Mindset of KTV girls

[benjm85]

Lets talk about KTV girls. I understand they are here to earn as much money as possible. But I am curious how they can condition themselves to entertain different guys on a daily basis. I mean they are also human and have emotions too right? What if they do fall in love with one of the customers? Do they still continue to ply this trade?

Have you ever know of any ktv girls who solely just drink and play games without any extra?

[cuscorex92]

just like some men, tout they met the love of their life in the entertainment industry, got betrayed, will conditioned themslv its all ‘逢场作戏’.

[Pictionary]

Towkay lapsap ktv girls, chiu me workers. Before start to care ktv girls, no more rice left. Ktv girls to feed you for life?
Yandao white knight where looks and pai lang talking matters the most?

Dun understand, please watch ekin cheng again. Still blur, watch again. Dun come here asking neverending questions. Ppl need to sleep soundly also.

[pumpypump]

They just see it as any other work, a means to an end, a way to make money to pay bills, nothing more. They are not looking for love at work. If you see any feelings or emotions, it's probably just acting. If they do actually fall in love with someone, they will probably quit being a girl, become an assistant mommy, or do something else. At the end of the day, they will try to forget whatever they did back then and move forward in life.

Lets talk about KTV girls. I understand they are here to earn as much money as possible. But I am curious how they can condition themselves to entertain different guys on a daily basis. I mean they are also human and have emotions too right? What if they do fall in love with one of the customers? Do they still continue to ply this trade?

Have you ever know of any ktv girls who solely just drink and play games without any extra?

[benjm85]

They just see it as any other work, a means to an end, a way to make money to pay bills, nothing more. They are not looking for love at work. If you see any feelings or emotions, it's probably just acting. If they do actually fall in love with someone, they will probably quit being a girl, become an assistant mommy, or do something else. At the end of the day, they will try to forget whatever they did back then and move forward in life.

I have a viet gf for one year when she came to work at ktv one year ago.
Been to her house, see her parents, her friends, her family and all. Felt that she is genuine and serious in the relationship.
But recently she said she wants to come back again to work ktv. Reason is of cos money. I told her I don’t like her come back work ktv, but i also can’t afford to feed her. Feeling damn sian..

[meshpenstand]

Lets talk about KTV girls. I understand they are here to earn as much money as possible. But I am curious how they can condition themselves to entertain different guys on a daily basis. I mean they are also human and have emotions too right? What if they do fall in love with one of the customers? Do they still continue to ply this trade?

Have you ever know of any ktv girls who solely just drink and play games without any extra?

Truth is, they do fall in love. But the temptation of money is too much. If you can provide, good. Maybe, she will lay off coming back to work. But you see the Rolex, Balenciaga, chanel they wear... You can afford, and you want to find those working in ktv?

[fallen11]

I have a viet gf for one year when she came to work at ktv one year ago.
Been to her house, see her parents, her friends, her family and all. Felt that she is genuine and serious in the relationship.
But recently she said she wants to come back again to work ktv. Reason is of cos money. I told her I don’t like her come back work ktv, but i also can’t afford to feed her. Feeling damn sian..

wah lau you have a standby free fuck from ktv, what more do you want?
just keep her as free fuck
meanwhile find a more serious and better one

[pumpypump]

Dunno what to say. Maybe she doesn't love you enough to give up all the money. Maybe she has money problems. Maybe she knows that you are not going to marry her (because you are already married) and cannot give her the financial security she needs so she needs to take care of herself and make as much money as she can while she still has her youth and beauty.

I have a viet gf for one year when she came to work at ktv one year ago.
Been to her house, see her parents, her friends, her family and all. Felt that she is genuine and serious in the relationship.
But recently she said she wants to come back again to work ktv. Reason is of cos money. I told her I don’t like her come back work ktv, but i also can’t afford to feed her. Feeling damn sian..

[benjm85]

Dunno what to say. Maybe she doesn't love you enough to give up all the money. Maybe she has money problems. Maybe she knows that you are not going to marry her (because you are already married) and cannot give her the financial security she needs so she needs to take care of herself and make as much money as she can while she still has her youth and beauty.

Probably..well I just ranting nia. The feeling quite sucky when come to think of her getting humsup in ktv and all. But I guess since she chosen money is her choice ba. Yes I am married so I can’t marry her too.

[pumpypump]

Probably..well I just ranting nia. The feeling quite sucky when come to think of her getting humsup in ktv and all. But I guess since she chosen money is her choice ba. Yes I am married so I can’t marry her too.

What would you have done if you were in her shoes? You cannot give her money or certainty. You cannot be her one person, you expect her to be exclusive to you? I know it sucks but she's just looking out for herself.

[benjm85]

What would you have done if you were in her shoes? You cannot give her money or certainty. You cannot be her one person, you expect her to be exclusive to you? I know it sucks but she's just looking out for herself.

True..thanks for the advice bro. I guess I am selfish and want to have her for myself.

[Penguin23]

Lets talk about KTV girls. I understand they are here to earn as much money as possible. But I am curious how they can condition themselves to entertain different guys on a daily basis. I mean they are also human and have emotions too right? What if they do fall in love with one of the customers? Do they still continue to ply this trade?

Have you ever know of any ktv girls who solely just drink and play games without any extra?

As a couple of other bros have said, KTV girls are human too. They yearn for love, just like other normal girls but they are above all very realistic about what they need to do at work, and their mummies will tell them to always separate work from personal life.

Having been in a steady relationship with an ex-KTV girl for the last 5 years, I can say that coming to a place like Singapore to work and earn money is a rite of passage for many girls who are all in need of money. True, they don't come here specifically looking for love, but many want it - and if the right person presents himself, they will give the relationship a shot. Yes, there are many ex-KTV girls that I know who decide to "try out" working in a KTV on their social visit pass, purely to sit and play cards, without humsup - they quickly find out that they are not cut out for the work, and so they quit and never return.


For you and your viet "gf" - you need to ask yourself a tough question. Given that you are already married and I assume your girl isn't, what sort of future do you foresee for you and her?

More seriously, do you really understand her motivations for coming back? How much money does she really hope to make, and what does she want to do after that? If she doesn't share the answers to these questions with you, she is not your gf.

I have a close bro who is married and now maintaining his (unmarried) ex-KTV girl in Vietnam. She lives a normal life, runs a small business and is perfectly happy with her life and her current existence. He considers himself lucky to have met her, and I think they are both fated to meet each other and be together, even it if is only for a few days per month.

I have a similar arrangement, though I am no longer married so for me it is a lot easier to just fly over to see my gf whenever I want. My ex-KTV girl gf was an ang pai at Lido, so her earning power was substantial, yet she chose to quit nightlife on her own accord and to move back to Vietnam. Throughout my relationship with her, I have also abstained from sex with other women and she knows it (and appreciates it).

So there's my final tip for you - for KTV girls, short-term relationships that don't last are the norm. How are you different from her many customers? If you can answer that question, you have a chance of having a serious relationship with the girl. If you don't, and are just looking to reserve her for yourself without regard for her needs, then I think you know what the outcome will be.

All the best

[ILoveV]

I think the ktv scene before and after covid is very different.

last time, before covid, a lot of lao jiao girls from thai and china. everywhere also the same. if u dont let customer humsup, you soon out of job or customers. too much competition

then suddenly covid come. china girls dried up because kena restricted to come into singapore. Many girls also go back china and cannot come back. Same for thai girls.

suddenly our ktv only left with viet girls. and alot of new viet girls come in and even before they work, ktv kena closed. they stuck here on social visit pass. Keep renewing. No need apply s pass. Work in pubs and restaurants just sitting with customers to drink and play games. because open space, less hanky panky.

Suddenly this become norm. After covid, got two groups of girls. One like last time, can hum sup and short time. Got one group only can drink and play games. Some local girls also join in because they see can just drink and play games. Then some in between, can hum sup a bit and a bit of short time if they like. But not like last time. All can hum sup and eve fuck inside the room.

TS girl seem to be the new set of viet girls. Got chance only drink and play games because I see a few already. Some I give huge money also dont let me hum sup. Some just dont go short time, especially those with bf.

I got a viet gf who worked a while in ktv too. I learn from her that viet girls can be very stubborn. If they got bf, they will not short time unless they are not serious and just playing the guys only. Those serious one will not short time because they want to be loyal to their bf. Their friends circle very small so words will spread. They dont like people to say they not loyal to their boyfriend if they serious about him.

But not easy. Sometimes is us guys who will always imagine they will be doing funny things behind us. I last time always think like that. I know some viet ktv girls with boyfriends. I know some of the boyfriends. I keep using money to want to short time them but some just cannot

[fallen11]

I think the ktv scene before and after covid is very different.

last time, before covid, a lot of lao jiao girls from thai and china. everywhere also the same. if u dont let customer humsup, you soon out of job or customers. too much competition

then suddenly covid come. china girls dried up because kena restricted to come into singapore. Many girls also go back china and cannot come back. Same for thai girls.

suddenly our ktv only left with viet girls. and alot of new viet girls come in and even before they work, ktv kena closed. they stuck here on social visit pass. Keep renewing. No need apply s pass. Work in pubs and restaurants just sitting with customers to drink and play games. because open space, less hanky panky.

Suddenly this become norm. After covid, got two groups of girls. One like last time, can hum sup and short time. Got one group only can drink and play games. Some local girls also join in because they see can just drink and play games. Then some in between, can hum sup a bit and a bit of short time if they like. But not like last time. All can hum sup and eve fuck inside the room.


it because like this because most customers allowed them to
customers are the ones treating this new practice as the new norm, so it really became the norm

double tip + cant humsap
what for?
might as well stay at home and pcc, save money and more enjoyable
go and find fling for free fuck is even easier than having a truly fun time in ktv nowadays. thats why i stopped going altogether
worse, some mamasans actually limit the "playing" level with customers. they the ones who wanted to "hang their girls up to sell" in such cases.

[ILoveV]

it because like this because most customers allowed them to
customers are the ones treating this new practice as the new norm, so it really became the norm

double tip + cant humsap
what for?
might as well stay at home and pcc, save money and more enjoyable
go and find fling for free fuck is even easier than having a truly fun time in ktv nowadays. thats why i stopped going altogether
worse, some mamasans actually limit the "playing" level with customers. they the ones who wanted to "hang their girls up to sell" in such cases.

agree bro. I also cut down going ktv nowadays.

But i replying more to TS. Think he more worried about his girl being humsup in ktv. so want to share my thinking with him.

[benjm85]

As a couple of other bros have said, KTV girls are human too. They yearn for love, just like other normal girls but they are above all very realistic about what they need to do at work, and their mummies will tell them to always separate work from personal life.

Having been in a steady relationship with an ex-KTV girl for the last 5 years, I can say that coming to a place like Singapore to work and earn money is a rite of passage for many girls who are all in need of money. True, they don't come here specifically looking for love, but many want it - and if the right person presents himself, they will give the relationship a shot. Yes, there are many ex-KTV girls that I know who decide to "try out" working in a KTV on their social visit pass, purely to sit and play cards, without humsup - they quickly find out that they are not cut out for the work, and so they quit and never return.


For you and your viet "gf" - you need to ask yourself a tough question. Given that you are already married and I assume your girl isn't, what sort of future do you foresee for you and her?

More seriously, do you really understand her motivations for coming back? How much money does she really hope to make, and what does she want to do after that? If she doesn't share the answers to these questions with you, she is not your gf.

I have a close bro who is married and now maintaining his (unmarried) ex-KTV girl in Vietnam. She lives a normal life, runs a small business and is perfectly happy with her life and her current existence. He considers himself lucky to have met her, and I think they are both fated to meet each other and be together, even it if is only for a few days per month.

I have a similar arrangement, though I am no longer married so for me it is a lot easier to just fly over to see my gf whenever I want. My ex-KTV girl gf was an ang pai at Lido, so her earning power was substantial, yet she chose to quit nightlife on her own accord and to move back to Vietnam. Throughout my relationship with her, I have also abstained from sex with other women and she knows it (and appreciates it).

So there's my final tip for you - for KTV girls, short-term relationships that don't last are the norm. How are you different from her many customers? If you can answer that question, you have a chance of having a serious relationship with the girl. If you don't, and are just looking to reserve her for yourself without regard for her needs, then I think you know what the outcome will be.

All the best

Thanks bro for your advice.
Yes I am married and she understands it is hard for me to get a divorce due to kids. She is ok to remain the current relationship with me as she knows I am also having some marital issues with my wife.

She wants to come back to work ktv to earn more money while she still has the looks and beauty, to save up enough money to set up a shop in hcm. She has been sharing with me her plans on what is her plan and the estimated budget for the business. She also say that it is easier for us to meet if she can stay in singapore long term, as currently she is flying over once a month to meet. (Hard for me to fly over as I am married)

Her 1st stint working in ktv was last year under a 6 months WP, and that was how I get to know her. She frankly told me that she is here to look for lao kong as her cousin successfully found one here and is happily married 😆

I did not reveal the fact that I am married during the 1st 6 months together, and she had the impression that I will marry her. After she knew I am married, she was alittle shock and upset that I lied to her. But she say she can’t bear to give up the relationship.

[pumpypump]

Thanks bro for your advice.
Yes I am married and she understands it is hard for me to get a divorce due to kids. She is ok to remain the current relationship with me as she knows I am also having some marital issues with my wife.

She wants to come back to work ktv to earn more money while she still has the looks and beauty, to save up enough money to set up a shop in hcm. She has been sharing with me her plans on what is her plan and the estimated budget for the business. She also say that it is easier for us to meet if she can stay in singapore long term, as currently she is flying over once a month to meet. (Hard for me to fly over as I am married)

Her 1st stint working in ktv was last year under a 6 months WP, and that was how I get to know her. She frankly told me that she is here to look for lao kong as her cousin successfully found one here and is happily married 😆

I did not reveal the fact that I am married during the 1st 6 months together, and she had the impression that I will marry her. After she knew I am married, she was alittle shock and upset that I lied to her. But she say she can’t bear to give up the relationship.

Most want to marry a Singaporean so that they can apply for long-term pass to stay and work in Singapore.

After 6 months WP, they need to wait for a year before they apply for WP again. Coming to Singapore monthly on a social visit is not a long-term solution as Singapore immigration will ask questions and might deny entry.

I guess she can choose to work in KTV but don't go out with customers. Still can earn quite a bit.

[ryanng2020]

Thanks bro for your advice.
Yes I am married and she understands it is hard for me to get a divorce due to kids. She is ok to remain the current relationship with me as she knows I am also having some marital issues with my wife.

She wants to come back to work ktv to earn more money while she still has the looks and beauty, to save up enough money to set up a shop in hcm. She has been sharing with me her plans on what is her plan and the estimated budget for the business. She also say that it is easier for us to meet if she can stay in singapore long term, as currently she is flying over once a month to meet. (Hard for me to fly over as I am married)

Her 1st stint working in ktv was last year under a 6 months WP, and that was how I get to know her. She frankly told me that she is here to look for lao kong as her cousin successfully found one here and is happily married 😆

I did not reveal the fact that I am married during the 1st 6 months together, and she had the impression that I will marry her. After she knew I am married, she was alittle shock and upset that I lied to her. But she say she can’t bear to give up the relationship.

Many women use marriage to get other benefits. Might think twice before leaving the real wife for ktv ladies. Peace out ✌️

[benjm85]

Many women use marriage to get other benefits. Might think twice before leaving the real wife for ktv ladies. Peace out ✌️

Understand bro. I also don’t think I will leave my current wife of 12 years. But now my heart has feelings for 2 girls, and this is the first time I had fall in love with another girl other than my wife. I had been chionging for many years and understand the danger of being KC by KTV girls, but I can say that she is different from the typical ktv girls. After getting to know her for past 1 year, knowing her family and friends and seeing how she treats her them, I can see she is a genuine person.
I don’t know how our future will leads to, but she tell me as long I don’t give up, she will also not give up. I have told her to find another guy who can marry her and give her a future, but she say it is not easy to love someone else once she already love someone. I also don’t know what she thinking as i can’t marry her also or give her money.
I am also quite touched by her effort to fly over once a month to spend time with me, knowing it is difficult for me to fly over due to my family.

[Penguin23]

Thanks bro for your advice.
Yes I am married and she understands it is hard for me to get a divorce due to kids. She is ok to remain the current relationship with me as she knows I am also having some marital issues with my wife.

She wants to come back to work ktv to earn more money while she still has the looks and beauty, to save up enough money to set up a shop in hcm. She has been sharing with me her plans on what is her plan and the estimated budget for the business. She also say that it is easier for us to meet if she can stay in singapore long term, as currently she is flying over once a month to meet. (Hard for me to fly over as I am married)

Her 1st stint working in ktv was last year under a 6 months WP, and that was how I get to know her. She frankly told me that she is here to look for lao kong as her cousin successfully found one here and is happily married 😆

I did not reveal the fact that I am married during the 1st 6 months together, and she had the impression that I will marry her. After she knew I am married, she was alittle shock and upset that I lied to her. But she say she can’t bear to give up the relationship.

Your gf already told you, that she is in Singapore hoping for a relationship with a view to marriage.

Do you understand what this really means? I may be over-thinking here, but having been involved with a few Viet girls and knowing some basic Viet (and thankful to have a great Viet tuition teacher!), let me probably share some cultural lessons which I learnt the hard way. I wish I knew some of these things earlier on in my relationship(s), which would have saved me much heartache.

If your gf thinks in Viet, but speaks in English (the huge majority of them do), the choice of words carry a lot of meaning. Viet is a high-context language, vs English which is a low-context language. English speakers seldom need to infer "hidden" meanings behind the words used because the explicit meaning is contained in the word choice. Viets communicate differently, their language has a much smaller vocabulary so they communicate the nuances in meaning through context, and not through word choice. Viets are very comfortable using words with a high level of ambiguity, expecting the recipient to consider the context and infer the "true meaning" of what they really want to say. If you ever see two Viets chat with each other, it is like watching people speak a variant of Hanyu Pinyin - very very short words, but full of meaning and context. This key difference in communication method, is one of the main sources of misunderstandings between Viet/SG couples.

To put it bluntly - your gf is telling you that she wants a husband. Women who have that wish, usually never give up on that hope. They want a husband, kids, a normal family. Meaning, she will always be on the lookout for suitable guy(s), and from time to time when someone suitable walks into her life, she will go for several "test drives" and you will find yourself having a "gf" who is fucking someone else.

If you are holding on to this relationship in the slim hope that she will accept the "compromise" which is you - then you must emotionally accept the fact that one day she will leave. Unless you are willing to have a kid with her, and support her financially (which you already indicated, that you can't).

Sorry to be so pessimistic, but these are inconvenient truths and it is better to highlight and face the reality - better the ugly truth than the beautiful lie

All the best

[benjm85]

Your gf already told you, that she is in Singapore hoping for a relationship with a view to marriage.

Do you understand what this really means? I may be over-thinking here, but having been involved with a few Viet girls and knowing some basic Viet (and thankful to have a great Viet tuition teacher!), let me probably share some cultural lessons which I learnt the hard way. I wish I knew some of these things earlier on in my relationship(s), which would have saved me much heartache.

If your gf thinks in Viet, but speaks in English (the huge majority of them do), the choice of words carry a lot of meaning. Viet is a high-context language, vs English which is a low-context language. English speakers seldom need to infer "hidden" meanings behind the words used because the explicit meaning is contained in the word choice. Viets communicate differently, their language has a much smaller vocabulary so they communicate the nuances in meaning through context, and not through word choice. Viets are very comfortable using words with a high level of ambiguity, expecting the recipient to consider the context and infer the "true meaning" of what they really want to say. If you ever see two Viets chat with each other, it is like watching people speak a variant of Hanyu Pinyin - very very short words, but full of meaning and context. This key difference in communication method, is one of the main sources of misunderstandings between Viet/SG couples.

To put it bluntly - your gf is telling you that she wants a husband. Women who have that wish, usually never give up on that hope. They want a husband, kids, a normal family. Meaning, she will always be on the lookout for suitable guy(s), and from time to time when someone suitable walks into her life, she will go for several "test drives" and you will find yourself having a "gf" who is fucking someone else.

If you are holding on to this relationship in the slim hope that she will accept the "compromise" which is you - then you must emotionally accept the fact that one day she will leave. Unless you are willing to have a kid with her, and support her financially (which you already indicated, that you can't).

Sorry to be so pessimistic, but these are inconvenient truths and it is better to highlight and face the reality - better the ugly truth than the beautiful lie

All the best

Understood bro. I have also tell her to look out for potential guy who is single and can marry her, because I think she is still hoping that there will br changes to my marital situation with my wife.
Right now, I just enjoying her companionship whenever she is here. One day if she ever find someone new, I will wish her the best.

[greatstuff]

I got a few Viet ktv girls ask me for marriage before. but that's only because they want to continue working here. for them money is the most important. don't ever believe they would love you more than they love money.

[benjm85]

I got a few Viet ktv girls ask me for marriage before. but that's only because they want to continue working here. for them money is the most important. don't ever believe they would love you more than they love money.

True bro. But when we put ourselves in their shoes, it is easy to understand why they prioritise money so important. They come from a 3rd world country with little education, working in ktv easily gets them out of poverty. If I am a girl, I would also do the same.
I also realise that once they started working in ktv, their concept of money is totally off. They can easily spend few k at mbs machiam like few hundreds haha..

[Farfaraway888]

Thanks bro for your advice.
Yes I am married and she understands it is hard for me to get a divorce due to kids. She is ok to remain the current relationship with me as she knows I am also having some marital issues with my wife.

She wants to come back to work ktv to earn more money while she still has the looks and beauty, to save up enough money to set up a shop in hcm. She has been sharing with me her plans on what is her plan and the estimated budget for the business. She also say that it is easier for us to meet if she can stay in singapore long term, as currently she is flying over once a month to meet. (Hard for me to fly over as I am married)

Her 1st stint working in ktv was last year under a 6 months WP, and that was how I get to know her. She frankly told me that she is here to look for lao kong as her cousin successfully found one here and is happily married 😆

I did not reveal the fact that I am married during the 1st 6 months together, and she had the impression that I will marry her. After she knew I am married, she was alittle shock and upset that I lied to her. But she say she can’t bear to give up the relationship.

Can I ask if it is easy to come to Singapore on a social visit pass after the 6 months WP? How likely will she be denied entry as it looks like she manage to come every month. I have a Viet girlfriend who also ended her 6 months WP so just wondering if it is easy for her to come visit

[pumpypump]

Can I ask if it is easy to come to Singapore on a social visit pass after the 6 months WP? How likely will she be denied entry as it looks like she manage to come every month. I have a Viet girlfriend who also ended her 6 months WP so just wondering if it is easy for her to come visit

There needs to be 2~3 months interval between WP and every social visit. Best if they only stay max 2 weeks for each social visit. If they stay longer or come back more frequently, they can be denied entry.

[jbjumbo]

Earlier this year I met a KTV girl who strictly only allow drinking and playing games, no touchy-feely at all.

It was quite interesting for me as i dont really like girls who are too aggressive. This one provided a chase which i enjoy. After several visits over two months, the furthest I went was to see the nipple sticker pasted on her breast only.

Apparently she does this to all the customers in the joint and still can earn decent tips. But she is the rare one la, probably works for her because her face very beautiful.

[fallen11]

There needs to be 2~3 months interval between WP and every social visit.

have debunked this for social visit
my viet girl sometimes come monthly
but she is here on genuine visit, not working here.
as long as you have reasonable proof to show you are here on genuine visit, they'll let her enter.

What reasonable proof:
private chat history with singapore family / relative / bf
her immigration history (if got a few time they see her every visit on come a few days and accurately as declared, they not even bother to ask her any question on future visits already)

[pumpypump]

have debunked this for social visit
my viet girl sometimes come monthly
but she is here on genuine visit, not working here.
as long as you have reasonable proof to show you are here on genuine visit, they'll let her enter.

What reasonable proof:
private chat history with singapore family / relative / bf
her immigration history (if got a few time they see her every visit on come a few days and accurately as declared, they not even bother to ask her any question on future visits already)

I was responding to TS based on his context. His gf is coming here to work.

My advice is from other vb who have successfully come to sg regularly to work.

Technically, anyone from Vietnam can come to Singapore anytime they want and stay up to 30 days for each social visit.

And technically, Singapore Immigration can turn away anyone if they suspect they are coming here for illegal reasons.

[Pictionary]

have debunked this for social visit
my viet girl sometimes come monthly
but she is here on genuine visit, not working here.
as long as you have reasonable proof to show you are here on genuine visit, they'll let her enter.

What reasonable proof:
private chat history with singapore family / relative / bf
her immigration history (if got a few time they see her every visit on come a few days and accurately as declared, they not even bother to ask her any question on future visits already)
I was responding to TS based on his context. His gf is coming here to work.

My advice is from other vb who have successfully come to sg regularly to work.

Technically, anyone from Vietnam can come to Singapore anytime they want and stay up to 30 days for each social visit.

And technically, Singapore Immigration can turn away anyone if they suspect they are coming here for illegal reasons.
The first reply is ok. How come the replies so far away? The more replies it gets, the more it drifts away. Is there any personal or opportunity losses if cannot come to singapore? The chop on the passport or visa tells foreigners how long the duration to stay in singapore. You all got converse in vietnamese as a day to day basis? Born in apple sure know how to talk to apple. Orange sure dun know much about apple. Then how to suddenly change from apple to orange, then talk to orange?

[edmundhello]

Lets talk about KTV girls. I understand they are here to earn as much money as possible. But I am curious how they can condition themselves to entertain different guys on a daily basis. I mean they are also human and have emotions too right? What if they do fall in love with one of the customers? Do they still continue to ply this trade?

Have you ever know of any ktv girls who solely just drink and play games without any extra?

Hey bro. I think I am very experience with Vietnam girls with 6 gfs and 5 at the same time and I know many vietnam girls. Let me share some experiences with you. 1 was also with a girl who works in pub then a ktv girl then become an assistant mummy. Got another is a ktv girl. 4 of them know one another. Anyway it's complicated. I was just being playful and inevitably hurt them.

There are 2 main things you need to take note.

Vietnam has a culture of excessive gambling men or women. And D**gs. Many Viet girls in Singapore gamble excessively here and in Vietnam. For those who don't gamble, they bought some houses back in Vietnam but because of jealousy of one another, many of them ended up gambling heavily in Singapore thinking it is even faster than what they earn in ktv. Some are still clearing debt and some for their family members in Vietnam.

As of all women, they will still fall in love but they would still be massively influence by their community of 12000 in Singapore inevitably over time. They ended up choosing monies over love unless they are really of poorer quality. And don't be surprised that they are secretly seeing other man or some do have husband (not too sure their nationality though).

For your situation having wife and kids and since you can't give her anything, better to just treat her as your companion. If you honestly wish her well, slowly show her less care and eventually she will move on. That's how I slowly did it. I know it's hard but that's the best way for you and her. They are really nice girl (1 million % better than SG girls but I'm too playful and hurt all of them along this journey of mine.

All the best bro and I hope you can resolve your issue soon. :)

[benjm85]

Hey bro. I think I am very experience with Vietnam girls with 6 gfs and 5 at the same time and I know many vietnam girls. Let me share some experiences with you. 1 was also with a girl who works in pub then a ktv girl then become an assistant mummy. Got another is a ktv girl. 4 of them know one another. Anyway it's complicated. I was just being playful and inevitably hurt them.

There are 2 main things you need to take note.

Vietnam has a culture of excessive gambling men or women. And D**gs. Many Viet girls in Singapore gamble excessively here and in Vietnam. For those who don't gamble, they bought some houses back in Vietnam but because of jealousy of one another, many of them ended up gambling heavily in Singapore thinking it is even faster than what they earn in ktv. Some are still clearing debt and some for their family members in Vietnam.

As of all women, they will still fall in love but they would still be massively influence by their community of 12000 in Singapore inevitably over time. They ended up choosing monies over love unless they are really of poorer quality. And don't be surprised that they are secretly seeing other man or some do have husband (not too sure their nationality though).

For your situation having wife and kids and since you can't give her anything, better to just treat her as your companion. If you honestly wish her well, slowly show her less care and eventually she will move on. That's how I slowly did it. I know it's hard but that's the best way for you and her. They are really nice girl (1 million % better than SG girls but I'm too playful and hurt all of them along this journey of mine.

All the best bro and I hope you can resolve your issue soon. :)

Thanks bro. So far for my girl I don’t see her gambling or mention anything regarding gambling, so shld be ok.
Yea I will enjoy her companion and s*x for the time being till she find someone new 😬

Wa bro you must be damn yandao rich can sian so many viet girl at the same time 👍

[edmundhello]

Thanks bro. So far for my girl I don’t see her gambling or mention anything regarding gambling, so shld be ok.
Yea I will enjoy her companion and s*x for the time being till she find someone new 😬

Wa bro you must be damn yandao rich can sian so many viet girl at the same time 👍

Forgot to mention that Vietnam girls are very fierce! haha...

Yeah man. Just enjoy yourself.

Lol... spent alot lo. but fun times. 4 gf in 1 building. Jin Bo Eng. Run up and down. :D

[ktoh89]

Lets talk about KTV girls. I understand they are here to earn as much money as possible. But I am curious how they can condition themselves to entertain different guys on a daily basis. I mean they are also human and have emotions too right? What if they do fall in love with one of the customers? Do they still continue to ply this trade?

Have you ever know of any ktv girls who solely just drink and play games without any extra?

Bro, most of the time ah, it’s all about the money… they came here with that objective ma

[Aventine]

There are 2 main things you need to take note.

Vietnam has a culture of excessive gambling men or women. And D**gs. Many Viet girls in Singapore gamble excessively here and in Vietnam. For those who don't gamble, they bought some houses back in Vietnam but because of jealousy of one another, many of them ended up gambling heavily in Singapore thinking it is even faster than what they earn in ktv. Some are still clearing debt and some for their family members in Vietnam.



I did not know about the gambling part.
I read in this forum somewhere that viet girls even if married, still wants to provide for her family and remains influenced by them.
Although I seldom come into contact with viets, still good to know.

[deployedrelayer]

too many simps spoiling market lol

[damong777]

No vb will come singapore work if no need earn money. I seen some like tour of duty, sin, vn then dubai. Then repeat.

They got their own support grp. Even vn ML have the own fb or tg groups.

Less than 10% of vb dun really go one. Only met a few. Rest is matter of price and kc. I got seen gal reject offer a, b and c then hit d, go out. So is a matter of need vs want.

Is similiar to any job. Got kpi one. They come in need pay permit, house and makan. Anything else is profit. So some choose go out some choose not depending on their own goal.

Honestly those with spass already have a base in singapore with supporters or potential bf.

Also need remember if for wp 6 months, first 6 weeks mm will try to push them by posting photos or keep bring them chay ban. However after 6 or 8 weeks come, they considered old gals. So either got bf,die hard fan or going st / ot.

My ex gf was really one just drink play dice one. Can touch hamsup a bit but dun go out. Till I told her, then is ok after 2 months of nearly everyday going and booking her. If dun want, then I change gal.

Like some bros, the circle in ktv is very small. What happen in 1ktv spread to another. Or if you dabao B out while want A, A will know very soon one. So see how u play the game.

[GG6969]

Simply put. Youth and beauty are the ricebowls of these girls. You think they would want to waste time with you if you cannot give them long term goals? To be honest, in a way, they are earning an honest living despite it is not accepted by almost everyone. But if they have a choice, they will not want to be in such industry. And i know many of them, who can actually be quite decent, and despite their values may be wrong, but they are perhaps better than many locall girls in terms of both character and looks. Our locals are considered lucky there is a government who provides strong educational support and many have decent family backgrounds, which prevented them from having to suffer in nightlife. We find it shiok because we do not have to drink till stupor everyday, but they have to. So my hearts go to these girls.

[Greenfrog]

I have a viet gf for one year when she came to work at ktv one year ago.
Been to her house, see her parents, her friends, her family and all. Felt that she is genuine and serious in the relationship.
But recently she said she wants to come back again to work ktv. Reason is of cos money. I told her I don’t like her come back work ktv, but i also can’t afford to feed her. Feeling damn sian..

oh my, you just new to chionging.

there are no feelings in 欢场.

[AhMin]

oh my, you just new to chionging.

there are no feelings in 欢场.

Agree - Upz 4 Xchange - AhMin

[benjm85]

oh my, you just new to chionging.

there are no feelings in 欢场.

Chiong for more than 10 years till I met this girl and fall in love with her haha..
Sometimes its fated i guess..

[vcvt]

Chiong for more than 10 years till I met this girl and fall in love with her haha..
Sometimes its fated i guess..

Yes... I chionged more than 16 years and never had any feelings. Till I met this viet KTV girl
Similar as you i am married more than a decade but no children.

Knowing her is a blessing and curse. Blessing is to be able to fall in love again and curse is having to breakup with someone you love. She wants to be with me but I couldn't marry her.

Seriously thinking to go long term but divorce in sg is damn hard and tedious... most of my friends think I siao...
Yes but it does make me feel more alive.

[Penguin23]

Yes... I chionged more than 16 years and never had any feelings. Till I met this viet KTV girl
Similar as you i am married more than a decade but no children.

Knowing her is a blessing and curse. Blessing is to be able to fall in love again and curse is having to breakup with someone you love. She wants to be with me but I couldn't marry her.

Seriously thinking to go long term but divorce in sg is damn hard and tedious... most of my friends think I siao...
Yes but it does make me feel more alive.

I've written in many other threads on divorce, and also about being with an ex-KTV girl - like you I chiong KTV for more than 10 years, but I stopped since Covid and I have been with an Viet ex-KTV girl for the last 5 years. She works as a freelance model now, and we maintain a long distance relationship with either me going over to see her or she flying down to see me at least once per month.

Singapore has introduced the no-fault divorce option (Divorce by Mutual Agreement) 3 years ago, there is now the option of a quick dissolution of your marriage by Mutual Agreement, provided all ancillary matters are settled beforehand

I gained care and control of my 2 children as my ex-wife walked out on the family to be with another man, and did not want the children. I settled my divorce from start (first meeting with lawyer) to finish (obtaining the decree nisi) in less than 6 months, and I spent less than $4K

So, divorce may not be as long nor as expensive as you think

As for your decision of who you will be happier with, only time will tell. Let your heart reveal the answer, don't let your cock make the decision

The one last quote I think is worth sharing, for you is this - the biggest regret that one has at the death bed is

I wish I had the courage to live a life true to myself, not the life others expected of me.

[dman19]

I've written in many other threads on divorce, and also about being with an ex-KTV girl - like you I chiong KTV for more than 10 years, but I stopped since Covid and I have been with an Viet ex-KTV girl for the last 5 years. She works as a freelance model now, and we maintain a long distance relationship with either me going over to see her or she flying down to see me at least once per month.

Singapore has introduced the no-fault divorce option (Divorce by Mutual Agreement) 3 years ago, there is now the option of a quick dissolution of your marriage by Mutual Agreement, provided all ancillary matters are settled beforehand

I gained care and control of my 2 children as my ex-wife walked out on the family to be with another man, and did not want the children. I settled my divorce from start (first meeting with lawyer) to finish (obtaining the decree nisi) in less than 6 months, and I spent less than $4K

So, divorce may not be as long nor as expensive as you think

As for your decision of who you will be happier with, only time will tell. Let your heart reveal the answer, don't let your cock make the decision

The one last quote I think is worth sharing, for you is this - the biggest regret that one has at the death bed is

I wish I had the courage to live a life true to myself, not the life others expected of me.

Great post. Really thanks for this. I resonate with your last 2 lines, easy to say but so hard to do in a forever changing climate

[vcvt]

I wish I had the courage to live a life true to myself, not the life others expected of me.

Wise words...
And I didn't know got this mutual.optiion. Worth looking at it.

The thing is, I don't have negative feelings towards my wife... its just no passion. We don't have children so less common interest.
Being married for many years also means there's a level of attachment as well... so not 100% easy to let go.

Aiyah, I know words or thoughts are just going in circles.
Lucky have forums like this to share such "shade" thoughts..even my friends think I siao to give up so much for a k girl.

[chubbybastard]

Wise words...
And I didn't know got this mutual.optiion. Worth looking at it.

The thing is, I don't have negative feelings towards my wife... its just no passion. We don't have children so less common interest.
Being married for many years also means there's a level of attachment as well... so not 100% easy to let go.

Aiyah, I know words or thoughts are just going in circles.
Lucky have forums like this to share such "shade" thoughts..even my friends think I siao to give up so much for a k girl.

Well, i say you only live once. Nobody knows if there is life after death or reincarnation. If there isn't, then this is it. Would you regret staying loyal to your wife whom you have no passion for or pursue your ktv girl with raging passion. Only you know but you need to choose 1.

[Rubbaking]

Wise words...
And I didn't know got this mutual.optiion. Worth looking at it.

The thing is, I don't have negative feelings towards my wife... its just no passion. We don't have children so less common interest.
Being married for many years also means there's a level of attachment as well... so not 100% easy to let go.

Aiyah, I know words or thoughts are just going in circles.
Lucky have forums like this to share such "shade" thoughts..even my friends think I siao to give up so much for a k girl.

Be fair to your wife also. I am sure she does not want a loveless relationship. Without kids is easier to handle though i do not advocate for divorce but resolution. But usually it is tough. Girls have shelf life, let her find someone who loves her more and perhaps can make her happier, unless you feel you can be that person too. As for k girl or fl or ml, they are humans too. Usually 80% of the case, they will not want to be in this line if they can afford to. Some may choose the easy way out of things but principles and values can also change for them. You can ask these girls if they ever want their kids or future kids to follow their foot step, the answer is no. Most girls in singapore are just fortunate to be able to have decent family and education opportunities.

[chukeliang]

Wise words...
And I didn't know got this mutual.optiion. Worth looking at it.

The thing is, I don't have negative feelings towards my wife... its just no passion. We don't have children so less common interest.
Being married for many years also means there's a level of attachment as well... so not 100% easy to let go.

Aiyah, I know words or thoughts are just going in circles.
Lucky have forums like this to share such "shade" thoughts..even my friends think I siao to give up so much for a k girl.

It's best to let go of your wife bro so that you can truly live the reality of the life you want. because your wife must also have that empty feeling. And you are just wasting time together. so fix it or start new

[messyduck]

It's best to let go of your wife bro so that you can truly live the reality of the life you want. because your wife must also have that empty feeling. And you are just wasting time together. so fix it or start new

Maybe it's easy to say logically bro. I've experienced this. and several considerations made me persist

[messyduck]

It's best to let go of your wife bro so that you can truly live the reality of the life you want. because your wife must also have that empty feeling. And you are just wasting time together. so fix it or start new

maybe there are things that just can't be let go

[godlikealamak]

not all KTV girls' mindset is bad. But when it comes to lies, almost 80% of them lie. but I found a sincere one. But until now we only have good relations like friends

[SugerU]

not all KTV girls' mindset is bad. But when it comes to lies, almost 80% of them lie. but I found a sincere one. But until now we only have good relations like friends

Their mindset is not all bad bro. But how they manipulate almost all KTV girls like that ya ?

[SraSoccer]

i feel what ever they tell u just take it with a pinch of salt good 1 hard to come by

[Rubbaking]

not all KTV girls' mindset is bad. But when it comes to lies, almost 80% of them lie. but I found a sincere one. But until now we only have good relations like friends

I do notice that when status become bfgf then all the lies come too. These wls have their secrets hidden deep within. Whatever involves money and emotions tend to have the lie factor. Though pretty much most of them if possible will not want to be in the trade but due to circumstances, but again there are many more girls in this world who are just meeting ends meet, and yet they did not go for ktv jobs or easy way out (perhaps no looks factor). There are ktv girls who strictly will not go into the flesh, despite how much is given, but these are usually very rare and usually those who are not that pretty. But these are just my personal views and experiences.

[mice]

I do notice that when status become bfgf then all the lies come too. These wls have their secrets hidden deep within. Whatever involves money and emotions tend to have the lie factor. Though pretty much most of them if possible will not want to be in the trade but due to circumstances, but again there are many more girls in this world who are just meeting ends meet, and yet they did not go for ktv jobs or easy way out (perhaps no looks factor). There are ktv girls who strictly will not go into the flesh, despite how much is given, but these are usually very rare and usually those who are not that pretty. But these are just my personal views and experiences.


At first it may have been forced by circumstances. But when they get into the job, they usually start to enjoy it by getting sex and money

[Rubbaking]

At first it may have been forced by circumstances. But when they get into the job, they usually start to enjoy it by getting sex and money

Not sure if it is enjoyable on the sex part unless the guy is handsome or skilful. Nevertheless if can overcome this part, all they need to do is open leg or rock a bit, and close eyes if unbearable. The ability to earn fast quick load of money with ease, surely will make them overlook the circumstances. Again money prevail.

[SexySolid]

Their mindset is not all bad bro. But how they manipulate almost all KTV girls like that ya ?

Yesss almost its mean like 90% hahaha lol

[mice]

Not sure if it is enjoyable on the sex part unless the guy is handsome or skilful. Nevertheless if can overcome this part, all they need to do is open leg or rock a bit, and close eyes if unbearable. The ability to earn fast quick load of money with ease, surely will male them overlook the circumstances. Again money prevail.

because they do it for money. Even if there is interest, it's a bonus so they do it with enjoy

[Wellson]

They are same as escorts , no difference

[Qwed34]

Just go enjoy that's all

[Jeffygod1]

Just fuck n go

[Piano55]

They are also escorts

[BatamBro]

Lets talk about KTV girls. I understand they are here to earn as much money as possible. But I am curious how they can condition themselves to entertain different guys on a daily basis. I mean they are also human and have emotions too right? What if they do fall in love with one of the customers? Do they still continue to ply this trade?

Have you ever know of any ktv girls who solely just drink and play games without any extra?

There's alot of conservative ones for sure, they call themselves uni girls trying to farm cash and let you hug around those kind. But end game also play with your heart and fly back to CN for their main agenda/goals.. so becareful

[ghostcow]

I have managed to KC ML and FL to genuinely see me as their bf. For example, their mother know how I look like and I know how their mother look like.

I find that I enjoy the feeling of being desirable, more than bonk or whatever.

Up next, I want to try KC KTV girl and would appreciate if any bros can intro me KTV where I can talk to the girl in a conducive environment. Thx bros

[Monter33]

KTV girls are same as fls, just they think they more high class

[Demonk]

whores are whores. money only.

[lornjourney]

I have managed to KC ML and FL to genuinely see me as their bf. For example, their mother know how I look like and I know how their mother look like.

I find that I enjoy the feeling of being desirable, more than bonk or whatever.

Up next, I want to try KC KTV girl and would appreciate if any bros can intro me KTV where I can talk to the girl in a conducive environment. Thx bros

Are you sure you KC-ed them or currently kanna bewitched that you don’t agreed. At least to my little experience, I can be wrong but it is pretty common for them to bring you to their house and meet their parents. As they want to build more trust from you before you willing to open up the vault for them.

They/them: whole family knows about the plan except the victim.

Btw, I do not mean anything bad. Don’t get offered please.

[Topper]

Lets talk about KTV girls. I understand they are here to earn as much money as possible. But I am curious how they can condition themselves to entertain different guys on a daily basis. I mean they are also human and have emotions too right? What if they do fall in love with one of the customers? Do they still continue to ply this trade?

Have you ever know of any ktv girls who solely just drink and play games without any extra?

First thing first that you must know and memorize is this: KTV girls will never fall in love with you.

Never share any of your personal secrets with them.

They are only here for a mission - siphon as much money as possible using all kinds of tricks, sob stories and acting skills.

So they will only 'appear to fall in love' with you.

So what should you do? Come out with your own fantasy stories and also " appear to fall in love with them" lor. They are giving you an illusion so you must do the same thing to them, fair and square.

Fire and forget and move on to the next is the best.

[Rubbaking]

First thing first that you must know and memorize is this: KTV girls will never fall in love with you.

Never share any of your personal secrets with them.

They are only here for a mission - siphon as much money as possible using all kinds of tricks, sob stories and acting skills.

So they will only 'appear to fall in love' with you.

So what should you do? Come out with your own fantasy stories and also " appear to fall in love with them" lor. They are giving you an illusion so you must do the same thing to them, fair and square.

Fire and forget and move on to the next is the best.

Cannot agree more. Or there may be some temporary love but will not last. I probably bedded close to a thousand girls in my chiong period, dated a few, some lasted 1-2 years and only one which is of longer term and yet its always hell of a ride. Sometimes i asked myself if it is worthwhile, i guessed it really depends. Yolo but with a deeply burnt pocket.

[Rubbaking]

KTV girls are same as fls, just they think they more high class

The only difference between a whore and ktv girl is the number of times they open the legs. Otherwise both also have just 24hrs a day.

[Yiniu]

Vietnam girls my fav

[fxty1989]

Vietnam girls my fav

I prefer Thai girl more, lol.