Selective fails at paid or commercial sex.

[Oorb]

Went to Geylang Licensed house 5-6 times, all fail. Bro refused to stay hard, barely 1 min, go soft.

MP - fail rate 70%. Same, ml gets it hard, but bro cannot stay hard. HJ/BJ also cannot

FLs - fail rate 50%. Most of the time, book for 2 shots, can do 1 shot, second is only sometimes. Fails is 1 shot also cannot.
(RTF success rate 99% :D )

KTVs - Success rate 99%. Let's go Baby !!! 2 shots, 3 shots, or more, bring it !!!

I find my situation particularly strange. I spent some time trying to understand and I think I know why.

Main difference in KTV is that I get to see the girl in rl first, can get to choose which one.
After still can tcss to build feel, if no feel, then won't ask out.
Hotel also, all fresh towels, need more time can extend, no feeling of time not enough or rush.

I envy my friends who can do geylang effortlessly, but I'm the type that prefers no rush, slow and easy, with feel the most important factor.
I know the feel is made up, but it is still better than even no made up feels.
Gives me more enjoyment and satisfaction, over the other mp and fls success.

I am happy with the way it is with me, even though I envy my friends, wham bam, thank you maam.

Wanted to share this out there and see if many bros are same as me :)

[donut88]

Yeah, understand you.

Some ppl can just go fire right away. Some ppl like to build relationship and feeling with the gal first

I'm definitely almost like u. I like to chat and know the person more first before making my move. Got more feel

I don't like strangers.



Went to Geylang Licensed house 5-6 times, all fail. Bro refused to stay hard, barely 1 min, go soft.

MP - fail rate 70%. Same, ml gets it hard, but bro cannot stay hard. HJ/BJ also cannot

FLs - fail rate 50%. Most of the time, book for 2 shots, can do 1 shot, second is only sometimes. Fails is 1 shot also cannot.
(RTF success rate 99% :D )

KTVs - Success rate 99%. Let's go Baby !!! 2 shots, 3 shots, or more, bring it !!!

I find my situation particularly strange. I spent some time trying to understand and I think I know why.

Main difference in KTV is that I get to see the girl in rl first, can get to choose which one.
After still can tcss to build feel, if no feel, then won't ask out.
Hotel also, all fresh towels, need more time can extend, no feeling of time not enough or rush.

I envy my friends who can do geylang effortlessly, but I'm the type that prefers no rush, slow and easy, with feel the most important factor.
I know the feel is made up, but it is still better than even no made up feels.
Gives me more enjoyment and satisfaction, over the other mp and fls success.

I am happy with the way it is with me, even though I envy my friends, wham bam, thank you maam.

Wanted to share this out there and see if many bros are same as me :)

[Oorb]

I'm definitely almost like u. I like to chat and know the person more first before making my move. Got more feel



woot, hi-five :D

comparing the success even at fls/mp, I find ktvs ones still a lot better.
once there is feel, can get a different satisfaction.
one of the reason I do a lot of rtfs or a lot of return to regular ktv girls.
ktv girls normally quite surprised I still want them after a session, so the treatment sometimes actually is better :cool::cool:

[wildpig69]

But those bro that can go, bang and bye will spend less.
For those that like you/me, will have to spend a bit time and moolan......

[Jomjom88]

Usually I go FL 2 shots,

First shot usually is the horniness take over, so can just whack and fire.

2nd shot, if the FL dont have GFE, will turn soft too after awhile.

[azuretears]

same. just cant connect and fuck with a girl i paid a few seconds ago

[Oorb]

But those bro that can go, bang and bye will spend less.
For those that like you/me, will have to spend a bit time and moolan......

I think the spending part should just be a bit more, if outcall ktv girl, without going to ktv, although still have to pay for hotel and misc.
Most chiong by budget, ppl like us just chiong less cos each time more expensive.

[wildpig69]

I think the spending part should just be a bit more, if outcall ktv girl, without going to ktv, although still have to pay for hotel and misc.
Most chiong by budget, ppl like us just chiong less cos each time more expensive.

Haiz.... how to chiong by budget?
Now all these KTV girls not so easy to hook.... all put their nose high high...
Furthermore old uncle liao.... cannot fight with the younger chiongsters...:(

[azuretears]

set aside a chiong fund and keep to it i guess

[GreyWind]

Quite common, a few of my kakis actually prefer or only ktvs.
They don't like outright commercial sex.
Other kakis don't like ktv, say too troublesome, cost more.

I prefer MP, but long time no go since my faves/regulars rtc pre-covid.

[Peacekeeping]

Quite common, a few of my kakis actually prefer or only ktvs.
They don't like outright commercial sex.
Other kakis don't like ktv, say too troublesome, cost more.

I prefer MP, but long time no go since my faves/regulars rtc pre-covid.

Ktv also commercial because money is a strong motivation.

[pumpypump]

Ktv also commercial because money is a strong motivation.

There is a chase element here because a KTV girl can technically choose not to go out with you because they make a lot on room tips already, especially if she's an ang pai and there are many other people vying for her attention.

[erol]

Wanted to share this out there and see if many bros are same as me :)

I do face this issue too of went soft too a couple of years ago, found out due to high workload and irregular rest/sleep. Did some changes to my lifestyle and i can see it's gradually improve.

[Banaber]

enough chemistry then ktv fucks are best of the lot~ no one hour pressure and av raid 😆

[Colt]

enough chemistry then ktv fucks are best of the lot~ no one hour pressure and av raid 😆

Yes, agree very much with this 😆
Sometimes can still go for meal after, makes it feel a whole lot less commercial.

[Laopizhui]

true enough. ktv gives the best feel yet cost the most

i sticking to mp or go jb for cheaper rates

but i got a friend who cheong ktv every week, low earner, every month end no money, he spend more money then the young guns, y? he is ugly n fat, many ktv girls dont wanna tabao by him

now worse, working as security guard take pic n video at the airport, pcc in the toilet, complaint leg pain

in conclusion, spend what u can afford, like a bro earlier posted, set a budget for ur cheong expenses

[Peacekeeping]

There is a chase element here because a KTV girl can technically choose not to go out with you because they make a lot on room tips already, especially if she's an ang pai and there are many other people vying for her attention.

They got a way to hang up to sell if you know what I mean. That is how her value can go up. Poor blokes confirm won’t find chemistry with her. Truth be told, if we can make gals fall in love with us, we will be picking up gals on the street.

[howdoido]

true enough. ktv gives the best feel yet cost the most

i sticking to mp or go jb for cheaper rates

but i got a friend who cheong ktv every week, low earner, every month end no money, he spend more money then the young guns, y? he is ugly n fat, many ktv girls dont wanna tabao by him

now worse, working as security guard take pic n video at the airport, pcc in the toilet, complaint leg pain

in conclusion, spend what u can afford, like a bro earlier posted, set a budget for ur cheong expenses

Best summary already this one!

[Dignified69]

Me GL veteran of 16 years. When a gal frenches me for long and with tongue fu it melts my heart. I get very nice feelings about that person.

[pumpypump]

They got a way to hang up to sell if you know what I mean. That is how her value can go up. Poor blokes confirm won’t find chemistry with her. Truth be told, if we can make gals fall in love with us, we will be picking up gals on the street.

It's the same everywhere. We are always selling to the opposite sex. Girls doll up to attract guys. Guys portray a sense of confidence and security to attract girls. At least at KTV, the chase is shorter because the intentions are clear. Pick-up girls on the street still need to go on a date or two before you can get laid.

[zai1]

I go SPAs.. 90% of the time I see the lady I sianz half liao becos the real person does not look at all like the photo and some of them are even worse old + ugly.

The only 10% I got cute syts I can hard when beat aeroplane. The rest of the time semi-hard and even when cum , not much "jerking" feeling..

[Oorb]

KTVs just gives you more time to build up, and more options to choose from.
Its more expensive overall true, so can't go as often.
If can get into good chemistry with girl after first time, then can skip ktv and straight to action, but I do enjoy the ktv tcss with friends, and keep in pulse with the new girls coming in.

[edmundhello]

Agree with TS. I can never go GL. Prefer pubs or ktvs where we can chat first to build up the chemistry.

[Dignified69]

What an enlightening thread which shows that us bros are not all slam bam thank you Ma'am types.

This SBF is actually a mental wellness forum for at least 50% of the population. The dotards who try to keep trying to close it down don't realise what a disservice they are doing.

Infact, I hope bro Sam Leong has a succession plan in place to keep this going after he ascends to the heavens. SBF is a national treasure and should be protected.

[pigorgansoup]

What it takes to please us may not be the same for all of us. Do what makes yourself the happiest but there's no harm to try something new once a while.

[Uujaan]

After trying gl, mp, fl, ktv, ktv still the better option for more choices, only not all can take out or price too high.
but just the service in bed about average, but got meet good ones before.
if meet for second third time, sometimes really good.

[sammyboyfor]

What an enlightening thread which shows that us bros are not all slam bam thank you Ma'am types.

This SBF is actually a mental wellness forum for at least 50% of the population. The dotards who try to keep trying to close it down don't realise what a disservice they are doing.

Infact, I hope bro Sam Leong has a succession plan in place to keep this going after he ascends to the heavens. SBF is a national treasure and should be protected.

Please complain to your MP at the next "meet the people" session. :D

I honestly don't have a succession plan. I haven't had a cause to think about it yet and now that you bring it up I haven't got a clue who to assign to take over the reins.

It definitely cannot be run from Singapore the operator would be in jail within months. It would have to be managed remotely.

[Wally]

Last time when first start to chiong, all also no problem. But when seasoned, found that I like getting to know the person a bit first, makes it more....connected I think.
I think the feel makes it more enjoyable.

[sammyboyfor]

You are such a cheebye. U have been on this site for 13 years and you don't know what it is? It's Adult discussion about Sex. Understand or not? Not for you to burden the bros here about your erection problems. The ED forum is some where else. Go there and seek help from doctors and counselors.

But what makes you a cheebye is you go to 5-6 Geylang houses, MPs, FLs, KTV, and yet not one fucking review for the bros here. Bros also want to know the quality of the ladies in these places. For those of us that don't have an ED problem like you, we would sure like to know where these places are and how the girls in there are, price, service, etc. But cheebye kia like wouldn't even help out the bros here and keep going ad nauseam about your ED problem.

It's my forum so let me decide what goes where and if necessary I'll move it. :)

[jaypaq]

Hahaha this thread is one of the reason I keep coming back to this forum!

ED vs failure to review! Keep it rolling bros

[GreyWind]

Ktv also commercial because money is a strong motivation.

Of course its commercial, but its not outright.
Both parties can make a choice, one whether to ask, the other whether to go.

[pumpypump]

Of course its commercial, but its not outright.
Both parties can make a choice, one whether to ask, the other whether to go.

One can also say traditional dating is commercial because the other party at some level is also assessing your ability to provide some form of financial comfort and security.

[Laopizhui]

He leg pain because he pcc?

He leg pain becos his job requires him to stand 12 to 14 hours

[GreyWind]

One can also say traditional dating is commercial because the other party at some level is also assessing your ability to provide some form of financial comfort and security.

That is different altogether.
If you meet what is now termed 恋爱脑, will just be happy to be with you, as long as everything is average.
I have had the good luck to meet a couple, they had the bad luck to run into me, as just not rdy yet.

[Peacekeeping]

Please complain to your MP at the next "meet the people" session. :D

I honestly don't have a succession plan. I haven't had a cause to think about it yet and now that you bring it up I haven't got a clue who to assign to take over the reins.

It definitely cannot be run from Singapore the operator would be in jail within months. It would have to be managed remotely.

Tai kor, I agree with the bros that you are really doing us a service by having this forum. Some of the dirty thoughts if we keep bottle it up we will become imbalanced.

[nimdafbskucf]

Tai kor, I agree with the bros that you are really doing us a service by having this forum. Some of the dirty thoughts if we keep bottle it up we will become imbalanced.

What an enlightening thread which shows that us bros are not all slam bam thank you Ma'am types.

This SBF is actually a mental wellness forum for at least 50% of the population. The dotards who try to keep trying to close it down don't realise what a disservice they are doing.

Infact, I hope bro Sam Leong has a succession plan in place to keep this going after he ascends to the heavens. SBF is a national treasure and should be protected.

You two are delusional or kumgong? lol

u really think this place is being run out of the goodness of the owners and admins' hearts?

why do u think they censor and delete negative FRs all the time :D

[Dignified69]

Need helicopter level skill to understand. On the surface SBF is obviously not a mental health forum. Congratulations on achieving basic literacy.

There are many things in life which are brushed under the carpet. The continuous sex drive in men and how it remains rather steadfast as compared to a woman's which changes much more.

The popular perception is that men can such fuck and go. But this forum shows it is not so uniform or unchanging through the life of a man. Where in a man's life do you get to learn about your own needs, the interplay of your emotions and your sex drive and whether what you feel is good, bad, correct, common etc In a more evolved society this forum would be a treasure trove of information on sexual attitudes and needs of Asian men.

Instead we have banalities about the presence of a profit motive. While there has been much material progress in a short time, attitudes and thinking are still stuck in the past.

[nimdafbskucf]

Need helicopter level skill to understand. On the surface SBF is obviously not a mental health forum. Congratulations on achieving basic literacy.

There are many things in life which are brushed under the carpet. The continuous sex drive in men and how it remains rather steadfast as compared to a woman's which changes much more.

The popular perception is that men can such fuck and go. But this forum shows it is not so uniform or unchanging through the life of a man. Where in a man's life do you get to learn about your own needs, the interplay of your emotions and your sex drive and whether what you feel is good, bad, correct, common etc In a more evolved society this forum would be a treasure trove of information on sexual attitudes and needs of Asian men.

Instead we have banalities about the presence of a profit motive. While there has been much material progress in a short time, attitudes and thinking are still stuck in the past.

no need to engage in pretentious preaching abt attitudes towards sex here. congrats on missing the point.

no one is denying we need that outlet

what is amusing is we have ppl like urself either ignorant or ball-less to speak up abt the blatant censorship of chiongsters to suck advertisers' cock

[nimdafbskucf]

maybe u are well off enough that u dont mind being cucked by dishonest okts mispresenting their girls, flooding forum with fake FRs, and deleting negative ones

no doubt many chiongsters getting cheated of their hard earned $$ is a banality to u

[WindSoar]

Instead we have banalities about the presence of a profit motive. .

You need to dial down or simplify.

Just everything got good got bad, cannot because got bad then the good is ignored.

or cheem a bit, even a sword have double edges.

[Oorb]

I think guys like us are in the vast minority, maybe 10% or even less.
But the good thing would be we don't mind, cause when we do get it on our terms, it feels really good.
I think for the same reason, we maybe more likely to derail if with fbs or fwbs.
Just theory, I don't have any myself.


I do face this issue too of went soft too a couple of years ago, found out due to high workload and irregular rest/sleep.

It's selective, not blanket ;)

[Peacekeeping]

You two are delusional or kumgong? lol

u really think this place is being run out of the goodness of the owners and admins' hearts?

why do u think they censor and delete negative FRs all the time :D

You sound like an angry soul. If you are not happy, you shouldn’t be here. Although this forum is not what it used to be, I still get more hits than misses because of the few reviewers who give honest reviews “out of the goodness of their heart”.

[Duron]

Sometimes its mood or vibe, if not right, hard to get hard, figuratively speaking.

[sammyboyfor]

You sound like an angry soul. If you are not happy, you shouldn’t be here. Although this forum is not what it used to be, I still get more hits than misses because of the few reviewers who give honest reviews “out of the goodness of their heart”.

The forum is not what it used to be because there are bills to be paid... hefty ones. ;)

When it first started it anyone and everyone could say whatever they want. However after ending up tens of thousands of dollars out of pocket I caved in to the commercial realities of running a website.

[sammyboyfor]

That's logical and I like it. HAHAHA.

Doing a business, not doing a charity.
Why can't newbs understand? HAHAHA.

It's easy to see fake vs real FRs, again not sharing tips on this. HAHAHA.
Must understand, if I share tips will spoil Boss Sam's business. Nothing beneficial for me in doing that. HAHAHA.

My philosophy now is not to break anyone's ricebowl including my own. :D

[oxeso]

Noted, boss.. SBF huat ah! :D

[nimdafbskucf]

You sound like an angry soul. If you are not happy, you shouldn’t be here. Although this forum is not what it used to be, I still get more hits than misses because of the few reviewers who give honest reviews “out of the goodness of their heart”.

Ever wondered why few ppl bother to share FRs these days? Eventually those few reviewers will eventually give up and fuck care because they get sick and tired of getting their honest FRs censored

[nimdafbskucf]

That's logical and I like it. HAHAHA.

Doing a business, not doing a charity.
Why can't newbs understand? HAHAHA.

It's easy to see fake vs real FRs, again not sharing tips on this. HAHAHA.
Must understand, if I share tips will spoil Boss Sam's business. Nothing beneficial for me in doing that. HAHAHA.

Running a profitable business means turning a blind eye to unethical and unscrupulous okts, and censoring negative feedback?

Why kumgongs cant understand a business is even stronger when it shows everyone that it can function as a fair platform

[SadLoser]

woot, hi-five :D

comparing the success even at fls/mp, I find ktvs ones still a lot better.
once there is feel, can get a different satisfaction.
one of the reason I do a lot of rtfs or a lot of return to regular ktv girls.
ktv girls normally quite surprised I still want them after a session, so the treatment sometimes actually is better :cool::cool:

Just curious what KTV girls you normally bang - PRC, thai or viet?

Also isn't it very costly to bring the KTV girl out, on top of the money spent at the KTV itself? How much you spend per visit

[Cookiepusss]

Just curious what KTV girls you normally bang - PRC, thai or viet?

Also isn't it very costly to bring the KTV girl out, on top of the money spent at the KTV itself? How much you spend per visit

Thai easiest but mostly viet :p

[Oorb]

Just curious what KTV girls you normally bang - PRC, thai or viet?

Also isn't it very costly to bring the KTV girl out, on top of the money spent at the KTV itself? How much you spend per visit

I only go for prc, as hard to communicate with thai or viet to build feel.
pre and post covid cost wise have changes.
before is less than $50-80 for ktv, before butterfly tips, for joints without mummies.
girl have to nego on your own, my max is $200 for 1 shot, $300 for 2 shots. after covid, add $20-$50 for room. but I still hold out on my $200-$300.
a lot of times if quote above my budget, I just honest and say 我能力有限，抱歉.
They will test the water, I just don't pretend to be deep.

[Geylangwander3]

Went to Geylang Licensed house 5-6 times, all fail. Bro refused to stay hard, barely 1 min, go soft.

MP - fail rate 70%. Same, ml gets it hard, but bro cannot stay hard. HJ/BJ also cannot

FLs - fail rate 50%. Most of the time, book for 2 shots, can do 1 shot, second is only sometimes. Fails is 1 shot also cannot.
(RTF success rate 99% :D )

KTVs - Success rate 99%. Let's go Baby !!! 2 shots, 3 shots, or more, bring it !!!

I find my situation particularly strange. I spent some time trying to understand and I think I know why.

Main difference in KTV is that I get to see the girl in rl first, can get to choose which one.
After still can tcss to build feel, if no feel, then won't ask out.
Hotel also, all fresh towels, need more time can extend, no feeling of time not enough or rush.

I envy my friends who can do geylang effortlessly, but I'm the type that prefers no rush, slow and easy, with feel the most important factor.
I know the feel is made up, but it is still better than even no made up feels.
Gives me more enjoyment and satisfaction, over the other mp and fls success.

I am happy with the way it is with me, even though I envy my friends, wham bam, thank you maam.

Wanted to share this out there and see if many bros are same as me :)

Geylang is actually quite customizable as long u are not asking for raw or scat

In your case i suggest u tell the geylang girl what u want, to just chit chat and hug hug on the bed

If u decide to have sex and out of time, you can just extend the session

Many prc house now offer $100 for 30mins

[heige]

Went to Geylang Licensed house 5-6 times, all fail. Bro refused to stay hard, barely 1 min, go soft.

MP - fail rate 70%. Same, ml gets it hard, but bro cannot stay hard. HJ/BJ also cannot

FLs - fail rate 50%. Most of the time, book for 2 shots, can do 1 shot, second is only sometimes. Fails is 1 shot also cannot.
(RTF success rate 99% :D )

KTVs - Success rate 99%. Let's go Baby !!! 2 shots, 3 shots, or more, bring it !!!

I find my situation particularly strange. I spent some time trying to understand and I think I know why.

Main difference in KTV is that I get to see the girl in rl first, can get to choose which one.
After still can tcss to build feel, if no feel, then won't ask out.
Hotel also, all fresh towels, need more time can extend, no feeling of time not enough or rush.

I envy my friends who can do geylang effortlessly, but I'm the type that prefers no rush, slow and easy, with feel the most important factor.
I know the feel is made up, but it is still better than even no made up feels.
Gives me more enjoyment and satisfaction, over the other mp and fls success.

I am happy with the way it is with me, even though I envy my friends, wham bam, thank you maam.

Wanted to share this out there and see if many bros are same as me :)

Thanks for the thread. Good to know i'm not alone.

Can any bros here tell me how much budget must set aside for KTV? I haven't try before.

That said, I just tried JB spa and i think the budget is ok and i might have better chances enjoying there.


Advantages:
got parade, so can see face instead of photo
overnight price is only little bit more than my usual 90/2 FL budget
overnight means no time pressure
overnight gives me time to build chemistry before the deed
JB spa got simple makan and sauna to sit and chat with girl
usu near ktv if you want to bring her there


Disadvantages:
JB means need to set aside extra time to travel
overnight also means must plan time properly
price is slightly higher (but should be less than ktv?)

[SadLoser]

I only go for prc, as hard to communicate with thai or viet to build feel.
pre and post covid cost wise have changes.
before is less than $50-80 for ktv, before butterfly tips, for joints without mummies.
girl have to nego on your own, my max is $200 for 1 shot, $300 for 2 shots. after covid, add $20-$50 for room. but I still hold out on my $200-$300.
a lot of times if quote above my budget, I just honest and say 我能力有限，抱歉.
They will test the water, I just don't pretend to be deep.

Wow $50-$80 is pretty cheap for KTV. In the past, it will cost me $100-200 per night just for the alcohol and room charge alone. If add girls' tips, it will easily be $300 above (HH might be slightly cheaper)

Also I am surprised KTV girl are willing to go out with you for 1 shot for just $200? Usually I understand the girl will only be willing to be tapaoed outside if you book her for the entire HH/SH session. Usually cost $400-500

Just curious which KTVs you go to? Those at Peace centre & Cuppage cannot be so cheap

[Oorb]

Wow $50-$80 is pretty cheap for KTV.

$50-80/per person, not the whole cost. If you have 3-4 pax, take beer package, not hard liquor, that is the rate.
Never been to cuppage but have been to Jade.
but I was mostly a gl joint person, cheaper rooms, lower tipping, but of course not as high quality, but once in a while, there are new raw gems and girls from other trade jumping in to take a look ;)

Extras are incidental, not intentional. These girls are tough cookies, but sometimes, a bit of tlc does help.
For me, once I have a successful and satisfied lockdown, will not be changing until she leaves, and then I repeat the cycle again.
The journey is just as enjoyable as the destination.

[deadcat]

Wanted to share this out there and see if many bros are same as me

[cinnabaris]

$50-80/per person, not the whole cost. If you have 3-4 pax, take beer package, not hard liquor, that is the rate.
Never been to cuppage but have been to Jade.
but I was mostly a gl joint person, cheaper rooms, lower tipping, but of course not as high quality, but once in a while, there are new raw gems and girls from other trade jumping in to take a look ;)

Extras are incidental, not intentional. These girls are tough cookies, but sometimes, a bit of tlc does help.
For me, once I have a successful and satisfied lockdown, will not be changing until she leaves, and then I repeat the cycle again.
The journey is just as enjoyable as the destination.

Thanks for sharing

[himeji]

Wanted to share this out there and see if many bros are same as me

Agree with you.

[farisssanji]

I am happy with the way it is with me, even though I envy my friends, wham bam, thank you maam.

[kupseb]

this out there and see if many bros are same as m