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YishunDweller
21-07-2021, 06:10 PM
I have been a lurker in this forum close to 15 years now & SBF has been like my digital mancave which I can go into almost everyday. 2 things weigh very heavily on my mind today and I just very much want to share.

1. Today I had to finally decide to close down my restaurant which I opened pre-pandemic. The return to Phase 2 will completely wipe me out & I have & I would have to retrench my 12 staffs who also have mouths to feed. But I have to make the uneasy decision to choose my family over theirs & start applying for a job again in my 50s.

2. Against my better judgement, I had befriended a masseur from China whom I first found on SBF. We never really dated but I consider her a friend, as in someone I could talk to and we really hit off as i found comfort from home with someone I can share my problems with. Recently due to the raids, she had to leave her daughter behind in SG and was deported to China with chances of coming back slim to nothing. It was simply heartbreaking when she called me from China to help check in on her daughter from time to time which I promised I would.

Do I blame the errant KTV bosses or the gals or our fellow samsters who frequent the place? No, though we all have to admit that we all share some part of the blame for the circumstances we are in.

However it need not be. Through the years, we have seen countless of establishments get raided, gals deported, OKTs & Masseur/Spa owners get arrested and fined. So the question begets: Why can’t we legalise this side of the industry? The granting of licenses to brothels in SG was a Faustian bargain the SG govt did with the triads so that they may have a legal source of income rather than racketeering or drug trafficking. Why can’t we apply the same concept for the greyer parts of the vice trade?

The Govt needs to understand that people are no longer going to legal brothels as they are so many more options however illegal. Driving the industry underground was what got us all into this in the first place. If the KTVs and the lounges were legal, there would be contact tracing that would help in protecting the general population . Hell, we could even have ART kits in every room that all patrons have to take in order to gain entry to the premises. We can protect the girls, the workers as well as our families in the process.

With legalisation, we could

1. Set proper employment standards for the gals (So they don’t have to pay the crazy fees demanded by human traffickers or risk getting abused or getting tricked into the trade.)

2. We can “unionise” the gals so that everyone receives healthcare training to reduce the spread of diseases including STDs. These gals can also receive proper medical care & counselling from official agencies.

3. The govt can set aside specific zones for these KTVs or Massage parlors to exist and advise the property owners. That way landlords don’t get into trouble when for errant leaseholders (many of whom are just scapegoats)

4. The Tax revenue from these activities could be a boon for the IRS.

5. We can minimize the manpower requirements of the anti-vice unit as well as the attorney general office in prosecution efforts. Imagine instead of a raid, its just a routine check.

6. Gals also dun need to come here on a “visit visa” and overstay and end up everyone has to deal with that bullshit.

I understand that there is a moral dilemma in making such a progressive move as the Govt wants to keep the image of Singapore clean as well as the overtly holier-than-thou religious elements who would be opposed to this. However, in sweeping this under the rug for so many years, the hens have returned to roost in the form of our large covid outbreak last week, wrecking the whole F&B industry.

And this is where the reason for my open letter to Sammyboy & fellow Samsters. There is no other platform where patrons go in search for information and most of the OKTs are here anyway. Could we self-organise among ourselves to seek the govt solution to this? This Cat-&-Mouse game is essentially meaningless to satisfy a moral minority & frankly not very practical.

jacky43
21-07-2021, 06:28 PM
I blamed bosses of SME. They discover a biz chance to earn $. I mean. Legal RLD closed. The shops become F&B. However, the new owner ran illegal RLD biz. This is cat and mouse. I seldom agreed with the lighting.

About this P2 no more dine in. Past 2 days I notice people eating in coffee shops and hawker ctrs. 2 persons 1 table. They take their time over meal and drinks. They pretend there is no q for tables and chairs. Now, good! No more dine in for a mth.

By the way. The first day of hungry ghosts festival falls on 8 August, Sun follow by 9 August, Mon. NDP 2021.

ToyOrgasmic
21-07-2021, 11:30 PM
hi TS, i hope you are aware, that the KTV cluster is getting lesser and under control and not the reason for SG going back to P2HA..

imo, the reason for KTV cluster to be this small is because it's illegal, henceforth the number of men going to those joints are lesser in numbers. therefore there's limited amount of cases..

the worrying cluster is JFP, where its a huge trade and links to island wide wet markets, hawker stalls AND older population.

can you imagine the day where ktv hostess is legal and tons of viet thais flooding our shores to earn tax free income(i mean, come on, are you really expecting a tax invoice + GST for every tips they receive?), breaking up families and cheating uncle's CPF back to their country?

Penguin23
21-07-2021, 11:43 PM
I think MHA is simply not ready to face the truth. If you know some folks in government, the higher-ups tend to be moralistic and their coping mechanism is to simply discard information that doesn't fit their current worldview. KTVs exist for good reason - Captains of industry visit these places to do business, and Singapore knows that it is better to keep these places above board rather than underground, but stop short of full legalization.

I do pity the MP or Minister who stands up in Parliament to deliver the speech explaining the change in policy if the government ever pursues full legalization of KTV and some other vice trades like the illegal massage parlours. I can envision housewives banding together to kick out this brave MP in the next elections because let's face it - most Singaporean women themselves refuse to understand why men like to go KTV and they think that the only correct policy move is an outright ban.

Good luck trying to change that last viewpoint.

porscheclub
22-07-2021, 04:21 AM
Agree. If only Singapore regulators can deal with this in a matured and objective manner. Learn from the Swiss how they manage the sex industry and sex workers pay taxes too! Once properly regulated, it will reduce human trafficking and better manage illegal trade plus health benefits for everyone.

randyrockhard
22-07-2021, 08:56 AM
No politician want to be remembered as the person who pushed for legalizing vice activities and the subsequent bad news it might entail.

Look, the law of the land will change slowly as the society progresses. The Republic has been around for 55 years, and yes even the racial classification rule still exists after 100 years.

Even small things that don't really bother people, if it's deemed 'dishonorable' are not allowed. Like how single women aren't allowed to have artificial insemination.

Have any politician stood up and fight for such individual rights?

Things just don't happen overnight, buddy.

teokc278
22-07-2021, 09:07 AM
Today make the beginning of a suffering again for those taxi driver, grab driver, shop and restaurant owner. Some even close shop, family affected. No money to feed family.

All these thanks to those chee ko peh as well as those viet bu.

I will double return back them once able to do so to take revenge on what they have causes to us.

teokc278
22-07-2021, 09:10 AM
Alot of them kpkb said government should not open these and should not open that and push all the blame to them.

However, i think should blame the KTV owner. F & B licence then just make sure the lady have permit and be a waitress and not hostress.

No matter what, this convid thing will last how long, nobody will know so the best is live with it. If the country going to open up then we will end up like malaysia, you see their business all dead still? who will come to invest and open up the job market and help those jobless for job.

PepijnLijnders
22-07-2021, 10:13 AM
HI TS,

I think what you had written garment already did with the legal whores in houses and those holding yellow cards in the past.

Just that these had been removed since the pandemics.

These stables and legal houses can be worst infections record if allowed to operate.

I had fond memories in the past paying $120 for 2 shots with the Malaysian whores carrying umbrella.

unitybudget
22-07-2021, 10:20 AM
About this P2 no more dine in. Past 2 days I notice people eating in coffee shops and hawker ctrs. 2 persons 1 table. They take their time over meal and drinks. They pretend there is no q for tables and chairs. Now, good! No more dine in for a mth.

By the way. The first day of hungry ghosts festival falls on 8 August, Sun follow by 9 August, Mon. NDP 2021.

I usually goes out to eat early morning so didn't realised what you wrote.

Thanks for sharing chinese 7 month soon.

superstiffy
22-07-2021, 10:52 AM
Singapore got no hope liao la....

The older generation know how to open 1 eye close 1 eye.. they know what is going on.. give and take abit so can control and have balance. They are street smart. The new generation all study until high... everything is law by law.. jit tao all is street stupid. everything also theory can work... but in real life you know i know la...

The older generation come up with way to prevent problems... the new generation wait for problem come liao then come up with way to solve problem. first time cannot try again, try and try until can lor.. no need to say sorry just say on hindsight.. also wont tio pok...

The older generation got balls to do big thing. The new generation scare this scare that want to protect own balls scared kenna chop off so do things is abit abit.. try and see how cannot then adjust try again... because doesnt affect them mah....

but also cannot blame the new generation... they never go thru xiong days.. their path is swee swee lay out for them liao... come out of teh mother cb start to be groom to become leader liao... whole life is protected species... the things they see and experience is all planned properly.... so its not how capable u r.. is whos lanpah make you and whos cb you come out from..

cavemao
22-07-2021, 11:04 AM
bros what i want to say is, do you think gahmen really so kum gong that they dunno all these KTV illegally operating, be it pre covid or now? They just keep one eye close, and follow the army style mantra, do anything but don't get caught.

in this way, they keep the religious zealots at bay by telling them "you see? i listened to you guys, they're all illegal!"

but at the same time they give themselves leeway by "allowing" them to operate under a tight leash via occasional raids to trim the flock

and now it exploded and all the lao aunties and our OCs at home all fanning the flames of the fire, gahmen of course need to step in. you see the news article, 400 over pivoted F&B establishments and on average only 2 were inspected per day!? that is gahment closing one eye liao.......

i eagerly await the day when singapore will open up a soi cowboy like thailand but we know it will never ever happen. but i do wonder, a deeply religious society like thailand who has an overwhelming number of buddhists and christians, how do they manage to open up soi cowboy without people revolting?

fallen11
22-07-2021, 11:52 AM
By the way. The first day of hungry ghosts festival falls on 8 August, Sun follow by 9 August, Mon. NDP 2021.

is ah gong coming to attend NDP this year?:confused:

dgsk
22-07-2021, 11:58 AM
Bro TS, how old is the daughter? Is she here on a student visa?

YishunDweller
22-07-2021, 05:42 PM
Bro TS, how old is the daughter? Is she here on a student visa?

I rather not say.

jacky43
22-07-2021, 07:06 PM
I wrote with out logic. Only it sounds could be. This year hungry ghosts festival will receive the first batch of spirits who passed away with C19. 100 000 000 billion yrs of 7 moon festivals. This is the most fierce and hungry ghosts who walk among us.

Due to lock down. We cannot offer large offering. Still we do it small scare. FYI. Bright hill temple 2 rules in applying prayer time slots. Only full vaccinated people can enter the temple. If not. Pass ART b4 entering.

I guess we are screwed.

deematter
22-07-2021, 09:17 PM
relly appreciate the boss to create this platform for us to discuss and exchange opinion

deematter
22-07-2021, 09:18 PM
I rather not say.

haha, daughter is always the girlfriend of the a guy

earlkarl
23-07-2021, 11:56 AM
By the way. The first day of hungry ghosts festival falls on 8 August, Sun follow by 9 August, Mon. NDP 2021.

I think someone travel back in time to make LKY break away from Malaysia on 21 August 1965 instead of 9 August :D

AudeSMLJPique
23-07-2021, 10:59 PM
haha, daughter is always the girlfriend of the a guy

You know the daughter too? haha

jacky43
24-07-2021, 08:55 AM
During the Vietnam War -- between 1964 and 1973 -- nearly 2 million men were drafted in the U.S., according to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund. Just afterward, in 1973, facing a tide of opposition to the controversial draft, President Richard Nixon officially ended military conscription, and the U.S. established an all-volunteer force.
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History is re wrote again. Back into the 90s during NS days. I recalled US fought against Vietnam more then 20 yrs. No matter. Back then a topic we love to talked about was "Vietnam rose". There were news articles on this Vietnam FL and WL during the US and Vietnam conflict.

My memory is messy. A couple of things. During the war Vietnam RLD is earning a lot of $. The rumor of the biggest group of customers were USMC. HIV was an important thing the US army closed an eye. An ex army officer told us VC injected the village women with HIV, the USMC was dumb to rape them. And pay them for session w/o protection.

2 generation into 2021. Vietnam rose is in KTV. And we paid a heavy price because customers forgot this part of history. Is this the reason AV and Kelantan's Clinic do not issue license to Viet girls? We will never get the answers.

chutzpah
24-07-2021, 10:04 AM
During the Vietnam War -- between 1964 and 1973 -- nearly 2 million men were drafted in the U.S., according to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund. Just afterward, in 1973, facing a tide of opposition to the controversial draft, President Richard Nixon officially ended military conscription, and the U.S. established an all-volunteer force.
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History is re wrote again. Back into the 90s during NS days. I recalled US fought against Vietnam more then 20 yrs. No matter. Back then a topic we love to talked about was "Vietnam rose". There were news articles on this Vietnam FL and WL during the US and Vietnam conflict.

My memory is messy. A couple of things. During the war Vietnam RLD is earning a lot of $. The rumor of the biggest group of customers were USMC. HIV was an important thing the US army closed an eye. An ex army officer told us VC injected the village women with HIV, the USMC was dumb to rape them. And pay them for session w/o protection.

2 generation into 2021. Vietnam rose is in KTV. And we paid a heavy price because customers forgot this part of history. Is this the reason AV and Kelantan's Clinic do not issue license to Viet girls? We will never get the answers.

Enjoy reading what you wrote here.

Shiofukis
24-07-2021, 10:57 AM
So funny... last time KTV,lupsap bars and etc ....even our legal Brothel ..starts with Singaporean, Malaysian, then Thai Ger, PRCs,and now Vietnamese....who knows 10-15 years down the road... maybe got other girls from countries X Y Z! so don’t blame on girls ...blame one your own lust.....blame yourself not being hardworking disciplined enough to afford them... do not feel jealous...

Move on... get vaccinated ....stay safe...stay healthy.....!

jacky43
24-07-2021, 01:56 PM
1 more down the road. This is the 2 shocking thing in 2021. The aftermath of RVHS. The producers of CNA wish to move into this?

In gen to come. RVHS 1 of the boy's toilet is haunted. The first sighting could be reported by security guard days ago. I am afraid the 2022 Sec 1 intake is from children of PR and new citizens.

Tomorrow is the 7 day of the murder case. In Taoist beliefs the spirit will return to the place of origin. School is closed on Sun.

There are schools that are haunted. RVHS add on to the lists.

SkyIsSexy
24-07-2021, 02:40 PM
Move on... get vaccinated ....stay safe...stay healthy.....!

And do not spread rumours!

Ray06
24-07-2021, 02:53 PM
During the Vietnam War -- between 1964 and 1973 -- nearly 2 million men were drafted in the U.S., according to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund. Just afterward, in 1973, facing a tide of opposition to the controversial draft, President Richard Nixon officially ended military conscription, and the U.S. established an all-volunteer force.
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History is re wrote again. Back into the 90s during NS days. I recalled US fought against Vietnam more then 20 yrs. No matter. Back then a topic we love to talked about was "Vietnam rose". There were news articles on this Vietnam FL and WL during the US and Vietnam conflict.

My memory is messy. A couple of things. During the war Vietnam RLD is earning a lot of $. The rumor of the biggest group of customers were USMC. HIV was an important thing the US army closed an eye. An ex army officer told us VC injected the village women with HIV, the USMC was dumb to rape them. And pay them for session w/o protection.


2 generation into 2021. Vietnam rose is in KTV. And we paid a heavy price because customers forgot this part of history. Is this the reason AV and Kelantan's Clinic do not issue license to Viet girls? We will never get the answers.



History is re wrote again. Back into the 90s during NS days. I recalled US fought against Vietnam more then 20 yrs. No matter. Back then a topic we love to talked about was "Vietnam rose". There were news articles on this Vietnam FL and WL during the US and Vietnam conflict.

Would be correct to say that american trying to invade Vietnam!



My memory is messy. A couple of things. During the war Vietnam RLD is earning a lot of $. The rumor of the biggest group of customers were USMC. HIV was an important thing the US army closed an eye. An ex army officer told us VC injected the village women with HIV, the USMC was dumb to rape them. And pay them for session w/o protection.

Can see how cruel this american are to asian

I Love Boobs
24-07-2021, 02:55 PM
During the Vietnam War -- between 1964 and 1973 -- nearly 2 million men were drafted in the U.S., according to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund. Just afterward, in 1973, facing a tide of opposition to the controversial draft, President Richard Nixon officially ended military conscription, and the U.S. established an all-volunteer force.
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History is re wrote again. Back into the 90s during NS days. I recalled US fought against Vietnam more then 20 yrs. No matter. Back then a topic we love to talked about was "Vietnam rose". There were news articles on this Vietnam FL and WL during the US and Vietnam conflict.

My memory is messy. A couple of things. During the war Vietnam RLD is earning a lot of $. The rumor of the biggest group of customers were USMC. HIV was an important thing the US army closed an eye. An ex army officer told us VC injected the village women with HIV, the USMC was dumb to rape them. And pay them for session w/o protection.

2 generation into 2021. Vietnam rose is in KTV. And we paid a heavy price because customers forgot this part of history. Is this the reason AV and Kelantan's Clinic do not issue license to Viet girls? We will never get the answers.

You’re really a dumbfuck.
Ass kissing American loving scum.
The Vietcong purposely injecting their women with HIV so that they can get raped by US Marines?
That’s racist and dumb in the same sitting.
The worst part is that you’re high ranking in the SG healthcare system.
With your pathetic English and unintelligible rambling.
No wonder we’re screwed with Covid.

warbird
24-07-2021, 04:47 PM
During the Vietnam War -- between 1964 and 1973 -- nearly 2 million men were drafted in the U.S., according to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund. Just afterward, in 1973, facing a tide of opposition to the controversial draft, President Richard Nixon officially ended military conscription, and the U.S. established an all-volunteer force.
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History is re wrote again. Back into the 90s during NS days. I recalled US fought against Vietnam more then 20 yrs. No matter. Back then a topic we love to talked about was "Vietnam rose". There were news articles on this Vietnam FL and WL during the US and Vietnam conflict.

My memory is messy. A couple of things. During the war Vietnam RLD is earning a lot of $. The rumor of the biggest group of customers were USMC. HIV was an important thing the US army closed an eye. An ex army officer told us VC injected the village women with HIV, the USMC was dumb to rape them. And pay them for session w/o protection.

2 generation into 2021. Vietnam rose is in KTV. And we paid a heavy price because customers forgot this part of history. Is this the reason AV and Kelantan's Clinic do not issue license to Viet girls? We will never get the answers.
\
Bro,

No AIDS/HIV during the Vietnam conflict.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_HIV/AIDS

Cheers!

Bro WB

jacky43
25-07-2021, 07:38 PM
In a media release on Sunday (25 July), the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) said that the sentence was remitted as of Saturday. The move is in line with a pre-existing agreement that guaranteed the 31-year-old would not be subject to corporal punishment in Singapore after he was extradited here from the UK in March last year.

"It was necessary for the Singapore government to provide this assurance to the UK government, or the UK would not have permitted the extradition. Extraditing Roach to Singapore to face justice for his crimes was our top priority," said MHA.

On the advice of Singapore's Cabinet, the remittance was granted by President Halimah Yacob using her powers under Article 22P(1) of the Constitution. MHA noted that the Singapore government has "thus fulfilled the assurance given to the UK government" and that no alternative punishment would be imposed on Roach in lieu of the remitted caning sentence.
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The 3 shocking thing of 2021. Is this the reason ang mo walked around with masks pull down? An uncle at 4D shop said. There is nothing we can do. Take it.

hawkeye007
28-07-2021, 12:25 AM
During the Vietnam War -- between 1964 and 1973 -- nearly 2 million men were drafted in the U.S., according to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund. Just afterward, in 1973, facing a tide of opposition to the controversial draft, President Richard Nixon officially ended military conscription, and the U.S. established an all-volunteer force.
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History is re wrote again. Back into the 90s during NS days. I recalled US fought against Vietnam more then 20 yrs. No matter. Back then a topic we love to talked about was "Vietnam rose". There were news articles on this Vietnam FL and WL during the US and Vietnam conflict.

My memory is messy. A couple of things. During the war Vietnam RLD is earning a lot of $. The rumor of the biggest group of customers were USMC. HIV was an important thing the US army closed an eye. An ex army officer told us VC injected the village women with HIV, the USMC was dumb to rape them. And pay them for session w/o protection.

2 generation into 2021. Vietnam rose is in KTV. And we paid a heavy price because customers forgot this part of history. Is this the reason AV and Kelantan's Clinic do not issue license to Viet girls? We will never get the answers.

Please lah dude, HIV was discovered in the 1980s (1983 accordingly to Mr Google); the Vietnam War officially ended in 1977. Are you telling me that the VC created the HIV virus..? LMAO…. :D:D

H20Summit
28-07-2021, 02:05 AM
In a media release on Sunday (25 July), the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) said that the sentence was remitted as of Saturday. The move is in line with a pre-existing agreement that guaranteed the 31-year-old would not be subject to corporal punishment in Singapore after he was extradited here from the UK in March last year.

"It was necessary for the Singapore government to provide this assurance to the UK government, or the UK would not have permitted the extradition. Extraditing Roach to Singapore to face justice for his crimes was our top priority," said MHA.

On the advice of Singapore's Cabinet, the remittance was granted by President Halimah Yacob using her powers under Article 22P(1) of the Constitution. MHA noted that the Singapore government has "thus fulfilled the assurance given to the UK government" and that no alternative punishment would be imposed on Roach in lieu of the remitted caning sentence.
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The 3 shocking thing of 2021. Is this the reason ang mo walked around with masks pull down? An uncle at 4D shop said. There is nothing we can do. Take it.

Nasi Lemak is just a puppet taking instruction from her master

IanRush346
29-07-2021, 11:34 PM
Nasi Lemak is just a puppet taking instruction from her master

Not biryani meh? :D

milffella
29-07-2021, 11:54 PM
I have been a lurker in this forum close to 15 years now & SBF has been like my digital mancave which I can go into almost everyday. 2 things weigh very heavily on my mind today and I just very much want to share.

1. Today I had to finally decide to close down my restaurant which I opened pre-pandemic. The return to Phase 2 will completely wipe me out & I have & I would have to retrench my 12 staffs who also have mouths to feed. But I have to make the uneasy decision to choose my family over theirs & start applying for a job again in my 50s.

2. Against my better judgement, I had befriended a masseur from China whom I first found on SBF. We never really dated but I consider her a friend, as in someone I could talk to and we really hit off as i found comfort from home with someone I can share my problems with. Recently due to the raids, she had to leave her daughter behind in SG and was deported to China with chances of coming back slim to nothing. It was simply heartbreaking when she called me from China to help check in on her daughter from time to time which I promised I would.

Do I blame the errant KTV bosses or the gals or our fellow samsters who frequent the place? No, though we all have to admit that we all share some part of the blame for the circumstances we are in.

However it need not be. Through the years, we have seen countless of establishments get raided, gals deported, OKTs & Masseur/Spa owners get arrested and fined. So the question begets: Why can’t we legalise this side of the industry? The granting of licenses to brothels in SG was a Faustian bargain the SG govt did with the triads so that they may have a legal source of income rather than racketeering or drug trafficking. Why can’t we apply the same concept for the greyer parts of the vice trade?

The Govt needs to understand that people are no longer going to legal brothels as they are so many more options however illegal. Driving the industry underground was what got us all into this in the first place. If the KTVs and the lounges were legal, there would be contact tracing that would help in protecting the general population . Hell, we could even have ART kits in every room that all patrons have to take in order to gain entry to the premises. We can protect the girls, the workers as well as our families in the process.

With legalisation, we could

1. Set proper employment standards for the gals (So they don’t have to pay the crazy fees demanded by human traffickers or risk getting abused or getting tricked into the trade.)

2. We can “unionise” the gals so that everyone receives healthcare training to reduce the spread of diseases including STDs. These gals can also receive proper medical care & counselling from official agencies.

3. The govt can set aside specific zones for these KTVs or Massage parlors to exist and advise the property owners. That way landlords don’t get into trouble when for errant leaseholders (many of whom are just scapegoats)

4. The Tax revenue from these activities could be a boon for the IRS.

5. We can minimize the manpower requirements of the anti-vice unit as well as the attorney general office in prosecution efforts. Imagine instead of a raid, its just a routine check.

6. Gals also dun need to come here on a “visit visa” and overstay and end up everyone has to deal with that bullshit.

I understand that there is a moral dilemma in making such a progressive move as the Govt wants to keep the image of Singapore clean as well as the overtly holier-than-thou religious elements who would be opposed to this. However, in sweeping this under the rug for so many years, the hens have returned to roost in the form of our large covid outbreak last week, wrecking the whole F&B industry.

And this is where the reason for my open letter to Sammyboy & fellow Samsters. There is no other platform where patrons go in search for information and most of the OKTs are here anyway. Could we self-organise among ourselves to seek the govt solution to this? This Cat-&-Mouse game is essentially meaningless to satisfy a moral minority & frankly not very practical.

care to share how much losses u incurred

SammyLee88
30-07-2021, 11:06 AM
would appreciate sammyboy bos for creating this forum so we can express our opinion on this sensitive event...sex

SammyLee88
30-07-2021, 11:07 AM
i too admire his spirit because i know to build up a forum is really a hard things, need a lot pf patience

SammyLee88
30-07-2021, 11:09 AM
bros what i want to say is, do you think gahmen really so kum gong that they dunno all these KTV illegally operating, be it pre covid or now? They just keep one eye close, and follow the army style mantra, do anything but don't get caught.

in this way, they keep the religious zealots at bay by telling them "you see? i listened to you guys, they're all illegal!"

but at the same time they give themselves leeway by "allowing" them to operate under a tight leash via occasional raids to trim the flock

and now it exploded and all the lao aunties and our OCs at home all fanning the flames of the fire, gahmen of course need to step in. you see the news article, 400 over pivoted F&B establishments and on average only 2 were inspected per day!? that is gahment closing one eye liao.......

i eagerly await the day when singapore will open up a soi cowboy like thailand but we know it will never ever happen. but i do wonder, a deeply religious society like thailand who has an overwhelming number of buddhists and christians, how do they manage to open up soi cowboy without people revolting?

perhaps there is a way to do it, if not we will not have the voice freedom

SammyLee88
30-07-2021, 11:10 AM
I usually goes out to eat early morning so didn't realised what you wrote.

Thanks for sharing chinese 7 month soon.

Chinese 7 month I always at home, scare to go out

str33thawk
30-07-2021, 08:38 PM
Starts with Singaporean, Malaysian, then Thai Ger, PRCs,and now Vietnamese....who knows 10-15 years down the road... maybe got other girls from countries X Y Z!

Can't wait for eastern European workers to flood our country