for the new class of girls)

1. Stop being sad, she doesnt know about it, she doesnt care. So why mop over someone who doesnt care you are sad? She is out there happening, happy, messing around, having new highs. When you see that truth that she is not mopping like you, you will know its not worth it. Women can be very very heartless once they change their hearts, they dont think of old memories. We men live in the past, women move on- very quickly.

2. Go out there and bang the shit out of people. The best way to get over someone is in the arms of another, bang ons, bang pros, whores whatever. But get yourself to a point where your self confidence is up again, you dont feel rejected but accepted loved, that you can still find love out there.

hope my experience has helped you, feel better.

Gaofar
30-09-2011, 09:07 PM
Another classic example that men are more emotional creatures by nature than women..

I've seen it, witnessed it, countless times but still sometimes am amazed by the behaviours exhibited by these women..

Men tends to look and appreciated at women's characters and flair more closely than our other half. I mean you don't see guys "jump-ship" whenever the relationship has reached a low in terms of financial, with us men instead will hold on to the relationship steadfastly and try to tide the difficult times over.

But not for women. She'll be the first to jump the moment she detect the ship is sinking, irregardless how much she might adored her man or like about his qualities.

No sir, she'll jump alright!

Call me ancient or antique.. I really love the women of yester-years whom have hearts of gold and a behaviour of "if my man goes down, I will go down with him" mentality. 有福同享,有难同当... I would kill to find such grades of women..

Times changed.. Either us men got to learn and roll with the game or still trying to find that elusive/rare "your only one"...

Cheers and regards.

owl888
30-09-2011, 09:58 PM
I think the word "betrayed" is too strong, no relationships are perpetual. There will b a time when all ends as chinese says 天下没有不散的宴席!
So a complete severance of ties may do u good, as it helps to propel u to maturity and new relationships.

It's a forest of gals out there, i m sure we can find the right women to be together for the rest of our lives..........but it takes time.

Do network more, i m sure if u r good there will be dozens of gals queuing up to be your gal friend.

V|ernar
26-11-2011, 09:35 AM
Call me ancient or antique.. I really love the women of yester-years whom have hearts of gold and a behaviour of "if my man goes down, I will go down with him" mentality. 有福同享,有难同当... I would kill to find such grades of women..

Times changed.. Either us men got to learn and roll with the game or still trying to find that elusive/rare "your only one"...

Cheers and regards.

that the reason why i havent left my currently woman .. trying to find the spark back .. when i was low point , she was there .. and now she is happily enjoying the fruit .. while i had lost interest in her.. but i wont leave her , it kind of responsible that all man should have .

ThaiBeautiful
26-11-2011, 11:30 AM
that the reason why i havent left my currently woman .. trying to find the spark back .. when i was low point , she was there .. and now she is happily enjoying the fruit .. while i had lost interest in her.. but i wont leave her , it kind of responsible that all man should have .

You are loyal and RARE! That's what I can say. :)
Good man!

mrsg
26-11-2011, 03:45 PM
My only advices to bro out there is trust no women!
That is my personal life experience.

Gaofar
26-11-2011, 06:49 PM
My only advices to bro out there is trust no women!
That is my personal life experience.

Such a sentence would show just how much you understand about women.. :rolleyes: There is nothing in this world is of absolute, especially in the affairs of the heart..

Cheers ;)

xiaotiko85
27-11-2011, 02:20 PM
bro. just don think about her n keep going. keep yourself busy. take 1 week off go holiday n look for any girl no need to pay money one tell them i love u. trust me that night u will feel%50 better. try to bang any girl u can bang. must let those che bye play us know without them we r better. n more success person.

Big Sexy
27-11-2011, 04:44 PM
sorry to hear that mate..
but she probably didnt like your shit..
time to move on.. :)


i gave up so much, sacrificed so much shit for you,

yeepi
14-12-2011, 11:36 AM
had you for 2 years. never really understood why we broke up. never really found out the reason why, or probably it never got into me why you had to break up with me over a matter we rarely talked about it in 2 years, a problem we never had an issue with, a problem we mutually agreed that when the day comes, we will never break up over it.

and for this few weeks, i still can't bring myself to accept the cruel fact how you managed to just give this whole relationship up, how you just blatantly forgot our moments together, how this wonderful relationship turned sour overnight. it took just a mere 2 days for you to change, to change into someone i don't know. suddenly you decided that this relationship wasn't what you want anymore, suddenly you wanted a new life without me.

have you ever thought of what was left for me? i gave up so much, sacrificed so much shit for you, but now all it is left is an un-caring, can't be bothered girl of you. why did you have to lie, why did you have to break my heart so badly again?

i had so much hopes in our relationship, and now you took it all away from me. i pinned so much hopes everyday, did all i could to keep this going, but why did you have to choose my weakest spot to attack? why couldn't you understand what i've been feeling? you knew exactly what you were doing, you knew exactly how i will feel because if we were to change positions, you will be devastated too. so why did you do it? why did you have to throw away a future we have longed for in the past 2 years? why did you have to do this to me?

everyday i pray for an answer, either from you or from somewhere else i don't really care. never one day passed could i get you out of my head, just wishing one day i'll be brave enough to stand like a man in front of you again.




sorry people, just venting out, ain't suppose to be a post for anybody.

cheers

hi there bro. hope you will recover from this heartache soon. dont because 1 tree you give up the whole forest. there are girls out there who are willing to treasure what you give. times had changed. not every girl likes to be tied down.

Stud00
14-12-2011, 05:27 PM
Bro TS, in our life, we ALL will go through such heartaches. But the best part is, it doesnt kill you, and that that doesnt kill you, only makes you stronger and better.

Take some time to mourn and cry about it, but pick yourself up and move on..
Dude, noone likes hanging around emo guys.. :))

good luck!

Erae
16-12-2011, 11:08 AM
just move on ................

HCKing
17-12-2011, 02:32 AM
sigh ... some women r so "brutal" in the way they handle(end) their relationships & there isn't much we can prevent tis fr going.

women are generally more self centred and care most abt their own feelings than anything else. its not abt how good u treat her but how she feels abt u, thats y seasoned playboys always score as they are good at playing with girls feelings.

try sweet talk to a lau auntie and watch her cheeks turn red! women... :D

MrPilot
13-07-2012, 03:41 PM
Thanks everyone(:

Shadow_warrior
13-07-2012, 04:19 PM
The best way to forget someone is in the pussey of another...

remember that it will solve many heartaches

Shadow_warrior
13-07-2012, 04:59 PM
I feel compelled to leave my experience and hopefully it will be a form of wisdom or condolence to those who are experiencing heart pain or break up. We always think its the end of the world, that we are the only ones who are feeling this pain. And that it will never end, that the girl was the only one.
I want to say, its never true, and if you read my story, you will see, you will always find someone new

Firstly I am already in my 40s, had 7 serious relationships, the last girl I married, now my wife. And I also have a FB. Save that story for another thread.
In between had around 10 ONS, Flings, some with pub waitresses, friends, internet friends, Pagent queens, Air stewardess
Of course, WL/FLs too, but its rare because never really felt at ease with the strip and fuck immediately kinda culture.
ONS requires a process of seduction

Looking back, I think I never wanted to have ONS, never really felt good after the experience, whether it was a good fuck or not. Felt kind of empty. did it to escape the pain, but like the chinese say, no fish, prawn also good, between a rock and a hard place, it was better to feel better from fucking someone else, than to dwell on your gf who had just broken your heart by fucking another guy

I had a traumatic 6 exes
The first was puppy love, when I was in my teens. Someone from church.
She claimed to be a virgin, but 2 fingers could go in in finger fucking
I was silly and religious at that time, so I would say dumb fuck things like if I sleep with you, no guy would want you next time, lets save ourselves for marriage. I know- stupid fuck right? End up she was out fucking, seducing everyone she saw. Found out when her best friend couldnt take it anymore and told me. The thing was I kept forgiving her, religious teachings, 7X7. In the end she was fucking everyone except me, and I doubt she was a virgin. She broke up with me every chance she got, even before O levels- which fucked up my Os. In OCS I got injured, had an operation and had to be in bed 1 year. She broke up with me then. Next 2 years- I listen to wang jie songs like 一場遊戲一場夢 to cry over that girl.

The second ex
I left singapore, was so sad, after army went overseas to study
Met a girl that look so angelic, felt she couldnt hurt me, was from church too, fell in love with her, she was slim too(did I mentioned the lying cheating first ex was FAT!!!)
And it was all good, thought I am finally found the one, and one day she went out with some friend, she slept with that guy. No warning.....Told her to fuck off. She as my first sex experience, it was shit, I was like, is that all? She kept screaming another guy's name. Turned out she was skepzo, and now on disability handouts downunder.

The third ex
I had it. So I turned bad, I mean like if people gonna fuck my girls, I gonna fuck other people's girls so I met a Miss Brisbane Chinatown. In a drunken ONS with too many tequila shots, we started. She was a single mom, rocking body and face 99% like Joey Wong. But she was engaged to a guy in hongkong. Getting involved in a 3 person relationship was shit. When he came to brisbane, he would fuck her and when he left, she would come back to me. To deal with the pain of her fucking someone else, I went on a ONS search, japanese, koreans, vietnamese, malaysians, fucked anyone who wanted to fuck me- but it always felt empty, but still in someway comforting because at least she cheated me, I cheat back on her. Had to come back and I felt that the other guy was better for her, so we ended it. He found out about me and still wanted her so being emotionally fucked up with baggage, it was better for me to back off. We had great sex, most days just days in the room. Fucked everywhere.

The fourth ex
Met her when I came back, was this girl who I met before going to australia, she was 6-8 years younger. She gave me her first time. She cheated, well not fucked her guys but made out with other guys, flirted on HP, SMSs
Couldnt take it, 2 years later, I took her to fuck off. She was a church goer too.

The fifth ex
Now a deputy director in a Ministry, she was a JC classmate. Meeting her thought it was fate, she liked me when I was in JC, but I was involved with the FAT ex, the first cheating one(remember?). She was great, but then she was into money and I wasnt financially great, so she cheated with someone rich and powerful. The sex was great though. Did I mentioned she goes to church and lifts hands to god?

The sixth ex
Not much to talk about her, just a normal ah lian in a pub, quite messed up, but we had good sex, big breasts, was 10 years younger etc...From the scandel church. Anyway one day she said she didnt love me anymore. Not sure if there was an third party, but knowing her, might very likely be.

I said all this to say, life goes on, you always think its the end of the word, but it never is. The 5th ex, broke up with me on V day, and she went out with someone else on V day that year which also was chinese new year. I cried myself stupid, and thinking I still had family to eat reunion dinner with, NOPE. Mom and brother ate first that year, dad went to another women's house to eat. First day of new year, they quarrelled and went to each other families to visit. I went to JB to fuck a WL at New York, before the fuck, felt like shit, after that(was a lousy fuck) felt okay, well life goes on.

Between break ups, I went on a all you can fuck buffet, so I screwed a few waitresses, back to back, a miss singapore, a malaysian JB girl a few others I cant recall. So to solve my heart pain, I went to put my dick in another hole to feel accepted since I was rejected from others. It worked.

So the long and the short of the story is when you are downtrodden in life over relationships, find solace in another's arms, fuck another hole, and you will find your "heart" gets over the pain much quicker. If they cheat you cheat back. If you can cheat first(of course make sure she deserves this kinda hurt), I dated girls who deserved shit seriously.
Trust is BS. No one should say they trust the other person, because people change. No one stays the same, we are all just walking this path and changing as we go along. I have met the most deceptive girls, the heartless ones who will say dont kill yourself in front of me if you want to do it somewhere else, those who get caught red handed and just say- sorry you had to find out this way.

Life is a journey, you never know what is the score till the end, its a numbers game- so play to win

Ladyrain
13-07-2012, 08:55 PM
If only it's this easy for a woman...

sarenwang
16-07-2012, 01:17 PM
i can feel your pain bro...

My gf of 4 years left me in july 2011 and already had a bf....

same situation as you...theres never a day i didnt think of her and our moments together....

whats worse is that, she had completely cut off communication from me...
are you sure about that?
ha

Marcel
19-07-2012, 02:04 AM
I feel compelled to leave my experience and hopefully it will be a form of wisdom or condolence to those who are experiencing heart pain or break up. We always think its the end of the world, that we are the only ones who are feeling this pain. And that it will never end, that the girl was the only one.
I want to say, its never true, and if you read my story, you will see, you will always find someone new




Bro nice words of wisdom but the problem is while the pain is still fresh and you're feeling like doesn't she like me and did i get dumped that sort of thing.

Have you ever had your self esteem taken down cos of gals that broke up with you like that? Like somehow you feel you're just inferior when it happens to you?

Your 5th ex breaking up with you on v day sounds like the most painful. Pai seh i cannot remember everything about all your exes. Then your own family seems complicated too like your dad has another family and how they didn't eat reunion dinner together.

Thankfully my family isn't like that and my dad never married another woman and had a kid with her but still i feel kind of lousy. I started a thread on some type of fling/ relationship with a foreign gal and i just sort of feel it's not going to go anywhere and i just feel sad that the gal can simply not like you and it's just like that. Yes it's not the end of the world but fuck life's journey isn't smooth, wonder how i can change my circumstances.


I re-read on your 4th and 6th ex and wow the 4th ex reminds me of some of the gals that i been and observed. It's amazing you can tolerate her flirting, making out with other guys for 2 yrs. That's really sucky. The 6th ex just shows how cold blooded some gals are. Usually on movies and on tv they always show the guy as the cold blooded one but there are many cold blooded bitches out there. Just say to you 1 fine day i don't love you anymore bye bye fuck off from my life. I'm leaving and i don't care if you feel hurt.

Nato17
22-07-2012, 11:40 PM
Another classic example that men are more emotional creatures by nature than women..

I've seen it, witnessed it, countless times but still sometimes am amazed by the behaviours exhibited by these women..

Men tends to look and appreciated at women's characters and flair more closely than our other half. I mean you don't see guys "jump-ship" whenever the relationship has reached a low in terms of financial, with us men instead will hold on to the relationship steadfastly and try to tide the difficult times over.

But not for women. She'll be the first to jump the moment she detect the ship is sinking, irregardless how much she might adored her man or like about his qualities.

No sir, she'll jump alright!

Call me ancient or antique.. I really love the women of yester-years whom have hearts of gold and a behaviour of "if my man goes down, I will go down with him" mentality. 有福同享,有难同当... I would kill to find such grades of women..

Times changed.. Either us men got to learn and roll with the game or still trying to find that elusive/rare "your only one"...

Cheers and regards.

The ExCo Concurs that "she'll jump ships" SIR.

Marcel
23-07-2012, 03:26 AM
Seriously it's threads like this that shows that there are probably an equal number of men that are loyal and reliable or who knows even more than the women.

In the media it's always portrayed as the poor suffering woman betrayed by her bastard of a bf/husband and she's made to look like a fool.

I think the only women that are really suffering are in places where they lack women's rights like say pakistan, saudi arabia where they hold down the woman so she lacks any choice or would suffer henious punishment for cheating or leaving her man.

MrPilot
23-07-2012, 09:26 PM
thanks for sharing your experiences. and yes i totally agree on BS. i'm learning as i'm moving on, wasn't so wild before but man, i'm picturing that i am in the near future.

thanks for letting me know that i am right that there are really a lot of screwed up women out there.

meisha
27-07-2012, 07:21 AM
thanks for sharing your experiences. and yes i totally agree on BS. i'm learning as i'm moving on, wasn't so wild before but man, i'm picturing that i am in the near future.

thanks for letting me know that i am right that there are really a lot of screwed up women out there.

Its good to move on,being optimistic is a good thing, but I would say its wrong saying there are lots of screwed up women out there. Its their own choice of individual to make them screwed or not.

Here to share my experience with you. my best friend was one but I didn't became a FL's,she was encouraging me all along to lose my virginity instead of losing It with no transcition,.she then encourage me to be one, again ,I decline. Up till today I only had touched 2 dicks in life and I managed to stop the internal struggle in me after the first nightmare I had. If today I would accept my friend suggestion I will be screwed,So as I repeat, choices is in the hands of individual.

MrPilot
31-07-2012, 10:15 PM
Its good to move on,being optimistic is a good thing, but I would say its wrong saying there are lots of screwed up women out there. Its their own choice of individual to make them screwed or not.

Here to share my experience with you. my best friend was one but I didn't became a FL's,she was encouraging me all along to lose my virginity instead of losing It with no transcition,.she then encourage me to be one, again ,I decline. Up till today I only had touched 2 dicks in life and I managed to stop the internal struggle in me after the first nightmare I had. If today I would accept my friend suggestion I will be screwed,So as I repeat, choices is in the hands of individual.

thanks, and i respect you for that (:

BigInStone
03-08-2012, 01:16 AM
bro Shadow_warrior u are 'fucking-buffett" and i agree with ur opinion abt fucking another cunt...also scientifically,having sex releases endorphines,that shit is responsible in making u feel good...might explain why u felt better after sex....

anyways,nowadays,local women are getting more and more fucked up...and they are the one blaming us men for fucking them up.....women! pfffffft!

Shadow_warrior
03-08-2012, 01:29 AM
Bro nice words of wisdom but the problem is while the pain is still fresh and you're feeling like doesn't she like me and did i get dumped that sort of thing.
Have you ever had your self esteem taken down cos of gals that broke up with you like that? Like somehow you feel you're just inferior when it happens to you?
Your 5th ex breaking up with you on v day sounds like the most painful. Pai seh i cannot remember everything about all your exes. Then your own family seems complicated too like your dad has another family and how they didn't eat reunion dinner together.
Thankfully my family isn't like that and my dad never married another woman and had a kid with her but still i feel kind of lousy. I started a thread on some type of fling/ relationship with a foreign gal and i just sort of feel it's not going to go anywhere and i just feel sad that the gal can simply not like you and it's just like that. Yes it's not the end of the world but fuck life's journey isn't smooth, wonder how i can change my circumstances.
I re-read on your 4th and 6th ex and wow the 4th ex reminds me of some of the gals that i been and observed. It's amazing you can tolerate her flirting, making out with other guys for 2 yrs. That's really sucky. The 6th ex just shows how cold blooded some gals are. Usually on movies and on tv they always show the guy as the cold blooded one but there are many cold blooded bitches out there. Just say to you 1 fine day i don't love you anymore bye bye fuck off from my life. I'm leaving and i don't care if you feel hurt.

Well my friend I said all that to say, its just another experience

Life is a journey and sure, it sucks when bad things happen, but then again, nothing ever stays the same. Things change, good to bad, and bad to good. Thats life. The fight ends when you have breathe your last

Let me say this, when you are feeling lousy, she doesnt care, not even 1 bit. Some guys try to kill themselves try to get sympathy, get the girl to care. It just pushes her away more. Go out and bang a hole to feel better, I assure it, it works. And no girl wants a needy guy, better to leave with your head up high.

Just know, its not the end of the world, and a whole world of people have it worse off, so you dont get the right to pity yourself. Its just a relationship, most times it wouldnt be your first, neither your last.

There's a song called different seasons by johnny hates jazz, words of wisdom after my first, still damn relevant today.

MountainTurtle
03-08-2012, 08:34 AM
Well my friend I said all that to say, its just another experience

Life is a journey and sure, it sucks when bad things happen, but then again, nothing ever stays the same. Things change, good to bad, and bad to good. Thats life. The fight ends when you have breathe your last

Let me say this, when you are feeling lousy, she doesnt care, not even 1 bit. Some guys try to kill themselves try to get sympathy, get the girl to care. It just pushes her away more. Go out and bang a hole to feel better, I assure it, it works. And no girl wants a needy guy, better to leave with your head up high.

Just know, its not the end of the world, and a whole world of people have it worse off, so you dont get the right to pity yourself. Its just a relationship, most times it wouldnt be your first, neither your last.

There's a song called different seasons by johnny hates jazz, words of wisdom after my first, still damn relevant today.

I wouldn't say this is a good advice, because of a moment of let down by your gf doesn't mean you can go out and enjoy another cunt outside. Do you think its fair for the girl? What if she do it the same to you would you like it? If you don't mind means you are just treating her no different from a FB. Calling it that A r/s is just like an illusion.

Shadow_warrior
03-08-2012, 12:17 PM
I wouldn't say this is a good advice, because of a moment of let down by your gf doesn't mean you can go out and enjoy another cunt outside. Do you think its fair for the girl? What if she do it the same to you would you like it? If you don't mind means you are just treating her no different from a FB. Calling it that A r/s is just like an illusion.

to each his own, ask the experienced men how he feels

or the men who tried to killed themselves over a cheating wife or gf.

Or the men whose gf, wife said to them dont die in front of me because I

dont want to see blood

Fair? You are slapping yourself in the face. A girl lets you down(its called a

moment of let down) And when you do it(you have to be fair?)

all is fair in love and war

You still wet behind the ears, get some experience with life and another 10-20

years then talk again. Only women talk about slanted values like that, a win

for them, a total loss for the man. Try telling your men the same thing, you can cheat, he have to endure, he cant. See if he

shares your sendiment

RedSpider
04-08-2012, 06:40 PM
Great that u took the time to share with us. i have had my share of heartaches but I guess as u get older, u dun give that much fuck about it. As long as u have a stable family, the rest of the ECAs outside are pretty meaningless to me. I screw wen i wanna screw them n if they give me too much shit, i just screw them off. Not worth the damn trouble. Women can be fucking cruel so we might as well be cruel and heartless too.

I feel compelled to leave my experience and hopefully it will be a form of wisdom or condolence to those who are experiencing heart pain or break up. We always think its the end of the world, that we are the only ones who are feeling this pain. And that it will never end, that the girl was the only one.
I want to say, its never true, and if you read my story, you will see, you will always find someone new

Firstly I am already in my 40s, had 7 serious relationships, the last girl I married, now my wife. And I also have a FB. Save that story for another thread.
In between had around 10 ONS, Flings, some with pub waitresses, friends, internet friends, Pagent queens, Air stewardess
Of course, WL/FLs too, but its rare because never really felt at ease with the strip and fuck immediately kinda culture.
ONS requires a process of seduction

Looking back, I think I never wanted to have ONS, never really felt good after the experience, whether it was a good fuck or not. Felt kind of empty. did it to escape the pain, but like the chinese say, no fish, prawn also good, between a rock and a hard place, it was better to feel better from fucking someone else, than to dwell on your gf who had just broken your heart by fucking another guy

I had a traumatic 6 exes
The first was puppy love, when I was in my teens. Someone from church.
She claimed to be a virgin, but 2 fingers could go in in finger fucking
I was silly and religious at that time, so I would say dumb fuck things like if I sleep with you, no guy would want you next time, lets save ourselves for marriage. I know- stupid fuck right? End up she was out fucking, seducing everyone she saw. Found out when her best friend couldnt take it anymore and told me. The thing was I kept forgiving her, religious teachings, 7X7. In the end she was fucking everyone except me, and I doubt she was a virgin. She broke up with me every chance she got, even before O levels- which fucked up my Os. In OCS I got injured, had an operation and had to be in bed 1 year. She broke up with me then. Next 2 years- I listen to wang jie songs like 一場遊戲一場夢 to cry over that girl.

The second ex
I left singapore, was so sad, after army went overseas to study
Met a girl that look so angelic, felt she couldnt hurt me, was from church too, fell in love with her, she was slim too(did I mentioned the lying cheating first ex was FAT!!!)
And it was all good, thought I am finally found the one, and one day she went out with some friend, she slept with that guy. No warning.....Told her to fuck off. She as my first sex experience, it was shit, I was like, is that all? She kept screaming another guy's name. Turned out she was skepzo, and now on disability handouts downunder.

The third ex
I had it. So I turned bad, I mean like if people gonna fuck my girls, I gonna fuck other people's girls so I met a Miss Brisbane Chinatown. In a drunken ONS with too many tequila shots, we started. She was a single mom, rocking body and face 99% like Joey Wong. But she was engaged to a guy in hongkong. Getting involved in a 3 person relationship was shit. When he came to brisbane, he would fuck her and when he left, she would come back to me. To deal with the pain of her fucking someone else, I went on a ONS search, japanese, koreans, vietnamese, malaysians, fucked anyone who wanted to fuck me- but it always felt empty, but still in someway comforting because at least she cheated me, I cheat back on her. Had to come back and I felt that the other guy was better for her, so we ended it. He found out about me and still wanted her so being emotionally fucked up with baggage, it was better for me to back off. We had great sex, most days just days in the room. Fucked everywhere.

The fourth ex
Met her when I came back, was this girl who I met before going to australia, she was 6-8 years younger. She gave me her first time. She cheated, well not fucked her guys but made out with other guys, flirted on HP, SMSs
Couldnt take it, 2 years later, I took her to fuck off. She was a church goer too.

The fifth ex
Now a deputy director in a Ministry, she was a JC classmate. Meeting her thought it was fate, she liked me when I was in JC, but I was involved with the FAT ex, the first cheating one(remember?). She was great, but then she was into money and I wasnt financially great, so she cheated with someone rich and powerful. The sex was great though. Did I mentioned she goes to church and lifts hands to god?

The sixth ex
Not much to talk about her, just a normal ah lian in a pub, quite messed up, but we had good sex, big breasts, was 10 years younger etc...From the scandel church. Anyway one day she said she didnt love me anymore. Not sure if there was an third party, but knowing her, might very likely be.

I said all this to say, life goes on, you always think its the end of the word, but it never is. The 5th ex, broke up with me on V day, and she went out with someone else on V day that year which also was chinese new year. I cried myself stupid, and thinking I still had family to eat reunion dinner with, NOPE. Mom and brother ate first that year, dad went to another women's house to eat. First day of new year, they quarrelled and went to each other families to visit. I went to JB to fuck a WL at New York, before the fuck, felt like shit, after that(was a lousy fuck) felt okay, well life goes on.

Between break ups, I went on a all you can fuck buffet, so I screwed a few waitresses, back to back, a miss singapore, a malaysian JB girl a few others I cant recall. So to solve my heart pain, I went to put my dick in another hole to feel accepted since I was rejected from others. It worked.

So the long and the short of the story is when you are downtrodden in life over relationships, find solace in another's arms, fuck another hole, and you will find your "heart" gets over the pain much quicker. If they cheat you cheat back. If you can cheat first(of course make sure she deserves this kinda hurt), I dated girls who deserved shit seriously.
Trust is BS. No one should say they trust the other person, because people change. No one stays the same, we are all just walking this path and changing as we go along. I have met the most deceptive girls, the heartless ones who will say dont kill yourself in front of me if you want to do it somewhere else, those who get caught red handed and just say- sorry you had to find out this way.

Life is a journey, you never know what is the score till the end, its a numbers game- so play to win

kenl8888
05-11-2012, 06:15 AM
Don't you realise it's all a natural process.. If you watch documentaries on nature and the study the behavior of female animals, you will understand that they are brutal and only choose whom they think is the best to bore children with. Males on the other hand.. have to put in a lot of effort and feeling to woo the opposite sex. So just accept it as nature and you will feel much better..
Take care of your self.. You are one in 300 million and truly unique.. so be good to yourself and throw away all those feelings which will make you sad.. Happy or sad , you still have to live.. I was devastated when faced with rejection 40 years AGO.. Luckily i choose to let go and met another lady who really cares for me and now we are happily married for 35 years.. Bad don't go .. Good cannot come... Your time will come..

queeniegal
06-11-2012, 12:52 AM
Sigh I still think human will betray whether is female or male

Some male really go thru load but some female they also went thru loads.

when you being hurt you start to feel resentment and what to revenge the the whole vicious cycle just repeat?

Maybe I have nt see the world yet but still I'm sure there will be someone who really care for u in another end of the world

tantan1234
06-11-2012, 01:07 AM
another heart-breaking thread!


Me too trying to recover from loss.

So many days past, only one msg from the girl.
Asked me how am I, got gf already? I no longer care for her.

When I replied u no longer love me, can see from yr face, she didn't reply.

If she hack care me why sms me? Why still ask that I dont care?
Of course I dont care. How to when u said u dont like me already.

Damn contradicting. Esp when u dont reply to my msg, like u throw the blame on me not caring.


Girls! When they decide to move on, they move on, without turning her head

Austere
15-11-2012, 10:37 PM
another heart-breaking thread!


Me too trying to recover from loss.

So many days past, only one msg from the girl.
Asked me how am I, got gf already? I no longer care for her.

When I replied u no longer love me, can see from yr face, she didn't reply.

If she hack care me why sms me? Why still ask that I dont care?
Of course I dont care. How to when u said u dont like me already.

Damn contradicting. Esp when u dont reply to my msg, like u throw the blame on me not caring.


Girls! When they decide to move on, they move on, without turning her head


Bro, Can see you love her very deeply. She like that walk off, is she stupid. Chances are she might nv find another man like you.

You should move on, focus on career/studies. Like others said, Bad one dont go, Good one dont come. Keep a lookout for suitable girls also :)

tantan1234
16-11-2012, 01:08 AM
Bro, Can see you love her very deeply. She like that walk off, is she stupid. Chances are she might nv find another man like you.

You should move on, focus on career/studies. Like others said, Bad one dont go, Good one dont come. Keep a lookout for suitable girls also :)

Great advice frm another great brother here. Yes. WE SHOULD MOVE ON

promster
20-11-2012, 07:23 PM
"She has every right to make the decision to leave you, but she definitely loses someone who truely loves her now ..."

Promster