Not illegal to use sexual services but can be named/shamed

[johnleee]

First time I've seen a name and shame of a patron.

https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/illegal-massage-outlet-owner-jailed-after-police-finds-masseuse-having-sex-customer


Investigations revealed that a 33-year-old man had made an appointment with the masseuse, Ms Chen Yu Die, through a text message after getting her mobile number from a website that advertised her services.

When the man, Mr Koh Chun Wee, went to the Serangoon outlet at about 1.30pm on March 12, 2019, he handed over S$50 to the receptionist for massage services. Ms Chen massaged his back for a brief moment before they had sex in a room.


So it looks like even though it's not illegal to use sexual services, your name if you cooperate in investigations can be printed in the papers for all to see.

Won't be surprise if this is indirect approach to try to clamp down on sexual services.. Not illegal but if the courts have your name, the reporter will print it big big.

[Cum700x]

What a clean country this is. Gonna take my all money n migrate in the not so distant future. Its so boring here.

[Mankok]

What a clean country this is. Gonna take my all money n migrate in the not so distant future. Its so boring here.

Boring, going migrate where? Aodaliya? PRC? Angmoh land? Yindu sthan? I'll bet you'll beg to come back.
But I agree mentioning customer's name in the newspaper has crossed a line...

[kombust]

like that nobody want to cooperate with police liao. cooperate also die, don't cooperate also die.

[hoya]

walau like that sabo.. F up.. what the point of shaming.
sibei sian keep on raiding on MP and FL.. geylang still not open.
no place to release.. might as well go up mountain be monk.

[Xgenre]

like that nobody want to cooperate with police liao. cooperate also die, don't cooperate also die.

What makes you think he cooperated with the Police? maybe he guai lan with them and kenna shamed as a result. The ML's name sound like You Die.

This place was operating quite openly. The girls were using wechat people nearby function to attract clients. May have attracted undercover policemen as a result.

[kombust]

What makes you think he cooperated with the Police? maybe he guai lan with them and kenna shamed as a result. The ML's name sound like You Die.

This place was operating quite openly. The girls were using wechat people nearby function to attract clients. May have attracted undercover policemen as a result.

well we wont know if he cooperated. but by shaming him, it discourages patrons from cooperating/patronizing generally.

lol use wechat nearby to get clients is suicide. cantonment so near.

[soonbeng]

I agree. The law is this oldest trade in the world is allowed in Singapore. But not allowed in spas, massage parlours, hair salons, bars, night clubs... The government has made the penalties much heavier. Big fines and imprisonment. I seen so many spas closed down and my favourite girls who work in spas disappear.

[Nottybear]

walau like that sabo.. F up.. what the point of shaming.
sibei sian keep on raiding on MP and FL.. geylang still not open.
no place to release.. might as well go up mountain be monk.


probably asked you get married since birth rates super low. at same time now wife can refused sex and you also cannot say anything.

might as well dont get married and cheong until you old

[Nottybear]

I agree. The law is this oldest trade in the world is allowed in Singapore. But not allowed in spas, massage parlours, hair salons, bars, night clubs... The government has made the penalties much heavier. Big fines and imprisonment. I seen so many spas closed down and my favourite girls who work in spas disappear.

very frustrating i know. the only way is hotels. but local fls charge so high. like half month salary for 1 hour session. best if you can convince the MLs to go hotel.

[loony]

its highly unusual as other source covering same news did not name the patron.

checked with some legal friends and their feedback.

In such cases, named witnesses can be made reference in news as these are public records.

Usually implicated like he tried to lie or cover up then later found out and so lan lan have to become material witness

[afterburn]

its highly unusual as other source covering same news did not name the patron.

checked with some legal friends and their feedback.

In such cases, named witnesses can be made reference in news as these are public records.

Usually implicated like he tried to lie or cover up then later found out and so lan lan have to become material witness

Maybe he had to attend the court case as witness that's why. It's highly unusual.

Contrast this with a recent case where a doctor was wrongfully accused of molest. Even after it was established that the accuser was not a victim and essentially committed perjury, but still a GAG ORDER prevents her from being identified.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/doctor-mount-elizabeth-molest-acquitted-yeo-sow-nam-2115606

WC is most powerful!

[Zeith]

First time I've seen a name and shame of a patron.

https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/illegal-massage-outlet-owner-jailed-after-police-finds-masseuse-having-sex-customer



So it looks like even though it's not illegal to use sexual services, your name if you cooperate in investigations can be printed in the papers for all to see.

Won't be surprise if this is indirect approach to try to clamp down on sexual services.. Not illegal but if the courts have your name, the reporter will print it big big.

walau like that sabo.. F up.. what the point of shaming.
sibei sian keep on raiding on MP and FL.. geylang still not open.
no place to release.. might as well go up mountain be monk.


upped you for exchange +11

[Naka_Timo]

Boring, going migrate where? Aodaliya? PRC? Angmoh land? Yindu sthan? I'll bet you'll beg to come back.
But I agree mentioning customer's name in the newspaper has crossed a line...

+144 or you to hit 1k point

[ripstop]

wow, that's an alarming development. the level of risk has gone up...

not sure if it's just me, but there seem to be more names and details in crime news articles nowadays.

[hoya]

dunno what gov want. keep raiding but still kept geylang closed
For people who kana sperms rushed to brain, nowhere to release.
sure will soon turn to molestation or raping. scary sia, especially for underage.

late LKY is smart. To fight illegal stuffs, he set up legal place to counter it. like gambling and geylang stable.

[69sex]

First time I've seen a name and shame of a patron.

So it looks like even though it's not illegal to use sexual services, your name if you cooperate in investigations can be printed in the papers for all to see.

Won't be surprise if this is indirect approach to try to clamp down on sexual services.. Not illegal but if the courts have your name, the reporter will print it big big.

Mr Koh was caught in the act while in his birthday suit? :D

So maybe he save $100 :confused: :D

[loneyheart]

Look what the cause after heavy raid on HC n SPA n lead to closed in the 90s ?
B4 tat never hear of FLs operating in HDB but now its all over
Now may be more to come

[Xgenre]

lol use wechat nearby to get clients is suicide. cantonment so near.

depends on whether she is PR or new Singapore citizen? If she is either, she is not afraid of getting deported. Getting caught is just a matter of changing shops with a small fine. Many Viet girls in FJ shops are holding pink ICs

They are open because they don't want to attract guys who are out for massage with HJ. Waste their time. Guys like me also don't want to go to FJ shops when I am just looking for massage with hj. So when I ask them how much money I need to bring along in wechat, some ML openly say $150 everything also can.

[Newbieshag]

what if caught in the act during police raid , but argue that the ml is gf or mistress . Can this help to get off the hook ?

[afterburn]

what if caught in the act during police raid , but argue that the ml is gf or mistress . Can this help to get off the hook ?

Can. But you may have to continue your argument in the courts if they don't believe you :D

[Garfoo]

what if caught in the act during police raid , but argue that the ml is gf or mistress . Can this help to get off the hook ?

Cannot lah. There are some conditions or requirements for the registration of MP as a business, which is to use the facilities for massage only. If this kind of reason can get one off the hook, the MPs will be operating like love hotels. My humble views.

[Newbieshag]

Lol 😝 can say that BF visit GF workplace but 欲火焚身,情不自禁😂

[Shiofukis]

Usually AV don’t name the customer unless he guai lan! They will hoax customers that the masseuse had indeed offered sexual services for monetary rewards and be witness after signing a letter. If u try to be hero, good luck to you :p

[Pj90210]

Wondering why they don't have early warning system in place.
Can prostate care be defined as HJ? Pretty subjective

[peeboy75]

I had the unfortunate experience of being caught in a raid a few months back when I was chionging dome 2, and thankfully, I lived to play another day. So this info is right from the horses' mouth.
The bros who said don't be guai lan and tell the truth are right. To tell you the truth, some AV are actually quite nice. I remembered there was an older probably more senior officer who winked at me and told me "we are all men.. I understand why you are here, but we have a job to do and so just tell us the truth". It is actually the younger kar kia officers that will appear more fierce and try to intimidate you. All you have to do is to stand your ground, know your rights that you have not committed any crime but speak the truth so that they can just conclude the case quickly. That can help you a lot. The worst is the case drags on to court and then you have to be called to be witness. There is when the reporters will get you know about you. A lot of people blame AV but actually they are not the ones that leak out the names.. Reporters will have their ways once the case goes up to court.

[TheTrader2359]

You can choose not to be witness right? Being a witness is a waste of time. No benefits.

[peeboy75]

You can choose not to be witness right? Being a witness is a waste of time. No benefits.


Ah hia... When the court order, or subpoena comes, you think you can refuse? If you don't go then it will really become a crime and charged under contempt of court. Its all listed in the govt websites...

[Moreliver]

I had the unfortunate experience of being caught in a raid a few months back when I was chionging dome 2, and thankfully, I lived to play another day. So this info is right from the horses' mouth.
The bros who said don't be guai lan and tell the truth are right. To tell you the truth, some AV are actually quite nice. I remembered there was an older probably more senior officer who winked at me and told me "we are all men.. I understand why you are here, but we have a job to do and so just tell us the truth". It is actually the younger kar kia officers that will appear more fierce and try to intimidate you. All you have to do is to stand your ground, know your rights that you have not committed any crime but speak the truth so that they can just conclude the case quickly. That can help you a lot. The worst is the case drags on to court and then you have to be called to be witness. There is when the reporters will get you know about you. A lot of people blame AV but actually they are not the ones that leak out the names.. Reporters will have their ways once the case goes up to court.


How it happen? They just break door while u fj/hj? did you hav any clue before? how long was whole ordeal?

[loudexhaust]

I had the unfortunate experience of being caught in a raid a few months back when I was chionging dome 2, and thankfully, I lived to play another day. So this info is right from the horses' mouth.
The bros who said don't be guai lan and tell the truth are right. To tell you the truth, some AV are actually quite nice. I remembered there was an older probably more senior officer who winked at me and told me "we are all men.. I understand why you are here, but we have a job to do and so just tell us the truth". It is actually the younger kar kia officers that will appear more fierce and try to intimidate you. All you have to do is to stand your ground, know your rights that you have not committed any crime but speak the truth so that they can just conclude the case quickly. That can help you a lot. The worst is the case drags on to court and then you have to be called to be witness. There is when the reporters will get you know about you. A lot of people blame AV but actually they are not the ones that leak out the names.. Reporters will have their ways once the case goes up to court.

Thanks for sharing bro. My questions is when you "tell the truth", what is the truth? The truth that you are there for a massage? Or the truth that you are there for a massage and expecting a hj?

[Dulex]

I had the unfortunate experience of being caught in a raid a few months back when I was chionging dome 2, and thankfully, I lived to play another day. So this info is right from the horses' mouth.
The bros who said don't be guai lan and tell the truth are right. To tell you the truth, some AV are actually quite nice. I remembered there was an older probably more senior officer who winked at me and told me "we are all men.. I understand why you are here, but we have a job to do and so just tell us the truth". It is actually the younger kar kia officers that will appear more fierce and try to intimidate you. All you have to do is to stand your ground, know your rights that you have not committed any crime but speak the truth so that they can just conclude the case quickly. That can help you a lot. The worst is the case drags on to court and then you have to be called to be witness. There is when the reporters will get you know about you. A lot of people blame AV but actually they are not the ones that leak out the names.. Reporters will have their ways once the case goes up to court.

This was my same experience. The officer was actually really nice. Just told me we are not interested in you, but just the girls. If you cooperate, nothing is going to happen to you. In my case, I was literally on my stomach getting a proper massage when they banged on the door and said "open up police" and followed by "now!". The girl quickly ran to the door opened it up, was escorted out of the room, and the officer came in to talk to me. Interview lasted for 20 mins, and I was on my way. Never heard anything about it again.

[CheongingEdge]

This was my same experience. The officer was actually really nice. Just told me we are not interested in you, but just the girls. If you cooperate, nothing is going to happen to you. In my case, I was literally on my stomach getting a proper massage when they banged on the door and said "open up police" and followed by "now!". The girl quickly ran to the door opened it up, was escorted out of the room, and the officer came in to talk to me. Interview lasted for 20 mins, and I was on my way. Never heard anything about it again.

You got lucky and action haven't start yet, or that place only clean massage? Dunno if can ask for refund from shop if 60 mins not up yet :D

[peeboy75]

Well, I wasn't that lucky. As I said I was chionging dome 2 FL and not MP. So I was already banging her halfway when the police came. Can't really deny anything, lol.. Especially with a condom still attached on me... haha.. so funny now when I think of it... Fucking dumb housemate was the one who let them into the apartment, then I think Av forced her to knock on the room of our room and called her. When I heard her, I immediately thought "siao liao.. Something is up".. No housemate will interrupt a session for no good reason... True enough, when the FL I was banging went to open the door, the officers forced their way in and apprehended her.
Funny thing was that when they saw me the officers looked very apologetic, some also looked as though they actually don't want me here as it will mean extra work for them to interview me and take statement etc.. After about 45mins of taking my Statement, I was free to go. Good thing is I haven't paid so I literally banged her for free lol..
My take is that if it is MP, then ya.. I think can maybe just say you are here for massage and nothing else, but provided that the ML also hasn't offered you GQ and you haven't accepted... For FL, no way you can deny..

[Xgenre]

If the ML and you can get along, always make it a habit to ask for her wechat. It helps you find her if she suddenly change to another MP. For the regulars, we can book their time via wechat. Of course if she blocks out her time according to your desired time slot, make it a point to really turn up and be on time.

Today I found another use of keeping in touch. Messaged my regular ML to try to book a time. She told me not to come until things are more settled. There are many checks these days. The Covid cases are more than 1900 cases yesterday. Government is quite on the ball in checking if safe distancing measures are followed. The frequent checks had spooked the MP owners.

These MP owners don't want their ML to get caught giving HJs and then the MP end up losing the license. It has been harder for some MPs to renew their license. So what happened was the MP owners started checking very frequently. Better for the ladies to get caught by the MP owners than safe distancing ambassadors right?

So my ML told me these few days, regardless of what massage package you take up ($58, $68 or $88), there is unlikely to have any extras for her MP at least. So she asked me not to come as I will be disappointed if it is just a clean massage session. I suspect it will be so for many other MPs.

[loneyheart]

Thanks for sharing bro. My questions is when you "tell the truth", what is the truth? The truth that you are there for a massage? Or the truth that you are there for a massage and expecting a hj?

The truth ....
If u had received the svc tell them u had received the svc
If offered n not started the svc tell then oso
If u have not been offer then tell them too n added may will offer but NOT no time as only started to msg n AV bang in :p
No pt try cover for the ML as she will be ask the same Q in another room n nom she will admit then u get yrself into trouble

The truth ...
AV interest is the ML not u
But pls cooperate with them to end their job

Nom AV will tell u tat u may ask to help as witness after u sign their report
But nom yr case will be closed as ML will cooperated with them too

So .... don't be a hero ... don't kwai lan
Most by all mean try speak English to them even nom they will try to talk to u by Chinese or Hokkien :p

[lustygrandmas]

Been seeing a lot of these raids lately,

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/2-spa-owners-charged-over-masseuses-providing-sex-services-2191446

Hahah at least we know the bros mentioned in this article never kena carrot chop LOL

[Heartlandlover]

Actually I think these kana raid one is the bosses nvr network with the right ppl. Some shop do extended hrs, back door, HJ and BJ for 1 to 2 yrs also no issue. Somemore change different batch of girls regularly if the ML is no good.
Choose good shop also important.

[absurdit]

To tell you the truth, some AV are actually quite nice. I remembered there was an older probably more senior officer who winked at me and told me "we are all men.. I understand why you are here, but we have a job to do and so just tell us the truth". It is actually the younger kar kia officers that will appear more fierce and try to intimidate yo.

Its classic good cop bad cop. It works with anyone who has something to lose if the case goes side ways.
Nevertheless, with so much e-trails, it is not wise to cook up stories with officers.

thanks for sharing

[junmin95]

Boring, going migrate where? Aodaliya? PRC? Angmoh land? Yindu sthan? I'll bet you'll beg to come back.
But I agree mentioning customer's name in the newspaper has crossed a line...

Melbourne / Sydney massage scene more havoc than ours.

[zip4671]

First time I've seen a name and shame of a patron.

https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/illegal-massage-outlet-owner-jailed-after-police-finds-masseuse-having-sex-customer



So it looks like even though it's not illegal to use sexual services, your name if you cooperate in investigations can be printed in the papers for all to see.

Won't be surprise if this is indirect approach to try to clamp down on sexual services.. Not illegal but if the courts have your name, the reporter will print it big big.

Senior bro, now SG more open up post-Covid ... wondering any update on related topics as I saw a similar thread in the Geylang Forum...

https://www.samsforum.com/showthread.php?t=944540

https://mothership.sg/2023/06/geylan...aid-june-2023/

The video
A video of the raid was circulated on TikTok by user shenzhensg, the next day (Jun. 13).