View Full Version : ord from geylang , can come back sg ?
Javanoob
28-08-2006, 02:03 AM
ger just ord not long ago, wanan come back to find me,
but according to her boss, 3 yrs cannot come back, she is not sure and want me to ask sg immigration, any bro wif experience can help ?
thanks.
snake-eater
29-08-2006, 10:43 PM
From what I know, come back can lah. Best if she can change a new passport there.
But if she overstay, or do something wrong here, then good luck to her. Don't even think of extending her stay at SIR as well, she will end up in jail straightaway.
shit8
30-08-2006, 02:13 AM
dun think they can come back within 3 years bro..thats what i heard..even if u wanna marry her, muz marry somewhere else, but that dosent guarantee she can stay in spore
Y2J2000
30-08-2006, 11:55 AM
From what I know, come back can lah. Best if she can change a new passport there.
But if she overstay, or do something wrong here, then good luck to her. Don't even think of extending her stay at SIR as well, she will end up in jail straightaway.
Hi Bro
Update.............
No longer called SIR changed name to ICA - Immigration Customs Authority leow.
Orica
31-08-2006, 01:23 AM
dun think they can come back within 3 years bro..thats what i heard..even if u wanna marry her, muz marry somewhere else, but that dosent guarantee she can stay in spore
Gals can come back with a valid passport on social visa. Marry them here think very difficult. Also can she stay in SIN and adapt life here? Think this is difficullt.
Mazda 2822
31-08-2006, 01:29 AM
ger just ord not long ago, wanan come back to find me,
but according to her boss, 3 yrs cannot come back, she is not sure and want me to ask sg immigration, any bro wif experience can help ?
thanks.
Why can't come back? Onli what is the reason to come back. To visit or to marry and settle down.
To visit, most WL came back after ORD. They have $$ and they have sponsors. Came back to look for so call tiraks, go out with few men in one trip in different time/day. Do patime, sleep short time with the so called tiraks, earn extra income. Call men from the tirak list by using the phone from their friends who still working as WL.
Why not for them quick $$ and can enjoy/shopping/KC ing...This is the best method to earn more income after ord but normally exWL can onli do this few times normally, within 6 months after ord. Why? Because so call tiraks still remember them and has not shift target to get a new regular WL.
After 6 month this method can't work then, go back to work in meat trade either in LOS or oversea.. the WL life circle begin for them.
Unless those really can hold on the big carrot/robert head for more then 6 months, serve lesser men. Of course there are some earn extra income in the LOS meat trade even have big robert head.
Every ord ed WL has different paths but one thing almost similar - they will still remain in meat trade - onli work in other place, LOS, service the big robert head when he in LOS or she come to Sillypore to serves him and others, service her Pii Chai, or any other men who can give them $$$.
As for to come Sillypore to marry you? Chok dee! Hope you wake up earlier. Don't fall into what i was a year ago!
seth86
31-08-2006, 11:18 AM
Why can't come back? Onli what is the reason to come back. To visit or to marry and settle down.
To visit, most WL came back after ORD. They have $$ and they have sponsors. Came back to look for so call tiraks, go out with few men in one trip in different time/day. Do patime, sleep short time with the so called tiraks, earn extra income. Call men from the tirak list by using the phone from their friends who still working as WL.
Why not for them quick $$ and can enjoy/shopping/KC ing...This is the best method to earn more income after ord but normally exWL can onli do this few times normally, within 6 months after ord. Why? Because so call tiraks still remember them and has not shift target to get a new regular WL.
After 6 month this method can't work then, go back to work in meat trade either in LOS or oversea.. the WL life circle begin for them.
Unless those really can hold on the big carrot/robert head for more then 6 months, serve lesser men. Of course there are some earn extra income in the LOS meat trade even have big robert head.
Every ord ed WL has different paths but one thing almost similar - they will still remain in meat trade - onli work in other place, LOS, service the big robert head when he in LOS or she come to Sillypore to serves him and others, service her Pii Chai, or any other men who can give them $$$.
As for to come Sillypore to marry you? Chok dee! Hope you wake up earlier. Don't fall into what i was a year ago!
lol bro care to share wat u fall into 1 year ago?
Mazda 2822
31-08-2006, 03:46 PM
lol bro care to share wat u fall into 1 year ago?
Check those stories at the 'woes of a tirak' thread.
My onli small portion of that!
siamcutey
31-08-2006, 04:58 PM
ORD from Geylang liao, must see whether have reservist. If have RT, definitely will come back more often.
For those ROD liao, I guessed they don't come back liao. Maybe once in a while come back lim kopi with old friends. But hor, lau peng cannot liao lah.
hehehe
SC
reuters
31-08-2006, 05:05 PM
ORD from Geylang liao,
hehehe
SC
When I saw this thread, I know you sure post. :D
Your army buddy suteerak1099 MIA long time, you know why?:confused:
siamcutey
31-08-2006, 05:07 PM
When I saw this thread, I know you sure post. :D
Your army buddy suteerak1099 MIA long time, you know why?:confused:
Correction. his "army buddy" is red perrier. U have to PM him.
hehehe
SC
reuters
31-08-2006, 05:15 PM
Correction. his "army buddy" is red perrier. U have to PM him.
hehehe
SC
Pai sei, he got too many army buddy, I forgot who is his buddy. In time to come, he might say free is his army buddy too.
Jepunkia
31-08-2006, 07:49 PM
thats what the AV claim but i have seen 1 of my Bro married already 2 years back but have problem getting long term pass.
wolverman
31-08-2006, 08:40 PM
No longer called SIR changed name to ICA - Immigration Customs Authority leow.
Its known as Immigration CHECKPOINT Authority.
CumKing
31-08-2006, 08:55 PM
Its known as Immigration CHECKPOINT Authority.
wah basket so precise and in bold some more..
To be EVEN more precise - it's IMMIGRATION & CHECKPOINTS AUTHORITY.
U missed out d " &" and the "s"..hahaha
Javanoob
01-09-2006, 01:44 AM
yet to have a cfm answer lei.
think i call immigration ask better.
will comfirm here in case sum1 need ans too.
Malaysian Datuk
02-09-2006, 08:25 PM
wah basket so precise and in bold some more..
To be EVEN more precise - it's IMMIGRATION & CHECKPOINTS AUTHORITY.
U missed out d " &" and the "s"..hahahayou oso very free cum in do corrections hor.....:p
Malaysian Datuk
02-09-2006, 08:36 PM
yet to have a cfm answer lei.
think i call immigration ask better.
will comfirm here in case sum1 need ans too.save trouble best is dun ever come back....you go see her in LOS or tell her go until jb you go and meet up there better.....
when she ROD....sorrie i mean ORD (wait bros come correct mi)....she would have been told how long cannot come back here....some few yrs, others forever. dun play play with ICA.....my buddy just got a case of ex-WL who came back as tourist on her sis passport kena sabo by jealous tirak got charged on 3 counts.....now sitting in Portsdown for 16 months.
Orica
05-09-2006, 08:41 PM
yet to have a cfm answer lei.
think i call immigration ask better.
will comfirm here in case sum1 need ans too.
If she has a proper passport, she can come in.
Recently i also met an ex-WL in SIN when she in town.
Went for coffee TCS but no sex although I'm ready to ON anytime.
suteerak1099
06-09-2006, 02:08 PM
Pai sei, he got too many army buddy, I forgot who is his buddy. In time to come, he might say free is his army buddy too. LOL... what's so wrong about having a buddy from army days who share the same interest? as if, i'm the only 1 with army cheong buddy, and most definately not the only 1 with army cheong buddy who's in SBF too...
free is so many yrs older than some of us here leh... how to be my army buddy? unless he kena "long-service NS award" ... LOL
singrakthai
06-09-2006, 04:06 PM
LOL... what's so wrong about having a buddy from army days who share the same interest? as if, i'm the only 1 with army cheong buddy, and most definately not the only 1 with army cheong buddy who's in SBF too...
Long time no see!
Please stick to the thread...
so can ur "tirak" come S'pore after she ORD? :D
AtsushiHara
08-09-2006, 04:21 PM
yet to have a cfm answer lei.
think i call immigration ask better.
will comfirm here in case sum1 need ans too.
Bro dun bother asking anyone here and quit thinking about asking the immigration. I won't say thats a bright idea. Immigration WON'T tell you anything.
She want to come is at her own risk. Try her luck, she go through checkpoint nothing happen does not mean that when she is going back won't kenna detained at checkpoint hor. When questioned dun lie, tell the truth and she'll be fine, if found out lying sure kenna.
And also forging passports or changing names is a very serious offence, slim chance to escape ICA's system. If she changed name before she better declare.
Its ironic, you play it the sincere and legal way, the officers may just be nice enough to let her come for a short social visit.
And please take note hor, 911 anniversary and IMF is starting liaoz so I guess immigration also stepping up security. BTW, I am not in anyway related to the ICA. :)
AtsushiHara
08-09-2006, 04:25 PM
By the way all the above mentioned cases aren't some made-up horror story. Just a word of advice. I would say you go visit her is best! :)
Sound advice from bro AtsushiHara - will add you shortly :)
ORD from GL of course can come back, they're not criminals, but just like maids - they are not allowed to marry in SG, papers which they have signed before leaving. They are considered a special group as defined in Immigration Act as
(e) any prostitute or any person who is living on or receiving or who, prior to entering Singapore, lived on or received the proceeds of prostitution;
- http://agcvldb4.agc.gov.sg/non_version/cgi-bin/cgi_retrieve.pl?actno=REVED-133&doctitle=IMMIGRATION%20ACT%0a&date=latest&method=part
By the way, I'm also not related to ICA.
JWNY
suteerak1099
11-09-2006, 12:16 PM
Long time no see!
Please stick to the thread...
so can ur "tirak" come S'pore after she ORD? :D yes SRT, its been quite awhile... in regards to your query, (its not exclusive to mine only), all who ORD can be regarded as tourists when they come on a social visit pass.. and not any other employment past etc. more importantly, must not be overstaying- as per applicable to any other commoner as well.... the answer to your qn is - Yes.
i'm sure some bros here can vouch that some other ORDed gals have indeed returned for short social visits, and having fun in their fav haunt...
nonetheless, best for ORDed gals to refrain from re-entering, just to be on the safe side; of not being implicated by law, ala any tiny little misdeed/infringement with the law.
Every ord ed WL has different paths but one thing almost similar - they will still remain in meat trade - onli work in other place, LOS, service the big robert head when he in LOS or she come to Sillypore to serves him and others, service her Pii Chai, or any other men who can give them $$$.
wow lau, you lidat say, those tirak wannabes hear liao sure very 'cake sim' (heart ache) leh .............. hahahahaha
reuters
12-09-2006, 09:05 AM
free is so many yrs older than some of us here leh... how to be my army buddy?
Maybe you say he is your CO or OC.:D
rocketscientist
13-09-2006, 10:40 PM
Read in The Straits Times recently of the 21 year old Thai mother married to 30 year old Singaporean. Still in jail and appealing deportation. ICA just like other governement agencies. Kiasu and No Compassion.
asdfghjkl
13-09-2006, 10:47 PM
when my bf ord from army, i kept on hearing him shouting "ORD LIAO LOR!!" :o
angie II
13-09-2006, 11:13 PM
when my bf ord from army, i kept on hearing him shouting "ORD LIAO LOR!!" :o
There u go again confusing us with ur sexuality.. :rolleyes:
b4 u sleep, drink a bucket of water.. sure next morning marikita wan..
.
paulsun
14-09-2006, 02:21 AM
Read in The Straits Times recently of the 21 year old Thai mother married to 30 year old Singaporean. Still in jail and appealing deportation. ICA just like other governement agencies. Kiasu and No Compassion.
This case in question the woman is not WL but an overstayer who was working in Golden Mile, she overstayed for 1 month previously and banned from Singapore. She came back got married had kids but was found out and jailed. The husband got help from his MP Wong Kan Seng who is Home Affairs minister and story appear in newspaper, her appeal confirm no problem.
Bangkok Master
14-09-2006, 12:42 PM
And also forging passports or changing names is a very serious offence, slim chance to escape ICA's system. If she changed name before she better declare.
Actually if she comes for a social visit then there will be no problem but if she's going to apply to get married and stay in Sg then it will be BIG PROBLEM.
My friend's wife thought she could get through by changing her name and passport to avoid detection, actually after 3 months things were looking good when she were still going to ICA to renew her visa. Then things took a turn when my friend went to apply the long term dependent pass for her and she was exposed.
She was charged on failing to declare her status + change of name by filling up wrong information on the declaration form. The case drag for 3 months and even my friend seek help from Marine Parade MPs, Lobang from ministry of foreign affairs also no use. She was pregnant for 7 months due to deliver in Sept also kanna jailed for 8 weeks.
So dun play play when comes to things involving immigration cos the head of ICA is Mr L** Kuan Yow...
hello seniors.
presently i getting my tirak(non-WL) to come over to sillypore to get wed.
but there's a slight problem. she was 1st brought to here by her mamasan four years ago(she was 18/19 at that time).
but she was turned away by the police when her mamasan bring her to do documents with the police so as to allow her to work WL @ GL.
meaning she arrived night (sillypore) and return the next day without even started to work. and according to her mamasan, her mamasan told her she will need to pay her mamasan 50,000B as fine.As she dun have money to pay up, she cont'd to work for her mamasan in LOS.
i met her after that 4 years, till now i decided to wed her in sillypore.
just to find out from seniors here. is she considered 'working as WL here b4?"
will there be problems?
pls advice, seniors.
sherm
16-09-2006, 01:20 AM
She was charged on failing to declare her status + change of name by filling up wrong information on the declaration form.
if the WL declare her new name, there shouldnt be a problem coming Singapore?
And if so, when and where she have to delcare first b4 entering Singapore.
Thanks
snake-eater
16-09-2006, 04:49 AM
Bro, you must understand.
Getting married is not a problem. I mean they wont stop u.
But for the WL part, it is better to be careful. Did she sign any declaration form to agree not to come back to Singapore again?
If you want to marry her, then in long term must apply PR. Then this issue may then become a problem.
I have a fren who registered for marriage no problem. But he then bring her to ICA to extend visa for marry. Next thing they know, she end up in jail 3 months.
But for the WL part, it is better to be careful. Did she sign any declaration form to agree not to come back to Singapore again?
.
hello, snake-eater, the thing is she never consider working as GL WL.
She touch and went back for just a day stay here.
ansonlky
16-09-2006, 08:07 PM
Hey bros,need some advise from u guys.
i am facing a problem trying to apply legally for my spouse to get into here on visit pass,the problem is she had changed her name and get a different passport and successfully came to singapore 3 times without detection.recently her friend got caught and was sentenced to 2 years at womens prison. i am in a spot now.should i be honest in the name change and declare to the ica while trying to apply for permission here or should i juz lie thru and tell them she had observe the so call 3 year ban period.?i dinking of going to the mp to seek help if there is a need.if all avenues doesnt work i dinking of migrating to stay wif her coz i feel the authorities here doesnt give ppl a 2nd chance and condemn thais.
If you want to marry her, then in long term must apply PR. Then this issue may then become a problem.
I have a fren who registered for marriage no problem. But he then bring her to ICA to extend visa for marry. Next thing they know, she end up in jail 3 months. She ORD not long ago i presume? if not...best is NOT to apply for PR...:)
JWNY
Bangkok Master
17-09-2006, 03:34 AM
She was charged on failing to declare her status + change of name by filling up wrong information on the declaration form.
if the WL declare her new name, there shouldnt be a problem coming Singapore?
And if so, when and where she have to delcare first b4 entering Singapore.
Thanks
Actually if she comes to Sg with a new identity without applying to stay here permanently then it will have no problem. But if you're considering marrying her then you will have to seek approval from ICA, whether it gets approved depends on case to case basis.
Bangkok Master
17-09-2006, 03:40 AM
Hey bros,need some advise from u guys.
i am facing a problem trying to apply legally for my spouse to get into here on visit pass,the problem is she had changed her name and get a different passport and successfully came to singapore 3 times without detection.recently her friend got caught and was sentenced to 2 years at womens prison. i am in a spot now.should i be honest in the name change and declare to the ica while trying to apply for permission here or should i juz lie thru and tell them she had observe the so call 3 year ban period.?i dinking of going to the mp to seek help if there is a need.if all avenues doesnt work i dinking of migrating to stay wif her coz i feel the authorities here doesnt give ppl a 2nd chance and condemn thais.
Please do not attempt to lie to the authorities as my friend also thought like you previously but you will never know how advance our immigration system are. The best is to go through the proper channel if not you spouse will end up in Changi and you will face a bigger headache to even see her in Sg in future.
It will take a long process to apply for her to stay in Sg permanently, I heard there are tonnes of ppl like you including my friend who face the same problem but what I heard is if your wife is pregnant with a child, the chances of appealing is higher. I guess it's the child that matters, you will have to be patient about it.
ansonlky
17-09-2006, 09:38 AM
Please do not attempt to lie to the authorities as my friend also thought like you previously but you will never know how advance our immigration system are. The best is to go through the proper channel if not you spouse will end up in Changi and you will face a bigger headache to even see her in Sg in future.
It will take a long process to apply for her to stay in Sg permanently, I heard there are tonnes of ppl like you including my friend who face the same problem but what I heard is if your wife is pregnant with a child, the chances of appealing is higher. I guess it's the child that matters, you will have to be patient about it.
Thanks for your advise bro, so are u trying to say i should seek readdress thru anti-vice,ica and my mp?i have no clue whether in being honest really helps as as i feel if she had observe the so-called *3 year banned period* her chance would be higher,now that she had already infiltrated the system by changing name and passport to come here.i wonder if the authorities would arrest her if she ever set foot here again.and i wouldnt want to risk getting her pregnant just for the sake of trying my luck to apply for her visit status.guess it is getting real hard to form a family necleus here,i really wonder how the hell am i ever going get here its been also 3 years she went back and i am dinking of registering at bkk and getting proper documentations to support my claim.
sherm
17-09-2006, 12:09 PM
Actually if she comes to Sg with a new identity without applying to stay here permanently then it will have no problem. But if you're considering marrying her then you will have to seek approval from ICA, whether it gets approved depends on case to case basis.
Thanks Bangkok Master. Your Information is very helpful.
In the beginning she use forge Passport to work as WL. Now in Thailand, she redo a new passport which is her original one.
Therefore, I told her to use the Original one to enter Sg. However, her forge Passport and her original passport have different names. Now I worried the ICA might caught her for this.
Any suggestion. Thanks
my friend who face the same problem but what I heard is if your wife is pregnant with a child, the chances of appealing is higher. I guess it's the child that matters, you will have to be patient about it. Good advice bro...and truth is...a boy matters more...:)
JWNY
safetybest
17-09-2006, 04:49 PM
My experience:-
Best to make sure all papers in order, declare everything on form and apply for visa in advance.
If your friend has ever been fingerprinted, then forget about different passport or different name. Bound to be found out sooner or later, and Immigration Office never forgets.
My friend many years ago had trouble with a bad passport. SInce then she come in and out many times, but last time, she went for few days extension; fingerprinted at SIR Building, then next stop Changi Prison.
Singapore immigration and courts are very strict, and don't tell you what your rights are; quite unfair, especially you don't speak good English or frightened.
So be careful, make sure papers are OK, and apply in advance - too easy to make a mistake, and too easy to go from SIR Building to Changi (not the airport)
SB
ansonlky
17-09-2006, 08:07 PM
Actually if she comes to Sg with a new identity without applying to stay here permanently then it will have no problem. But if you're considering marrying her then you will have to seek approval from ICA, whether it gets approved depends on case to case basis.
Hi,can i Just check with u whats your defination of "new identity"? even if she changed her outlook passport and name i dink chances of detection thru biometric prints is very high that was how her frenz was caught at woodlands custom.initially she managed to clear the airport checks but got into trouble when she was returning from a shopping trip at jb.the court charged for under illegal immigrant act for false declaration of identity, floating the repatriation ban period. she was sentenced of 3 counts and found guilty,subsequently throw to cwp for 3 yrs 2 yrs off remission. i remember my gf told me when they came here they need to go for thumb prints for their 10 fingers and when they left they were made to sign a document not to enter singapore or marry a singaporean guy.for watever rationale i am bewildered. so even if they managed to sneak in the element of danger of being discovered is still here. till now i haven't have ani idea in mind of how to wed her and bring here here. so i guess as what u said being honest is still the best policy.but again have u ever ask yourself how the hell are you going to bring up this topic when u go for interview with the ica or appeal to anti-vice? worse comes to the worse i dun even know how to bring this up to my mp.
Malaysian Datuk
17-09-2006, 11:32 PM
Thanks Bangkok Master. Your Information is very helpful.
In the beginning she use forge Passport to work as WL. Now in Thailand, she redo a new passport which is her original one.
Therefore, I told her to use the Original one to enter Sg. However, her forge Passport and her original passport have different names. Now I worried the ICA might caught her for this.
Any suggestion. ThanksAs long as she dun apply for PR then slim chance ICA will know.....unless got people (ex-tiraks/customers) tip off
As long as she dun apply for PR then slim chance ICA will know.....
Dear Datuk,
you are 101% right on this matter. But it seems like most of the ex-WLs (or the guys) would very much want to apply PR status for the girl so that they can once-and-for all stay in Sg together w/o the hassle of extending permit perioically.
Those who wish to apply PR status for their married spouse (ex-Cat 40 WLs) listen up, there is no way that your spouse will get PR status if they had used a different name / passport to re-enter Sg, unless she put her 10 fingers on hot plate and burn 'em ..............
The_Unrepentant
18-09-2006, 06:55 PM
Dear Datuk,
you are 101% right on this matter. But it seems like most of the ex-WLs (or the guys) would very much want to apply PR status for the girl so that they can once-and-for all stay in Sg together w/o the hassle of extending permit perioically.
Those who wish to apply PR status for their married spouse (ex-Cat 40 WLs) listen up, there is no way that your spouse will get PR status if they had used a different name / passport to re-enter Sg, unless she put her 10 fingers on hot plate and burn 'em ..............
Give the immigrant officer a good blow, and maybe he will change his mind.:D
Give the immigrant officer a good blow, and maybe he will change his mind.:D
you think this is funny?!
don't you know you are offending lots of other's tiraks?
why don't u get your tirak to give the Officer the good blow?
Give the immigrant officer a good blow, and maybe he will change his mind.:D
wait he say blow no shiok, he want 落水 .... lidat how?
singrakthai
19-09-2006, 02:51 PM
Those who wish to apply PR status for their married spouse (ex-Cat 40 WLs) listen up, there is no way that your spouse will get PR status if they had used a different name / passport to re-enter Sg, unless she put her 10 fingers on hot plate and burn 'em ..............
u like this teach people goot meh? :D
This kinda old trick u also dare teach.. I think the immigration officers will laugh when they see 10 burnt fingers and in fact conduct a more throughout check! :D
Malaysian Datuk
19-09-2006, 05:46 PM
Dear Datuk,
you are 101% right on this matter. But it seems like most of the ex-WLs (or the guys) would very much want to apply PR status for the girl so that they can once-and-for all stay in Sg together w/o the hassle of extending permit perioically.
Those who wish to apply PR status for their married spouse (ex-Cat 40 WLs) listen up, there is no way that your spouse will get PR status if they had used a different name / passport to re-enter Sg, unless she put her 10 fingers on hot plate and burn 'em ..............
I got a friend married with ex-cat40 WL give birth to 3 kids....wife already here 10 years on a different name passport...eldest kid already 8 years old.....every year go renew green card also scare because ICA will 'invite' her to do PR.....they worry coz running out of excuses to reject already....sway sway one day ICA suspicious ask for fingerprints then end of happy family liao....ALWAYS THINK b4 YOU ACT.....
The_Unrepentant
19-09-2006, 06:45 PM
you think this is funny?!
don't you know you are offending lots of other's tiraks?
why don't u get your tirak to give the Officer the good blow?
my tirak is giving everyone not just the officer blow plus fj.urs?:D
The_Unrepentant
19-09-2006, 06:46 PM
wait he say blow no shiok, he want 落水 .... lidat how?
sure .$40 lai. Give u 25 min.:D
suteerak1099
20-09-2006, 02:02 PM
Maybe you say he is your CO or OC.:D my CO? my OC? LOL... pls... LOL.
suteerak1099
20-09-2006, 02:06 PM
She was charged on failing to declare her status + change of name by filling up wrong information on the declaration form.
if the WL declare her new name, there shouldnt be a problem coming Singapore?
And if so, when and where she have to delcare first b4 entering Singapore.
Thanks declaring new name/identity also no difference. they already have all 10 finger prints in record with the authorities. no horse run.
siamcutey
20-09-2006, 02:11 PM
I got a friend married with ex-cat40 WL give birth to 3 kids....wife already here 10 years on a different name passport...eldest kid already 8 years old.....every year go renew green card also scare because ICA will 'invite' her to do PR.....they worry coz running out of excuses to reject already....sway sway one day ICA suspicious ask for fingerprints then end of happy family liao....ALWAYS THINK b4 YOU ACT.....
the postings here a bit ambiguous. Simply can say
If want to renew green card, use actual name and passport. Don't try using fake name or another passport.
If ICA take fingerprints and before that already declared is WL before, will not be prosecuted.
SC
suteerak1099
20-09-2006, 02:23 PM
I got a friend married with ex-cat40 WL give birth to 3 kids....wife already here 10 years on a different name passport...eldest kid already 8 years old.....every year go renew green card also scare because ICA will 'invite' her to do PR.....they worry coz running out of excuses to reject already....sway sway one day ICA suspicious ask for fingerprints then end of happy family liao....ALWAYS THINK b4 YOU ACT..... another method that probably has less red tapes is to migrate & settle down else where. new location, new beginning, new life... for both spouses.
WorldSexGuide
20-09-2006, 04:08 PM
another method that probably has less red tapes is to migrate & settle down else where. new location, new beginning, new life... for both spouses.
Where would you suggest? Somewhere baan nok in LOS ? :D
The_Unrepentant
20-09-2006, 04:50 PM
Where would you suggest? Somewhere baan nok in LOS ?
he got many business counterpart. want to migrate where also can lol.:D
safetybest
20-09-2006, 06:45 PM
QUOTE...
i remember my gf told me when they came here they need to go for thumb prints for their 10 fingers and when they left they were made to sign a document not to enter singapore or marry a singaporean guy.
...ENDQUOTE
She can write (to Director Immigration? CHief Justice? Don't know) and ask the ban to be lifted. Maybe present good argument, nice letter from Sponsor, explanation of changed circumstances, then maybe is OK...
or maybe not
SB
Mazda 2822
21-09-2006, 11:52 AM
My ex-tirak came back at least 3X for shopping aka seeing all the men she had and collect periodic maintenance from those sillyporeans who sponsored her.
She need to come in to collect more $$ because some men just don;\'t visit bkk and bring $$ to her or don't want to trouble to do TT and banker cheque.
She kind of poor thing even need to get a singapore registered hp to call some men who promise to sponsor her but did not turn up :(
She need to do so because she built a big house in Mea Sai and need installment and can not lose face since her parents boasted to whole village how good/how fast she can earn $$ !!!
She use passport with other name and never get caught!! as long as she obey the law...just like other sillyporean -- everything just say 'yes' and comply..
10 months later she had no choice and gone back to the meat industry in Australia.
I guess she now already earn BIG $$
Bangkok Master
21-09-2006, 02:48 PM
Thanks for your advise bro, so are u trying to say i should seek readdress thru anti-vice,ica and my mp?i have no clue whether in being honest really helps as as i feel if she had observe the so-called *3 year banned period* her chance would be higher,now that she had already infiltrated the system by changing name and passport to come here.i wonder if the authorities would arrest her if she ever set foot here again.and i wouldnt want to risk getting her pregnant just for the sake of trying my luck to apply for her visit status.guess it is getting real hard to form a family necleus here,i really wonder how the hell am i ever going get here its been also 3 years she went back and i am dinking of registering at bkk and getting proper documentations to support my claim.
I think for your case, you can actually get register in Bkk and let her renew her visa for a period of time first. Until a longer period then you can apply for a dependant pass for her. Because this is the time when she will have to fill up the declaration form where there's a column on whethere there's a name change or whatever. So before submitting the application, you will have to seek mp's help to write a letter to support the claim which it will have a higher chance of appealing for the pass.
Bangkok Master
21-09-2006, 02:54 PM
Hi,can i Just check with u whats your defination of "new identity"? even if she changed her outlook passport and name i dink chances of detection thru biometric prints is very high that was how her frenz was caught at woodlands custom.initially she managed to clear the airport checks but got into trouble when she was returning from a shopping trip at jb.the court charged for under illegal immigrant act for false declaration of identity, floating the repatriation ban period. she was sentenced of 3 counts and found guilty,subsequently throw to cwp for 3 yrs 2 yrs off remission. i remember my gf told me when they came here they need to go for thumb prints for their 10 fingers and when they left they were made to sign a document not to enter singapore or marry a singaporean guy.for watever rationale i am bewildered. so even if they managed to sneak in the element of danger of being discovered is still here. till now i haven't have ani idea in mind of how to wed her and bring here here. so i guess as what u said being honest is still the best policy.but again have u ever ask yourself how the hell are you going to bring up this topic when u go for interview with the ica or appeal to anti-vice? worse comes to the worse i dun even know how to bring this up to my mp.
If you're serious there's nothing shy about bringing up this matter when you see your mp and they will have a legal adviser which he will recommand or advise how you should pursue the matter. But for your case it's kinda of catchy as she was caught before so it much more difficult to apply for her to stay in Sg permanently.
Bangkok Master
21-09-2006, 02:58 PM
Thanks Bangkok Master. Your Information is very helpful.
In the beginning she use forge Passport to work as WL. Now in Thailand, she redo a new passport which is her original one.
Therefore, I told her to use the Original one to enter Sg. However, her forge Passport and her original passport have different names. Now I worried the ICA might caught her for this.
Any suggestion. Thanks
Actually alot of WLs uses fake passports to come to Sg because they believed it will help to cover up their identity. Anyway there's something it might help you, pm and I will let you know!
Malaysian Datuk
21-09-2006, 05:58 PM
the postings here a bit ambiguous. Simply can say
If want to renew green card, use actual name and passport. Don't try using fake name or another passport.
If ICA take fingerprints and before that already declared is WL before, will not be prosecuted.
SC I think if come clean and declare honestly chances of getting visa is practically nil....not only for those ex-GL WLs but also for those overstayers or FLs who got arrested before.....
siamcutey
21-09-2006, 06:18 PM
I think if come clean and declare honestly chances of getting visa is practically nil....not only for those ex-GL WLs but also for those overstayers or FLs who got arrested before.....
Getting short term visas for ex-GL WLs is not so much of an issue is everything is declared aboveboard. But humans are greedy. They want longer visas, PR applications and that is when problems start to arise.
As for overstayers and FLs, in the first place they never ORD from geylang mah.:confused:
SC
suteerak1099
22-09-2006, 01:59 PM
Where would you suggest? Somewhere baan nok in LOS ? :D where? its entirely up to individuals. there've been cases where couples settle in m'sia, some in other parts of the world, where both spouses put their pasts behind & start a whole new chapter in life together.
your citing of establishing a home in LOS, is not new. there've been such cases too. ;)
suteerak1099
22-09-2006, 02:06 PM
you are wrong. there are some successful cases. dont get too heated, m'sian datuk doesnt mean any melace in his contribution.
there've been cases that succeeded in the appeal, likewise, there've also been cases denied. whatever the reasons, remains a mystery to be tried & tested.
naemlo
22-09-2006, 02:11 PM
Why give yourself so much headache... :confused: Y can't a person think with brain n not feeling.
siamcutey
22-09-2006, 02:20 PM
dont get too heated, m'sian datuk doesnt mean any melace in his contribution.
there've been cases that succeeded in the appeal, likewise, there've also been cases denied. whatever the reasons, remains a mystery to be tried & tested.
It should be "malice"
:D
suteerak1099
22-09-2006, 02:34 PM
It should be "malice"
:D sorry.. typo error.. i meant "menace"
Malaysian Datuk
22-09-2006, 04:07 PM
you are wrong. there are some successful cases.I believe there are exceptions.....the 21 year old mother in the news recently is one such case...she just got another one week extension.....another case last time my friend caught a molester and got invited to tea by then President Wee in Istana.....his foreigner wife's PR rejected many times....tried all avenues also rejected....during tea he brought up the subject....3 days later got letter from then SIR say PR approved liao.... but then again both above cases are not ex-WL cases.....do share your story and give the bros some hope:)
vertikal
25-09-2006, 04:33 PM
Is it true that the WL must be either 22 or 24(forgot 22 or 24 already) and above then can work in the houses? Those who are below that age uses a fake passport to enter Singapore..
ansonlky
25-09-2006, 07:10 PM
If you're serious there's nothing shy about bringing up this matter when you see your mp and they will have a legal adviser which he will recommand or advise how you should pursue the matter. But for your case it's kinda of catchy as she was caught before so it much more difficult to apply for her to stay in Sg permanently.
Hey bro,thanks for your priceless advise i juz fly to see her after the military coup.life is damn hard its already 2 years i was leading this kind of shuttle life having to ferry between work and personal life.i guess i have to be truthful when i get the chance to speak to my mp coz i can only get an appt once every monday nite.i hope i do not have to go thru ani parent consent coz they are not aware of my personal life.my friend have advise me to seek approval from anti vice clearance b4 i go to ica but b4 all these i dink i have to get a supporting letter from my mp.my wish is very simple i oni hope she can get visa on monthly basis its fine, as long she can stay here at least for a few months every year.. but my main problem is the declaration part during the application coz its clearly illegal to not declare her status of name change or using another new passport when she previously *sneak here* for the past 3 times during the so call ban period. so i wun know if being honest helps or not will they back date her offenced and charged her when she come over for application. if i lie i also wun know if the ica will be able to trace it.so its very contradicting for me.sometimes i am really tempted to let her fly over for holiday as she already manage to clear the customs 3 times but after her friend got arrested and jailed recently i freaked out. is there really no other avenues should her ban cant be lifted and she cant stay with me at singapore.the last resort would really be settling down elsewhere with her. aniway realli grateful for your reply.thks
vmtech
27-09-2006, 09:17 PM
not sure about this just wanna clarify
after ORD have to wait 2 yrs or 3yrs b4 they can come back to sg on social visit?
im messedup on the time period...
hope someone clears my doubt
what are e exact tings i need to know and do to bring her over for social visit ?
she already 2 yrs nv step into SG and yes she was under 21 when she worked 2yrs back, so was a forged pp like many others.
what does she have to do now tt she has a legit international passport?
just wish to know all so can prepare..
siamcutey
28-09-2006, 11:28 AM
not sure about this just wanna clarify
after ORD have to wait 2 yrs or 3yrs b4 they can come back to sg on social visit?
im messedup on the time period...
hope someone clears my doubt
what are e exact tings i need to know and do to bring her over for social visit ?
she already 2 yrs nv step into SG and yes she was under 21 when she worked 2yrs back, so was a forged pp like many others.
what does she have to do now tt she has a legit international passport?
just wish to know all so can prepare..
Bro,
she used a forged passport to work in Cat40 because she is underaged. If now she uses a legit international passport, she can come to SG. But the moment if officer at immigration suspects her and ask to check her thumbprints, she will be arrested.
Not trying to scare you but its the truth. She already has 10 thumbprints taken and if she uses her real passport now, immigration will know she used a fake passport before.
SC
vmtech
28-09-2006, 11:37 PM
Bro,
she used a forged passport to work in Cat40 because she is underaged. If now she uses a legit international passport, she can come to SG. But the moment if officer at immigration suspects her and ask to check her thumbprints, she will be arrested.
Not trying to scare you but its the truth. She already has 10 thumbprints taken and if she uses her real passport now, immigration will know she used a fake passport before.
SC
but what about the declaration on whether shes been to SG b4, be honest ?
siamcutey
29-09-2006, 12:14 AM
but what about the declaration on whether shes been to SG b4, be honest ?
Bro, are you mad?
U mean with her legit passport now coming to SG, you want her to go and declare to ICA that previously she came and work Cat40 using a fake passport?
Prev, she used a fake passport to work in Cat40, that is already wrong. She had her thumbprints taken.
Now, if she used a legit passport to come SG for social visit is no problem, because ICA don't know she is Cat40 because they did not take her thumbprints and countercheck. But if in the event that she is suspected by any officers and told to take her thumbprints, she will be arrested.
It's just like overstayers.
1st time they use fake passport come in and overstayed, got caught and got thumbprints taken. Charge is only overstay.
2nd time they use their real name passport and come in SG. You think will they say they got caught before? If they say that, means previously they admitted they use fake passport because the prev passport and the current passport they using is diff name.
vmtech
29-09-2006, 12:42 AM
Bro, are you mad?
U mean with her legit passport now coming to SG, you want her to go and declare to ICA that previously she came and work Cat40 using a fake passport?
Prev, she used a fake passport to work in Cat40, that is already wrong. She had her thumbprints taken.
Now, if she used a legit passport to come SG for social visit is no problem, because ICA don't know she is Cat40 because they did not take her thumbprints and countercheck. But if in the event that she is suspected by any officers and told to take her thumbprints, she will be arrested.
It's just like overstayers.
1st time they use fake passport come in and overstayed, got caught and got thumbprints taken. Charge is only overstay.
2nd time they use their real name passport and come in SG. You think will they say they got caught before? If they say that, means previously they admitted they use fake passport because the prev passport and the current passport they using is diff name.
sorry bro, i think i put my msg across wrongly.
i meant to ask, if she was asked if she ever been to Singapore previously, should she be saying yes or no? since she'll be using a new legit pp tt has no records of her SG stamp?
siamcutey
29-09-2006, 12:54 AM
sorry bro, i think i put my msg across wrongly.
i meant to ask, if she was asked if she ever been to Singapore previously, should she be saying yes or no? since she'll be using a new legit pp tt has no records of her SG stamp?
The problem is if she was asked if she ever been to SG previously and she answered
1) NO
and immigration take her thumbprints realised she is Cat40 before and used a different passport to work in SG previously. She can be caught.
2) YES
and immigration take her thumbprints realised she is Cat40 before and used a different passport to work in SG previously.
The issue here is not because she cannot come but because of the fact that she used a fake passport to work in cat40 before.
however if she used back the same old passport( the one that she used to work in cat40) to come back on social visit (since she has not been back for 2 years), I don't see why they can arrest her since she has never used 2 different passports. If immigration asked her, she has to admit she has been here on Cat40 before.
Hope u catch what I am trying to say here.
SC
Malaysian Datuk
29-09-2006, 08:37 PM
but what about the declaration on whether shes been to SG b4, be honest ?
Honesty is not the best policy in this case....
vmtech
29-09-2006, 09:25 PM
crikey. now her fake PP is already gone and lost. -_-
a friend of hers, same situation, age actually went to SG to visit her bf just few months after ORD. she managed to make it thou.. now another qn
NORMALLY what is the time period WLs have to stay away from SG b4 they can come back for social visit?????
Malaysian Datuk
29-09-2006, 09:31 PM
crikey. now her fake PP is already gone and lost. -_-
a friend of hers, same situation, age actually went to SG to visit her bf just few months after ORD. she managed to make it thou.. now another qn
NORMALLY what is the time period WLs have to stay away from SG b4 they can come back for social visit?????
AFAIK they would have been told by AV during the debrief when they ROD....last time was supposed to be forever then later came to know of some 3/5 years cases.....
The_Unrepentant
29-09-2006, 10:26 PM
but what about the declaration on whether shes been to SG b4, be honest ?
u will be the next washington when nathan come down.:D
siamcutey
29-09-2006, 11:54 PM
crikey. now her fake PP is already gone and lost. -_-
a friend of hers, same situation, age actually went to SG to visit her bf just few months after ORD. she managed to make it thou.. now another qn
NORMALLY what is the time period WLs have to stay away from SG b4 they can come back for social visit?????
There is a reason why when filling in the embarkation card, there is a section where it states
"Have you ever used a passport with different name to enter Singapore?"
Some people may have legally changed their names, thats why they have this section for people to fill up. But in this case that we are seeing now, it could turn against them because by ticking NO, and in the event get caught, it is an offence in itself to give false declaration.
Unless she can make another passport with her old name that she used to come to SG to work in Cat40, I don't think its wise for her to use her legit passport to come in SG again.
Your gf's fren situation is because she is lucky and no one check. But in the event if something happen, not even you can save her out.
So think carefully every move before making a decision.
SC
vmtech
01-10-2006, 11:11 AM
AFAIK they would have been told by AV during the debrief when they ROD....last time was supposed to be forever then later came to know of some 3/5 years cases.....
that's what i was concerned to find out...
3 yrs or 5yrs.. a big differeance ...
suteerak1099
02-10-2006, 03:49 PM
Is it true that the WL must be either 22 or 24(forgot 22 or 24 already) and above then can work in the houses? Those who are below that age uses a fake passport to enter Singapore.. there was a time when the minimum age cap was 21... but later raised to 22. no difference what age cap they set to be, even if they raised the limit to 25 or more... we'll never know who amongst them hold a genuine/falsified passport.
suteerak1099
02-10-2006, 03:58 PM
not sure about this just wanna clarify
after ORD have to wait 2 yrs or 3yrs b4 they can come back to sg on social visit?
im messedup on the time period...
hope someone clears my doubt
what are e exact tings i need to know and do to bring her over for social visit ?
she already 2 yrs nv step into SG and yes she was under 21 when she worked 2yrs back, so was a forged pp like many others.
what does she have to do now tt she has a legit international passport?
just wish to know all so can prepare.. time limit on return entry to sg is ambiguous. i knew of a few cases where the gals returned on social visitation as early as 6mths after ORD. so its perhaps all down to "luck" or the mood of the immigrations officer.
suteerak1099
02-10-2006, 04:11 PM
crikey. now her fake PP is already gone and lost. -_-
a friend of hers, same situation, age actually went to SG to visit her bf just few months after ORD. she managed to make it thou.. now another qn
NORMALLY what is the time period WLs have to stay away from SG b4 they can come back for social visit????? i think u're worrying over too many issues that will never have definate answers. in the 1st place, the immigrations officers dont normally do 100% screening of each & every thai gal. at the very least, they'd only seive out the suspicious ones when they question about their previous visits to sg.
some officers dont bother asking, they'd approve the entry, but shorten her intended period of visit. and its as simple as that. and they'd probably issue stern verbal warning "don't try to extend visitation, just be good & go back as advised".
you can also try writting to ICA, stating that you're her sponsor/guarantor for duration of visit. i believe there's some level of success for such applications, bcos u're required to put cash for deposit of assurance- money talks. :p
siamcutey
02-10-2006, 04:48 PM
i think u're worrying over too many issues that will never have definate answers. in the 1st place, the immigrations officers dont normally do 100% screening of each & every thai gal. at the very least, they'd only seive out the suspicious ones when they question about their previous visits to sg.
some officers dont bother asking, they'd approve the entry, but shorten her intended period of visit. and its as simple as that. and they'd probably issue stern verbal warning "don't try to extend visitation, just be good & go back as advised".
you can also try writting to ICA, stating that you're her sponsor/guarantor for duration of visit. i believe there's some level of success for such applications, bcos u're required to put cash for deposit of assurance- money talks. :p
KNN, Don't anyhow advise people. then what about those girls that get caught at immigrations and thrown to jail? They got the word Cat40 or WL on their face is it? If not how they get caught? It's random.
Yeah, some immigration officers don't ask. The word here is 'some'. If kenna that one officer who ask, hiong gan liao.
U can say here immigration don't do 100%, but if the 1% happens on his girl and his girl kenna thrown to jail, you want to eat black bean rice on her behalf is it.
ANd please don't talk cock that money talks. If money talks, can tell me how much to allow immigration offenders to get PR.
SC
vmtech
02-10-2006, 06:47 PM
KNN, Don't anyhow advise people. then what about those girls that get caught at immigrations and thrown to jail? They got the word Cat40 or WL on their face is it? If not how they get caught? It's random.
Yeah, some immigration officers don't ask. The word here is 'some'. If kenna that one officer who ask, hiong gan liao.
U can say here immigration don't do 100%, but if the 1% happens on his girl and his girl kenna thrown to jail, you want to eat black bean rice on her behalf is it.
ANd please don't talk cock that money talks. If money talks, can tell me how much to allow immigration offenders to get PR.
SC
whoa cool it SC, thanks for all the advise here. i understand your concern for me and my girl. i wouldnt do anithing untill i find someting concrete. and in SG, money doesnt talk tt much :)
thanks SC!
jdi813
02-10-2006, 09:06 PM
wah bro ... u guys r still in contact ... beh pai leh
naemlo
02-10-2006, 11:53 PM
U can say here immigration don't do 100%, but if the 1% happens on his girl and his girl kenna thrown to jail, you want to eat black bean rice on her behalf is it.
heheheh a lot of so called bf of WL, when his "gf" kena caught, they also lan lan or diam diam....
ANd please don't talk cock that money talks. If money talks, can tell me how much to allow immigration offenders to get PR.
SC
Ask him to buy the post in ministry of foreigner affair then everything ok liao...:D
PS: Hmmm why choose a WL as gf?? I'm still wondering abt this question...
naemlo
02-10-2006, 11:55 PM
whoa cool it SC, thanks for all the advise here. i understand your concern for me and my girl. i wouldnt do anithing untill i find someting concrete. and in SG, money doesnt talk tt much :)
thanks SC!
Hmm I thought u into PRC??? :confused:
vmtech
03-10-2006, 12:19 AM
Hmm I thought u into PRC??? :confused:
me? lol u sure u got the right guy ? u shud be refering to striker.. not me.. i never had PRC..
vmtech
03-10-2006, 12:21 AM
wah bro ... u guys r still in contact ... beh pai leh
haha bro yea, long time no chat liao, how j00 doin?
naemlo
03-10-2006, 07:09 AM
me? lol u sure u got the right guy ? u shud be refering to striker.. not me.. i never had PRC..
Hmmm maybe... he disappear in the thin air liao. :D
mebirdie
03-10-2006, 08:16 AM
Hmmm maybe... he disappear in the thin air liao. :D
I thought it happens same to you as well. :eek:
ansonlky
03-10-2006, 08:26 AM
KNN, Don't anyhow advise people. then what about those girls that get caught at immigrations and thrown to jail? They got the word Cat40 or WL on their face is it? If not how they get caught? It's random.
Yeah, some immigration officers don't ask. The word here is 'some'. If kenna that one officer who ask, hiong gan liao.
U can say here immigration don't do 100%, but if the 1% happens on his girl and his girl kenna thrown to jail, you want to eat black bean rice on her behalf is it.
ANd please don't talk cock that money talks. If money talks, can tell me how much to allow immigration offenders to get PR.
SC
Yoz bro u are right,my gal already went back for more than 2 years i am waiting for the so call 3 yr unofficial ban period to be over b4 i formally write an appeal letter to request for a social visit pass for her.she used to change her name and make a new passport too.managed to sneak in for 3 times undetected.however recently her friend who used the samne method was arrested at woodlands customs the ironic ting is at the airport she managed to smoke thru.so u can say if u really love your ger u cant even afford the 1 percent risk. watever form of declaration i still ding honesty is the best policy even tho in singapore its doesnt pay to be down to earth.the road is long but it will be a very tedious and long cycle before they can settle down.so i can only keep my fingers crossed.SC can i ask,does finding your mp really helps?its a sensitive issue i wonder if they will make a mockery out of u..
vmtech
03-10-2006, 11:47 AM
Hmmm maybe... he disappear in the thin air liao. :D
yeah, hp gone , he also nv contact liao, duno go where now.
sherm
03-10-2006, 11:50 AM
Hi, SC.
After reading so much of the post, I now know is difficult to bring your WL back to Sg.
As for my case, Im not too sure whether is different from the rest. therefore i need some of your advise.
My WL ORDed just 2 months ago. B4 she able to leave, she had to report to Anti Vice. This is what she describe me during the interview.
She was being ask how she got this forge passport, and her reply was don't know. The anti vice still insist to ask her to tell the true and even ask her how much she can get this. She did the same reply by saying dun know. Then soon anti vice told her she can come back to Singapore but she need a Singaporean to declare for her (How to declare I yet to know). She also didnt sign any form that she is unable to enter SG for next few yrs. This is wat I'm puzzled about. The Anti Vice know her forge passport but yet allow her to enter Sg.
So any comments. Thanks
sherm
03-10-2006, 11:51 AM
Hi, SC.
After reading so much of the post, I now know is difficult to bring your WL back to Sg.
As for my case, Im not too sure whether is different from the rest. therefore i need some of your advise.
My WL ORDed just 2 months ago. B4 she able to leave, she had to report to Anti Vice. This is what she describe me during the interview.
She was being ask how she got this forge passport, and her reply was don't know. The anti vice still insist to ask her to tell the true and even ask her how much she can get this. She did the same reply by saying dun know. Then soon anti vice told her she can come back to Singapore but she need a Singaporean to declare for her (How to declare I yet to know). She also didnt sign any form that she is unable to enter SG for next few yrs. This is wat I'm puzzled about. The Anti Vice know her forge passport but yet allow her to enter Sg.
So any comments. Thanks
sherm
03-10-2006, 11:55 AM
Hi, SC.
After reading so much of the post, I now know is difficult to bring your WL back to Sg.
As for my case, Im not too sure whether is different from the rest. therefore i need some of your advise.
My WL ORDed just 2 months ago. B4 she able to leave, she had to report to Anti Vice. This is what she describe me during the interview.
She was being ask how she got this forge passport, and her reply was don't know. The anti vice still insist to ask her to tell the true and even ask her how much she can get this. She did the same reply by saying dun know. Then soon anti vice told her she can come back to Singapore but she need a Singaporean to declare for her (How to declare I yet to know). She also didnt sign any form that she is unable to enter SG for next few yrs. This is wat I'm puzzled about. The Anti Vice know her forge passport but yet allow her to enter Sg.
So any comments. Thanks
siamcutey
03-10-2006, 01:29 PM
Yoz bro u are right,my gal already went back for more than 2 years i am waiting for the so call 3 yr unofficial ban period to be over b4 i formally write an appeal letter to request for a social visit pass for her.she used to change her name and make a new passport too.managed to sneak in for 3 times undetected.however recently her friend who used the samne method was arrested at woodlands customs the ironic ting is at the airport she managed to smoke thru.so u can say if u really love your ger u cant even afford the 1 percent risk. watever form of declaration i still ding honesty is the best policy even tho in singapore its doesnt pay to be down to earth.the road is long but it will be a very tedious and long cycle before they can settle down.so i can only keep my fingers crossed.SC can i ask,does finding your mp really helps?its a sensitive issue i wonder if they will make a mockery out of u..
Some people say 3 yrs unofficial ban, some say 1 yr, some say 2 yrs, best is next time anyone's tirak going to ORD, teach them to ask the AV officer, if want to come back to singapore for holiday, how long should they stay away from SG.
- The passport which she used to come SG 3 times and the changing of her name must not be declared or else she can be charged.
If she wants, she can change her name and then use the new name to apply for a social visit pass. But u must declare that she has come to SG to work as Cat40 if asked. In many cases, the girls were caught because they fake identification documents.
I still believe honesty in self declaration is the best solution. Because by not doing this, think of everytime pass by immigration, how scary if kenna. Machiam like carrying drugs.
First of all, u must understand all the proper channels to go through. U should first go through ICA first. And if they always reject your applications, then go to your MP.
As for MP whether helps or not, I don't know. But also must see who is your MP. If your MP is Chiam ST or Low TK, seriously I don't see a good chance. :o
SC
siamcutey
03-10-2006, 01:40 PM
Hi, SC.
After reading so much of the post, I now know is difficult to bring your WL back to Sg.
As for my case, Im not too sure whether is different from the rest. therefore i need some of your advise.
My WL ORDed just 2 months ago. B4 she able to leave, she had to report to Anti Vice. This is what she describe me during the interview.
She was being ask how she got this forge passport, and her reply was don't know. The anti vice still insist to ask her to tell the true and even ask her how much she can get this. She did the same reply by saying dun know. Then soon anti vice told her she can come back to Singapore but she need a Singaporean to declare for her (How to declare I yet to know). She also didnt sign any form that she is unable to enter SG for next few yrs. This is wat I'm puzzled about. The Anti Vice know her forge passport but yet allow her to enter Sg.
So any comments. Thanks
This WL was "forced ORDed" because of passport issues is it? That means to say AV sent her back before she finish her tour of duty in SG?
If that AV officer told her she can come back to SG and need a Singaporean to declare for her, get her to use her real passport and bring her identity card as well. Then u get her to write your name, address, phone number in the column of her visiting friends. In case anything happens, at least ICA know who to contact. If ICA ask her questions, just tell her to answer truthfully. When ICA ask questions, actually they are not interested in your answers. Everyday got thousands walk past their counters. They only want to find out whether you are lying. Because once you tell a lie, they just charge you with an offence.
And must remember ICA or AV told her can come SG? Both ICA and AV are diff depts. AV say so, doesn't mean ICA say so. AV say can come but ICA is the one she will go through when coming SG.
I believe co-operation in such matters will make the trip smoother.
SC
sherm
03-10-2006, 01:53 PM
This WL was "forced ORDed" because of passport issues is it? That means to say AV sent her back before she finish her tour of duty in SG?
If that AV officer told her she can come back to SG and need a Singaporean to declare for her, get her to use her real passport and bring her identity card as well. Then u get her to write your name, address, phone number in the column of her visiting friends. In case anything happens, at least ICA know who to contact. If ICA ask her questions, just tell her to answer truthfully. When ICA ask questions, actually they are not interested in your answers. Everyday got thousands walk past their counters. They only want to find out whether you are lying. Because once you tell a lie, they just charge you with an offence.
And must remember ICA or AV told her can come SG? Both ICA and AV are diff depts. AV say so, doesn't mean ICA say so. AV say can come but ICA is the one she will go through when coming SG.
I believe co-operation in such matters will make the trip smoother.
SC
Thanks SC.
You are right... it was the AV who forced her out of job becos of passport issue.
As you mention writing my name and phone number.. is it on the declaration form when they were issued during the flight?
Confirm it was the AV that told her she allow to come to SG. So what can I do to make sure that the information was pass down to the ICA?
Thanks for your help.
siamcutey
03-10-2006, 02:01 PM
Thanks SC.
You are right... it was the AV who forced her out of job becos of passport issue.
As you mention writing my name and phone number.. is it on the declaration form when they were issued during the flight?
Confirm it was the AV that told her she allow to come to SG. So what can I do to make sure that the information was pass down to the ICA?
Thanks for your help.
U can tell her to give it a try since AV says she can come back. On the white card, she just fill in accordingly.
The part where it says has she come in to SG under another name and passport, she has to tick 'yes'. The immigration officer will ask her about this upon seeing the 'tick'. Just tell her to relate to the immigration officer the truth what AV told her. Then u tell her to write ur name, contact no on a separate pc of paper clip to the passport.
Because in such cases, either it works or it don't work at all. Because she came in SG to work on fake documents. But the chances are good in the sense that self declaration is made and no intentions to withheld any information.
ICA is run by humans and as humans, they still have a certain form of compassion in them.
If your girl is out to cheat them, she would not have declared everything too.
SC
sherm
03-10-2006, 02:37 PM
U can tell her to give it a try since AV says she can come back. On the white card, she just fill in accordingly.
The part where it says has she come in to SG under another name and passport, she has to tick 'yes'. The immigration officer will ask her about this upon seeing the 'tick'. Just tell her to relate to the immigration officer the truth what AV told her. Then u tell her to write ur name, contact no on a separate pc of paper clip to the passport.
Because in such cases, either it works or it don't work at all. Because she came in SG to work on fake documents. But the chances are good in the sense that self declaration is made and no intentions to withheld any information.
ICA is run by humans and as humans, they still have a certain form of compassion in them.
If your girl is out to cheat them, she would not have declared everything too.
SC
Thanks for your advise.
In fact.. during the interview with the Anti Vice.. she didn't sign any documents.
can she still work in singapore? I mean not as WL.. normal job
Once again Thanks. You've been a great help.
siamcutey
03-10-2006, 02:40 PM
Thanks for your advise.
In fact.. during the interview with the Anti Vice.. she didn't sign any documents.
can she still work in singapore? I mean not as WL.. normal job
Once again Thanks. You've been a great help.
During her departure she did not sign anything, but during her arrival, what did she signed?
BTW, dun think she can hold another work permit in SG, regardless of whether its a decent normal job or WL.
SC
sherm
04-10-2006, 12:14 AM
During her departure she did not sign anything, but during her arrival, what did she signed?
BTW, dun think she can hold another work permit in SG, regardless of whether its a decent normal job or WL.
SC
She only did sign a document claiming that she can't married to Singaporean. That's all. Erm.. I also think it will be difficult for her to find a job here. But I told her to give a try.
Anyway she soon will be coming and I told her the way as u told me. What if the officer ask her how and why she change her name?
Thanks SC
siamcutey
04-10-2006, 12:44 AM
She only did sign a document claiming that she can't married to Singaporean. That's all. Erm.. I also think it will be difficult for her to find a job here. But I told her to give a try.
Anyway she soon will be coming and I told her the way as u told me. What if the officer ask her how and why she change her name?
Thanks SC
To get a job in SG, she either need to have a work permit or be a PR, which I think is very very very very very hard.
If your girl already declared to officer she change her name , why would the officer ask her?
SC
ansonlky
04-10-2006, 08:20 AM
Some people say 3 yrs unofficial ban, some say 1 yr, some say 2 yrs, best is next time anyone's tirak going to ORD, teach them to ask the AV officer, if want to come back to singapore for holiday, how long should they stay away from SG.
- The passport which she used to come SG 3 times and the changing of her name must not be declared or else she can be charged.
If she wants, she can change her name and then use the new name to apply for a social visit pass. But u must declare that she has come to SG to work as Cat40 if asked. In many cases, the girls were caught because they fake identification documents.
I still believe honesty in self declaration is the best solution. Because by not doing this, think of everytime pass by immigration, how scary if kenna. Machiam like carrying drugs.
First of all, u must understand all the proper channels to go through. U should first go through ICA first. And if they always reject your applications, then go to your MP.
As for MP whether helps or not, I don't know. But also must see who is your MP. If your MP is Chiam ST or Low TK, seriously I don't see a good chance. :o
SC
SC bro thanks a lot for your priceless advice u are realli our saviour. but my question is when she had gone back 2 years ago, she decided to change her name to forget the past with no intent to make a new passport under a new name to sneak in she was also quite unclear about the interview she was called to repatritation department at ICA,she told me she was make to sign a declaration not to marry a singaporean and if she was to visit singapore she need to write in to request.so after a few months she went back, i ask her to come over and it happens that she was very lucky she managed to came in 3 times undetected.my point now is u told me not to declare this fact if i was ever to raise this appeal or issue to ICA or MP.but would they be able to trace her entry and records to singapore before even if i was to lie and ask her not to declare?lastly i am afraid that even if they approve her request to vist here when she cross the custom they might change their mind and nap her for past offence in sneaking in for the previous 3 times.and i am considering to register in bkk first and carry some supporting document to present to the authorities.whatever it is i still feel its very case to case basis and there is no standard guideline to this problem.some ppl managed to settle down some juz get thrown to jail.its a sad sight.worst comes to worst i'll juz have to settle down elsewhere wif her,no need to go for reservist or vote for the fucking government here.its gonna be a long road to happiness.life sucks.thaNKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT SIAMCUTEY...
Rof|maoxz
04-10-2006, 11:06 AM
First of all, u must understand all the proper channels to go through. U should first go through ICA first. And if they always reject your applications, then go to your MP.
As for MP whether helps or not, I don't know. But also must see who is your MP. If your MP is Chiam ST or Low TK, seriously I don't see a good chance. :o
SC
To discussed on bro ansonlky's case, regardless of which MP [Either Crown Prince, Old Lee or Mr Chiam] It doesn't necessarily add weight to tha appeal, ICA have the final say. Anyway, violating immigration act chapter 133, Section 8 (3) of prohibited immigrants is a no joke matter. The chances of return are remote.
suteerak1099
04-10-2006, 12:35 PM
KNN, Don't anyhow advise people. then what about those girls that get caught at immigrations and thrown to jail? They got the word Cat40 or WL on their face is it? If not how they get caught? It's random.
Yeah, some immigration officers don't ask. The word here is 'some'. If kenna that one officer who ask, hiong gan liao.
U can say here immigration don't do 100%, but if the 1% happens on his girl and his girl kenna thrown to jail, you want to eat black bean rice on her behalf is it.
ANd please don't talk cock that money talks. If money talks, can tell me how much to allow immigration offenders to get PR.
SC SC, dont rebut for the sake of rebuting! immigrations/customs officers not being 100% is literally implying that its random. those of which that try coming in with fake documents, when discovered will naturally be apprehended & dealt accordingly, same thing applies for overstayers.
its quite idiot-proof to understand the simple logic that, immigration offenders already disqualify themselves for PR application. those refused entry from any country too, are denied the chance for social visits for some cases.
there's also too many red tapes to deter ex-yellowcard holders to even try for PR here - though some managed to do so (method unknown)
those who offer to be guarantor, are succeptible to deposits retained and/or additional fine, imprisonment, or both, when implicated. your senseless rebutal to me is; talking cock.
siamcutey
04-10-2006, 02:46 PM
SC, dont rebut for the sake of rebuting! immigrations/customs officers not being 100% is literally implying that its random. those of which that try coming in with fake documents, when discovered will naturally be apprehended & dealt accordingly, same thing applies for overstayers.
its quite idiot-proof to understand the simple logic that, immigration offenders already disqualify themselves for PR application. those refused entry from any country too, are denied the chance for social visits for some cases.
there's also too many red tapes to deter ex-yellowcard holders to even try for PR here - though some managed to do so (method unknown)
those who offer to be guarantor, are succeptible to deposits retained and/or additional fine, imprisonment, or both, when implicated. your senseless rebutal to me is; talking cock.
So did you read carefully what he wrote initially?
He wrote that his girl wants to come SG on real documents but previously her documents that were used for Cat40 work was faked.
So if now she come SG and say her passport is real, and thus it will prove her prev passport is fake lah. Then u still dare to tell people to come in like dat and hiong.
Talk is cheap, u talk here no need any responsibility but the person who listens to what you advised might get arrested and jailed. :mad:
SC
ansonlky
04-10-2006, 04:46 PM
So did you read carefully what he wrote initially?
He wrote that his girl wants to come SG on real documents but previously her documents that were used for Cat40 work was faked.
So if now she come SG and say her passport is real, and thus it will prove her prev passport is fake lah. Then u still dare to tell people to come in like dat and hiong.
Talk is cheap, u talk here no need any responsibility but the person who listens to what you advised might get arrested and jailed. :mad:
SC
i think u 2 meant well, whatever it is we will never be in their shoes. Bro SC meant well and interpret it in a more realistic way as in what happens if the ger is caught. i have seen cases really damn bizzare and the ger can go undected many times but there are incidents its really one off affair,imagine my gf's friend can go thru undetected by air customs at changi several times but of all places why will she get arrested after her shopping trip wif her bf at woodlands custom. it all boils down to the ICA ppl if they *song* they let u go if not they will send them to jail.we cant change ppl mindset. singaporeans tends to be more against thai woman than other nationality this is something we got to admit.rules are mend to be broken or amended so its all up to the higher deciding body whether to be flexible and more lenient on them so that ppl like us will really get what we wan in life.its human to err.who would want to sell their body unless force by circumstances its the past look forward no pt brooding over it,never give up......
siamcutey
04-10-2006, 06:00 PM
i think u 2 meant well, whatever it is we will never be in their shoes. Bro SC meant well and interpret it in a more realistic way as in what happens if the ger is caught. i have seen cases really damn bizzare and the ger can go undected many times but there are incidents its really one off affair,imagine my gf's friend can go thru undetected by air customs at changi several times but of all places why will she get arrested after her shopping trip wif her bf at woodlands custom. it all boils down to the ICA ppl if they *song* they let u go if not they will send them to jail.we cant change ppl mindset. singaporeans tends to be more against thai woman than other nationality this is something we got to admit.rules are mend to be broken or amended so its all up to the higher deciding body whether to be flexible and more lenient on them so that ppl like us will really get what we wan in life.its human to err.who would want to sell their body unless force by circumstances its the past look forward no pt brooding over it,never give up......
Example:
Girl's Real Name is Ms ABC
Come to Sg and work Cat40 uses fake name Ms XYZ
When she left Sg, the ICA n AV depts have only her records as Ms XYZ and also her thumbprints.
On and off she come back SG and uses another passport with the name Ms JKL. If ICA don't check her thumbprints, they will never know she has come to SG and work as Cat40. But if they discovered that she is, they would realised that she is using another passport to come to SG. In their records with her thumbprints, its stated that she is Ms XYZ. So the same person is having 2 different passports and 2 identities.
If lets say Ms ABC decides to use her real name and real passport to come to SG, same thing will happen. AV and ICA only have her records as Ms XYZ but her thumbprints never change. So if unluckily she gets checked by ICA for thumbprints, ICA don't care the current passport is real or not. Because the girl never declare. False declaration at immigrations is a SERIOUS OFFENCE.
So if Ms ABC comes to SG with her real passport named Ms ABC, why should she tell the ICA that she has come to SG the past 3 times using another passport named as Ms JKL showing that she has came in undetected?
To keep it simply, ICA officers are also human like u and me. They have rules to follow, but their rules are very tough on people who make false declarations.
If declare at SG immigrations and they don't allow her entry, at most they tell her to take the next flight home, but to lie, cheat or try to con them, its digging own grave.
*Or the best solution will be the boyfriend go to Thailand first and come back to Singapore with her. So in case there is any part that needs communication, there is a presence of all parties and the boyfriend can help her to explain and make declarations. Upon self-declaration, If ICA asked why she changed her name, can just say that after going back changed the name for luck purposes or whatever reasons can think of. But the reason of self-declaration is to tell ICA, that both you and the girl have no intention to cheat/lie or do any funny stuff in Singapore.
Here, we are only talking about coming back to SG on social visit. Not on the topic of Permanent Residency.
Rules are black and white. But the rules are not so steadfast in the sense that there is still some areas left for compassionate reasons if one does not try to snake their way through.
SC
ansonlky
04-10-2006, 06:29 PM
Example:
Girl's Real Name is Ms ABC
Come to Sg and work Cat40 uses fake name Ms XYZ
When she left Sg, the ICA n AV depts have only her records as Ms XYZ and also her thumbprints.
On and off she come back SG and uses another passport with the name Ms JKL. If ICA don't check her thumbprints, they will never know she has come to SG and work as Cat40. But if they discovered that she is, they would realised that she is using another passport to come to SG. In their records with her thumbprints, its stated that she is Ms XYZ. So the same person is having 2 different passports and 2 identities.
If lets say Ms ABC decides to use her real name and real passport to come to SG, same thing will happen. AV and ICA only have her records as Ms XYZ but her thumbprints never change. So if unluckily she gets checked by ICA for thumbprints, ICA don't care the current passport is real or not. Because the girl never declare. False declaration at immigrations is a SERIOUS OFFENCE.
So if Ms ABC comes to SG with her real passport named Ms ABC, why should she tell the ICA that she has come to SG the past 3 times using another passport named as Ms JKL showing that she has came in undetected?
To keep it simply, ICA officers are also human like u and me. They have rules to follow, but their rules are very tough on people who make false declarations.
If declare at SG immigrations and they don't allow her entry, at most they tell her to take the next flight home, but to lie, cheat or try to con them, its digging own grave.
*Or the best solution will be the boyfriend go to Thailand first and come back to Singapore with her. So in case there is any part that needs communication, there is a presence of all parties and the boyfriend can help her to explain and make declarations. Upon self-declaration, If ICA asked why she changed her name, can just say that after going back changed the name for luck purposes or whatever reasons can think of. But the reason of self-declaration is to tell ICA, that both you and the girl have no intention to cheat/lie or do any funny stuff in Singapore.
Here, we are only talking about coming back to SG on social visit. Not on the topic of Permanent Residency.
Rules are black and white. But the rules are not so steadfast in the sense that there is still some areas left for compassionate reasons if one does not try to snake their way through.
SC
thanks bro for elaborating for me the scenario, my case was pretty clear cut. when she came to work here about 3 years ago, she used her real name in her original passport as she din go thru any agent or under any other house control,happens that at one of the routine raids she was rounded up by anti vice. before she was to be deported back the officers ask her a funny question on whether she wanted to carry on working here if so she would be send to those whorehouse on *contractual basis* and under *police care*. her terms was supposed to be 2 years but she left prematurely.after she went back her home town she changed her name and make a new passport coz during the morning she was to be repariated back she had to go ica to sign various documents and again mould her prints to the system.from what she tell me the officials told her strictly not to marry singaporeans and she was not allow to come in for undisclosed period for whatever reason she got to write in for permission to visit here.they also impounded her passport and chop all her pages so she cant use the original one.so after 6 mths she came to visit me under a new name and new passport but her ic number is still the same.my question is now how did she managed to get in since she was blacklisted and on the declaration form she never state honestly she was carring a diff name. so my dilemma now is while i am going to appeal and apply for her status.i dun know if i should be honest to tell the ica she had indeed came 3 times b4 in spite of the ban(am i making a mockery out of their system,seems to have loopholes) or should i just act blur and let them dig out themselves and in events if i am so fortunate to get the approval i am afraid they will backdate and charge her in future for false declaration for previous visits....
siamcutey
04-10-2006, 06:49 PM
thanks bro for elaborating for me the scenario, my case was pretty clear cut. when she came to work here about 3 years ago, she used her real name in her original passport as she din go thru any agent or under any other house control,happens that at one of the routine raids she was rounded up by anti vice. before she was to be deported back the officers ask her a funny question on whether she wanted to carry on working here if so she would be send to those whorehouse on *contractual basis* and under *police care*. her terms was supposed to be 2 years but she left prematurely.after she went back her home town she changed her name and make a new passport coz during the morning she was to be repariated back she had to go ica to sign various documents and again mould her prints to the system.from what she tell me the officials told her strictly not to marry singaporeans and she was not allow to come in for undisclosed period for whatever reason she got to write in for permission to visit here.they also impounded her passport and chop all her pages so she cant use the original one.so after 6 mths she came to visit me under a new name and new passport but her ic number is still the same.my question is now how did she managed to get in since she was blacklisted and on the declaration form she never state honestly she was carring a diff name. so my dilemma now is while i am going to appeal and apply for her status.i dun know if i should be honest to tell the ica she had indeed came 3 times b4 in spite of the ban(am i making a mockery out of their system,seems to have loopholes) or should i just act blur and let them dig out themselves and in events if i am so fortunate to get the approval i am afraid they will backdate and charge her in future for false declaration for previous visits....
So u are saying she was an FL, got caught, and then became Cat40 for a short while before going back.
The reason you are asking now is because you are also afraid that one day if her luck runs out, she will be caught for false declaration.
So now, you have to ask your girl whether is her name changed officially. If her name is changed officially, get her old name, new name and her IC no, go down ICA building and asked an officer regarding this issue. Try to say that you want to do everything the legal way. Just tell the officer you only want her to come Sg on Social visit pass. Relate the incident to the Officer and try to be a bit more pitiful and sincere.
Remember to get the Officer's name and contact no too. (At least if your girl next time come in SG, can tell the immigration that you have spoken to this officer before)
See what the ICA officer tells you. Normally if they don't allow, they will tell you a straight NO but your girl will not try her luck and will not be arrested too.
If it is a NO, then you try to go for appeals and work ur way 1 step at a time. No point think so far when we wouldn't know the conclusion. This solution is the best solution I can think for you rather than asking you and her to try your luck in trying to go past Immigrations with another identity. Its a very serious offence to do that and can be jailed.
But if you enquire now and declare for her, at most she cannot enter Singapore and no chance for her to be arrested and jailed. Either way you might lose, but you choose the one with lesser risks.
SC
vmtech
04-10-2006, 07:21 PM
bro so for my case, what would be ur suggestion be to do next? i'm just plannig ahead as she said she want to wait 3 yrs b4 stepping into SG for the 1st time since she orded 2yrs ago.
she already has her int pp and just to recap:
* previously she came sg as CAT40 with thai pp (fake) as she is Shan.
* she has her int pp, her thai pp and her int pp is diff name.
what should i do on her part (as in what shud i ask her for more info) and what can i do on SG side to clarify or enquire.
i'm planning to do this step by step.. no rush @ all.
siamcutey
04-10-2006, 07:55 PM
bro so for my case, what would be ur suggestion be to do next? i'm just plannig ahead as she said she want to wait 3 yrs b4 stepping into SG for the 1st time since she orded 2yrs ago.
she already has her int pp and just to recap:
* previously she came sg as CAT40 with thai pp (fake) as she is Shan.
* she has her int pp, her thai pp and her int pp is diff name.
what should i do on her part (as in what shud i ask her for more info) and what can i do on SG side to clarify or enquire.
i'm planning to do this step by step.. no rush @ all.
My suggestion is
If she is planning to come SG, she should just use her old thai pp. Because by using her int pp, it will show her using 2 passports if they happened to check her thumbprints.
If she come to SG with her old thai pp, ICA will only know she is Cat40 before. ICA will not know her passport is fake. Because she never enter using another identity or passport. U do not need to tell ICA she is Shan or has Int pp.
Wat you can do is maybe when she come down to SG on her first time since her last departure is to come down with her to SG together.
Maybe what you can do is to enquire from ICA that in your girl's instance, ask them will it be possible for your girl to come down to SG for a social visit using her old thai passport. Ask them whether she can come down after 2 years. And of course you do not need to mention she is Shan or has a int pp.
SC
ansonlky
05-10-2006, 01:31 AM
So u are saying she was an FL, got caught, and then became Cat40 for a short while before going back.
The reason you are asking now is because you are also afraid that one day if her luck runs out, she will be caught for false declaration.
So now, you have to ask your girl whether is her name changed officially. If her name is changed officially, get her old name, new name and her IC no, go down ICA building and asked an officer regarding this issue. Try to say that you want to do everything the legal way. Just tell the officer you only want her to come Sg on Social visit pass. Relate the incident to the Officer and try to be a bit more pitiful and sincere.
Remember to get the Officer's name and contact no too. (At least if your girl next time come in SG, can tell the immigration that you have spoken to this officer before)
See what the ICA officer tells you. Normally if they don't allow, they will tell you a straight NO but your girl will not try her luck and will not be arrested too.
If it is a NO, then you try to go for appeals and work ur way 1 step at a time. No point think so far when we wouldn't know the conclusion. This solution is the best solution I can think for you rather than asking you and her to try your luck in trying to go past Immigrations with another identity. Its a very serious offence to do that and can be jailed.
But if you enquire now and declare for her, at most she cannot enter Singapore and no chance for her to be arrested and jailed. Either way you might lose, but you choose the one with lesser risks.
SC
bro,but if i approach the ICA,how should i bring it up,if i tell them she use a diff name to come in with a new passport but never declare its like digging my own grave.no point acting the ppl there are inhuman WAn,they have no qualms in throwing them to jail so there is no room for compassion .sorry for bothering u but u seems experienced have u encounter the same problem?i heard i must get clearance from anti vice first b4 i can actuali apply for her on social visit..there are so many versions alaszz sometimes i realli hope to settle elsewhere wif her,never heard of such stoopid laws b4 in other countries
vmtech
05-10-2006, 02:14 AM
My suggestion is
If she is planning to come SG, she should just use her old thai pp. Because by using her int pp, it will show her using 2 passports if they happened to check her thumbprints.
If she come to SG with her old thai pp, ICA will only know she is Cat40 before. ICA will not know her passport is fake. Because she never enter using another identity or passport. U do not need to tell ICA she is Shan or has Int pp.
Wat you can do is maybe when she come down to SG on her first time since her last departure is to come down with her to SG together.
Maybe what you can do is to enquire from ICA that in your girl's instance, ask them will it be possible for your girl to come down to SG for a social visit using her old thai passport. Ask them whether she can come down after 2 years. And of course you do not need to mention she is Shan or has a int pp.
SC
opps.. forgot to mention she already done away with the thai pp..
siamcutey
05-10-2006, 02:32 AM
bro,but if i approach the ICA,how should i bring it up,if i tell them she use a diff name to come in with a new passport but never declare its like digging my own grave.no point acting the ppl there are inhuman WAn,they have no qualms in throwing them to jail so there is no room for compassion .sorry for bothering u but u seems experienced have u encounter the same problem?i heard i must get clearance from anti vice first b4 i can actuali apply for her on social visit..there are so many versions alaszz sometimes i realli hope to settle elsewhere wif her,never heard of such stoopid laws b4 in other countries
Then u tell her to go and officially change her name one more time. So this time she got a new name, take her new name (the officially changed one), plus her old name( the one that she used for her Cat40), then you go and ask the ICA officer regarding this.
Of course, then must never mention that she has come in to SG for the past 3 times using another name.
So its a new name plus the old name and make an enquiry.
I had a friend who worked in ICA before (now quit liao). He did tell me cases like this is on a case to case basis. The rules are there and have to be there. But the reason there is appeals, write-ins shows that they do go on a case-by-case basis.
If u go ask Anti-Vice now, Anti-Vice will tell you go ask ICA. Social visit is given by ICA, so ask the ICA officer about it. Anti-Vice is there for vice purposes. While ICA is for immigration purposes.
The problem here is, if you don't ask ICA about it, you have to always hiong your girl in. Praying that she don't get thumbprint. However, if you ask ICA about this, I think you will feel more assured when your girl comes down to Sg.
Problems are meant to be solved. Not to run away from it, because running away from this problem, the problem still exists.
My rationale here and my best advice is "HONESTY is STILL THE BEST POLICY". You might not get rewarded but you will get penalised severely if you got caught.
SC
siamcutey
05-10-2006, 02:34 AM
opps.. forgot to mention she already done away with the thai pp..
Her passport is myanmese right?
SC
siamcutey
05-10-2006, 02:43 AM
no point acting the ppl there are inhuman WAn,they have no qualms in throwing them to jail so there is no room for compassion .sorry for bothering u but u seems experienced have u encounter the same problem?
Immigration issues are very sensitive issues. Not say the ppl are inhuman. They are working for the government. If they anyhow allow offenders to come in, they will lose their job.
Remember that ICA and AV never say that the girl FOREVER cannot step into SG.
The Cat40 girls always tell me that when they go back Thailand and next time want come in SG, they will change name and passport. I was thinking, ICA is not stupid and not kum lan. They have all 10 thumb prints.
No point thinking of stunts to smoke ICA because before we think of 1 move, they already seen all the patterns and anticipate few steps in front of others.
There is a saying, you can do whatever you want, but don't get caught.
Maybe if you talk to a nice and friendly officer from ICA, he may help you. Most of the people do not know the severity of such cases of fake passports and false declaration, that is why they don't go through proper channels. It's only because you heard your girl's friend got caught thats why she and you are both afraid.
If u ask the officer nicely and they refuse her entry, next time go Malaysia. You wouldn't get fined, jailed or marked.
SC
vmtech
05-10-2006, 09:02 AM
Her passport is myanmese right?
SC
hi SC yes "Union Of Myanmar"
real pp: myanmar
fako: thai (thrown away)
siamcutey
05-10-2006, 11:09 AM
hi SC yes "Union Of Myanmar"
real pp: myanmar
fako: thai (thrown away)
Wah ur case very complicated now, especially her thai pp already thrown away.
The only thing I can think of if she wants to come in SG is to hiong, cos no way can declare like the earlier case. (Though I don't advise)
One thing to make sure before you want to hiong is that her name used in the thai pp must be different from the myanmese pp.
From my knowledge, its not easy for myanmese to make a passport and its not many a times myanmese go overseas.
SC
ansonlky
05-10-2006, 02:53 PM
Then u tell her to go and officially change her name one more time. So this time she got a new name, take her new name (the officially changed one), plus her old name( the one that she used for her Cat40), then you go and ask the ICA officer regarding this.
Of course, then must never mention that she has come in to SG for the past 3 times using another name.
So its a new name plus the old name and make an enquiry.
I had a friend who worked in ICA before (now quit liao). He did tell me cases like this is on a case to case basis. The rules are there and have to be there. But the reason there is appeals, write-ins shows that they do go on a case-by-case basis.
If u go ask Anti-Vice now, Anti-Vice will tell you go ask ICA. Social visit is given by ICA, so ask the ICA officer about it. Anti-Vice is there for vice purposes. While ICA is for immigration purposes.
The problem here is, if you don't ask ICA about it, you have to always hiong your girl in. Praying that she don't get thumbprint. However, if you ask ICA about this, I think you will feel more assured when your girl comes down to Sg.
Problems are meant to be solved. Not to run away from it, because running away from this problem, the problem still exists.
My rationale here and my best advice is "HONESTY is STILL THE BEST POLICY". You might not get rewarded but you will get penalised severely if you got caught.
SC
bro i got u loud and clear,sorry for constantly pestering u. i am indeed very grateful for your help.watever it is i feel nuting is fool proof or auto guarantee. i seen cases of my frenz who apply and got approval from ica for thier tiraks to come in only to be waylaid at the customs for backdated offences.i really dun trust the authorities here at all once,it was a blessing in disguise one of her gd frenz was arrested if not i would still be smuggling her in, i dunno for the past 3 times was it realli what she proclaim as *black magic* helping her to screen thru or juz pure luck but for the time being i was risk her freedom by bring her in.it has been a year since she was here.lifes goes on....as for the name change part again i realli got to persuade her again to do it but she seems reluctant as its very troublesome on their side too.when u r free maybe we have a cup of coffe for lending your expertise...
ansonlky
05-10-2006, 02:59 PM
hi SC yes "Union Of Myanmar"
real pp: myanmar
fako: thai (thrown away)
bro i advise u to stay put for the time being coz she is consider a stateless person in thailand wif juz a certificate of identity.it is very complex to get her in.and during custom clearance she has really got to groom herself well and speak english and be confident.do u know for the previous 3 times i smuggle my ger in i cant sleep for several nights...its very nerve wrecking the critial part is at the gantry point u know how those bastards immigration official torment thai ppl esp when they see your passport they ask all sorts of stupid questions and make them confuse.why not u be like me and fly back abt once a mth to see her at least there is no risk element..my fren is having mental problem now coz his tiral is being throw inside for 2 yrs due to his carelessness of bring her to jb for shopping.its too heavy a price to pay for..
siamcutey
05-10-2006, 08:14 PM
bro i got u loud and clear,sorry for constantly pestering u. i am indeed very grateful for your help.watever it is i feel nuting is fool proof or auto guarantee. i seen cases of my frenz who apply and got approval from ica for thier tiraks to come in only to be waylaid at the customs for backdated offences.i really dun trust the authorities here at all once,it was a blessing in disguise one of her gd frenz was arrested if not i would still be smuggling her in..
Nothing is foolproof or guarantee. But 2 solutions here. Either continue to hiong or to ask ICA for solution.
The 1st part u have already done it before and now you want to do it the proper way. I believed some of your friends cases are because they hiong a few times and eventually they come in, they never 'clean up' their tracks.
That is reason why I advised you since she has changed her name once, just advised her to change it another time officially. Persuading your girl is easy, just throw in some scare tactics and she will go change her name.
Work or don't work this method I don't know, cos I never try before. But I can tell you if you ask already and she is allowed to come, its better than playing hide and seek.
Your girl from Maesai so she is from Myanmar or Thailand?
SC
siamcutey
05-10-2006, 08:17 PM
its very nerve wrecking the critial part is at the gantry point u know how those bastards immigration official torment thai ppl esp when they see your passport they ask all sorts of stupid questions and make them confuse.why not u be like me and fly back abt once a mth to see her at least there is no risk element..my fren is having mental problem now coz his tiral is being throw inside for 2 yrs due to his carelessness of bring her to jb for shopping.its too heavy a price to pay for..
Maybe should come in together with the girl. Hold hands, stay close and go to the counter with both passports. If there is any questions, at least can help answer. And also with the presence of you, even they suspect, they will take down your name as sponsor. As long as no illegal things are done in SG, they wouldn't trouble you.
SC
ansonlky
05-10-2006, 11:53 PM
Nothing is foolproof or guarantee. But 2 solutions here. Either continue to hiong or to ask ICA for solution.
The 1st part u have already done it before and now you want to do it the proper way. I believed some of your friends cases are because they hiong a few times and eventually they come in, they never 'clean up' their tracks.
That is reason why I advised you since she has changed her name once, just advised her to change it another time officially. Persuading your girl is easy, just throw in some scare tactics and she will go change her name.
Work or don't work this method I don't know, cos I never try before. But I can tell you if you ask already and she is allowed to come, its better than playing hide and seek.
Your girl from Maesai so she is from Myanmar or Thailand?
SC
bro SC,actually never wanted to put her at risk in the first place,i din know the severity of the case till there is a victim.haizz...if only u were in my shoe.u seems to be a guru here.have this happens to u before?my girl is an ethnic thai, i dink the previous time she can get in its due to her looks but i know she wont be lucky the next time round i see what i can do when i visit her during loi krathong next mouth,maybe get registered over at bkk first.if all avenues is exhausted i dink i spend my next half of my remaining years as a farmer planting poppy seeds art the border.see u there then keke. recently just walk past the house she used to work in.sense of nostalgia inside me.fark lah of all gers why i choose such ppl.this is fated.hope u wun end up like me.
ansonlky
06-10-2006, 12:05 AM
Maybe should come in together with the girl. Hold hands, stay close and go to the counter with both passports. If there is any questions, at least can help answer. And also with the presence of you, even they suspect, they will take down your name as sponsor. As long as no illegal things are done in SG, they wouldn't trouble you.
SC
dun agree with u wor bro.u dink ppl like them give a damn even if u bring thaksin to accompany her as long she is being discover they send her straight to jail knn if money helps i would have bribe the custom farkers.hope one day their daughter or wife work overseas and encounter such problem.life is never fair. last time got to pay money to okt to see her,now got to be subjected to immigration approval b4 i can bring her here.dunno wats nexts.so much red tape in this society.hopefully a military coup is stage here and we can overthrow them...
siamcutey
06-10-2006, 12:23 AM
dun agree with u wor bro.u dink ppl like them give a damn even if u bring thaksin to accompany her as long she is being discover they send her straight to jail knn if money helps i would have bribe the custom farkers.hope one day their daughter or wife work overseas and encounter such problem.life is never fair. last time got to pay money to okt to see her,now got to be subjected to immigration approval b4 i can bring her here.dunno wats nexts.so much red tape in this society.hopefully a military coup is stage here and we can overthrow them...
Bro,
Life is never fair and this is how it should be. If life was fair, i would be Richard Li or Bill Gates. But I ain't complaining because we are way more better than some others in this world.
Ur girl came SG to work and she agreed to the rules because she knew her priority is work and $$$ and not love.
She has to accept the rules and regulations which comes with it.
ICA rules and regulations are set up for Singapore. If there are no rules and regulations, any Tom Dick and Harry can come into SG easily.
If you love her, you must accept her as it is, but then blaming the ICA or govt don't help any issues. If Singapore don't welcome her, go somewhere else. We must respect each and every countries rules and regulations. If we are not happy with it, we don't go there. If we have to go there, we have to lan lan suck thumb and stick with it in going there.
SC
vmtech
06-10-2006, 12:32 AM
bro i advise u to stay put for the time being coz she is consider a stateless person in thailand wif juz a certificate of identity.it is very complex to get her in.and during custom clearance she has really got to groom herself well and speak english and be confident.do u know for the previous 3 times i smuggle my ger in i cant sleep for several nights...its very nerve wrecking the critial part is at the gantry point u know how those bastards immigration official torment thai ppl esp when they see your passport they ask all sorts of stupid questions and make them confuse.why not u be like me and fly back abt once a mth to see her at least there is no risk element..my fren is having mental problem now coz his tiral is being throw inside for 2 yrs due to his carelessness of bring her to jb for shopping.its too heavy a price to pay for..
hello ansonlky, thannks
that is exactly what i am doing right now, for this 2 yrs i have been travelling to and fro every few months, each period about 15-18days in myanmar,kengtung. im sure u know how far that is, haha im just making some future plans cuz i cant do that forever , and somehow i wish to bring her to sg not to stay but just social visit.
thanks for all the concern!!!
siamcutey
06-10-2006, 12:33 AM
bro SC,actually never wanted to put her at risk in the first place,i din know the severity of the case till there is a victim.haizz...if only u were in my shoe.u seems to be a guru here.have this happens to u before?.fark lah of all gers why i choose such ppl.this is fated.hope u wun end up like me.
How u know I am not in this shoes or never been in this shoes before? :rolleyes:
Anyway, if I love a girl, I would not put her in such big risk over such issues. It ain't worth it over this.
There is nothing wrong in loving a prostitute but definitely wrong to love a girl who is bad in character. If u regret loving her, its still not too late for you to overturn your decision.
I only chak those tirak wannabes who come into this forum say until their girl is so angel when in actual fact conning men. I also chak those tirak wannabes who fake their stories here to make their relationship look good.
If one has decided to choose who he wants to be with, he must think of ways to work things out rather than let things work out for him.
SC
siamcutey
06-10-2006, 12:39 AM
hello ansonlky, thannks
that is exactly what i am doing right now, for this 2 yrs i have been travelling to and fro every few months, each period about 15-18days in myanmar,kengtung. im sure u know how far that is, haha im just making some future plans cuz i cant do that forever , and somehow i wish to bring her to sg not to stay but just social visit.
thanks for all the concern!!!
Maybe one day I go Tachilek or Keng Tung to find you......:D
hehehe
SC
vmtech
06-10-2006, 12:45 AM
Maybe one day I go Tachilek or Keng Tung to find you......:D
hehehe
SC
heh never got a chance to meet u all this while eh, i think u know i'm the friend TheUnforgiven's talking about last time.
and i bet u also already know which girl im refering to haha, if u ever have any DD, pm me hor..
Tachilek.. nb.. was up there last month, thanks to my girl asking me stay 1 extra night, reach tachilek swee swwee border kanna shut, stuck there 3days. + flood somemore. almost went back to kengtung for another 2 weeks hahah
if u go kengtung, please please let me know ok? i'll love to meetup with u maybe over @ e coffeeshop @ harry's
siamcutey
06-10-2006, 01:01 AM
heh never got a chance to meet u all this while eh, i think u know i'm the friend TheUnforgiven's talking about last time.
and i bet u also already know which girl im refering to haha, if u ever have any DD, pm me hor..
Tachilek.. nb.. was up there last month, thanks to my girl asking me stay 1 extra night, reach tachilek swee swwee border kanna shut, stuck there 3days. + flood somemore. almost went back to kengtung for another 2 weeks hahah
if u go kengtung, please please let me know ok? i'll love to meetup with u maybe over @ e coffeeshop @ harry's
Ya, I knew u are Unforgiven's friend that he talked about. As for id of ur girl, I don't really remember.
End of year will be choosing either Mae Sai or Korat.
But higher chance is Mae Sai lor.:D
hehehe
SC
ansonlky
06-10-2006, 09:46 AM
Bro,
Life is never fair and this is how it should be. If life was fair, i would be Richard Li or Bill Gates. But I ain't complaining because we are way more better than some others in this world.
Ur girl came SG to work and she agreed to the rules because she knew her priority is work and $$$ and not love.
She has to accept the rules and regulations which comes with it.
ICA rules and regulations are set up for Singapore. If there are no rules and regulations, any Tom Dick and Harry can come into SG easily.
If you love her, you must accept her as it is, but then blaming the ICA or govt don't help any issues. If Singapore don't welcome her, go somewhere else. We must respect each and every countries rules and regulations. If we are not happy with it, we don't go there. If we have to go there, we have to lan lan suck thumb and stick with it in going there.
SC
bro<
sort of agree with u.yalor suck thumb.but easy talk oni le,out of impulse i always say i wan to settle down there but if life was realli so gd there they wun have to come here.BUT moving out would ultimatingly be my last resort. Are u currently with ani tiraks?wanna meet up for a cup of tea one day?
ansonlky
06-10-2006, 09:50 AM
hello ansonlky, thannks
that is exactly what i am doing right now, for this 2 yrs i have been travelling to and fro every few months, each period about 15-18days in myanmar,kengtung. im sure u know how far that is, haha im just making some future plans cuz i cant do that forever , and somehow i wish to bring her to sg not to stay but just social visit.
thanks for all the concern!!!
bro,i very scared of kengtung lah those farking burmese officials impound your passport when u cross the border and the whole place full of warloads,bad memories when i try to cross the border and u turn when my 1 mth visa expired. gana robbed on takchelik town..hey u saw the sos childrens village there.my wish is to build a house there when i cant get her here.if u cant get ur tirak here we must well partnership open a small shop sell pineapple along the highway or sell som-tam...
ansonlky
06-10-2006, 09:52 AM
Ya, I knew u are Unforgiven's friend that he talked about. As for id of ur girl, I don't really remember.
End of year will be choosing either Mae Sai or Korat.
But higher chance is Mae Sai lor.:D
hehehe
SC
hey bro nov i going back for loi krathong u wanna join me?i fetch u ard at chiangsean in her 4 wheel drive... knn u seems to be familiar wif chiangrai too,its my 2nd hm nia.ur tirak from where.
ansonlky
06-10-2006, 10:10 AM
How u know I am not in this shoes or never been in this shoes before? :rolleyes:
Anyway, if I love a girl, I would not put her in such big risk over such issues. It ain't worth it over this.
There is nothing wrong in loving a prostitute but definitely wrong to love a girl who is bad in character. If u regret loving her, its still not too late for you to overturn your decision.
I only chak those tirak wannabes who come into this forum say until their girl is so angel when in actual fact conning men. I also chak those tirak wannabes who fake their stories here to make their relationship look good.
If one has decided to choose who he wants to be with, he must think of ways to work things out rather than let things work out for him.
SC
bro u my guru liao when free for kopi?dun evade me leh u look down on me meh meet up one day leh...u my idol keke...
vmtech
06-10-2006, 12:49 PM
bro,i very scared of kengtung lah those farking burmese officials impound your passport when u cross the border and the whole place full of warloads,bad memories when i try to cross the border and u turn when my 1 mth visa expired. gana robbed on takchelik town..hey u saw the sos childrens village there.my wish is to build a house there when i cant get her here.if u cant get ur tirak here we must well partnership open a small shop sell pineapple along the highway or sell som-tam...
lol, that;s not the way to go thou. settling down there u can still earn overseas income, dont have to sell somtam and sit @ highway la, too much exhaust gas bad for ur and ur girl's health. lol.
you're lucky cuz ur girl's at least a thai, mine's not even neither. she's a minority race which burma and thai both dont officially issue an ID. like wad people call.. "Sua Teng Lang"
siamcutey
06-10-2006, 12:57 PM
you're lucky cuz ur girl's at least a thai, mine's not even neither. she's a minority race which burma and thai both dont officially issue an ID. like wad people call.. "Sua Teng Lang"
Ya, he is luckier than you.
Anyway will see what I can find out for your situation and help you out on this problem. ;)
SC
singrakthai
06-10-2006, 01:02 PM
if u cant get ur tirak here we must well partnership open a small shop sell pineapple along the highway or sell som-tam...
No disrespect.. jus curious... are u sure ur tirak will want to settle down with u selling pineapple and som-tam in the country-side? If she's happy with selling pineapple and som-tam why she choose to work as WL last time? :confused:
vmtech
06-10-2006, 01:03 PM
Ya, he is luckier than you.
Anyway will see what I can find out for your situation and help you out on this problem. ;)
SC
thanks SC!!
The_Unrepentant
06-10-2006, 03:36 PM
No disrespect.. jus curious... are u sure ur tirak will want to settle down with u selling pineapple and som-tam in the country-side? If she's happy with selling pineapple and som-tam why she choose to work as WL last time?
even if the ger willing u think he can tahan meh? unlikely lah. we singapore lang are too used to living in city and comfortable life liao.:D
Suchinda
06-10-2006, 04:18 PM
SC now add a new title other than being the tiraks and soccer expert now his black heart serves as ICA expert of SBF too:D
ansonlky
06-10-2006, 05:42 PM
even if the ger willing u think he can tahan meh? unlikely lah. we singapore lang are too used to living in city and comfortable life liao.:D
AIya bro support a bit mah i consoling myself mah,not all gers are so many face wor...
ansonlky
06-10-2006, 05:46 PM
No disrespect.. jus curious... are u sure ur tirak will want to settle down with u selling pineapple and som-tam in the country-side? If she's happy with selling pineapple and som-tam why she choose to work as WL last time? :confused:
hey u never know mah next time u come chiangrai i give u free serving we take things in stride mah.. ppl do turn over new leaf....
ansonlky
06-10-2006, 05:50 PM
thanks SC!!
u are not unlucky lah.kengtung not far from maesai if both ur ger and mine cannot settle down here we be business partner in the north lor den rope bro SC in as well.
ansonlky
06-10-2006, 05:54 PM
lol, that;s not the way to go thou. settling down there u can still earn overseas income, dont have to sell somtam and sit @ highway la, too much exhaust gas bad for ur and ur girl's health. lol.
you're lucky cuz ur girl's at least a thai, mine's not even neither. she's a minority race which burma and thai both dont officially issue an ID. like wad people call.. "Sua Teng Lang"
VAM ah nov i going back u wanna join me?
singrakthai
06-10-2006, 06:13 PM
hey u never know mah next time u come chiangrai i give u free serving we take things in stride mah.. ppl do turn over new leaf....
No offense ok? :) I'm jus being curious... u mean u and ur girl actually sit down and discussed about this and she agree that u 2 can live together in country side and sell pineapple and som-tam for a living and she don't mind?
I know some girls do turn over a new leaf after marrying the "right" guy... but most of them carry their financial burden along too, right? If she don't mind the earnings of selling som-tam, she probably won't work as a WL in the first place right? :confused:
ansonlky
06-10-2006, 06:27 PM
No offense ok? :) I'm jus being curious... u mean u and ur girl actually sit down and discussed about this and she agree that u 2 can live together in country side and sell pineapple and som-tam for a living and she don't mind?
I know some girls do turn over a new leaf after marrying the "right" guy... but most of them carry their financial burden along too, right? If she don't mind the earnings of selling som-tam, she probably won't work as a WL in the first place right? :confused:
aiya ah bo u teach me wat to do lor,i dun mind selling backside but no offer leh.since i chosen this path i guess i have to suffer hardship together wif her..how abt u bro?in same shoes?
singrakthai
06-10-2006, 06:47 PM
aiya ah bo u teach me wat to do lor,i dun mind selling backside but no offer leh.since i chosen this path i guess i have to suffer hardship together wif her..how abt u bro?in same shoes?
hmmmm... so does that mean its all ur wisful thinking and u've never told her ur plans? Thats why I curious... why'll she go sell pineapples and som-tam with u when she can do that with any Thai man?
I'm not trying to pour cold water on u.... but have to be realistic leh. Money cannot buy love, but love without money also cannot survive... even in Thailand, no matter how things are seen "cheap" to us S'poreans.
I suggest u discuss with ur tirak about this and check with her if she's willing to go through hardship with u first before u make any decisions.
Do u have any savings? $20,000 can set up a small nice restaurant in the country side... but then con is u have to register the business under ur tirak's name... there's a risk in that.
Furthermore, whether the business can work is another matter as Thai working attitude is nothing most S'porean can imagine.
Good luck.
ansonlky
06-10-2006, 07:17 PM
hmmmm... so does that mean its all ur wisful thinking and u've never told her ur plans? Thats why I curious... why'll she go sell pineapples and som-tam with u when she can do that with any Thai man?
I'm not trying to pour cold water on u.... but have to be realistic leh. Money cannot buy love, but love without money also cannot survive... even in Thailand, no matter how things are seen "cheap" to us S'poreans.
I suggest u discuss with ur tirak about this and check with her if she's willing to go through hardship with u first before u make any decisions.
Do u have any savings? $20,000 can set up a small nice restaurant in the country side... but then con is u have to register the business under ur tirak's name... there's a risk in that.
Furthermore, whether the business can work is another matter as Thai working attitude is nothing most S'porean can imagine.
Good luck.
aiya got discuss lah.but i still hope she can settle down here,u are right the risk element is there.i used to ppl pouring cold water at me all.not many ppl will choose a wl as a wife but this is my destiny wat to do.living standards getting higher at countryside too wor.dun always talk abt me how abt u?? care to share?
vmtech
06-10-2006, 08:04 PM
VAM ah nov i going back u wanna join me?
join u where?
singrakthai
06-10-2006, 08:43 PM
aiya got discuss lah.but i still hope she can settle down here,u are right the risk element is there.i used to ppl pouring cold water at me all.not many ppl will choose a wl as a wife but this is my destiny wat to do.living standards getting higher at countryside too wor.dun always talk abt me how abt u?? care to share?
Good for u. :)
According to STR1099 I'm a loser who's jus a dispensable salaried worker... fortunetly, I'm paid S'pore dollars and based in Thailand and can safely say I'm better paid than most average Thai. :D
I don't have WL gfs but only friends... I try not to get emotionally attached to the WLs here.
ansonlky
07-10-2006, 12:40 AM
join u where?
Aiyo loi krathong is at 4th-6th mah.join me play water at the mekong river lor den i follow u go kengtung.keke maybe we find betta gers there ...........haha
ansonlky
07-10-2006, 12:44 AM
Good for u. :)
According to STR1099 I'm a loser who's jus a dispensable salaried worker... fortunetly, I'm paid S'pore dollars and based in Thailand and can safely say I'm better paid than most average Thai. :D
I don't have WL gfs but only friends... I try not to get emotionally attached to the WLs here.
wah u make yourself sound like a saint wor so should i worship u?based in bkk ah.wah so fortunate sia. u must be highly paid of coz u wun go for lowly thai lah. hire me to wash your toilet at your expat apartment lor i dun mind...
krathong
07-10-2006, 01:10 AM
wah u make yourself sound like a saint wor so should i worship u?based in bkk ah.wah so fortunate sia. u must be highly paid of coz u wun go for lowly thai lah. hire me to wash your toilet at your expat apartment lor i dun mind...
U duno meh he is a saint meh?:rolleyes:
vmtech
07-10-2006, 01:47 AM
Aiyo loi krathong is at 4th-6th mah.join me play water at the mekong river lor den i follow u go kengtung.keke maybe we find betta gers there ...........haha
i wont mind joining u, if i can even get tickets up there. sure tio jam like siao 1 airlines.
go KT with me and find better girls? u wan me to get slaughtered alive ar.. lol KT how small nia
siamcutey
07-10-2006, 02:46 AM
u are not unlucky lah.kengtung not far from maesai if both ur ger and mine cannot settle down here we be business partner in the north lor den rope bro SC in as well.
If do business in Thailand really so easy and profitable and to my standards, I would have stayed in Thailand loh.
Instability in their govt, corruption within police ranks, must be able to 'cover' these fuckers before thinking of investment. And must know them well in order to work things out.
Sell Som Tum or pineapple, sorry I really not interested. I am a very practical person. Anything less than 100K baht a month is not worth considering. Imagine time effort money spent.
Can someone relate to me the weather and humidity conditions of Maesai all year round? The golden triangle last time grow poppies, but I am thinking of doing something else there. :p
SC
siamcutey
07-10-2006, 02:51 AM
aiya got discuss lah.but i still hope she can settle down here,u are right the risk element is there.i used to ppl pouring cold water at me all.not many ppl will choose a wl as a wife but this is my destiny wat to do.living standards getting higher at countryside too wor.dun always talk abt me how abt u?? care to share?
There is no such thing as destiny lah. U love her then be with her. U don't love her then forget about her.
Choose a prostitute as wife nothing to be shameful.
Just don't be like some others allow wife go be prostitute. Like that then is shameful.
Cannot settle here then dun settle here. No need to force one.
*Just like if you don't welcome someone to your house. If he insists on coming to your house, you sure dulan also.
SC
AtsushiHara
07-10-2006, 03:19 AM
Choose a prostitute as wife nothing to be shameful.
Just don't be like some others allow wife go be prostitute. Like that then is shameful.
Bro this phrase I agree totally man :)
vmtech
07-10-2006, 08:54 AM
If do business in Thailand really so easy and profitable and to my standards, I would have stayed in Thailand loh.
Instability in their govt, corruption within police ranks, must be able to 'cover' these fuckers before thinking of investment. And must know them well in order to work things out.
Sell Som Tum or pineapple, sorry I really not interested. I am a very practical person. Anything less than 100K baht a month is not worth considering. Imagine time effort money spent.
Can someone relate to me the weather and humidity conditions of Maesai all year round? The golden triangle last time grow poppies, but I am thinking of doing something else there. :p
SC
haha yeah true, if i were to consider earning $ from thailand or whichever place, definately not gonna do something that yields me just enough for 2 bowls of kao mun gai. i am currently contemplating on a biz in CR, but still considering and deciding cuz of the promised income i'll be able to geneerate. 1stly it has to get u more den enough for a SINGLE person to live by comfortably before i even think of bringing my girl down. otherwise that would just be pulling her into another sh!thole with me.
although when in love u dont mind suffering , but doesnt mean u have to suffer to love.
ansonlky
07-10-2006, 09:56 AM
i wont mind joining u, if i can even get tickets up there. sure tio jam like siao 1 airlines.
go KT with me and find better girls? u wan me to get slaughtered alive ar.. lol KT how small nia
vmtech bro no worries lah i am a ticketing agent myself u zhun bo?fix a date we meet up and talk.ask our counsellor siamcutey to join us lah....i not kidding leh.that singrakthai like to wash me and chak me Wan.no wonder lah ppl happily staying in the land of smiles now mah....
ansonlky
07-10-2006, 09:59 AM
haha yeah true, if i were to consider earning $ from thailand or whichever place, definately not gonna do something that yields me just enough for 2 bowls of kao mun gai. i am currently contemplating on a biz in CR, but still considering and deciding cuz of the promised income i'll be able to geneerate. 1stly it has to get u more den enough for a SINGLE person to live by comfortably before i even think of bringing my girl down. otherwise that would just be pulling her into another sh!thole with me.
although when in love u dont mind suffering , but doesnt mean u have to suffer to love.
living standards damn high down there liao wor its like earning thai baht and paying for local food prices. how to earn 100k a mth hard lah,unless u angmoh lor or u sell opium but mae sai and inner tahchelik town already ban these activities long ago.kao mun gai also abt 40 baht liao singapore u can still find 1 buck chicken rice wor. the only way is to save enuff here and buy a hse settle down there and be a farmer lor
ansonlky
07-10-2006, 10:02 AM
If do business in Thailand really so easy and profitable and to my standards, I would have stayed in Thailand loh.
Instability in their govt, corruption within police ranks, must be able to 'cover' these fuckers before thinking of investment. And must know them well in order to work things out.
Sell Som Tum or pineapple, sorry I really not interested. I am a very practical person. Anything less than 100K baht a month is not worth considering. Imagine time effort money spent.
Can someone relate to me the weather and humidity conditions of Maesai all year round? The golden triangle last time grow poppies, but I am thinking of doing something else there. :p
SC
bro u so interested join me for orientation tour lor,frankly speakly there is nuting much there its very kampong and peaceful.the oni biz opportunity growth is in their property. u have millions baht u can buy a land build hses or rent out the rooms to those students there,franchise for a 24hrs conveninece store or build a htl there.its hard to carve out a niche there,but compare to bkk the capital required is smaller.
singrakthai
07-10-2006, 03:04 PM
wah u make yourself sound like a saint wor so should i worship u?based in bkk ah.wah so fortunate sia. u must be highly paid of coz u wun go for lowly thai lah. hire me to wash your toilet at your expat apartment lor i dun mind...
i not kidding leh.that singrakthai like to wash me and chak me Wan.no wonder lah ppl happily staying in the land of smiles now mah.......
Ooch! Touchy! :D Don't know why u bring in the word "Saint" though... Saint no need to work and don't visit prostitudes.
No need to get so sensitive. I thought u said u used to people pouring cold water already? Apparently don't sound like it leh.
As I said I've never heard of retired WLs marrying a foreigner and going back to the village to sell pineapple and som-tam one. Like I said, if she's happy with this kinda simple life like staying in village selling som-tam, she won't be selling herself last time in the first place...
Both SC and vmtech had also voiced that they never thought of such "impractical" move...
I can only conclude u must be very young and rush type of person. Frankly speaking, I also thought it was all wisful thinking on ur part only.
U duno meh he is a saint meh?.......Haha.. why don't u use ur original nick to post? Or are u the guy who can learn to speak Thai within half year like a Thai and HAD a AGOGO girlfriend who graduated from ABAC supporting u (which u claimed) for 8 months and dried up all ur life savings but in the end got kicked out from her apartment and now back to square one in Singapore? :D
vmtech
07-10-2006, 03:56 PM
Both SC and vmtech had also voiced that they never thought of such "impractical" move...
I can only conclude u must be very young and rush type of person. Frankly speaking, I also thought it was all wisful thinking on ur part only.
haha i think im the youngest here. SC shud know :D
vmtech
07-10-2006, 03:59 PM
vmtech bro no worries lah i am a ticketing agent myself u zhun bo?fix a date we meet up and talk.ask our counsellor siamcutey to join us lah....i not kidding leh.that singrakthai like to wash me and chak me Wan.no wonder lah ppl happily staying in the land of smiles now mah....
sure, i'm damn free in singapore anyway. but im just not sure when i will be going up, not sure date. + the immigration peepz @ myanmar borders definately knows my face after i made a ruckus during the time i was stuck in the borders. maybe not so soon, just in case they kajiao me LOL
anyway i will be up in bkk 19-23 to do some meetings with people to discuss about the overseas venture im planning off.
anything PM me if it's private
siamcutey
07-10-2006, 04:54 PM
I've always think that if one is starting a business in Thailand because of tirak in Thailand, it will never work out, business will not make money.
However if one is starting a business for monetary purposes and only for monetary purposes then its worth doing.:D
SC
The_Unrepentant
07-10-2006, 05:29 PM
AIya bro support a bit mah i consoling myself mah,not all gers are so many face wor...
i just doubt whether u can take the hardship a not. no mentioning of money face leh.:confused:
WorldSexGuide
07-10-2006, 06:21 PM
Haha.. why don't u use ur original nick to post? Or are u the guy who can learn to speak Thai within half year like a Thai and HAD a AGOGO girlfriend who graduated from ABAC supporting u (which u claimed) for 8 months and dried up all ur life savings but in the end got kicked out from her apartment and now back to square one in Singapore? :D
People only first post you picha his lobang liao. :D
you good sia....
jdi813
07-10-2006, 09:14 PM
Haha.. why don't u use ur original nick to post? Or are u the guy who can learn to speak Thai within half year like a Thai and HAD a AGOGO girlfriend who graduated from ABAC supporting u (which u claimed) for 8 months and dried up all ur life savings but in the end got kicked out from her apartment and now back to square one in Singapore?yo bro how's things going nowadays ... u know, till today i still have not sent the translated verses to her yet ??? long story ... got chance will tell u bout it ... and how i met no 2 :o
haha i think im the youngest here ...young or not bro it's the mindset that makes the difference ... at least u're taking it with a practical point of view ... not to say selling som tam and pineapples is not impossible but neither is it practical ... solly to the bro who was contemplating that course of action ... shitty as it may sound it is the truth
I've always think that if one is starting a business in Thailand because of tirak in Thailand, it will never work out, business will not make money.
However if one is starting a business for monetary purposes and only for monetary purposes then its worth doing.this has gotta be one of the best pieces of advice i've seen in any of the teeruk threads in awhile ...
siamcutey
08-10-2006, 12:52 AM
I've always think that if one is starting a business in Thailand because of tirak in Thailand, it will never work out, business will not make money.
However if one is starting a business for monetary purposes and only for monetary purposes then its worth doing.
this has gotta be one of the best pieces of advice i've seen in any of the teeruk threads in awhile ...
Cheongsters I have met up before, in the past we always talked about starting a business in Thailand.
And I believed many people want to start a business in Thailand too.
I would say most had this mindset of starting a business in Thailand is because of
1) Tirak
2) So can stay in Thailand because Thailand low cost of living
3) So can find ways/avenues/opportunities to cheong.
It's only when it comes to the last part, profits that can generate from the businesss then people start to think harder.
To put it simply, if the first thing that comes to mind for a business was only money-driven and not tirak-driven then I think the business is worth planning and doing.
For those who are thinking of giving up their career/ business in Singapore to strike it out in an investment in Thailand, it simply is not worth it. Risk Takers are encouraged but stupidity is not.
No matter what we are not Khon Thais. Their government protects their interests, not ours, for in their eyes we are forever aliens.
I believe that no matter how much love there is between 2 parties, by giving up everything in Singapore to go to Thailand and settle roots doing business all for the sake of love, it will never work out. Especially if business fails, no money, the honey love you how much also will run away.
If I am dumping $50K SGD into a Singapore business and I dump $50K SGD into a Thailand business, and the Singapore Business earns more and generates more profit, it makes no cow sense to invest in the Thai Business because of tirakship. However this is what many people are doing/going to do. :)
SC
ansonlky
08-10-2006, 08:58 AM
Cheongsters I have met up before, in the past we always talked about starting a business in Thailand.
And I believed many people want to start a business in Thailand too.
I would say most had this mindset of starting a business in Thailand is because of
1) Tirak
2) So can stay in Thailand because Thailand low cost of living
3) So can find ways/avenues/opportunities to cheong.
It's only when it comes to the last part, profits that can generate from the businesss then people start to think harder.
To put it simply, if the first thing that comes to mind for a business was only money-driven and not tirak-driven then I think the business is worth planning and doing.
For those who are thinking of giving up their career/ business in Singapore to strike it out in an investment in Thailand, it simply is not worth it. Risk Takers are encouraged but stupidity is not.
No matter what we are not Khon Thais. Their government protects their interests, not ours, for in their eyes we are forever aliens.
I believe that no matter how much love there is between 2 parties, by giving up everything in Singapore to go to Thailand and settle roots doing business all for the sake of love, it will never work out. Especially if business fails, no money, the honey love you how much also will run away.
If I am dumping $50K SGD into a Singapore business and I dump $50K SGD into a Thailand business, and the Singapore Business earns more and generates more profit, it makes no cow sense to invest in the Thai Business because of tirakship. However this is what many people are doing/going to do. :)
SC
Yes professor SC, i dink u gonna be one of the best adviser down here.every consider setting up a consultancy over here i dink u would definately generate a lot of profits.i cant help but agree with u the facts.so what is your suggestion for those tirak-wannabes or those who have their spouse stranded overseas and cant apply for visa here.where else should they settle down and in events if they are *forced* to making a living away from singapore what should they do? bro seriously your advice is much sought after...
ansonlky
08-10-2006, 08:59 AM
yo bro how's things going nowadays ... u know, till today i still have not sent the translated verses to her yet ??? long story ... got chance will tell u bout it ... and how i met no 2 :o
young or not bro it's the mindset that makes the difference ... at least u're taking it with a practical point of view ... not to say selling som tam and pineapples is not impossible but neither is it practical ... solly to the bro who was contemplating that course of action ... shitty as it may sound it is the truth
this has gotta be one of the best pieces of advice i've seen in any of the teeruk threads in awhile ...
yoz. so could u provide any handy solution wif regards to this issue?
ansonlky
08-10-2006, 09:03 AM
Ooch! Touchy! :D Don't know why u bring in the word "Saint" though... Saint no need to work and don't visit prostitudes.
No need to get so sensitive. I thought u said u used to people pouring cold water already? Apparently don't sound like it leh.
As I said I've never heard of retired WLs marrying a foreigner and going back to the village to sell pineapple and som-tam one. Like I said, if she's happy with this kinda simple life like staying in village selling som-tam, she won't be selling herself last time in the first place...
Both SC and vmtech had also voiced that they never thought of such "impractical" move...
I can only conclude u must be very young and rush type of person. Frankly speaking, I also thought it was all wisful thinking on ur part only.
Haha.. why don't u use ur original nick to post? Or are u the guy who can learn to speak Thai within half year like a Thai and HAD a AGOGO girlfriend who graduated from ABAC supporting u (which u claimed) for 8 months and dried up all ur life savings but in the end got kicked out from her apartment and now back to square one in Singapore? :D
maybe u would never encounter such scenario coz u are mature,decisive,has foresight and realistic sensible guy.so what advise have u got to offer besides preaching your thoughts.
ansonlky
08-10-2006, 09:09 AM
sure, i'm damn free in singapore anyway. but im just not sure when i will be going up, not sure date. + the immigration peepz @ myanmar borders definately knows my face after i made a ruckus during the time i was stuck in the borders. maybe not so soon, just in case they kajiao me LOL
anyway i will be up in bkk 19-23 to do some meetings with people to discuss about the overseas venture im planning off.
anything PM me if it's private
including me in your plans?i be your servant juz pay me my meals when i am over there wif u .keke
ansonlky
08-10-2006, 09:10 AM
People only first post you picha his lobang liao. :D
you good sia....
aiya he always lidat wan english no good can never chak him back wan.he always has the final say...
AtsushiHara
08-10-2006, 06:08 PM
A newbie's opinion -
I wouldn't say setting up a business is difficult in thailand if you know the do and don'ts well. Multiple factors contributes to the success of the venture. You strike at the right time in the right trade, you're in for a big windfall. The whole business experience I had there was quite pleasent. :)
But I do agree if you wanna go into business, make sure its well worth the effort. Forking out money and effort and what you get back is peanuts, I'll better off be working for somebody instead. What I feel many not reflect what others think. Its just my opinion. :)
ansonlky
08-10-2006, 06:39 PM
A newbie's opinion -
I wouldn't say setting up a business is difficult in thailand if you know the do and don'ts well. Multiple factors contributes to the success of the venture. You strike at the right time in the right trade, you're in for a big windfall. The whole business experience I had there was quite pleasent. :)
But I do agree if you wanna go into business, make sure its well worth the effort. Forking out money and effort and what you get back is peanuts, I'll better off be working for somebody instead. What I feel many not reflect what others think. Its just my opinion. :)
so what biz venture did u started out there.care to share abt it more?
AtsushiHara
08-10-2006, 07:31 PM
so what biz venture did u started out there.care to share abt it more?
Garage, 2nd hand cars and also VCD related businesses. All legal :)
siamcutey
08-10-2006, 10:42 PM
so what is your suggestion for those tirak-wannabes or those who have their spouse stranded overseas and cant apply for visa here.where else should they settle down and in events if they are *forced* to making a living away from singapore what should they do? bro seriously your advice is much sought after...
I think I am not in a position to feed people here with ideas/suggestions/ on how to lead their life with their loved ones.
If my advice is sought after, does it mean what I tell you to do you will do?
Then let me tell you not to be with your girl. Can you do that?
It shows you are independent enough to make your own stand, your own choice, so you have to be independent enought to find your own food. :D
I also have to make my survival in this real world. :p
SC
singrakthai
08-10-2006, 11:57 PM
yo bro how's things going nowadays ... u know, till today i still have not sent the translated verses to her yet ??? long story ... got chance will tell u bout it ... and how i met no 2
So long ago, I don't even remember what I helped translate... old don't go, new don't come... such is life.. don't worry about it. ;)
No matter what we are not Khon Thais. Their government protects their interests, not ours, for in their eyes we are forever aliens.;) Latest victim is Tamasek.
aiya he always lidat wan english no good can never chak him back wan.he always has the final say....I didn't know this is a debate competition.... I'll love to see u come back here and post 5 years from now and laugh in my face saying, "Hey! I'm now happily selling som-tum with my Thai wife in the village and we're living happily with our 2 years old son/daughter".
Good luck.
singrakthai
09-10-2006, 12:07 AM
haha i think im the youngest here. SC shud know.
Nothing to do with age... its more of maturity. At least u know whats practical and whats not.
Do be careful of trusting the Thai too much when doing business in Thailand though... with the 49-51% law, 1 simple mistake, they can screw u around and its bye bye for u.
I've heard real life cases where the S'porean partner even ended up in jail.
;)
Best wishes.
vmtech
09-10-2006, 02:17 AM
Nothing to do with age... its more of maturity. At least u know whats practical and whats not.
Do be careful of trusting the Thai too much when doing business in Thailand though... with the 49-51% law, 1 simple mistake, they can screw u around and its bye bye for u.
I've heard real life cases where the S'porean partner even ended up in jail.
;)
Best wishes.
wont be 49% if it's a representative office of a foreign country .
100% ownership possible.
singrakthai
09-10-2006, 09:27 AM
wont be 49% if it's a representative office of a foreign country .
100% ownership possible.
I've not heard about that. Its always 49-51... but what we did is although we're 49%, the other 51% is spread among 4 Thai partners thus we're still major share holder.
Start up capital is 2 million baht.
They're lawyers here who can advise on "legal" procedures for starting up businesses.
suteerak1099
09-10-2006, 02:00 PM
So did you read carefully what he wrote initially?
He wrote that his girl wants to come SG on real documents but previously her documents that were used for Cat40 work was faked.
So if now she come SG and say her passport is real, and thus it will prove her prev passport is fake lah. Then u still dare to tell people to come in like dat and hiong.
Talk is cheap, u talk here no need any responsibility but the person who listens to what you advised might get arrested and jailed. :mad:
SC well, likewise, you too didnt read my comments properly too. as suggested, regardless if its genuine/fake passport that they used during their tour of duty here. not advisable to attempt re-entering our shores altogether.
ansonlky
09-10-2006, 10:40 PM
I think I am not in a position to feed people here with ideas/suggestions/ on how to lead their life with their loved ones.
If my advice is sought after, does it mean what I tell you to do you will do?
Then let me tell you not to be with your girl. Can you do that?
It shows you are independent enough to make your own stand, your own choice, so you have to be independent enought to find your own food. :D
I also have to make my survival in this real world. :p
SC
bro i am glad u bother to advise me definately if it comes handy i will heed your advise.u are among the wisest here.cheers to u.
ansonlky
09-10-2006, 10:45 PM
I think I am not in a position to feed people here with ideas/suggestions/ on how to lead their life with their loved ones.
If my advice is sought after, does it mean what I tell you to do you will do?
Then let me tell you not to be with your girl. Can you do that?
It shows you are independent enough to make your own stand, your own choice, so you have to be independent enought to find your own food. :D
I also have to make my survival in this real world. :p
SC
bro i am glad u bother to advise me definately if it comes handy i will heed your advise.u are among the wisest here.cheers to u.u are vemtech friend? care to meet up one day together?
ansonlky
09-10-2006, 10:49 PM
So long ago, I don't even remember what I helped translate... old don't go, new don't come... such is life.. don't worry about it. ;)
;) Latest victim is Tamasek.
I didn't know this is a debate competition.... I'll love to see u come back here and post 5 years from now and laugh in my face saying, "Hey! I'm now happily selling som-tum with my Thai wife in the village and we're living happily with our 2 years old son/daughter".
Good luck.
thks for your *blessing* and i certain hope within the next 2 yrs u can enjoy the kind of freedom to post here so i would feel entertain by u somehow or rather.
JackSparrow
09-10-2006, 11:45 PM
My Tirak leaving soon. How can I maintain a relationship with her when I dun even speak Thai? :(
vmtech
10-10-2006, 12:32 AM
My Tirak leaving soon. How can I maintain a relationship with her when I dun even speak Thai? :(
.. learn how to speak la.
siamcutey
10-10-2006, 12:50 AM
My Tirak leaving soon. How can I maintain a relationship with her when I dun even speak Thai? :(
Here is 'ord from geylang, can come back sg?' thread
Not how to sian Cat40 thread. :p
SC
AtsushiHara
10-10-2006, 01:04 AM
The gals have ten fingerprint profile captured by the ICA and it doesn't matter if you come in with real/fake or multiple passports. By doing so is already a form of forgery. Unless the gal has multiple fingers that she can choose to put on everyday. Like I have already mentioned earlier in previous posts that to be honest, you have a better chance. Wanna hiong can also but when kenna its big time.
ansonlky
10-10-2006, 08:05 AM
The gals have ten fingerprint profile captured by the ICA and it doesn't matter if you come in with real/fake or multiple passports. By doing so is already a form of forgery. Unless the gal has multiple fingers that she can choose to put on everyday. Like I have already mentioned earlier in previous posts that to be honest, you have a better chance. Wanna hiong can also but when kenna its big time.
u are right,again it all boils down to pure luck some manage to clear the gate without much hassle countless time,some try to smoke thru just one time and gana buzzed liao.there is no room for leniency or compassion once gana charged its jail for sure.it will further jeopardise your chance of any reunion.betta to heed SC advise.honesty the best policy....
krathong
10-10-2006, 07:48 PM
Haha.. why don't u use ur original nick to post? Or are u the guy who can learn to speak Thai within half year like a Thai and HAD a AGOGO girlfriend who graduated from ABAC supporting u (which u claimed) for 8 months and dried up all ur life savings but in the end got kicked out from her apartment and now back to square one in Singapore? :D
Original nick Jun lah...:D
siamcutey
10-10-2006, 09:53 PM
A Samster pm-ed me with this problem and he allowed his problem to be posted here so that solutions can be found.
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SC, need yr help here.
my gf was detained by ICA when we went down to apply for extension of her visa when she was granted 14 days visa and was abt to end soon. this is her 1st visit with her genuine passport bearing her genuine name.
However, she was here previously to apply to solicit legally(Cat40) with another fake name passport by her Boss changi women's prison now.
I was advised by ICA Investigating officer try not to engage lawyer for her as it will bring no results for lighter sentence. Coz the mandatory is minimum 1 year. I am at a loss now. I believe with yr experience u can help me.
1) Can i go over to AVB and try clearing her previous record? becos from my gal she is ignorant of her past becoz of her young age. her boss abuse her ignorance and forger a passport for her to solicit legally here and lie abt her age. She was banned from coming in to spore and sent back home in her 1st visit (for a day stay only.)
2) Should i heed the IO 's advice and NOT to engage lawyer for her in lighter sentence and wait for her?
3) even the ICA IO understand and believed our merely pure love. but i think they dun really bother.
4) when she be released , will she be probably be deported back and barred from coming in again? coz we just simply want to start a family.
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My advise is to find a lawyer not to get her off the hook. But to plead for leniency.
SC
vmtech
11-10-2006, 01:40 AM
A Samster pm-ed me with this problem and he allowed his problem to be posted here so that solutions can be found.
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SC, need yr help here.
my gf was detained by ICA when we went down to apply for extension of her visa when she was granted 14 days visa and was abt to end soon. this is her 1st visit with her genuine passport bearing her genuine name.
However, she was here previously to apply to solicit legally(Cat40) with another fake name passport by her Boss changi women's prison now.
I was advised by ICA Investigating officer try not to engage lawyer for her as it will bring no results for lighter sentence. Coz the mandatory is minimum 1 year. I am at a loss now. I believe with yr experience u can help me.
1) Can i go over to AVB and try clearing her previous record? becos from my gal she is ignorant of her past becoz of her young age. her boss abuse her ignorance and forger a passport for her to solicit legally here and lie abt her age. She was banned from coming in to spore and sent back home in her 1st visit (for a day stay only.)
2) Should i heed the IO 's advice and NOT to engage lawyer for her in lighter sentence and wait for her?
3) even the ICA IO understand and believed our merely pure love. but i think they dun really bother.
4) when she be released , will she be probably be deported back and barred from coming in again? coz we just simply want to start a family.
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My advise is to find a lawyer not to get her off the hook. But to plead for leniency.
SC
his GF's background is similar to mine right, SC ?
AtsushiHara
11-10-2006, 02:05 AM
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SC, need yr help here.
my gf was detained by ICA when we went down to apply for extension of her visa when she was granted 14 days visa and was abt to end soon. this is her 1st visit with her genuine passport bearing her genuine name.
However, she was here previously to apply to solicit legally(Cat40) with another fake name passport by her Boss changi women's prison now.
I was advised by ICA Investigating officer try not to engage lawyer for her as it will bring no results for lighter sentence. Coz the mandatory is minimum 1 year. I am at a loss now. I believe with yr experience u can help me.
1) Can i go over to AVB and try clearing her previous record? becos from my gal she is ignorant of her past becoz of her young age. her boss abuse her ignorance and forger a passport for her to solicit legally here and lie abt her age. She was banned from coming in to spore and sent back home in her 1st visit (for a day stay only.)
2) Should i heed the IO 's advice and NOT to engage lawyer for her in lighter sentence and wait for her?
3) even the ICA IO understand and believed our merely pure love. but i think they dun really bother.
4) when she be released , will she be probably be deported back and barred from coming in again? coz we just simply want to start a family.
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It a very disadvantageous and complicated situation. Its like you being caught with drugs and trying to explain that someone planted it earlier on you. Nobody is gonna believe you, there ain't no proof.
The lawyer won't help in reducing the terms further than the minimum sentence. And the mandatory ban from singapore would probably be imposed for a period of several years.
AV will not clear her records, technically she has been here before. The records will be there.
If you are serious, you'll probably have to wait for her and be prepared to make frequent trips over to thailand. Remember, you have all the time in the world to visit her in thailand, usually 30 days stay is permitted when you clear the thai immigration. For her, it'll be difficult. Imagine the fear and trauma each time she has to cross the singapore immigration counter? Trust me, once she has been in detention, she wouldn't feel like coming back anymore. Its a rotton experience. Just a thought.
ansonlky
11-10-2006, 07:52 AM
Coz the mandatory is minimum 1 year. I am at a loss now. I believe with yr experience u can help me.
1) Can i go over to AVB and try clearing her previous record? becos from my gal she is ignorant of her past becoz of her young age. her boss abuse her ignorance and forger a passport for her to solicit legally here and lie abt her age. She was banned from coming in to spore and sent back home in her 1st visit (for a day stay only.)
2) Should i heed the IO 's advice and NOT to engage lawyer for her in lighter sentence and wait for her?
3) even the ICA IO understand and believed our merely pure love. but i think they dun really bother.
4) when she be released , will she be probably be deported back and barred from coming in again? coz we just simply want to start a family.[/COLOR]
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My advise is to find a lawyer not to get her off the hook. But to plead for leniency.
SC[/Qget a counsel to plead for a lenient sentence
my advise is similar to SC,at least u are doing something for her by getting lawyer.to be frank it doesnt carry much weight,his case is same as my friend's peer.she was sentenced to 3 yrs at portsdown prison after remission was 2 years,this type of case is very clear cut and serious.they even backdate and charge her for 3 previous immigration offence dated a year back.fortunately it was to be concurrent. She will be deported back after the sentence.u gonna try your best to write in to apply for visit its goingto be hard coz u are not the immediate next of kin.tele visit is usually granted once a mth.make full use of her stay inside and plan for the future overseas,dun ever think of settling down here wif
her its going to be hard,u can try dun give up.
siamcutey
11-10-2006, 08:26 AM
The lawyer won't help in reducing the terms further than the minimum sentence. And the mandatory ban from singapore would probably be imposed for a period of several years.
The mandatory is min 1 year, and could be sentenced more. Having a lawyer to plead for leniency with some mitigating factors gives them some hope and hopefully she gets a lesser sentence.
At least he did tried.
siamcutey
11-10-2006, 08:30 AM
his GF's background is similar to mine right, SC ?
Case to case also. There are similar stories like yours where never get caught also.
Also when I asked that samster did he declare truthfully in the declaration form, he didn't get back to me on this.
If one has changed name, changed passport and declare at immigrations, at most they tell you to take the next flight home if they don't allow you entry.
SC
ansonlky
11-10-2006, 06:49 PM
Case to case also. There are similar stories like yours where never get caught also.
Also when I asked that samster did he declare truthfully in the declaration form, he didn't get back to me on this.
If one has changed name, changed passport and declare at immigrations, at most they tell you to take the next flight home if they don't allow you entry.
SC
bro how safe can u assure that they wun be arrested juz oni deport back?
vmtech
11-10-2006, 07:39 PM
just read the papers, saw that they mentioned, by the end of this year, Singapore will install in all 13 check pts, the fingerprint scan machines,
would that spell the end?
Shuang_Jie_Gun
11-10-2006, 08:28 PM
I have to admire the bro's effort & courage,not many ppl can & will do what he is doing.He have my respect.Wish them well.
siamcutey
12-10-2006, 12:53 AM
bro how safe can u assure that they wun be arrested juz oni deport back?
U never con ICA officer, never give false declaration, declare everything on the spot, not even an illegal immigrant, on what charges can they charge you with?
I am not ICA commissioner cannot guarantee you safety. If you are scared, then don't come SG. ;)
SC
safetybest
12-10-2006, 12:58 AM
A Samster pm-ed me with this problem ...
SC, need yr help here.
my gf was detained by ICA ...However, she was here previously to apply to solicit legally(Cat40) with another fake name passport ...I was advised by ICA Investigating officer try not to engage lawyer for her as it will bring no results for lighter sentence. Coz the mandatory is minimum 1 year. ...
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My experience:-
1 year is the minimum sentence for ignoring ban or falsification of documents, so cannot get shorter, and no chance for appeal since she is guilty.
But can apply for early release - there is a scheme to get foreigners out of Singapore jails early, to save taxpayer money.
But now I have a question:
Can anyone recommend a lawyer who has been successful in a case like this; I (my girlfriend) am in the same situation, and hope to get early release from (longer) sentence...
Any suggestions?
Thanks
SB
safetybest
12-10-2006, 01:08 AM
As Siamcutey says-
What can they charge you with? They have no evidence - only your hearsay that is what happened, and they have no right to fingerprint you; even then, they have no evidence that the name change was illegal or that the previous documents forged. Maybe you changed name and nationality, but lost your papers?
But I think the immigration officer will be happy for a nice easy case to turn someone back - they probably will not want all the trouble of court case. PROBABLY.
But then maybe can apply for visa in advance. Nice letter from sponsor, nice explanation which is consistent with facts; if the explanation is OK, then probably immigration will ask for evidence before granting visa...
But if you not tell immigration officr on arrival then once in SIN, without declaring, then at the least, there is false declaration, maybe other problems as well...
SB
ansonlky
12-10-2006, 08:36 AM
U never con ICA officer, never give false declaration, declare everything on the spot, not even an illegal immigrant, on what charges can they charge you with?
I am not ICA commissioner cannot guarantee you safety. If you are scared, then don't come SG. ;)
SC
true,true,thanks for your reply.whatever it is,they are getting more and more hi-tech.with the biometric scanner and prints system being implemented,i think even if you ask your ger go for plastic surgery or scarre her fingers,its also no use.....
ansonlky
12-10-2006, 08:38 AM
A Samster pm-ed me with this problem ...
SC, need yr help here.
my gf was detained by ICA ...However, she was here previously to apply to solicit legally(Cat40) with another fake name passport ...I was advised by ICA Investigating officer try not to engage lawyer for her as it will bring no results for lighter sentence. Coz the mandatory is minimum 1 year. ...
________________________________
My experience:-
1 year is the minimum sentence for ignoring ban or falsification of documents, so cannot get shorter, and no chance for appeal since she is guilty.
But can apply for early release - there is a scheme to get foreigners out of Singapore jails early, to save taxpayer money.
But now I have a question:
Can anyone recommend a lawyer who has been successful in a case like this; I (my girlfriend) am in the same situation, and hope to get early release from (longer) sentence...
Any suggestions?
Thanks
SB
bro,are u allowed to visit her.she is remanded at portsdown prison..usually its quite hard to appeal for parole or early release coz they are entitled to remission off their max sentenced based on gd behaviours.i feel that getting a local lawyer doesnt really helps much,u can seek thai consulate for help..try all avenues.maybe u should be more concerned of life after she is released....
007James
12-10-2006, 09:34 AM
U never con ICA officer, never give false declaration, declare everything on the spot, not even an illegal immigrant, on what charges can they charge you with?
I am not ICA commissioner cannot guarantee you safety. If you are scared, then don't come SG. ;)
SC
Dear Matured Samsters ,
This is a Law by Law area , we should do things step by step . Dont subject anyone to unnecessary danger .
Thing will be processed and done in a Process Flow chart and there s not much KC around us. Dont ever beg for KC or mercury , cos this is very painful before we can make ourself " HAPPY "
Back to main point , I think you can search for the " Penal Code " . Check which category of personnel he / she belongs to ? After that you maybe check the Max and min sents. Simple rite ?? Dont guess ,The Parrot will act and propose the sents accordinglu, So final say will be that person who is wearing a " WIG " to give Max or Min . Consecutively or Concurrently pending No.s of sents.
Stay Focus , Master yr mind , Dont let yr mind Master you . !!
May the Dark force be with U !!!!
007James
12-10-2006, 09:36 AM
U never con ICA officer, never give false declaration, declare everything on the spot, not even an illegal immigrant, on what charges can they charge you with?
I am not ICA commissioner cannot guarantee you safety. If you are scared, then don't come SG. ;)
SC
Dear Matured Samsters ,
This is a Law by Law area , we should do things step by step . Dont subject anyone to unnecessary danger .
Thing will be processed and done in a Process Flow chart and there s not much KC around us. Dont ever beg for KC or mercury , cos this is very painful before we can make ourself " HAPPY "
Back to main point , I think you can search for the " Penal Code " . Check which category of personnel he / she belongs to ? After that you maybe check the Max and min sents. Simple rite ?? Dont guess ,The Parrot will act and propose the sents accordinglu, So final say will be that person who is wearing a " WIG " to give Max or Min . Consecutively or Concurrently pending No.s of sents.
Stay Focus , Master yr mind , Dont let yr mind Master you . !!
May the Dark force be with U !!!!
AtsushiHara
16-10-2006, 02:28 AM
U never con ICA officer, never give false declaration, declare everything on the spot, not even an illegal immigrant, on what charges can they charge you with?
I am not ICA commissioner cannot guarantee you safety. If you are scared, then don't come SG. ;)
SC
I agree with this advice. Its a gamble man. If you dun give them a chance to charge you, there won't be any sentence. There is a reason why there is a section asking "Have you been into singapore using a different name/passport" on the declaration card. Use it for good purpose :)
AtsushiHara
16-10-2006, 02:39 AM
...I think you can search for the " Penal Code " . Check which category of personnel he / she belongs to ? After that you maybe check the Max and min sents...
Talking about rules and regulations, there is a clause stating that anyone who used to or currently living off prostitution are categorized under "Prohibited Immigrants", this includes OKTs & Gals. OKTs as in the unlicensed ones.
safetybest
17-10-2006, 11:08 PM
bro,are u allowed to visit her.she is remanded at portsdown prison.....i feel that getting a local lawyer doesnt really helps much,u can seek thai consulate for help..try all avenues.maybe u should be more concerned of life after she is released....
Thanks very much advice. Specifically, I want to request deportation mid-way through sentence, rather than wasting tax-payer money on time in Changi; but need to present justification for why will not re-offend, etc. I think no chance of re-offending, since caught once by fingerprints, caught every time...
Also, want to apply for lifting the ban - again, need to tell a good story; maybe no chance, but very inconvenient she cannot come to Singapore...
So I keep looking for lawyer.
She is in Changi, so can visit occasionally...very sad - prison life not healthy...
SB
safetybest
17-10-2006, 11:12 PM
bro,are u allowed to visit her.she is remanded at portsdown prison.....i feel that getting a local lawyer doesnt really helps much,u can seek thai consulate for help..try all avenues.maybe u should be more concerned of life after she is released....
Thanks very much advice. Specifically, I want to request deportation mid-way through sentence, rather than wasting tax-payer money on time in Changi; but need to present justification for why will not re-offend, etc. I think no chance of re-offending, since caught once by fingerprints, caught every time...
Also, want to apply for lifting the ban - again, need to tell a good story; maybe no chance, but very inconvenient she cannot come to Singapore...
So I keep looking for lawyer.
She is in Changi, so can visit occasionally...very sad - prison life not healthy...
SB
ansonlky
18-10-2006, 08:51 AM
Thanks very much advice. Specifically, I want to request deportation mid-way through sentence, rather than wasting tax-payer money on time in Changi; but need to present justification for why will not re-offend, etc. I think no chance of re-offending, since caught once by fingerprints, caught every time...
Also, want to apply for lifting the ban - again, need to tell a
SB
bro there is no chance u can request for deportation midway thru sentence,she will have to serve her time here,unless u can provide very good excuse to persuade the relevant authorities,even if it is based on medical reasons would be very hard too.but at least after u try u will feel at ease.as for trying to write in to life the ban after she is repatriated,u will have a case as she was already punished for her offence,u may use it as an advantage to her stand.it all depends on case by case basis. i wish u well. u are not the only one alone.no worries.
ansonlky
18-10-2006, 08:53 AM
SB[/QUOTE]
bro there is no chance u can request for deportation midway thru sentence,she will have to serve her time here,unless u can provide very good excuse to persuade the relevant authorities,even if it is based on medical reasons would be very hard too.but at least after u try u will feel at ease.as for trying to write in to life the ban after she is repatriated,u will have a case as she was already punished for her offence,u may use it as an advantage to her stand.it all depends on case by case basis. i wish u well. u are not the only one alone.no worries.
siamcutey
18-10-2006, 01:46 PM
Thanks very much advice. Specifically, I want to request deportation mid-way through sentence, rather than wasting tax-payer money on time in Changi; but need to present justification for why will not re-offend, etc. I think no chance of re-offending, since caught once by fingerprints, caught every time...
Also, want to apply for lifting the ban - again, need to tell a good story; maybe no chance, but very inconvenient she cannot come to Singapore...
So I keep looking for lawyer.
She is in Changi, so can visit occasionally...very sad - prison life not healthy...
SB
Was at my lawyer's office yesterday and I happened to ask her about such cases. Though I did not talk about the offence, I did say is there any chance for them to appeal for early release if the immigration offender has been sentenced to jail for a year. Success rate depends on case to case and my lawyer does do this kind of cases. Some success some failure.
So if u are keen you can PM me.
SC
goodpartner
02-11-2006, 04:40 AM
Bump into this thread while researching for some answers, this thread has lots of useful Q&A, some which I never thought of asking but is relevant to my research. Thanks for the thread starter and contributors.
First off, a simple question:
What is the "big thailand" (泰大） and "small thailand"（泰小）means in terms of nationality? One ex-WL told me she is born in the "big thailand" and is a Thai and not Myanmise (spell?). But she holds a passport that read "Union Of Myanmar" - she says her family lives on the border of the two. I suppose this has lots of implication on her wishful thought of marrying a Singaporean or worst still, eventually living in Singapore... (I've read all the caveats in earlier posts, which I'll update her once I gather all the facts)
TIA
siamcutey
02-11-2006, 12:02 PM
Bump into this thread while researching for some answers, this thread has lots of useful Q&A, some which I never thought of asking but is relevant to my research. Thanks for the thread starter and contributors.
First off, a simple question:
What is the "big thailand" (泰大） and "small thailand"（泰小）means in terms of nationality? One ex-WL told me she is born in the "big thailand" and is a Thai and not Myanmise (spell?). But she holds a passport that read "Union Of Myanmar" - she says her family lives on the border of the two. I suppose this has lots of implication on her wishful thought of marrying a Singaporean or worst still, eventually living in Singapore... (I've read all the caveats in earlier posts, which I'll update her once I gather all the facts)
TIA
If she has a Union of Myanmar passport, she is not Khon Thai. Period.
SC
vmtech
02-11-2006, 04:54 PM
yo guys, back to teh topic
wondering if how to have a shan person (holding a legal union of myanmar passport) to come to thailand?
goodpartner
02-11-2006, 06:48 PM
yo guys, back to teh topic
wondering if how to have a shan person (holding a legal union of myanmar passport) to come to thailand?
My ex-WL friend (mayanmar pp) stay in BKK long-term by making 30-day trip/visa back & forth between the two. The other method I was told is to get fako thai pp...
BTW, thx SC for your short and sweet reply; how about the first part of my question on big/small thai? The written language of "big" thai looks like the usual khon thai language but round-round type. Is that myanmar language?
she says her family lives on the border of the two....
To add to siamcutey's comment ... she's probably from Shan state in Myanmar. And if she lives near the border of thailand, she probably speak a myanmese dialect that's different from regular "burma" people. Myanmar is very much a militant country, with very little influences from the military in these far-off places. ('cept at the china border)
These people very different from regular myanmese, different chinese accent (and rare), different myanmese tone (more thai like, softer, regular burmese much louder). Go northern Shan and you'll meet the fairer of them, beautiful people there.
Regular myanmese are mostly very conservative, other than these group living in their supposed "bigger thailand" that kenna tainted by those dirty minded thai ... :p.
:) but, on top of all these differences, ask her don't kid herself. I know a girl like that before in Yangon and would say these people are more fun, but very different.
... yawn ...
Th4r
PS: Oh, and her written language probably myanmese. Ask her, she'll know. Myanmese kids wear a medium darkish green skirt/shorts with white shirt to school, heh heh.
goodpartner
02-11-2006, 08:14 PM
Thanks bro for the insights. I've read up more on this country; very general stuffs with a gd summary found here (http://www.travelnotes.org/Asia/myanmar.htm), but it's nice to hear from a someone who knows the "context" of our question...thx... ;)
Okay, without turning this thread into a geography/culture lesson I'll stop here for now and proceed to "...ask her don't kid herself..." about who she is and advise her on the caveats on coming to sg.
I must say it's a really amazing world out there away from our little sillypore; the people, the mindset, the quest for better living. Well, I bet the same can be said by them of sillyporeans too :D
vmtech
02-11-2006, 08:19 PM
My ex-WL friend (mayanmar pp) stay in BKK long-term by making 30-day trip/visa back & forth between the two. The other method I was told is to get fako thai pp...
BTW, thx SC for your short and sweet reply; how about the first part of my question on big/small thai? The written language of "big" thai looks like the usual khon thai language but round-round type. Is that myanmar language?
yeah but i think now with the new rules on thailand , it's only restricted to 90days consecative stamps ya ?
:o , hope she can take the truth then.
Haiz, there must be a better way of screenings other than generalising groups of immigrants. 'Tis not where we came from, shouldn't be where we end up becoming.
... no stars amidst the haze ...
Th4r
goodpartner
02-11-2006, 09:53 PM
:o , hope she can take the truth then.
Hope so, she's in somekind of transit on the way back home stopping by Yangon now so I can't reach her.
Nice people, like you say, so happy about her ORD having earned enough to build a house back home, showing me all the official birth cert, family book, notorized documents saying she can marry anyone (jokingly hinting me) now wanting to start a new life...
*haiz*.
siamcutey
07-11-2006, 03:01 AM
Real Life incident.
One of my ex-tiraks was jailed in Singapore because she came back 3 months after she ORDED from geylang cat40.
Sentenced 1 year. Sit 8 months. :(
So don' think can play IMMIGRATION.
SC
One of my ex-tiraks was jailed in Singapore because she came back 3 months after she ORDED from geylang cat40.
Hey SC, regarding this case ... was she caught for coming back too early or for using fake passport?
Th4r
siamcutey
08-11-2006, 01:31 AM
Hey SC, regarding this case ... was she caught for coming back too early or for using fake passport?
Th4r
coming back too early.
By the way, using fake passport can. But the immigration now got fingerprint booth. Want hiong no hiong you all advise your tiraks.:)
SC
goodpartner
08-11-2006, 02:05 AM
So serious like that also get jailed?! :eek:
ICA should have just sent her back at the airport and refuse entry. It's not like she use a fako pp, maybe she's ignorance of the barred time period.
siamcutey
08-11-2006, 02:33 AM
i think u're worrying over too many issues that will never have definate answers. in the 1st place, the immigrations officers dont normally do 100% screening of each & every thai gal. at the very least, they'd only seive out the suspicious ones when they question about their previous visits to sg.
some officers dont bother asking, they'd approve the entry, but shorten her intended period of visit. and its as simple as that. and they'd probably issue stern verbal warning "don't try to extend visitation, just be good & go back as advised".
you can also try writting to ICA, stating that you're her sponsor/guarantor for duration of visit. i believe there's some level of success for such applications, bcos u're required to put cash for deposit of assurance- money talks.
KNN, Don't anyhow advise people. then what about those girls that get caught at immigrations and thrown to jail? They got the word Cat40 or WL on their face is it? If not how they get caught? It's random.
Yeah, some immigration officers don't ask. The word here is 'some'. If kenna that one officer who ask, hiong gan liao.
U can say here immigration don't do 100%, but if the 1% happens on his girl and his girl kenna thrown to jail, you want to eat black bean rice on her behalf is it.
ANd please don't talk cock that money talks. If money talks, can tell me how much to allow immigration offenders to get PR.
SC
SC, dont rebut for the sake of rebuting! immigrations/customs officers not being 100% is literally implying that its random. those of which that try coming in with fake documents, when discovered will naturally be apprehended & dealt accordingly, same thing applies for overstayers.
its quite idiot-proof to understand the simple logic that, immigration offenders already disqualify themselves for PR application. those refused entry from any country too, are denied the chance for social visits for some cases.
there's also too many red tapes to deter ex-yellowcard holders to even try for PR here - though some managed to do so (method unknown)
those who offer to be guarantor, are succeptible to deposits retained and/or additional fine, imprisonment, or both, when implicated. your senseless rebutal to me is; talking cock.
Real Life incident.
One of my ex-tiraks was jailed in Singapore because she came back 3 months after she ORDED from geylang cat40.
Sentenced 1 year. Sit 8 months.
So those who wants to test ICA, or wants to hear what your friends say, by all means go ahead. When any of you guys' tiraks kenna caught and have to eat black bean rice, please either bear responsibility or go fuck your friend.
This is no laughing or talk cock matter.:cool:
SC
ChokDeeDee!
08-11-2006, 04:57 AM
Immigration officiers do screen nationals from china, vietnam, thailand and indonesia with much caution. Once they sense any discrepancies is the answers provided upon questioning, they're probably gonna get into trouble.
Nothing is for sure, don't assume that the officers don't screen everyone. Come on, they sit at the immigration counters everyday and what makes you think they're dumb? They've seen lots of nonsense, they know the 1001 tricks that offenders use, they are trained in this aspect, this is their job.
And to bros who have NOT accompanied their ex-WL tiraks into singapore at least several times before, please do not assume the behaviour of the customs and give out those "You think so" advices. Assumptions often lead to grave mistakes.
there is one thread by me about how the immigrant officer scan the girls from asian country. my friend wife happen to be station at changi airport(now no more) . ica do random picking up tourist to go for the biometric scan and record down their particular.usually they will pick up girls from the famous few countrty.
BIGCOCKHEAD
11-11-2006, 03:57 AM
I planning to start a mini booklet on rules and regulations of ICA in both thai and english. Will have case studies and FAQs. I believe it will be bestsellers for tirak wannabees.
I planning to start a mini booklet on rules and regulations of ICA in both thai and english. Will have case studies and FAQs. I believe it will be bestsellers for tirak wannabees. If you got nothing constructive to share just...hush...-2 from me :cool:
JWNY
Garage1
11-11-2006, 11:05 AM
I planning to start a mini booklet on rules and regulations of ICA in both thai and english. Will have case studies and FAQs. I believe it will be bestsellers for tirak wannabees.
hor gao gan lah! nothing to post, then be quiet for a moment!
Rof|maoxz
11-11-2006, 11:23 AM
hor gao gan lah! nothing to post, then be quiet for a moment!
Hey... Good Day.... 4 handfuls from me. :D
Akila
03-01-2007, 12:28 AM
Hi all, I have a different case here...
My tirak was actually frm laos but was using a thai passport to come in to work as cat40. So what do you think if she is going to use her laos passport to enter singapore? Is she going to declare she had use a thai passport to work here before? Will she get into trouble by declaring and get jail?
Hi all, I have a different case here...
My tirak was actually frm laos but was using a thai passport to come in to work as cat40. So what do you think if she is going to use her laos passport to enter singapore? Is she going to declare she had use a thai passport to work here before? Will she get into trouble by declaring and get jail?
Ah.
I am waiting for you to ask this.
I can direct your query to Romance himself.
Or to Thaivisitor.
In my opinion, in any ways, she will have some trouble by declaring because all fingerprints are recorded.
Perhaps somebody has already tipped off the authorities.
sosurfer
03-01-2007, 01:59 AM
Dear all brothers here,
Read through suggestions and comments in this part of the forum...see a lot of heartache and headache of brothers putting in effort to pursue your tirakship...I would like to share my experience with a Ex WL with all...
My wife (a Ex WL) ORDed 1 and a half year ago, now we are official husband and wife in Thailand...got ourself a condo and a honda civil over there and expecting my first baby boy next month...:) ...to reply, as from what I know, ex WL are forever banned from entering Singapore again, this is my own personal experience...I do not know about other cases.
I am still working in Singapore, I fly over to Thailand every 2 to 3 weeks to spend time with my wife usually 3 to 4 days, while, I am just back in Singapore today after a long holiday over at Bangkok...expenses to maintain $2, 000 per month....tele-communication daily with my wife. Have set up a small eating house which is maintained my my wife and her mother.
For those that thought of staying with your loved one, consider carefully before committing, although I did not regret in my decision to have this arrangement...frankly frankly, I am feeling very exhausted at time and the question 'Did I make a mistake?' does occasionally pop up in my thought...not money, not time, not harass of traveling....it's the feeling of missing my wife who is far away and by which I cannot like a normal Singaporean, stay by her side daily.
now we are official husband and wife in Thailand Thanks for sharing this with us bro...hopefully one day, there will be indeed an avenue for your wife to come over eventually for good :)
JWNY
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