increasing the chances of max stay of your foreign girlfriend in sg

[korb]

i hope this thread can be sticky post for many bros may benefit from it.
first of all this thread takes it focus at ppl having a foreign girlfriend(be it thai,china,indo,WL or non WL) who are coming to Singapore for a short holiday, some guideline of increasing your girlfriend getting a max stay(14days) from the immigrant custom officers at airport .and if your girlfriend is from ‘HI_SO’(high society,no problem with English and financially strong) then you can skip this.and also if your girlfriend come with their parents then I don’t think there will be any problems at the airport custom.

No 100% guarantee that after you tried all the guidelines/suggestions that your girlfriend will be granted a max stay here .so pls don’t flame me.

These guidelines are base on the discussion between my friend whose wife is a ICA officer and use to station at airport .also discussion with my Thailand girlfriend and some thai WL. Discussions are in a Q & A format. If you have any questions ,I try my best to answer.

Q1 : my girlfriend coming to sg for holiday for the ‘first time’,how long will she be allow to stay?

Ans: Normally, she will be granted to a 14 days social visit pass without any difficulties.Unless she use a fake passport,or had been illegally enter to sg and caught. Pls note, firstime in sg means never been step into sg before.

Q2 : What if my girlfriend came more than once?

Ans: From 2nd visit onwards to sg, the ICA officers will randomly ask questions at the immigrant counter base on the nationality of the girl. From there, the given of numbers of days to stay in sg will depend on a few factors (will discuss this in later part)whether the officers are satisfied with the answer the girl produced.

Q4 : What types of questions will the ICA officers ask?

Ans: The most asked questions are ; what are you here for? ;
Do you have a return ticket? ;
Where are you staying ? ;
How much you have?

Q4 : How should the girlfriend answer to all this questions?

Ans: answer short and sharp,politely and don’t show temper to the officers.He/she may delay the girl clearing the custom. Just tell the officer she on a holiday,make sure she had a return ticket,show the address or better still,verbally tell the officer. Money, very important .as to how much must she have in her wallet, preferably 1 thousand sin dollars.But the best is the girl have a ‘credit card’ to show,it will increase her chances. This is so because ‘vice syndicate’ had land moneys to WL to show them to the ICA officers in order to pass that phrase.so ICA already know this tricks.
However slow the girl may answer the officer’s questions,it ok but please don’t remind silent. If she does not understand the officer ‘s question.ask he/she to repeat the questions.MY girlfriend was complaining to me saying what kind of English we singaporen speaking,she can’t understand our accent(she use to angmo slang).because my girlfriend had difficulties communicating with the officer(another officer came later to understand the situation)she was hold for 45 mins at the custom counter,in the end she was only allow 7 days social visit pass.
Q5 : What if my girlfriend produce a letter by me clarifying her stay in sg?will it help?

Ans: personally I tried that and well to be honest , the officers don’t bother or interest to read the letter.the officer only interested in whether the girl fulfill the questions they ask and document proof the girl produce.

Q6 : Head that some experience ‘WL’ told me that when queuing at the custom counter,try to queue to the counter which the office are male(excluding Chinese male).she told me female office are more strict.Is it true.

Ans : well so far no concrete proof show that it easy to pass the male officers but a lot of the WL tried that at the counter. But please avoid queue with all those ‘all girls group’ queuing.once the first girl got some problem the girls behind will more or less be difficult to pass. A thai WL told me, she was bring to had her finger/thumb print with a whole group of female from asia. My friend told me lately ICA start randomly pick up visitors to test out the ‘BIOMETIRC’ where by visit will record their thumb/finger and iris scan.IN this case the ICA chooses the asian girls who came in ‘all girls group’ or alone. My friend suggest that choose queues that come with families(best is with the presence of children and old folks and also they are from the same country with the girl).the officers will thought you are with them.

Q7: What if I come with my girlfriend?

Ans: well from the observation of the ICA officers , they may treat you as ‘syndicate’ trying to bring in the girl .but off course the girl stand a better chance than those came alone or in ‘all girls group’ Unless you had a male friend same nationality with your girlfriend accompany her. A true story told by my girlfriend, an angmo expat working in Singapore, legally married a thai wife and was coming back to Singapore, the angmo’s wife was refused enter to Singapore.even producing valid document,marriage cert the ICA officers still barred the wife from entering to Singapore.the angmo later was throw into the monkeyhouse for using violence against the officers.

Q8: What if my girlfriend was given only 7 days or less than,can I extend for her at ICA?

Ans : From my experience, unless your girlfriend had valid reason like marriage ,study in sg, working , seeking medical treatment ,etc with supporting documents,I say you can save your time. Reason like ‘holiday’ for the extensions of stay will not be entertained .by the way, two question will be ask.
What is the reason for extension of stay ? valid reasons
What are your relationship with the girl ? (don’t say girlfriend, say fiancées instead.and please make sure both of you wearing rings )

Q9: What if my girlfriend leave on the last day of her stay and goes north to Malaysia to stay 1 night to return to Singapore ,will she success in staying longer ?

Ans : basically the ICA already know this loophole , so they will judge the day the girl leave Singapore.if she leave on the last and return the next following day,she may be refused enter to Singapore. Thai ‘FL’ told me they will at least wait for another month before returing to Singapore.


Next discussion on some of the factors on what the ICA officers base on when deciding to give a 14 days social visit pass. Factors like the girl’s ‘appearance , language power , high seasons ,etc.
please stay tune.thankyou:)

[tickhel]

i hope this thread can be sticky post for many bros may benefit from it.
first of all this thread takes it focus at ppl having a foreign girlfriend(be it thai,china,indo,WL or non WL) who are coming to Singapore for a short holiday, some guideline of increasing your girlfriend getting a max stay(14days) from the immigrant custom officers at airport .and if your girlfriend is from ‘HI_SO’(high society,no problem with English and financially strong) then you can skip this.and also if your girlfriend come with their parents then I don’t think there will be any problems at the airport custom.

No 100% guarantee that after you tried all the guidelines/suggestions that your girlfriend will be granted a max stay here .so pls don’t flame me.

These guidelines are base on the discussion between my friend whose wife is a ICA officer and use to station at airport .also discussion with my Thailand girlfriend and some thai WL. Discussions are in a Q & A format. If you have any questions ,I try my best to answer.

Q1 : my girlfriend coming to sg for holiday for the ‘first time’,how long will she be allow to stay?

Ans: Normally, she will be granted to a 14 days social visit pass without any difficulties.Unless she use a fake passport,or had been illegally enter to sg and caught. Pls note, firstime in sg means never been step into sg before.

Q2 : What if my girlfriend came more than once?

Ans: From 2nd visit onwards to sg, the ICA officers will randomly ask questions at the immigrant counter base on the nationality of the girl. From there, the given of numbers of days to stay in sg will depend on a few factors (will discuss this in later part)whether the officers are satisfied with the answer the girl produced.

Q4 : What types of questions will the ICA officers ask?

Ans: The most asked questions are ; what are you here for? ;
Do you have a return ticket? ;
Where are you staying ? ;
How much you have?

Q4 : How should the girlfriend answer to all this questions?

Ans: answer short and sharp,politely and don’t show temper to the officers.He/she may delay the girl clearing the custom. Just tell the officer she on a holiday,make sure she had a return ticket,show the address or better still,verbally tell the officer. Money, very important .as to how much must she have in her wallet, preferably 1 thousand sin dollars.But the best is the girl have a ‘credit card’ to show,it will increase her chances. This is so because ‘vice syndicate’ had land moneys to WL to show them to the ICA officers in order to pass that phrase.so ICA already know this tricks.
However slow the girl may answer the officer’s questions,it ok but please don’t remind silent. If she does not understand the officer ‘s question.ask he/she to repeat the questions.MY girlfriend was complaining to me saying what kind of English we singaporen speaking,she can’t understand our accent(she use to angmo slang).because my girlfriend had difficulties communicating with the officer(another officer came later to understand the situation)she was hold for 45 mins at the custom counter,in the end she was only allow 7 days social visit pass.
Q5 : What if my girlfriend produce a letter by me clarifying her stay in sg?will it help?

Ans: personally I tried that and well to be honest , the officers don’t bother or interest to read the letter.the officer only interested in whether the girl fulfill the questions they ask and document proof the girl produce.

Q6 : Head that some experience ‘WL’ told me that when queuing at the custom counter,try to queue to the counter which the office are male(excluding Chinese male).she told me female office are more strict.Is it true.

Ans : well so far no concrete proof show that it easy to pass the male officers but a lot of the WL tried that at the counter. But please avoid queue with all those ‘all girls group’ queuing.once the first girl got some problem the girls behind will more or less be difficult to pass. A thai WL told me, she was bring to had her finger/thumb print with a whole group of female from asia. My friend told me lately ICA start randomly pick up visitors to test out the ‘BIOMETIRC’ where by visit will record their thumb/finger and iris scan.IN this case the ICA chooses the asian girls who came in ‘all girls group’ or alone. My friend suggest that choose queues that come with families(best is with the presence of children and old folks and also they are from the same country with the girl).the officers will thought you are with them.

Q7: What if I come with my girlfriend?

Ans: well from the observation of the ICA officers , they may treat you as ‘syndicate’ trying to bring in the girl .but off course the girl stand a better chance than those came alone or in ‘all girls group’ Unless you had a male friend same nationality with your girlfriend accompany her. A true story told by my girlfriend, an angmo expat working in Singapore, legally married a thai wife and was coming back to Singapore, the angmo’s wife was refused enter to Singapore.even producing valid document,marriage cert the ICA officers still barred the wife from entering to Singapore.the angmo later was throw into the monkeyhouse for using violence against the officers.

Q8: What if my girlfriend was given only 7 days or less than,can I extend for her at ICA?

Ans : From my experience, unless your girlfriend had valid reason like marriage ,study in sg, working , seeking medical treatment ,etc with supporting documents,I say you can save your time. Reason like ‘holiday’ for the extensions of stay will not be entertained .by the way, two question will be ask.
What is the reason for extension of stay ? valid reasons
What are your relationship with the girl ? (don’t say girlfriend, say fiancées instead.and please make sure both of you wearing rings )

Q9: What if my girlfriend leave on the last day of her stay and goes north to Malaysia to stay 1 night to return to Singapore ,will she success in staying longer ?

Ans : basically the ICA already know this loophole , so they will judge the day the girl leave Singapore.if she leave on the last and return the next following day,she may be refused enter to Singapore. Thai ‘FL’ told me they will at least wait for another month before returing to Singapore.


Next discussion on some of the factors on what the ICA officers base on when deciding to give a 14 days social visit pass. Factors like the girl’s ‘appearance , language power , high seasons ,etc.
please stay tune.thankyou:)




Thanks , bro , it will help a lot for those ppl having a foreign girlfriend.....

[korb]

thanks tickhel.

continue :

Appearance observation play an important role in the work of the immigrant officers.they will observe the way the girl dressing, the accessories they wear. Please avoid jeans ,miniskirt or sexy outfit which the ‘WL’ like to dress themselves in this way.i have seen 40 over thai girls being deport from airport all wearing those outfir as mention above.

Q : SO how do the girl wear or what to wear that won’t make the ICA officer think they are ‘WL’ ?

Ans: wear more like business outfit, office lady kind of clothes. Coat with skirt or suit long pant . accessories also can help to add point ,like ring ,earring. To make them look more hi-class.

Language power also another observation the immigrant officer uses.they will ask questions and expect the girl to answer all of them , if the girl remain silent or cannot speak English , then she will delay longer in clearing the custom. No matter what ,please have her answer all the question been ask . if she can’t understand the singlish ask the officer to repeat . the questions are not really that diffcult to answer at all.(refer to Q4 )

High season, refer to the period whereby a lot of girls coming to Singapore to work as ‘FL’ and were caught
Overstaying of girls and complains from resident regarding foreign girls working illegally.once you read in the newspaper regarding ICA doing islandwide raid on illegal immigrants or caught human trafficking or threaten by terrorist , etc . the following weeks or month will consider a high season whereby , custom will be tighten , officers will be more on alert .

[Rof|maoxz]

These guidelines are base on the discussion between my friend whose wife is a ICA officer and use to station at airport .also discussion with my Thailand girlfriend and some thai WL. Discussions are in a Q & A format. If you have any questions ,I try my best to answer.

Next discussion on some of the factors on what the ICA officers base on when deciding to give a 14 days social visit pass. Factors like the girl’s ‘appearance , language power , high seasons ,etc.
please stay tune.thankyou :)

Nice and rich info, pal. But you pen this sentence in bold too openly liao. ICA staff not suppose to discuss this openly, even their immigration laws & regulations are also lip-tight. Just my POV. :)

[Rof|maoxz]

Next discussion on some of the factors on what the ICA officers base on when deciding to give a 14 days social visit pass. Factors like the girl’s ‘appearance , language power , high seasons ,etc. please stay tune. thankyou :)

For the time being, knowing that Dec - Early Feb 06 is the festive season, ICA may speed up and double up their processing time in this application. For first timer, should not be a problem. As your ger is from thais, she is not categorized under Level I or II countries whose nationals require entry visas to visit Singapore. So basically if she's not holding any fake passport, no criminal/immigration records in her first visit, should not be a problem to re-enter. But your above factors still applies, like several common Qs being asked.

Girlfriends of passport holders under Myanmar, People’s Republic of China (PRC), Holders of Hong Kong Document of Identity & Macao Special Administrative Region (MSAR) etc. Please see here for more details. (http://app.ica.gov.sg/serv_visitor/entry_visa/visa_level1.asp)

[korb]

thanks Rof|maoxz . point noted.

ICA rules and regulations keep changing all the time.things that work now may not work in future. just like some time ago some one post all the T.P hotspot location to warn motorist against speeding.
actually informations here are not so secret afterall. because i did not provide when is their 'highseason' period or what adjustment had the ICA made to lady visitor. neither will my friend tell me all these.
thankyou for reading. if any update from my friend will update here.

btew regarding baby bonus can also ask here. but what i know is that foriegn wife are not entitle to the babybonus.:)



[ QUOTE]Nice and rich info, pal. But you pen this sentence in bold too openly liao. ICA staff not suppose to discuss this openly, even their immigration laws & regulations are also lip-tight[/QUOTE]

[Rof|maoxz]

thanks tickhel.

Q : So how do the girl wear or what to wear that won’t make the ICA officer think they are ‘WL’ ?

Ans: wear more like business outfit, office lady kind of clothes. Coat with skirt or suit long pant . accessories also can help to add point ,like ring ,earring. To make them look more hi-class.

Language power also another observation the immigrant officer uses.they will ask questions and expect the girl to answer all of them , if the girl remain silent or cannot speak English , then she will delay longer in clearing the custom. No matter what ,please have her answer all the question been ask . if she can’t understand the singlish ask the officer to repeat . the questions are not really that diffcult to answer at all.(refer to Q4 )

High season, refer to the period whereby a lot of girls coming to Singapore to work as ‘FL’ and were caught Overstaying of girls and complains from resident regarding foreign girls working illegally.once you read in the newspaper regarding ICA doing islandwide raid on illegal immigrants or caught human trafficking or threaten by terrorist , etc . the following weeks or month will consider a high season whereby , custom will be tighten , officers will be more on alert .

Bro, I would like to comment pertaining to your Q. As a genuine tourist or whatsoever. Wear as casual as she can. Unless you are talking about business visa here. As long if the ger is single, ICA officers will be on their toes, and start asking general Qs.

On the other note, ICA welcome foreign visitors with open arms, and they dun restrict them from coming back, unless those hardcores one who keep flouting immigrations rules. If there are able to let in such a big volume of visitors in here, rest assure they won't be able to contain those offenders. :)

[korb]

thanks for the info.

ICA offices pay more attention on girls from china,vietnam,thailand ,indo. for obvios reason. they have already start using the biometric to record fingers print and iris scan from randomly picking up male and female visitor.this record is share worldwide.as it have not fully implement the biometric passport they just pick those that they think look like 'FL' to be them and use it as a trial test.so if your girlfriend really been choosen, no need to worry too much unless she did some thing here in the pass. the male will be choosen at woodland custom or taus end. why they choose only those people?because 2 reason : if really the girl is coming to work as 'FL' ,it will act as a warning to scare them, 2nd reason . they don't really dare to voice out or complain .if you try out against some caucasian, they may write to the newspaper forum.


one thing about the newspaper forum, some can be very powerful tools for you to question or complain if you feel your girlfriend have been unfairly treat at the airport. but don't make any blaming or insult on the officer,just ask what is their procedure? the PR department or head of depart will look into the matter.

For the time being, knowing that Dec - Early Feb 06 is the festive season, ICA may speed up and double up their processing time in this application. For first timer, should not be a problem. As your ger is from thais, she is not categorized under Level I or II countries whose nationals require entry visas to visit Singapore. So basically if she's not holding any fake passport, no criminal/immigration records in her first visit, should not be a problem to re-enter. But your above factors still applies, like several common Qs being asked.

Girlfriends of passport holders under Myanmar, People’s Republic of China (PRC), Holders of Hong Kong Document of Identity & Macao Special Administrative Region (MSAR) etc. Please see here for more details. (http://app.ica.gov.sg/serv_visitor/entry_visa/visa_level1.asp)

[Rof|maoxz]

thanks Rof|maoxz . point noted.

ICA rules and regulations keep changing all the time.things that work now may not work in future. just like some time ago some one post all the T.P hotspot location to warn motorist against speeding.
actually informations here are not so secret afterall. because i did not provide when is their 'highseason' period or what adjustment had the ICA made to lady visitor. neither will my friend tell me all these.
thankyou for reading. if any update from my friend will update here.

Btw regarding baby bonus can also ask here. but what i know is that foriegn wife are not entitle to the babybonus. :)

Talking about baby bonus, if your baby is delivered in any of the local hospital, you are entite the 1st baby bonus of $3000. Because you are the singapore citizen, dou you have a foreign wife. You can apply for the baby bonus when your child's birth certificate is issued at the hospital itself. Now it takes 21 days to process your claim.

Rules applies:

A child is eligible if he or she is:
a. born on or after 1 August 20041;
b. a Singapore Citizen or becomes a Singapore Citizen;
c. the first to the fourth child born alive to the mother
d. the mother is lawfully married to the child's father.

[korb]

Bro, I would like to comment pertaining to your Q. As a genuine tourist or whatsoever. Wear as casual as she can. Unless you are talking about business visa here. As long if the ger is single, ICA officers will be on their toes, and start asking general Qs.

On the other note, ICA welcome foreign visitors with open arms, and they dun restrict them from coming back, unless those hardcores one who keep flouting immigrations rules. If there are able to let in such a big volume of visitors in here, rest assure they won't be able to contain those offenders. :)


as a matter of fact you can wear short and slipper like some backpackers .also no problems but appearance do score point . plus you don't queue together with groups of girls coming from same countries.if the first girl got any problem the whole group including your friend who happen to just queue together will have their time delay.

most important 2 things are return ticket and money or credit card. the rest of is just to increase your chances.

[Rof|maoxz]

thanks for the info.

ICA offices pay more attention on girls from china,vietnam,thailand ,indo. for obvios reason. they have already start using the biometric to record fingers print and iris scan from randomly picking up male and female visitor.this record is share worldwide.as it have not fully implement the biometric passport they just pick those that they think look like 'FL' to be them and use it as a trial test.so if your girlfriend really been choosen, no need to worry too much unless she did some thing here in the pass. the male will be choosen at woodland custom or taus end. why they choose only those people?because 2 reason : if really the girl is coming to work as 'FL' ,it will act as a warning to scare them, 2nd reason . they don't really dare to voice out or complain .if you try out against some caucasian, they may write to the newspaper forum.


Erm... I actually quite surprised at the FL being used here. Your observation is valid, I do agree. But just that to be fair to those working as FLs, KTV Hostress, TN massagers, or other trades, they are still consider as a valid social visit pass holders till they get caught. And I'm sure ICAs don't look for FLs just like that. No offences.

[korb]

Talking about baby bonus, if your baby is delivered in any of the local hospital, you are entite the 1st baby bonus of $3000. Because you are the singapore citizen, dou you have a foreign wife. You can apply for the baby bonus when your child's birth certificate is issued at the hospital itself. Now it takes 21 days to process your claim.

Rules applies:

A child is eligible if he or she is:
a. born on or after 1 August 20041;
b. a Singapore Citizen or becomes a Singapore Citizen;
c. the first to the fourth child born alive to the mother
d. the mother is lawfully married to the child's father.


hmm strange, my friend married his russian wife here last year. this year they had their first born baby. and he was reject the babybonus .the ICA officer told him 'why you married foriegn girl' . in the end he spend $8000 plus on his child delivery. but i have not discuss this with my friend yet on the babybous policy.maybe nextime when i'm ready to be father.:)

[Rof|maoxz]

hmm strange, my friend married his russian wife here last year. this year they had their first born baby. and he was reject the babybonus .the ICA officer told him 'why you married foriegn girl' . in the end he spend $8000 plus on his child delivery. but i have not discuss this with my friend yet on the babybous policy.maybe nextime when i'm ready to be father. :)

If you are referring to the delivery fees. You can't deduct the entirely all from the singaporean husband's medisave account. There's a certain % of cash you need to fork up.

Btw, the ICA reject the claim base on what? ICA dun issue baby bonus, It's from MYCS.

[korb]

Erm... I actually quite surprised at the FL being used here. Your observation is valid, I do agree. But just that to be fair to those working as FLs, KTV Hostress, TN massagers, or other trades, they are still consider as a
valid social visit pass holders till they get caught. And I'm sure ICAs don't look for FLs just like that. No offences.

ICA just randomly pickup.not all girls they will pickup. FLs, KTV Hostress, TN massagers, or other trades, some have legal document like student pass,working permit,paidu mama and so on. still there are girls that are rejected entry at the airport on the spot.but that does not mean the nexttime she will be refuse entry,maybe nexttime she choose the officer will let her pass without much problem:)

all the observation are by the ICA officers not me. and also a male and female officer may act differently or exercise the regulations according to each individual.

[korb]

If you are referring to the delivery fees. You can't deduct the entirely all from the singaporean husband's medisave account. There's a certain % of cash you need to fork up.

Btw, the ICA reject the claim base on what? ICA dun issue baby bonus, It's from MCDS.


that i will find out later.thanks for enlighten me.:)

[naemlo]

Appearance observation play an important role in the work of the immigrant officers.they will observe the way the girl dressing, the accessories they wear. Please avoid jeans ,miniskirt or sexy outfit which the ‘WL’ like to dress themselves in this way.



What is wrong with wearing jeans??? :confused:


Ans: wear more like business outfit, office lady kind of clothes. Coat with skirt or suit long pant . accessories also can help to add point ,like ring ,earring. To make them look more hi-class.


For tourist, hmmm u dun expect them to wear these..... :)

[Rof|maoxz]

that i will find out later.thanks for enlighten me. :)

There's a new amendment on the usage on medisave. Maybe you can refer on it. :)

From MOH (http://www.moh.gov.sg/corp/hottopics/marriage/index.do)

Medisave Maternity Package

The Medisave Maternity Package has also been put in place to further help couples with delivery expenses as well as pre-delivery medical expenses (such as consultations, ultrasound). Under the Medisave Maternity Package, couples will be able to withdraw $450 more from Medisave than they can today, for the delivery and pre-delivery medical expenses of a woman's first four living children born on or after 1 August 2004. The Medisave Maternity Package will also be extended for the delivery and pre-delivery medical expenses of the woman's fifth and subsequent living child if the parents have a combined Medisave balance of at least $15,000* at the time of delivery.

* The minimum balance of $15,000 is necessary to prevent premature depletion of the parents' Medisave and to ensure that individual has sufficient Medisave for hospitalisation needs especially during old age.

[naemlo]

they don't really dare to voice out or complain .if you try out against some caucasian, they may write to the newspaper forum.


Newspaper forum is reviewed b4 posting in the newspaper.


one thing about the newspaper forum, some can be very powerful tools for you to question or complain if you feel your girlfriend have been unfairly treat at the airport.


No need to write to the forum, cos chances of posting is very low. Write straight to the PR dept, if still no reply write to higher authority. I once wrote to a head of some police PR dept, immediately a reply.

[Rof|maoxz]

Talking about baby bonus, if your baby is delivered in any of the local hospital, you are entite the 1st baby bonus of $3000. Because you are the singapore citizen, dou you have a foreign wife. You can apply for the baby bonus when your child's birth certificate is issued at the hospital itself. Now it takes 21 days to process your claim.

Rules applies:

A child is eligible if he or she is:
a. born on or after 1 August 20041;
b. a Singapore Citizen or becomes a Singapore Citizen;
c. the first to the fourth child born alive to the mother
d. the mother is lawfully married to the child's father.


hmm strange, my friend married his russian wife here last year. this year they had their first born baby. and he was reject the babybonus .the ICA officer told him 'why you married foriegn girl' . in the end he spend $8000 plus on his child delivery. but i have not discuss this with my friend yet on the babybous policy.maybe nextime when i'm ready to be father.:)

I answer this based on my friend whose indon wife was not a PR yet before delivery. My friend was entitled the $3K after he was advised by the hospital staff to write in to MYCS. A good news before he collected mail from his letterbox was that his wife has already granted the PR after he look for MP Ho Peng Kee. So I guess there's still some grey areas.

[naemlo]

ICA just randomly pickup.not all girls they will pickup. FLs, KTV Hostress, TN massagers, or other trades, some have legal document like student pass,working permit,paidu mama and so on.


No wonder now most the FL looks old or cannot make it. :D Cos those pretty SYT r rejected by custom officers.

[Rof|maoxz]

Newspaper forum is reviewed b4 posting in the newspaper.

No need to write to the forum, cos chances of posting is very low. Write straight to the PR dept, if still no reply write to higher authority. I once wrote to a head of some police PR dept, immediately a reply.

The experienced man finally have spoken. :p

[naemlo]

The experienced man finally have spoken. :p

Hmmmm I thought u taught me these tricks??? :D

[Rof|maoxz]

Hmmmm I thought u taught me these tricks??? :D

You are more experienced in TGs mah. Or WPP taught you wan? :p

[Rof|maoxz]

No wonder now most the FL looks old or cannot make it. :D Cos those pretty SYT r rejected by custom officers.

Old is gold. I love old, but must abit CanMI wan lah. :D

[SingViet]

The child need not be borned in the local hospital in Singapore. As long as when the child is borned, one of the parent is a Singaporean, he will be entitled to the whole $3000 for first child. My children were borned overseas but were also given the baby bonus and i got the baby bonus payout even before my wife became PR. :p

[korb]

I answer this based on my friend whose indon wife was not a PR yet before delivery. My friend was entitled the $3K after he was advised by the hospital staff to write in to MYCS. A good news before he collected mail from his letterbox was that his wife has already granted the PR after he look for MP Ho Peng Kee. So I guess there's still some grey areas.

ah huh, so that make your friend been granted. my friend not try the MP route and he did not write into MYCS. will take note this.thankyou very much:)

[korb]

Newspaper forum is reviewed b4 posting in the newspaper.




No need to write to the forum, cos chances of posting is very low. Write straight to the PR dept, if still no reply write to higher authority. I once wrote to a head of some police PR dept, immediately a reply.


can do that also , writing forum will be off course scan,if you write in a not offensive manner,you may see your post too. thankyou for sharing your exp.:)

[korb]

The child need not be borned in the local hospital in Singapore. As long as when the child is borned, one of the parent is a Singaporean, he will be entitled to the whole $3000 for first child. My children were borned overseas but were also given the baby bonus and i got the baby bonus payout even before my wife became PR. :p


ok noted, thankyou for your exp. :)

[Rof|maoxz]

The child need not be borned in the local hospital in Singapore. As long as when the child is borned, one of the parent is a Singaporean, he will be entitled to the whole $3000 for first child. My children were borned overseas but were also given the baby bonus and i got the baby bonus payout even before my wife became PR. :p

I almost forgot about you, SingViet, the seasoned one. Tks~ for the addition of information hor. How's your Viet's club? Still gg strong? I only got 3 member only. :(

[korb]

What is wrong with wearing jeans??? :confused:



For tourist, hmmm u dun expect them to wear these.....


actually nothing wrong for the girl wearing jeans, it the officer that they observe that way loh :D . just like some disco or resturent have dress code.but off course the ICA where dare to have dress code state to the visitors, they just use it as observation themselves

[korb]

I almost forgot about you, SingViet, the seasoned one. Tks~ for the addition of information hor. How's your Viet's club? Still gg strong? I only got 3 member only. :(


talkin about viet,my friend viet baby's birth cert still pending to convert to singapore citzenship.almost 1 year plus already.

[Rof|maoxz]

that i will find out later.thanks for enlighten me.:)

Pertaining to your friends' medisave issues, You can ask him to read this FAQs by MOH. (http://www.moh.gov.sg/corp/hottopics/marriage/index.do) on the withdrawal limits and the claim procedures for the maternity issues. :)

[Rof|maoxz]

talkin about viet,my friend viet baby's birth cert still pending to convert to singapore citzenship.almost 1 year plus already.

He's born in vietnam? Erm, maybe SingViet can help in this area. :)

[korb]

The child need not be borned in the local hospital in Singapore. As long as when the child is borned, one of the parent is a Singaporean, he will be entitled to the whole $3000 for first child. My children were borned overseas but were also given the baby bonus and i got the baby bonus payout even before my wife became PR. :p


since you have exp here. can i ask.how than to claim the bonus if your child are born oversea? do you need to convert the child's birth cert to singapore first before aloowing to make the claims. thanyou bro for sharing again:)

[korb]

He's born in vietnam? Erm, maybe SingViet can help in this area. :)

my friend everything (including meet up with MP all chu-ka-liow) his wife now a sin PR.but baby still depending.take so long time to just convert 1 birth cert meh ?:rolleyes: now the baby i year old already. my frienw said if the child get older it may be more diffcult.

[Rof|maoxz]

since you have exp here. can i ask.how than to claim the bonus if your child are born oversea? do you need to convert the child's birth cert to singapore first before aloowing to make the claims. than you bro for sharing again :)

The parents can register the child's birth at the country where the child is born. The parents may, at a later tie, apply for the child's Singapore Citizenship through the Singapore High Commission/Embassy at the country that the child was born or get a local sponsor to submit an application on their behalf to SIR.

my friend everything (including meet up with MP all chu-ka-liow) his wife now a sin PR.but baby still depending.take so long time to just convert 1 birth cert meh ?:rolleyes: now the baby i year old already. my frienw said if the child get older it may be more diffcult.

He born at where? Then what cert he's holding?

[korb]

The parents can register the child's birth at the country where the child is born. The parents may, at a later tie, apply for the child's Singapore Citizenship through the Singapore High Commission/Embassy at the country that the child was born or get a local sponsor to submit an application on their behalf to SIR.



He born at where? Then what cert he's holding?


the child born in vietnam, holding vietnam birth cert.

[naemlo]

You are more experienced in TGs mah. Or WPP taught you wan? :p


Not uncle DNAT??? :D

[dc7176]

On the other note, ICA welcome foreign visitors with open arms, and they dun restrict them from coming back, unless those hardcores one who keep flouting immigrations rules. If there are able to let in such a big volume of visitors in here, rest assure they won't be able to contain those offenders. :)

Airport seldom reject entry unless the gal is being blacklisted! The most is ICA will do is to restrict their stay! Imagine the airline kena bear the cost of sending the gal back, accomodation at airport, food etc... All this cost $$ if ICA gonna refuse entry to so many of them, which airline wanna bring in passenger?? CAAS will start jumpin at ICA liao.

As for other checkpoint, gals leaving n enterin again for fresh visa is best to do it once only n leave for their own country. Eg a thai FL arriving in sgp n given a 14 days SVP, on the 13 day, go to malaysia or batam stay 2,3 days than return. Normally ICA will still grant another 14 days SVP to them. FYI, THAI nationality are allowed up to 30 days visa free! If they wanna try the third time, they will restrict their stay, forth time, they will refuse their entry!!
Try this too many time ICA may refused u entry for abusing the visa free facilities! without accusing the gal for wkin here...

Gals from batam, seems like havin a FL or WL printed on their forehead! ICA seems to reject their entry by ferry load!! knn saw a few time when i goin to batam more than ten gals kena escort by the ICA officer back... So dun use passport make in batam, tg balai, or tg batu unless the gal is chinese indon. Go apply in other place like padang, denpasar or jakarta.

Point to ponder on, if these gals dun come in, AV gonna closed shop liao. This gals r AV source of income leh!! :rolleyes:

[korb]

Airport seldom reject entry unless the gal is being blacklisted! The most is ICA will do is to restrict their stay! Imagine the airline kena bear the cost of sending the gal back, accomodation at airport, food etc... All this cost $$ if ICA gonna refuse entry to so many of them, which airline wanna bring in passenger?? CAAS will start jumpin at ICA liao.



ICA seldom reject but will still do it.may not be blacklisted. i know 2 of them sent back.
One girl bring with her just 2000bht in here.
if they reject the girl entry . she wait for the the same airline(not same flight) with empty seat(not every flight full house) anyway they can just deduct from her return airfare.whatever balance she have to topup her own.

my girlfriend's 3 friends allow only 3 days when they came down shopping(holiday),heng my GF never stand together with them.if not i think she also aloow 3 days.:o
so far i only known one friend got 30 days,that when she came with her mom.30 days social visit pass is just like christmas present you know.cannot suka suka give one :D

[insanity]

Informative posts! Useful stuff :D

[dc7176]

ICA seldom reject but will still do it.may not be blacklisted. i know 2 of them sent back.
One girl bring with her just 2000bht in here.
if they reject the girl entry . she wait for the the same airline(not same flight) with empty seat(not every flight full house) anyway they can just deduct from her return airfare.whatever balance she have to topup her own.


Bringing 2000 bht is juz like diggin own grave... Yes if she is being refused entry, she will take the next flight home w the same airline if there is empty sit... wat i mean is if there no sit available till next day?? the airline will hav to pay for her accomodation n food till the next available flight out! If she hav no return ticket, the airline oso have to absorb the cost of flyin her back! Frankly tat not cheap!! If any airline gotta lose $$ bcoz of this n wanna pull out of sgp, u tink CAAS wont jump at ICA?? So imho airport still the best place to enter provided u fufill the 3 basic req tat $$, return ticket n visa if required!

[korb]

Bringing 2000 bht is juz like diggin own grave... Yes if she is being refused entry, she will take the next flight home w the same airline if there is empty sit... wat i mean is if there no sit available till next day?? the airline will hav to pay for her accomodation n food till the next available flight out! If she hav no return ticket, the airline oso have to absorb the cost of flyin her back! Frankly tat not cheap!! If any airline gotta lose $$ bcoz of this n wanna pull out of sgp, u tink CAAS wont jump at ICA?? So imho airport still the best place to enter provided u fufill the 3 basic req tat $$, return ticket n visa if required!

that true . all listed at the start of the page.:)

[SingViet]

since you have exp here. can i ask.how than to claim the bonus if your child are born oversea? do you need to convert the child's birth cert to singapore first before aloowing to make the claims. thanyou bro for sharing again:)


The birth certificate of the child is not a problem. The child can be borned anywhere in the world. Both the parents name must be in the birth ceritificate. The main thing is to apply for citizenship for the child. Once the child gets citizenship, MCYS will send invitation letters to the parents and invite them to join in the baby bonus scheme.

In the event that the child was borned overseas and the father have not applied for citizenship for the child, then he/she is not eligible for baby bonus. I have come across a case where the child was borned in Vietnam, but because the father lacked the financial ability , the child wasn't given singapore citizenship. The child just followed the mother's vietnamese citizenship. The father tired hard to get the baby bonus but was rejected several times. The singaporean father regretted letting his child be borned in Vietnam. But he has no choice as he couldn't get LTSVP for his vietnamese wife, thus the wife has to return to Vietnam. This followed by the birth of his child in Vietnam and the refusal of Singapore government to give out baby bonus to him.

So a good lesson learnt is to be financially stable before getting a foreigner wife.

[SingViet]

my friend everything (including meet up with MP all chu-ka-liow) his wife now a sin PR.but baby still depending.take so long time to just convert 1 birth cert meh ?:rolleyes: now the baby i year old already. my frienw said if the child get older it may be more diffcult.


Since your friend's wife is already PR, it shows that your friend's financial ability should be alright. In this case, i will not rule out the normal thing that happens to a lot of singaporeans and their Vietnamese wife. The child should be borned before the couple officially got married. In this case, the father;s name will only be inserted into the child;s birth cert after the parents are officially married. ICA will not easily give Citizenship to the child in this case. Your friend will have to bring the child to HSA for DNA test to prove that the child is his before the child can get citizenship and Baby Bonus. Once the child is over 1 year old, there will be more paper work to be done. So not so easy :(

[korb]

Since your friend's wife is already PR, it shows that your friend's financial ability should be alright. In this case, i will not rule out the normal thing that happens to a lot of singaporeans and their Vietnamese wife. The child should be borned before the couple officially got married. In this case, the father;s name will only be inserted into the child;s birth cert after the parents are officially married. ICA will not easily give Citizenship to the child in this case. Your friend will have to bring the child to HSA for DNA test to prove that the child is his before the child can get citizenship and Baby Bonus. Once the child is over 1 year old, there will be more paper work to be done. So not so easy :(

my friend married then have baby in vietnam. i remembered once he told me ,got one time he forgotton to extend her baby visa ,don't know whether is this the problem for being delay.and also he did not pay income tax.but he ask MP to write letter to apply for her wife PR. heng heng ICA give him.

[korb]

Since your friend's wife is already PR, it shows that your friend's financial ability should be alright. In this case, i will not rule out the normal thing that happens to a lot of singaporeans and their Vietnamese wife. The child should be borned before the couple officially got married. In this case, the father;s name will only be inserted into the child;s birth cert after the parents are officially married. ICA will not easily give Citizenship to the child in this case. Your friend will have to bring the child to HSA for DNA test to prove that the child is his before the child can get citizenship and Baby Bonus. Once the child is over 1 year old, there will be more paper work to be done. So not so easy :(

actually the friend who did not got his baby bonus ,his wife is from russia.his child born in sg.

the friend who baby have not got his citizenship if from vietnam.his child borned in vietnam.

[SingViet]

my friend married then have baby in vietnam. i remembered once he told me ,got one time he forgotton to extend her baby visa ,don't know whether is this the problem for being delay.and also he did not pay income tax.but he ask MP to write letter to apply for her wife PR. heng heng ICA give him.


No pay income tax, then it will be very difficult leh. Heng heng can get for wife PR but cannot be heng all the time. Payment of income tax is very important if want to have foreign wife

[naemlo]

No pay income tax, then it will be very difficult leh. Heng heng can get for wife PR but cannot be heng all the time. Payment of income tax is very important if want to have foreign wife


Si meh??? I every yrs no need to pay also, maybe my pay is way too low to contribute to the building of this nation??? :confused:

[korb]

No pay income tax, then it will be very difficult leh. Heng heng can get for wife PR but cannot be heng all the time. Payment of income tax is very important if want to have foreign wife


you mean must pay income tax even when your child is born.i thought that only apply to foriegn wife.

[SingViet]

you mean must pay income tax even when your child is born.i thought that only apply to foriegn wife.


From my experience, ICA normally requires Income Tax returns for application for LTSVP, PR or citizenship for foreign wives or children borned abroad. When i applied for my children's citizenship, they also asked for my past 3 years income tax returns. Children borned overseas will be issued with a citizenship certificate, they need not change their birth certificate

[SingViet]

Si meh??? I every yrs no need to pay also, maybe my pay is way too low to contribute to the building of this nation??? :confused:

Bro, u try to get a foreign wife if u didn't pay income tax. U see if you need to approach your MP for help... even if your MP help u write a letter, ICA may not agree also as too many non taxpaying singaporean males are getting foreign wives and getting their MP to help them write letter. :D

[naemlo]

Bro, u try to get a foreign wife if u didn't pay income tax. U see if you need to approach your MP for help...

Hiazzzz... then dun apply PR loh. Come n go.... SG PR no big f. Anyone who is so called in a sport which their own country dun need them can have a PR in SG. :D No

A question, what happen if she earns big money in her country n I earn peanut in SG.

[Rof|maoxz]

Airport seldom reject entry unless the gal is being blacklisted! The most is ICA will do is to restrict their stay! Imagine the airline kena bear the cost of sending the gal back, accomodation at airport, food etc... All this cost $$ if ICA gonna refuse entry to so many of them, which airline wanna bring in passenger?? CAAS will start jumpin at ICA liao.

As for other checkpoint, gals leaving n enterin again for fresh visa is best to do it once only n leave for their own country. Eg a thai FL arriving in sgp n given a 14 days SVP, on the 13 day, go to malaysia or batam stay 2,3 days than return. Normally ICA will still grant another 14 days SVP to them. FYI, THAI nationality are allowed up to 30 days visa free! If they wanna try the third time, they will restrict their stay, forth time, they will refuse their entry!!
Try this too many time ICA may refused u entry for abusing the visa free facilities! without accusing the gal for wkin here...

Gals from batam, seems like havin a FL or WL printed on their forehead! ICA seems to reject their entry by ferry load!! knn saw a few time when i goin to batam more than ten gals kena escort by the ICA officer back... So dun use passport make in batam, tg balai, or tg batu unless the gal is chinese indon. Go apply in other place like padang, denpasar or jakarta.

Point to ponder on, if these gals dun come in, AV gonna closed shop liao. This gals r AV source of income leh!!

Hey, you rebute me arh? :D :D

[Rof|maoxz]

Si meh??? I every yrs no need to pay also, maybe my pay is way too low to contribute to the building of this nation??? :confused:

You helped in a great deal in renovating TH four walls mah. I think IRAS wavied your income tax for this year. :cool:

[dc7176]

A question, what happen if she earns big money in her country n I earn peanut in SG.

Than u apply PR or migrate to her home land lor... still wait for wat?? :D

[Rof|maoxz]

Bro, u try to get a foreign wife if u didn't pay income tax. U see if you need to approach your MP for help... even if your MP help u write a letter, ICA may not agree also as too many non taxpaying singaporean males are getting foreign wives and getting their MP to help them write letter. :D

I still remember I didn't apply for any tax relief except NS relief is automatic. Because my pay was $23K/per year 2 years ago, just nice pay abit to IRAS.

Hiazzzz... then dun apply PR loh. Come n go.... SG PR no big f. Anyone who is so called in a sport which their own country dun need them can have a PR in SG.

A question, what happen if she earns big money in her country n I earn peanut in SG.

maybe I should have asked my wife to train for singapore table tennis team. :p

[naemlo]

You helped in a great deal in renovating TH four walls mah. I think IRAS wavied your income tax for this year. :cool:

Nbz, this u also know. I also contribute to the SG economic hor?? I quite proud of it.... :D

[naemlo]

Than u apply PR or migrate to her home land lor... still wait for wat?? :D


Thinking of this...... oi next mth HCMC.... u on boh. This time not last min liao, abt a mth for u to prepare. ;)

[naemlo]

maybe I should have asked my wife to train for singapore table tennis team.


Hmmm not bad idea. A lot of foreign talents there.... So proud of them to win the last SEA game. Hmmm when will they win the Asian game??? :confused:

[bangkoktonight]

Extortion at Malaysia's Immigration Check Point

For those who wants to go to Malaysia (or maybe even indonesia) with their gf to stay one night and then come back to singapore to to extend their visa, be aware that girls holding thai passport will not only have problems at singapore immigration but malaysia's immigration as well.

My thai gf and I went to M'sia by the 2nd link. No problem exiting singapore. However, at M'sia immigration checkpoint, the immigration officer noticed that my gf's singapore visa will expire the next day and told us so. I told him i know that and that is why we are leaving the country.

He further went on to say that because of that (sg visa expired), my gf will not be allowed to enter singapore. KNN, i was thinking, whether she will be allowed entry is up to singapore and not up to malaysia. So i asked him, will my gf be allowed to exter malaysia. He said yes but will not be allowed to reenter singapore :confused:

Then he went on to say that he will chop my gfs passport and said somthing that she will be allowed to transit malaysia thru the thai border and all the bullshit.

Basically he was trying to make things difficult. He then told me that I need more than $1000RM if i want to go to malaysia etc etc.... Asked me how much I have with me. (knn I thought if I carry more than $1000Rm than i need to declare.)

Initially I thought he wanted to extort a lot of money from me so I asked him how much he wanted. He asked me how much I had. ???

I thought he was bluffing about the visa and reentry thing so didnt want to give him any money. I had wanted to return to sg if it;s so much trouble but since at 2nd link, it was quite troublesome. Just took out $50RM and gave it to him. (for bros who encounter similar problem next time, I think $20RM is enough).

We were treated rudely and in a threatening manner by the officer.
I had wanted to take down his name and number and report him for corruption but his name tag was partially hidden.

Anyway, on our way back, my gf also encountered problem at sg checkpoint. KNN kena called into office for a chat. When my gf came out, she told me she had a friendly chat with the immigration officer (about 20min). Her thumb print were also taken I think to see if she is in the data base of illegal immigrants or people who had commited offences in singapore and are not allowed entry.
Her departure flight was in one week's time, otherwise she would have been given a 2 week visa, or even 1 month visa if she has a one month valid return flight ticket.

So bros going to Malaysia with their GFs to extend visa please take note that problem will not only occur at sg checkpoint, but also at Malaysia (if going to Malaysia).

Travelling with women carrying thai passports can be very troublesome.

[dc7176]

Travelling with women carrying thai passports can be very troublesome.

Travellin w women carrying any other ppt w the purpose of U turning to extend their stay is v troublesome!!

Best way is to go ICA building to extend her stay if u r really the BF w the intention of settling down w her.

[bangkoktonight]

Travellin w women carrying any other ppt w the purpose of U turning to extend their stay is v troublesome!!

Best way is to go ICA building to extend her stay if u r really the BF w the intention of settling down w her.

I anticipated the problem to be at Sg checkpoint...but at Malaysian checkpoint also??? How was our re entry back to singapore any concern of the malaysian checpoint??? :confuse

[dc7176]

I anticipated the problem to be at Sg checkpoint...but at Malaysian checkpoint also??? How was our re entry back to singapore any concern of the malaysian checpoint??? :confused:

Tat bcoz the malaysian immigration see the last entry n dep date of the spore endorsement! they figure out tat u need a malaysian entry endorsement to proof tat ur gf hav leave spore for a 3rd country b4 returning to spore.

W/O the malaysian immigration endorsement, its useless even u hav the spore dep stamp. It doesnt proof tat u hav enter a 3rd country. N those corrupted malaysian idiots take the chance to ask u for $$ lor...

Next time try takin their names or ask for their name! Than send a comlpain letter to the malaysian embassy in spore.

[Rof|maoxz]

hi bro

malaysia checkpoint ppl will find all ways and means to find an excuse to get kopi money from us.esp if u are with a foreign gf,be it thai,prc etc. last time i brought a prc gal to msia and after a day there,we return via woodlands and the immigration fella at the malaysia checkpoint ask me,how come only stay one day?in my heart i was swearing,wtf is it ur business whether i stay one day or 10 days? i act blur and i told him i didn't know that there is a minimum stay req in msia,end of the day,he just pop the golden question,"u settle with me here ok?put some $ in ur passport and pass it back to me and i will settle it for u!!

put $20 ringgit and the fella stamp the girl passport....

Tks~ for the input. But be careful on the one in bold, it might backfire. :)

[bangkoktonight]

Tat bcoz the malaysian immigration see the last entry n dep date of the spore endorsement! they figure out tat u need a malaysian entry endorsement to proof tat ur gf hav leave spore for a 3rd country b4 returning to spore.

W/O the malaysian immigration endorsement, its useless even u hav the spore dep stamp. It doesnt proof tat u hav enter a 3rd country. N those corrupted malaysian idiots take the chance to ask u for $$ lor...

Next time try takin their names or ask for their name! Than send a comlpain letter to the malaysian embassy in spore.

recently some tourism and immigration official from malaysia were in singapore to promote tourism in Johor and also tell singaporeans that Johor is safe to visit. I think If I were to make a verbal complaint to the malaysian immigration officer at the conference, they really have a lot to explain... just like the nude/squat case...KNN those corrupted idiots..