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zhutou12
09-08-2008, 10:04 AM
First of all, Happy National Day to all Bros/Samsters and Senior Samsters....:D

Info. found in the net and just like to share with you guys...
Perhaps we should try to cut down having it.... IMHO:)

Eating a half serving a day of soy-based foods could be enough to significantly lower a man's sperm count...:eek:

The study is the largest in humans to look at the relationship between semen quality and a plant form of the female sex hormone estrogen known as phytoestrogen, which is plentiful in soy-rich foods.

"What we found was men that consume the highest amounts of soy foods in this study had a lower sperm concentration compared to those who did not consume soy foods," said Dr. Jorge Chavarro of the Harvard School of Public Health in Boston, whose study appears in the journal Human Reproduction.

"It was a relatively large difference," Chavarro said in a telephone interview.

Chavarro said studies in animals have linked high consumption of plant-derived estrogens known as isoflavones with infertility, but so far there has been little evidence of their effect in humans.

"We wanted to know if it would affect sperm production and could serve as a marker for the effects on the reproductive system," Chavarro said.

STRIKING DIFFERENCE

Chavarro's team analyzed the intake of 15 soy-based foods in 99 men who went to a fertility clinic between 2000 and 2006.

They were asked how much and how often in the prior three months they had eaten soy-rich foods including: tofu, tempeh, tofu or soy sausages, bacon, burgers and mince, soy milk, cheese, yogurt and ice cream, and other soy products such drinks, powders and energy bars.

Because different foods have different levels of isoflavones in them, the researchers set a standard for serving sizes of particular foods. Then they divided the men into groups according to soy consumption levels. Men in the highest group on average ate half a serving per day.

"In terms of their isoflavone content that is comparable to having one cup of soy milk or one serving of tofu, tempeh or soy burgers every other day," Chavarro said.

The difference was striking. Men in the highest intake category had 41 million sperm per milliliter less than men who ate no soy foods. A normal sperm count ranges from 80 million and 120 million per milliliter, and a sperm count of 20 million per milliliter or below is considered low.

"It suggests soy foods could have some deleterious effect on the reproductive system and especially on sperm production," Chavarro said.

The researchers found the association between soy foods and lower sperm count was stronger in overweight men, which might suggest hormones are playing a role.

"Men who are overweight or obese tend to have higher levels of androgen-produced estrogen. They are converting a male hormone into a female hormone in their fat. The more body fat you have, the more estrogen you produce in your fat," Chavarro said.

Chavarro said the study was not sufficient to suggest that soy intake would have health implications such as inducing infertility. Much bigger studies would be needed to answer that question, he said.

Bodhisattva
09-08-2008, 10:31 AM
Time to cut down on say based foods ir the write up is true.

y68708903
09-08-2008, 01:40 PM
hey bros,
could be right, seen a few links as below saying or proving too...any comments to add

cheers!


Soy, not so good for men?Soy, not so good for men? Taking supplements of soy isoflavones, ... Subscribe to Other Decision News Media E-newsletters - Food, Beverage & Nutrition ...
Soy, not so good for men? - Research - NutraIngredients - Food, Beverage & Nutrition - Publications - Decision News Media (http://www.nutraingredients.com/news/ng.asp?n=51806-soy-not-so)


BBC NEWS | Health | Soy foods 'reduce sperm numbers'23 Jul 2008 ... A regular diet of even modest amounts of food containing soy may halve ... the average of men who ate on average a portion of soy-based food ...
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7519459.stm


Soy-Eating Men Have Fewer Sperm | The News is NowPublic.com23 Jul 2008 ... It's good stuff. Well, may save of the cost of contraceptives! Eat Soy if you do not want children, now there is an add campaign! ...
Soy-Eating Men Have Fewer Sperm | The News is NowPublic.com (http://www.nowpublic.com/health/soy-eating-men-have-fewer-sperm)


Soy Foods Are Associated With Lower Sperm Concentrations24 Jul 2008 ... Men who eat an average of half a serving of soy food a day have lower concentrations of sperm than men who do not eat soy foods.
Soy Foods Are Associated With Lower Sperm Concentrations (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080723201241.htm)


Soy sourced to seeds of men's infertility28 Jul 2008 ... "Our findings suggest that the greater the soy food intake is, ... got an already low sperm count ... soy foods are probably not a good idea ...
Soy sourced to seeds of men's infertility (http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2008-07/28/content_6880674.htm)

deptrai4u
10-08-2008, 11:46 AM
One day in China, i was even told the story about Tofu. You know, in China there is a story behind every chinese characters as well as each dish... either this dish was first "invented" for a certain Emperor's birthday or to mark an occasion.. and about the Tofu.. its was meant for the Shaolin monks! Each more tofu to suppress sex urge!

zhutou12
12-08-2008, 06:57 PM
hey bros,
could be right, seen a few links as below saying or proving too...any comments to add

cheers!



Thks bro for ur informative links.:)
rPerhaps should refrain from consume too much soy foods then...

One day in China, i was even told the story about Tofu. You know, in China there is a story behind every chinese characters as well as each dish... either this dish was first "invented" for a certain Emperor's birthday or to mark an occasion.. and about the Tofu.. its was meant for the Shaolin monks! Each more tofu to suppress sex urge!

No wonder their endurance (di li) so good... just joking:D

3kingdom
12-08-2008, 08:09 PM
Cut down.....if not, my sex life, mut cut down

SBF Cleaner
12-08-2008, 08:18 PM
but today's newspaper,there is a report that soy based foods is good for women.
those women who ate a serving of soya bean curd or drank a glass of soya bean milk everyday,cut the risk of developing breast cancer.

so seem that soya based foods is good for women and bad for men.

sexybackk
12-08-2008, 08:27 PM
the next question will then be... what food to increase sperm count? :D

MakeYouWet
12-08-2008, 08:35 PM
Is this article reliable? Is it taken from a hospital/health/medical site?

hotsoup16
12-08-2008, 10:56 PM
hmm.. I think I better start consuming more of them cos my wifey is trying to get herself pregrant again with our third child:D

roll3r
13-08-2008, 02:14 AM
better stop eating.....for myself. I haven't had offsprings! :D

zhutou12
14-08-2008, 10:44 AM
but today's newspaper,there is a report that soy based foods is good for women.
those women who ate a serving of soya bean curd or drank a glass of soya bean milk everyday,cut the risk of developing breast cancer.

so seem that soya based foods is good for women and bad for men.

Soy based foods have a double-edged sword becoz it is good for woman....
Also drink milk to replenish their breast milk:D

There is another debate. See below link.

http://www.sammyboyforum.com/2972745-post1.html

Cited in the above link, "The highest soyfood intake produced more ejaculate fluid volume with equivalent amounts of sperm count.":)

spinner_kl
14-08-2008, 11:18 AM
the next question will then be... what food to increase sperm count? :D

friends, secret recipe...
Ginseng slices steam BLACK CHICKEN fo 2 hours. twice or thrice a month. You find ' sui toto ' plenty of water to shoot.

Also there is Phamaton?? with Ginseng. More water, more syiok for men...

The soup may pop a boy for you..but if you protein leak...many bubble as you urinate, then better go check up. Protein leak course your valve inside loose, cannot conserve, may be fark too much before marry...

//

borom
14-08-2008, 11:22 AM
hmm.. I think I better start consuming more.... cos my wifey is trying to get herself pregrant again...:D

Good idea, soya as a natural contraceptive for men. :)