View Full Version : Batam Becoming A Very Expensive Place To Cheong
Ratcool69
19-04-2005, 12:04 PM
Dear Bros, be cautioned ...Batam is becoming from bad to worse.. my friend had just returned from his trip from Batam..yup one night in a hotel and two nights in Barelang Polta Base.. that's right he spent two nights in jail..
He had gone over to Batam to have his wife's passport to be stamped and come back in to Singapore (his wife is an Indonesian).
His room door was knocked on at 6am in the morning and was entered by 4 polisi and wanted to check his room and they said that he had drugs with him..they checked the room profusely..after about 15 mins of checking (he doesn't play or use all these drugs)..all of a sudden one of the polisi suddenly came out with 1/2 a pill of E..he got a shock and asked where did the polisi find this and the polisi said just underneath the bed on the floor...
they immeadiately handcuffed him and demanded SGD$12,000.00 yup that's right SINGAPORE DOLLAR TWELVE THOUSAND...he explained to them that he does not use drugs and do not know where that 1/2 pill came from..he asked them to do a urine test on him and they said no need..
how...they asked him..after much talk they said ok ok SGD$8000...they will settle but he have to sit inside until the money is handed over...BASTARDS!!!!
he called his friends in Singapore to have the money brought over..they then brought over the money and handed it over..they then released him...
This is becoming too much..this is because of the bloody polisi got no money to take from the judi as everything is closed and all of a sudden they have no rich lifestyles ...so they aim people...somehow..I also believe that he was marked from the start..
this is bad...very bad..go to batam ...calculate budget...ok ok $200.00 can cheong...then pay until your ass hole burns..
I think I will take a break from batam for the time being..it's getting to hot in there..don't want to get burnt..and one burnt will be very painfull.. :mad: :mad:
Cheri_Popper
19-04-2005, 12:13 PM
Your friend might consider taking a recourse against them by making an official complain to their embassy here.
Recently, there were a few cases of the immigration officers there abusing their power. One S'porean even wrote to the Strait Times forum about his encounter there.
In the end the immigration officers were suspended.
Your friend might not get back the cash but at least, those rogue police officers will be suspended for investigation.
Just my 2 cents view.
Bang Ratcool ... can PM me ? .. which hotel your fren stayed at?
I dun want to stay at that hotel leh .... thanks :(
acer3939
19-04-2005, 12:25 PM
I dun want to stay at that hotel leh .... thanks
You want to rent a room from my in-laws keke sure bery safe :D
Ratcool69
19-04-2005, 12:28 PM
I am sure when they mark you cannot run..these idiots are a bunch of clowns ..do anything for money..they would even sell their own mother if they had to...
I have rarely been to Batam but the rest of Indonesia is my rice bowl and playground for many years now.
By Indonesian law, you can only be held up to 24hrs after which you are entitled to a phone call. In the interim, as much as they want to force a statement out of you (I am sure your friend has signed some kind of confession), you have EVERY right to refuse to say, write or sign anything without the advise of your lawyer.
Its a poker game........ depends on how long you will last and if you succumb to their mind games. And dont be afraid to demand for your phone call.
Remember......THEY HAVE 24HRS TO FORMALLY CHARGE YOU ........ so they are pressed for time too. After 24hrs, bang table, throw a tantrum, threaten to report them etc etc etc if they do not allow you a phone call OR RELEASE YOU...... they can delay this by a few more days to 'extend' their investigations but REMEMBER YOU ARE ALLOWED 1 PHONE CALL AFTER HOLDING YOU FOR 24HRS
One way to avoid the mind games and pshyco tricks is to just ask for a cell and when in the cell, go to sleep! This is super cool and will frustrate them .....giving them impression that you have been through all this shit before.....remember, mind games, now YOU play your mind game with them BY ASKING FOR A CELL and BY GOING TO SLEEP. Almost 100% guarantee u will be out of there in 6-12 hrs if you can give them a little $$$ for all that wayang.
Same thing happened to me 2 times alrealdy ....... once in Makassar, South Sulawesi 4 years ago and another time in Palu, Central Sulawesi.
Both times, I told them not to waste my time, that I know the law in Indonesia and just offered them 5mil rupiah (Makassar) and 3mil rupiah (Palu) to save everyone the trouble and time........ I was out of the station after about 5-6 hrs each time. I had all those involved in both incidents sacked once I got back to Jakarta and complained/explained to my big bosses
Remember THEY CANNOT TOUCH YOU....... but they sure as hell will try to scare and frighten u until u shit in your pants........ just stay cool.
Nothing will happen to you.
Bro could it be your fren had offended someone there and he might have set your fren up. My grandmother was robbed there when she went over with family for tour and shopping. The polisi didn't do a thing. thanks for your info, will be careful when I go there next time, always go there becos of a guide who brougt us around.
Ratcool69
19-04-2005, 12:35 PM
well for your info this is my third friend whom was caught in this set up..first one paid $20,000..second one paid $3000 as he knew people..third one is this one...I tell you becoming from bad to worse..
even myself with the people I know..don't want to take risk..when you are in the situation it is very difficult...
and for those of you who go to Indonesia on business PLEASE dont assume Singapore is part of ASEAN so no need to apply for a visa.
IF YOU ARE DOING BUSINESS IN INDONESIA OR EVEN TALKING ABOUT BUSINESS, YOU NEED TO APPLY FOR A BUSINESS VISA. I think the first time applicant will be given a 3-6 month visa while subsequent renewals is usually for a 1 year period.
Yes you can try to escape applying for business visa but when caught with company/product brouchures, proposals, laptop full of business info etc etc etc....... you WILL be in trouble because its an immigration offence.
This kind of offence will bring only a small penalty but is troublesome in the face of evidence. However, they MUST hand you over to immigration authorities and have no right to hold you.........
REMEMBER....... its all mind games everyone is playing..... threaten that your career/married life is finished, bluffing that it normally takes 3 months before they produce you in court etc etc etc blah blah blah....... while it is TRUE that the case will take months to get to court, you just cook in the cell for a couple of days max before your lawyer or relative will come to BAIL U OUT.
The FIRST CALL you should make is to the Singapore Embassy in Jakarta and look for the attache in-charge of immigration affairs..... the phone number is 62-811- 863-348 and tell them your problem, (PLEASE dont forget to tell them where you are, hor). This immediately puts you on the Singapore embassy radar and initiates a case file.
Its important to tell Embassy exactly where you are, hor. Dont waste your time at the station looking down at the floor. Indonesian customs/army/police/immigration authorities always like to 'dress up' their offices and it will be very easy for you to glance around and see all this info plastered all over the place. If it helps, please also look out the car/van window when they transport you back to station for road name or landmarks (Eg. 'I dunno where this place is in XXXXXX town but its very near a Mc Donalds/mall called XXXXX etc etc ). It makes it easier for them to find out your exact location because the station where you are held might take a fucking long time to call the embassy (if they are willing to contact the embassy at all)......in many large towns there are normally a FEW police stations and also Polisi Intel (Police Intelligence) stations.... so dont just waste time and get moody, keep your eyes peeled for clues on your whereabouts..... makes everybody job easier.
Anybody want to talk to you or ask you questions, ALWAYS demand to see their ID and take down names and ID numbers. This is required by Indonesian Law and they cannot deny you this information.
NO the Singapore Embassy will NOT bail you out (they dont know if you are really innocent or guilty, thats fair) but at least they can inform your family or relatives where you are and also that means you are no longer 'lost' or 'missing'. Someone from the embassy will visit you to check that you are in OK physical condition and none of your human rights are abused. The embassy rep will also take note of your requests (like 'inform my gf/boss/landlord etc etc' ) and advise you of your rights.
Even if they did not abuse you, PLEASE LIE and complain that you have been pushed around and physically abused etc etc.....the embassy will make it very clear in no uncertain terms to the polisi that you are not to be touched, that your cell must meet minimum hygine standards, that you must be properly fed and hydrated.
They will ask the polisi to check your passport to verify that you are indeed a Singaporean and at same time remind them of your rights.
It is RARE that you will get to this stage but who knows..... anyway its RARE because they want money and want it QUICK......
NOW please hor.....dont be a stingy bastard....... if you want to get out quick.....just empty your pockets of every single cent u have and tell them that THAT's IT.......take it all and settle up because you have NOBODY, NO FRIENDS, NO RELATIVES, NO PARENTS etc etc that will come help save you with S$20,000 because you work as a factory supervisor drawing low pay .......and THATS WHY YOU GO BATAM/BINTAN FOR A CHEAP HOLIDAY !!! (Please for God sake dont say 'thats why I go Batam to look for prostitutes!!!!' ) (this is for mongers caught in nearby indonesian islands)
Oh one more thing.....if u have the balls......u can curse them in their face (especially AFTER the embassy official visit you) ....... they cant touch you or lay a finger on you.
Ratcool69
19-04-2005, 02:53 PM
Good info Eddy...I have told a couple of them off at the immigration side when comeing in and also going out..but like I said from my first post..please be very carefull..even when opening your hotel room doors..check carefully before you opening or look thru' the peep hole...
May I take this opportunity to thank bro eddy and bro ratcool for the pertinent info and guide given ... thanks.
Batam / Indo cheongsters & travellers alike gotta be more cautious ya.
Cheers
You want to rent a room from my in-laws keke sure bery safe
can rent for 2 hours? :) then give free 1 hour .. hehe
acer3939
19-04-2005, 04:01 PM
can rent for 2 hours? :) then give free 1 hour .. hehe
Can can the kopitiam rooftop got 1 zinc hse empty one but afternoon bery hot keke :D
Can can the kopitiam rooftop got 1 zinc hse empty one but afternoon bery hot keke :D
knn, you 1 2 rent me an 'oven' ... to roast the chicken izit? :mad:
biker_man
19-04-2005, 04:52 PM
Eddy, very good and useful info.
thank you very much
Ratcool69
19-04-2005, 05:01 PM
wah lau eh you people....can rent room ...still can say safe meh..polisi want to raid whether on roof top or under ground sure kena burnt one..polisi want to chiak lui..sure can smell the Singapore dollar... :cool:
wah lau eh you people....can rent room ...still can say safe meh..polisi want to raid whether on roof top or under ground sure kena burnt one..polisi want to chiak lui..sure can smell the Singapore dollar... :cool:
Bro Ratcool, sorry ya .. me and acer are kinddin around .. treat it as a commercial break from the stressed out 'you kena marked by polisi in Batam .. elo pasti sudah' situation :D haha
Ratcool69
19-04-2005, 06:09 PM
ha ha ha..yeah yeah..I know you all are just joking..
The FIRST CALL you should make is to the Singapore Embassy in Jakarta and look for the attache in-charge of immigration affairs..... the phone number is 62-811- 863-348
This number is a 24hr number 7 days a week and its a handphone number that the duty officer (a Singaporean) must carry with him at ALL TIMES...... please save it to your handphone, hor.
When he visit you, he can help you pack up your stuff at your hotel and keep somewhere safe for u for the time being.
And at the station, PLEASE get a reciept listing all the things u surrender to them but try to shove some rupiah up your ass or somewhere on your body if you need to buy cigarettes .......... I guess thats one good thing about indonesian jails, they allow you to smoke and if in a good mood, the polisi will run u little errands like buy cigarettes or chewing gum.....after all, u are their potential Santa Claus
The cells and toilet are normally together behind bars and normally u will find yourself with other people in the cell (I ever experience b4.... 9 other local people plus me...10.....in a cell 4m by 6m.....including toilet shithole) A clean cell is VERY important.... because u MUST take off your shoes and socks before going in....so imagine..... going barefoot to the wet shit/piss filled toilet to do your business..... try to do your pee/shit business in officer's toilet before they put u in!
I joke u not bros.....I been in there....... ha ha!
Ratcool69
19-04-2005, 07:00 PM
Well done Bro very usefull info...thankyou
hendri
19-04-2005, 07:46 PM
Thank you for a very useful info on on Batam.
It would be very helpful if you will let us know the name of
the hotel you were staying. We should avoid this hotel if possible
when we are there.
Chucky1
20-04-2005, 02:44 AM
Which hotel did this happen in?
Freestyler69
20-04-2005, 11:02 AM
well for your info this is my third friend whom was caught in this set up..first one paid $20,000..second one paid $3000 as he knew people..third one is this one...I tell you becoming from bad to worse..
even myself with the people I know..don't want to take risk..when you are in the situation it is very difficult...
i think next time, call your friend to get a lawyer, contact the SG consulate or local MP.. make sure these bastards are not getting scott free.. well nothing to hide since he's going there with wife..if u go cheong then please contact lawyer only. get the police names and tell them if you pay 20k to get out, you rather pay 20k to have all their dick cut.
swing123
20-04-2005, 11:17 AM
i think next time, call your friend to get a lawyer, contact the SG consulate or local MP.. make sure these bastards are not getting scott free.. well nothing to hide since he's going there with wife..if u go cheong then please contact lawyer only. get the police names and tell them if you pay 20k to get out, you rather pay 20k to have all their dick cut.
well said, if so easy to let those bastards off the hook and lay their hand so easily to the singapore currency, it will tempt them to go for more and look out for next victims......in their mind - singaporean, kiasu and kiasi - so easy prey and easy money......S$20k, divided by 4-5 officers, that's proably more than what they can take home for a year........this time only 1/2 ectasy pill....next time, get more greedy, stuff 50g of cocaine or marijuana into our luggage or shirt....demand S$100k....
ok lah, one more covered card for you guys ok?
when negotiating, do it as quick as possible.....why? because the longer u are held there, the more people in the station will know about it (it can and will escalate from assist inspector >>>> inspector>>>>senior inspector>>>station Komandant and all the other Kay Pohs in the middle ....... the more people involved on their end, the more needs to pay out...... the junior/assistant inspector does not want that because he will have to slice his pie in so many extra pieces.....less $$$ for him in the end
So use this to your advantage and bargain hard and quick ...because if it drag on too long (more than 6hrs for example) then even if the money is good but the fucker is now forced to think if he should accept or not accept AFTER dividing by all the extra people/kaypohs.
They are very stupid and simple minded people so they are used only to simple maths...... like $xxxx/2 or $xxxx/3 ....they get confused and scared when the formulae becomes $xxxx/(35% for chief+ 20% for imm. supervisor+15% for 2 others who accidentally stumbled into the situation+balance of 30% for him and his 2 buddies who came up with this brilliant idea in the first place)
OK thats it from me on this topic, I come here to cheong and not talk police and thief!
no need to up my rep points.....just trying to help and share so that we dont get conned next time.....but if you do up my points, I thank you in advance! ha ha!
no need to up my rep points.....just trying to help and share so that we dont get conned next time.....but if you do up my points, I thank you in advance! ha ha!
you lidat say .. I also duno need or no need to upzz you ... hehehe :D
acer3939
20-04-2005, 11:53 AM
I also duno need or no need to upzz you ... hehehe :D
You say leh? say liao like no say lidat keke ;)
You say leh? say liao like no say lidat keke
you lidat say bro eddy good meh? :mad:
He provide us very good and important info you know..?
Oh ya, if I kena tangkap in Batam, you can give me any help from 'your side' ? :o
acer3939
20-04-2005, 12:03 PM
you lidat say bro eddy good meh?
He provide us very good and important info you know..?
Oh ya, if I kena tangkap in Batam, you can give me any help from 'your side' ?
I where got say bad things bout bro eddy? you put knife in my hand ah :mad:
If you kena then i ask my mother-inlaw to go bail you out loh keke :p
If you kena then i ask my mother-inlaw to go bail you out loh keke :p
But how I know you, she and the mata got par-kart 1 or not? .. sekali mata minta S$1K .. she tell me I must baya S$2K then you and she arm-kang my S$1 .. how? :o
I think I better seek help from robertking1 .. he more honest.
swing123
20-04-2005, 12:18 PM
Oh ya, if I kena tangkap in Batam, you can give me any help from 'your side' ?
if you kena tangkap, you can give me a call...i will try my best to help....
i will bring along ST or NP reporter :D
acer3939
20-04-2005, 12:23 PM
But how I know you, she and the mata got par-kart 1 or not? .. sekali mata minta S$1K
You dont see she auntie2 hoh she 'knows' the who and who, they all lim kopi at her kopitiam keke :p
if you kena tangkap, you can give me a call...i will try my best to help....
i will bring along ST or NP reporter
Bang, jahat lah elo ...
serve you right that you kena 'big rock' :D
swing123
20-04-2005, 01:21 PM
Bang, jahat lah elo ...
serve you right that you kena 'big rock'
knn, me 'hor sim' offer to help u out if u in despair but you cum and chak me pula??
if you kena minta rasuah then i can sell the first hand story to ST and NP, then use the money to bail you lor.....
or else, i will tell u....ok ok, wait in jail, i take $100 go leisure world to gamble and see if i can make $20k or not, then i come bail you....ha ha :D
You dont see she auntie2 hoh she 'knows' the who and who, they all lim kopi at her kopitiam keke
but if they got chance to jiak lui [eg like bang ratcool's fren case], by then they sure pretend duno who is auntie2 liao loh .. :rolleyes:
They: "wah piangz! got S$20k to earn/share leh ... lai lo lai lo!
Huh? ... auntie2 who? ask her to stand aside"
:D
newyorker88
20-04-2005, 02:17 PM
Dear All brothers,
Just a reminder that if you stay in batam for more than 24 hours, you have to report to the police station, that is if you are not staying in a hotel.
As for your friend who kana at the hotel, I am quite sure he is being set up.
As I know about the police here, they want $ that is all. Still here is a great place to cheong. Just be more careful. As for the hotel room being searched, what right the police got? Unless they have a tip off, if not how they know that room is OCCUPIED by a SINGAPOREAN at that time? They can plant the drugs as well.
As for those doing business, be more careful also. Rivals, or even local can set you up, by calling the police, or set you up.
This place now bo zhen hu also.
be more on the alert as well.
Here is a tip for those who wants to cheong here.
1. Try to go in a group. Let others know where you going.
2. Do not get the drugs yourself, and do not keep any with you. ( Although I am not in support of drugs)
3. Go to bigger and more establised KTVs or Disco. usually they are safer and pay protection $$
4. Do not open the doors at nite even they say police. If they knock the door down, pretend you are asleep. By that time, you would have enough time to look for help via Hand phone.
5. As picking up gals, dont show your valuables, make sure you keep them in a safe place.
6. The police here is fond of looking for outsiders to nab them, because they have more $$$.
Hope these helps.
Good DAy
As for your friend who kana at the hotel, I am quite sure he is being set up.
Must be 1 lor .. everyday so many sinkarpolians go batam .. why only he kena?
Here is a tip for those who wants to cheong here.
1. Try to go in a group. Let others know where you going.
2. Do not get the drugs yourself, and do not keep any with you. ( Although I am not in support of drugs)
3. Go to bigger and more establised KTVs or Disco. usually they are safer and pay protection $$
4. Do not open the doors at nite even they say police. If they knock the door down, pretend you are asleep. By that time, you would have enough time to look for help via Hand phone.
5. As picking up gals, dont show your valuables, make sure you keep them in a safe place.
6. The police here is fond of looking for outsiders to nab them, because they have more $$$.
Thanks for the tips ... I saw FLsss at disco also avoid the mata :(
swing123
20-04-2005, 02:36 PM
Thanks for the tips ... I saw FLsss at disco also avoid the mata
abang, you so FLssss expert....ever kena Benchong before?? :D
abang, you so FLssss expert....ever kena Benchong before?? :D
ppl talk about extortion .. you down here talk about ladyboyz ...
tanya di tampat lain lah .. :rolleyes:
Castrol
20-04-2005, 02:43 PM
Dear All brothers,
As I know about the police here, they want $ that is all. Still here is a great place to cheong. Just be more careful. As for the hotel room being searched, what right the police got? Unless they have a tip off, if not how they know that room is OCCUPIED by a SINGAPOREAN at that time? They can plant the drugs as well.
i also think this is completely planned. can it be the hotel staff who provided the tip to the cowboys?
and they know how to ask for sgd 12k... 20k...?
if a broke fella like me ganna raided like this, i dont know whether to cry or laugh in front of them... that kind of money i think they give me char mm dor..... :D
and they know how to ask for sgd 12k... 20k...?
if a broke fella like me ganna raided like this, i dont know whether to cry or laugh in front of them... that kind of money i think they give me char mm dor.....
ya lor .. duno izit got ppl lead out info to the mata?
$12K leh .. they think we print money machine arh? :(
Ya....pak Dnat kan orang kaya!!! :D
dun anyhow say hor .. if I rich, I still post in SB now? Lidat I not need to kerja, just take ferry go Batam liao loh :o
Btw....all the nice cewek in GL10.
Think better than those in Batam now.
maciam durian...bagus semua d sillypore.
wow lau .. you started to sell durians meh?
(I get your real meaning liao lah ... not confirm) :D
Used to sell!!
I meant in msia hard to find yang bagus...semua d hantar sillypore.
Cewek indo quality improve in GL now. batam cewek standard drop. :D
Batam cewek standard .. all the while so-so only .. even if import to Sg the standard also so-so .. not much difference leh. :(
Ratcool69
20-04-2005, 04:41 PM
Alamak...all of a sudden come out you two again one sell durian ...the other millionare..
I really hope that the info provided here by the Bros (Thankyou Very Much) becomes a usefull tool to those whom cheong Batam...
Like I said my friend could have been marked from the start...
Don't want to name the hotel as it could not be the hotel that did this why spoil the name of the hotel..
It can get very scary when things like this happen..when you aregoing through it ..it is very traumatic & your mind goes hay wire..
This time they ask for $12k, then take $8k,, what happens when we give in to this bastards...
easyeasy
20-04-2005, 05:41 PM
ban batam, made them eat grass all these people must be taught a lesson
Freestyler69
20-04-2005, 06:15 PM
Don't want to name the hotel as it could not be the hotel that did this why spoil the name of the hotel..
...
I dun agree that the hotel has nothing to do at all with this. A search warrant is needed before they can storm any hotel. Batam hotels are normally " unofficially guarded" by ( special forces, not to be name for obvious reasons), this is my understanding. There have rules and invisible border lines.
So if the polisi came knocking on your door, ok maybe it's nothing with hotel, they marked you. But to kick and bust down the door, that's ridiculous especially it's offensive to hotel owners whom have connections.
I smell conspiracy
l3atu
21-04-2005, 08:30 AM
Like I said my friend could have been marked from the start...
Don't want to name the hotel as it could not be the hotel that did this why spoil the name of the hotel..
It can get very scary when things like this happen..when you aregoing through it ..it is very traumatic & your mind goes hay wire..
How abt askin ur fren go to the newspaper ? Just 2 - 3 mths ago, the Indo gov already stated clearly the wan to clamp down on corruption, let the reporters blew it up and the Indo gov will have to get those involved to explain themselves. Must teach them a lesson or they'll think we S'poreans are gd to bully...:o
Castrol
21-04-2005, 09:14 AM
ya lor .. duno izit got ppl lead out info to the mata?
$12K leh .. they think we print money machine arh? :(
haha yeah... maybe they have 10 over people waiting to share the money... i heard the armskote man in the mata house got a chauffeur driving him during weekends..... :D
hendri
21-04-2005, 10:07 AM
I agree with Freestyler 69. The name of the hotel should be
revealed unless you are a shareholder of the hotel.
I used to stay in Formosa, Melia, Planet Holiday and Island view.
Did your friend stay in one of the hotels mentioned?
I still hope that you will name the hotel so that Batam cheongers will
cheong with a peace of mind.
Thank you.
Ratcool69
21-04-2005, 05:02 PM
I agree with Freestyler 69. The name of the hotel should be
revealed unless you are a shareholder of the hotel.
I used to stay in Formosa, Melia, Planet Holiday and Island view.
Did your friend stay in one of the hotels mentioned?
I still hope that you will name the hotel so that Batam cheongers will
cheong with a peace of mind.
Thank you.
Dear Bros as mentioned by Hendri..it is one of the hotels you mentioned but like I said what if the hotel had nothing to do with what happened..
hendri
21-04-2005, 06:21 PM
If that nasty incident happened in one of those top hotels in Batam,
Batam cheongers bros, pls pray or go to temple before you come to
Batam. It is a jungle, paradise insland no more.
mikey150
22-04-2005, 01:39 PM
How Is The Jackpot Or Bola Business Now?? Especially In Formosa Hotel??
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