Why do we love and cheat?

[stevekuint]

there are many good bros here sharing great tips and info on the real action stuff, but i remember a few years back when i first joined the SBF, as a newbie i am kind of lost, not just on how we do all these stuff, but why we do it. So i figured something is missing, something mental and spiritual. Don't laugh, I think it's important, otherwise we all will be eaten alive by guilt, shame, and don't understand who we are and get lost in all the actions. I think it's good to share some thoughts and put things into perspectives. Like why do we love and cheat at the same time? (for both guys and girls)

Note: What i am about to discuss do not consider the rigid boundary of what defines guys and girls, you can argue exception, but the truth is most guys behave the same way, most girls behave in certain way. And the girls i am talking about here apply to 16 years old to 45 years old. And guys i'm talking about apply to 16 years old to 70 years old.

Through my many years of experience, (of coz my experience only limited to marriage, girlfrenz, KTV, FL, WL, high-end, cheap-fuck, MILF, Thais, Singaporean, Malaysians, Philippinos, Indonesians, Viet, PRCs, Koreans, Russians), i concluded one universal law and 3 rules:

UNIVERSAL LAW: Men cheat for sex. Women cheat for money!
(many people say men are cheaters. They are fucking stupid, who do they think these men are cheating with?)

3 Rules:
Rule #1: Guys need money to fuck,
Rule #2: Girls need to fuck to get money,
Rule #3: When girls got enough money, they refuse to fuck with guys, until they found some more things they want, and they'll fuck to get what they want.

Trust me it's true for almost all guys and girls, some may claim they are different. I agree, they are different, but they are not different in nature, they are only different in price tag (for girls), and different in balls (for guys). Some girls have higher price tag than others. Guys with no balls of coz don't want to fuck no more.

To sustain my argument, i am hereby going to release some national statistics in Singapore through my years of research, as well as some facts and figures. :)

GIRLS and their price tag (in SGD):

WL at Geylang: Price tag: $30 to $150 per fuck
FL (MILF & Masseurs): Price tag: $80 to $200 per fuck
FL (PRC): Price tag: $80 to $120 per fuck
FL (Thai & SEA): Price tag: $60 to $100 per fuck
FL (Koreans & Jap): Price tag: $250 to $500 per fuck
FL (Singaporean): Price tag: $500 to $2,000 per fuck
FL (Caucasians): Price tag: $500 to $2,000 per fuck
Porn Stars: Price tag: $3,000 to $20,000 per fuck
Girl next door (ugly): Price tag: two movie tickets + good restaurant dinner + sweet talk (a couple of fucks)
Girl next door (good-looking):Price tag: a LV/Gucci/Chanel bag + fancy dinner date (3 to 5 fucks)
Girl with good education: Price tag: a diamond ring + a house + a car (this package will get you about 50 fucks or so)
Girl who are rich: Price tag: a luxurious date + a sports car/jet/yacht + expensive jewellery (for 20 fucks perhaps)
Girl with good career: Price tag: a million-dollar business deal, like the one offered by our (CNB) chief and SCDF chief
Models: Price tag: a good career advancement or the same conditions in "Girls with good education"
Movie Stars: Price tag: an opportunity to become super star, like Zhang Ziyi and Gong Li, all sleeping with Director
Successful Powerful Women: This group is different. (they are in fact turning into guys, but they just didn't realize it yet.)


GUYS and their sex budgets:

Normal Singaporean Guys: they cheat by paying real money for fuck. Statistics shown that 1 in 3 Singaporean guys cheats (the other 1/3 are children, 1/3 are either too old or too sick to cheat, that means almost all guys cheat), but not everyone's cheating budgets are the same.
Movie Stars : they cheat by simply shooting different movies with different girls and when their wives found out, they just replace their wives with the new actress (Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, George Clooney etc)
Politician: they cheat in the office and in fancy hotels, with private parties and very small, tight circle (Bill Clinton, IMF Chief, etc. I'm sure George Bush is definitely one of them, i can tell from his face. :)
Business executives: they cheat when they travel, that's why they are ALWAYS travelling
Movie/Music producers: they cheat by giving empty promises to girls that they can become stars
Authors and Writers: they cheat by lying to girls that they are writing a book. (you think Singapore's Author Gerrie Lim (in his book Invisible Trade) just interviewed those girls? Hell no, he fucked them first, then did his interview.
Emperor (the ultimate fucker): why so many people want to be emperors? because the emperor can fuck one thousands girls legally.


So you see, the real problem here is that once girls got what they want, they stopped giving sex to guys.
But guys need sex, because that's the ultimate/never-ending goal. So this is like a vicious cycle, and guys have to make more money to find sex from someone else once he paid up for one girl's money needs (assuming the girl is rich, no longer needs money.

Let's be completely honest, if you were a girl, you got the chance to fuck Brad Pitt and get $10 million from him, you'd probably ditch your current husband or boyfriend, and went ahead fucking Brad Pitt without hesitation (well, probably wept a bit after you got the money). And if you were a guy, and your wife fucked you 3 times a day, do you have any interest or energy to go outside and fuck others? the answer is NOOOOOOOOO. And from biological point of view, this is exactly how our biological bodies are built. Women can withstand sex intercourse like 10 times a day, every day (except code red) and for several years, without any problem, in fact, it promotes better health to women. But for guys, you can try two ejaculations everyday for a month, you'll be near dead soon.

The root of all evil is girls' greed for money, and their manipulation of men's sexual drive (by not giving to men until they get what they want). And this is i think how the world works, and why this SBF exists. But what i don't understand is why men have to carry this cheating image and guilt. It's the manipulating greed of women that shall be put into the spotlight.

Well, it's just my 20 cents worth. If you bros share my feelings and enjoy the reading, I appreciate your feedback or points or info/tips on good girls. ;) feel free to PM me and exchange some ideas. Cheers.

[ConsensualLust]

TS, every woman has a "PRICE"? is very sexist remark thou. Yes there are many indecent proposals around that tempt woman. But I am sure not all women can be brought and also not all men has 10 million dollars to tempt. Although this is a sex forum where women can be brought, your statements cannot be applied to all. Don't forget we are men borned of women.

[cheenaan]

You are so right. People who are denying this fact are still ignorant

[callmebad]

women can be as horny as men
sometimes they also have their needs too
not necessary they go to bed just for the sake of money
you see, some rich women go for gigolo, they even have to pay money for male company

as guys, don't bother to try to understand women, because we will never understand them

women is just like the pc in front of me, often I don't know why it gives me problems for no good reasons

when with women, just play with your ears,
sometimes if no way out, have to act dumb, deaf, mute

[DreamOfLust]

*claps*

very nicely and honestly written...

altho I might beg to differ on some points... I agree to about 80-90% of what you said...

the price tag part for diff classes of women kinda amuse me tho... didn't know you could 'rank' them like that.. :D

[HornynWetGal]

Gals cheat for:
1) excitement
2) bigger dick
3) to feel sexy when other guys fuck them
4) money
5) to feel song cos their partner cannot satisfied


Tt's my point. Does not represent all gals

[sgjoey]

Men cheat, or want to cheat because.... they are genetically pre-disposed to love variety.

Amongst other reasons, women cheat, or want to cheat because... whether they realise it or not, they are on the lookout for better genetic material so that they can produce "better" babies.

[tansy]

TS, every woman has a "PRICE"? is very sexist remark thou. Yes there are many indecent proposals around that tempt woman. But I am sure not all women can be brought and also not all men has 10 million dollars to tempt. Although this is a sex forum where women can be brought, your statements cannot be applied to all. Don't forget we are men borned of women.

I agree with this statement.

Maybe generally men and woman do behave in this way, but some people cheat because of the emotional connection too, regardless of gender.

To conform to this idea that all girls have their price tags regardless of their occupation is wrong. There are still girls who cheat not because of monetary benefits, you just have not met them yet. :)

[LovePotion]

This is the most brillant thread, i love it

At least we are the dominating ones =)

[stevekuint]

totally agree with you bro!
just want to add that additional point there, now saved the time thanks to you. :)

Men cheat, or want to cheat because.... they are genetically pre-disposed to love variety.

Amongst other reasons, women cheat, or want to cheat because... whether they realise it or not, they are on the lookout for better genetic material so that they can produce "better" babies.

[colorwolf888]

Birth control only makes cheating less risky for woman n more guilt free for man I suppose too :D

[stevekuint]

i understand where your points come from, yes, there are girls who no matter what they do couldn't get an erection from guy (trust me, i have experienced that), and there are guys who are so desperate that they will fuck a donut. We can list down many exceptions, but most men and women behave in this way bounded by the 3 laws.

Most importantly you are missing my points here. I am not here to argue about the price tag thingy. here is my agenda: I think women can make the world a better place by seeing this basic instinct and human nature of the two genders (men cheat for sex, women cheat for money, or more broadly, men live for sex, women live for money).

why do i say so? research has shown that there are 3 types of love. The lust for sexual gratification, the romantic love (puppy love), and the attachment love (the type of love we have for our children and parents, sometimes for your spouse as well). What you may not know is the fact that when we have sex, our body release a large amount of Oxytocin - a chemical that is responsible for us to have the feeling of romantic love and attachment love. That's why some bros keep going back to the same girl for sex can be easily got KCed.

but women don't understand that since they are not naturally built for deliberately spreading their gene pool through sex. So more often than less, they are using their natural understanding of men's sexual desire to get what they want. People always say that women are seductive, not because they want sex all the time like men do, but they want to use sex to get what they want. (and sometimes what they want is sex, like 1%, this can answer some of your questions i guess.)

but what i am concerned about is our family bonds, wives seems to use sex or lack of it as a punishment or as a means to control husband, which will drive the men to go out and get his Oxytocin.

Trust me, a world without love is a terrible place to live in. And all kinds of love is based on the effect of Oxytocin. So to all the wives, just want you to understand this point. If you think your hubbie is so different, only have sex with you once or twice a month, and he is still such a nice guy at home, that means he is getting a lot of his Oxytocin and sex from somewhere else to keep him sane.

lastly, I want to share a story with you when i decided to make this post.
One day, i was at a geylang 150 house, while a PRC is working on BJ for me, we were chitchatting, i said "your boyfriend must be very happy that you have such skills, he'll definitely enjoy it! what a way to keep a man's heart."
guess what she replied? she said, 'don't be crazy, i will never do any of these to my boyfriend. He is my boyfriend, and he needs to love me and give me all the things i want unconditionally, that's why he is my boyfriend right?"
I think to myself, "what the fuck? i think this girl really don't understand men. What seems to be funny is the fact that this girl fucks like 10 men a day, for almost one and half years, she did all the AR/FJ/BBBJ/CIM/COB and she reached this conclusion? What the fuck is wrong with this world?"

therefore, this incident made me want to write this thread, hopefully more girls or working ladies read this. They got the fucking wrong idea. that's my message to them "Fuck your men well and good, and a lot of your problems will go away, simply because this is how we were built as humans in the first place. We are meant to make love, not war. And you can't make love through all the nagging, disciplining, monitoring, checking handphones or logon to catchmycheatingspouse.com. Just fuck it." :cool:






I agree with this statement.

Maybe generally men and woman do behave in this way, but some people cheat because of the emotional connection too, regardless of gender.

To conform to this idea that all girls have their price tags regardless of their occupation is wrong. There are still girls who cheat not because of monetary benefits, you just have not met them yet. :)

[alvinskoh]

Well define about men and women.

[ac171]

Some woman don't cheat for money. They cheat for attention.

I have a few girlfriends who have cheated their BFs because they felt that their BFs are not giving them enough attention. Some of my married friends cheated on their husbands because their husbands are busy with their work/buddies and neglected the family.

[super_marvel]

TS!! I salute you!! I love your report!! Excellent!! Detailed, honest, good English usage... Splendid!

[chnhubby71]

We believe not everyone would like to do something to put their trustworthy at risk in a relationship.

It should consider each and individual needs and attention that everyone is seeking in a relationship like having mutual understanding, communication, needs and love for each others to keep our relationship in tag.

Unfortunately not everyone have a bed of Roses to make thing work.

I do met a few females either married or single that always say their hubby or b/f have no time to have sex with them or have no time to pay attention to their problems. That is why when they find someone that show some concern, it just click and it just a matter of time that they dun mind to explore further into relationship.

Just to share, both me and my wife do at times have a very dull sex life that we dun even have sex for months.

But at times, we do invite another friend of us to swing together when she has the mood to join me for the fun.

And till date, I do meet some other females to have my fun as she knew my sex drive is higher than her. But sometimes I do inform her whom I dated to go out but at times I had to lie to her to date other female inorder to release my urge.

Even tough we would love to have sex with her but at times thing do not turn what we love to do bro/sis.

[stevekuint]

thanks bro for the sharing. i have to say you have a very open-minded wife. ;) good for you. i am not sure about the swing community size in Singapore, i suspect it is not very high. but again, what do I know? those who know can share the stats. It'll be interesting to know. ;)


We believe not everyone would like to do something to put their trustworthy at risk in a relationship.

It should consider each and individual needs and attention that everyone is seeking in a relationship like having mutual understanding, communication, needs and love for each others to keep our relationship in tag.

Unfortunately not everyone have a bed of Roses to make thing work.

I do met a few females either married or single that always say their hubby or b/f have no time to have sex with them or have no time to pay attention to their problems. That is why when they find someone that show some concern, it just click and it just a matter of time that they dun mind to explore further into relationship.

Just to share, both me and my wife do at times have a very dull sex life that we dun even have sex for months.

But at times, we do invite another friend of us to swing together when she has the mood to join me for the fun.

And till date, I do meet some other females to have my fun as she knew my sex drive is higher than her. But sometimes I do inform her whom I dated to go out but at times I had to lie to her to date other female inorder to release my urge.

Even tough we would love to have sex with her but at times thing do not turn what we love to do bro/sis.

[asdfghjkl]

very solid post from OP.. excellent contribution to this forum! thumbs up! ;)

[babyonboard]

Good job TS - you hit the nail on the head.

Now time to evaluate my relationships (GF, FB, ex, etc) with your model. :D

[SEXCRAZY]

Some woman don't cheat for money. They cheat for attention.

I have a few girlfriends who have cheated their BFs because they felt that their BFs are not giving them enough attention. Some of my married friends cheated on their husbands because their husbands are busy with their work/buddies and neglected the family.

I agree but hate that excuse..

When bf/husband work hard to try give a better life to gf/family.. They say we neglect them and it give them legit reason to cheat like our fault.

When bf/husband don't work hard/laze around (wu suo shi shi/mei chu xi) they look down on us can't provide them well enough so they cheat with men with better quality (financially)

It's forever difficult to satisfy them 100% ...

[stevekuint]

thanks, love you too!
think you have a very sexy personality. ;)

very solid post from OP.. excellent contribution to this forum! thumbs up! ;)

[DreamOfLust]

master yoda... think you can publish a book on this topic

[stevekuint]

hi Sis, (thought of PM you, but your inbox is full again, anyway post my msg here instead)

didn't expect a girl will like my post "why do we love and cheat". :cool: after all, i did put a price tag on almost every girl. so that's exactly why i find you very cool, at least own up some of my observations, esp that "men use money to get sex, and women use sex to get what they want (whatever that might be, most of the time it's money).

i always ask myself what a girl wants from me when she offers intimacy and sex. I usually have answers for most cases, but the girls on SBF are a group that i am very curious about. I don't know what you (or $$$$$$$$$$$$ or ColourBlindx2 and others) want out of all these and it kind of drives me crazy to find out. haha. ;)

from your points and power, are you a senior SBF members or founding members maybe? respectfully need your opinion. :)

Steven

very solid post from OP.. excellent contribution to this forum! thumbs up! ;)

[cheongsan]

i understand where your points come from, yes, there are girls who no matter what they do couldn't get an erection from guy (trust me, i have experienced that), and there are guys who are so desperate that they will fuck a donut. We can list down many exceptions, but most men and women behave in this way bounded by the 3 laws.

Most importantly you are missing my points here. I am not here to argue about the price tag thingy. here is my agenda: I think women can make the world a better place by seeing this basic instinct and human nature of the two genders (men cheat for sex, women cheat for money, or more broadly, men live for sex, women live for money).

why do i say so? research has shown that there are 3 types of love. The lust for sexual gratification, the romantic love (puppy love), and the attachment love (the type of love we have for our children and parents, sometimes for your spouse as well). What you may not know is the fact that when we have sex, our body release a large amount of Oxytocin - a chemical that is responsible for us to have the feeling of romantic love and attachment love. That's why some bros keep going back to the same girl for sex can be easily got KCed.

but women don't understand that since they are not naturally built for deliberately spreading their gene pool through sex. So more often than less, they are using their natural understanding of men's sexual desire to get what they want. People always say that women are seductive, not because they want sex all the time like men do, but they want to use sex to get what they want. (and sometimes what they want is sex, like 1%, this can answer some of your questions i guess.)

but what i am concerned about is our family bonds, wives seems to use sex or lack of it as a punishment or as a means to control husband, which will drive the men to go out and get his Oxytocin.

Trust me, a world without love is a terrible place to live in. And all kinds of love is based on the effect of Oxytocin. So to all the wives, just want you to understand this point. If you think your hubbie is so different, only have sex with you once or twice a month, and he is still such a nice guy at home, that means he is getting a lot of his Oxytocin and sex from somewhere else to keep him sane.

lastly, I want to share a story with you when i decided to make this post.
One day, i was at a geylang 150 house, while a PRC is working on BJ for me, we were chitchatting, i said "your boyfriend must be very happy that you have such skills, he'll definitely enjoy it! what a way to keep a man's heart."
guess what she replied? she said, 'don't be crazy, i will never do any of these to my boyfriend. He is my boyfriend, and he needs to love me and give me all the things i want unconditionally, that's why he is my boyfriend right?"
I think to myself, "what the fuck? i think this girl really don't understand men. What seems to be funny is the fact that this girl fucks like 10 men a day, for almost one and half years, she did all the AR/FJ/BBBJ/CIM/COB and she reached this conclusion? What the fuck is wrong with this world?"

therefore, this incident made me want to write this thread, hopefully more girls or working ladies read this. They got the fucking wrong idea. that's my message to them "Fuck your men well and good, and a lot of your problems will go away, simply because this is how we were built as humans in the first place. We are meant to make love, not war. And you can't make love through all the nagging, disciplining, monitoring, checking handphones or logon to catchmycheatingspouse.com. Just fuck it." :cool:

You have an interesting view about certain group of women.

There are many exceptions though but generally, I concur with you.

Of course if the guy is attractive in the eyes of the woman, your law will probably fail at times because some of these women simply just want to get fucked from that attractive guy.

Another possible case is when the woman does not wet the appetite of most men because she is too ugly or too fat or for whatever reasons.

But you are right: we should not be delving into exceptions.

[Apocalypse]

To sustain my argument, i am hereby going to release some national statistics in Singapore through my years of research, as well as some facts and figures. :)

GIRLS and their price tag (in SGD):

WL at Geylang: Price tag: $30 to $150 per fuck
FL (MILF & Masseurs): Price tag: $80 to $200 per fuck
FL (PRC): Price tag: $80 to $120 per fuck
FL (Thai & SEA): Price tag: $60 to $100 per fuck
FL (Koreans & Jap): Price tag: $250 to $500 per fuck
FL (Singaporean): Price tag: $500 to $2,000 per fuck
FL (Caucasians): Price tag: $500 to $2,000 per fuck
Porn Stars: Price tag: $3,000 to $20,000 per fuck
Girl next door (ugly): Price tag: two movie tickets + good restaurant dinner + sweet talk (a couple of fucks)
Girl next door (good-looking):Price tag: a LV/Gucci/Chanel bag + fancy dinner date (3 to 5 fucks)
Girl with good education: Price tag: a diamond ring + a house + a car (this package will get you about 50 fucks or so)
Girl who are rich: Price tag: a luxurious date + a sports car/jet/yacht + expensive jewellery (for 20 fucks perhaps)
Girl with good career: Price tag: a million-dollar business deal, like the one offered by our (CNB) chief and SCDF chief
Models: Price tag: a good career advancement or the same conditions in "Girls with good education"
Movie Stars: Price tag: an opportunity to become super star, like Zhang Ziyi and Gong Li, all sleeping with Director
Successful Powerful Women: This group is different. (they are in fact turning into guys, but they just didn't realize it yet.)


GUYS and their sex budgets:

Normal Singaporean Guys: they cheat by paying real money for fuck. Statistics shown that 1 in 3 Singaporean guys cheats (the other 1/3 are children, 1/3 are either too old or too sick to cheat, that means almost all guys cheat), but not everyone's cheating budgets are the same.
Movie Stars : they cheat by simply shooting different movies with different girls and when their wives found out, they just replace their wives with the new actress (Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, George Clooney etc)
Politician: they cheat in the office and in fancy hotels, with private parties and very small, tight circle (Bill Clinton, IMF Chief, etc. I'm sure George Bush is definitely one of them, i can tell from his face. :)
Business executives: they cheat when they travel, that's why they are ALWAYS travelling
Movie/Music producers: they cheat by giving empty promises to girls that they can become stars
Authors and Writers: they cheat by lying to girls that they are writing a book. (you think Singapore's Author Gerrie Lim (in his book Invisible Trade) just interviewed those girls? Hell no, he fucked them first, then did his interview.
Emperor (the ultimate fucker): why so many people want to be emperors? because the emperor can fuck one thousands girls legally.


How I wish they were all true. I will vote you PM or a union chief if they were all true.

[asdfghjkl]

I usually have answers for most cases, but the girls on SBF are a group that i am very curious about.

i am not shy about sex since young.. my first experience was with my teacher in JC.. he taught me about the ways of enjoying sex.. now i am addicted to it.. :o

[stevekuint]

Hi sis,

thanks for the reply, i guess every one of us has two sides, the angel and the evil. And once it's uncovered, it cannot be taken back. We only share with certain people part of who we really are. Only a lucky few can have 100% of themselves known to their partners. I used to feel shameful of who I am for my dark side, but again if my evil is gone, my angel will fleet too. It's a complete package. so i start to come in peace with myself.

I am 31, married with a beautiful wife. but i guess she can never really satisfy me on the sex department, therefore I come to SBF to satisfy the dark side of where i belong. :cool:

but for guys i think it's easier. money will solve the problem. and there are plenty of beautiful models and girls who are willing to be your companion. But i guess it'll be different for you right? I doubt girls like you with high sex drive can simply pay handsome guys to have sex with you. haha. No offense, but I think guys just don't function like that, especially handsome guys who have a lot of options. ;)

anyway, i'm going to post several more threads, so hope you can support. btw when are you clearing your inbox? want to PM you some photos. ;)



i am not shy about sex since young.. my first experience was with my teacher in JC.. he taught me about the ways of enjoying sex.. now i am addicted to it.. :o