Another Fraud case/blackshop in Shanghai!!!
 

Last month I when to Shanghai expo plus business trip approx. 1 weeks plus, one of the night I'm out from hotel and take a walk to "Waitan" What a beautiful scene.....bla bla bla

A pimp walk by my side and make an offer of RMB 300 to get a girls....I'm doubting whethers that's cheap, why not go and have a look.Then we by cab to a hotel I forget the name but I guess this is a low end 3 stars hotel and beside the lobby there is a KTV club like that.

The Pimp pointed out a young lady for me and attachted together with a "MAMA Sang"...I'm wondering why? Nevermind the girls seems look good....then I start

to checking out the price with the "MAMA Sang". At first base on our conversation, it is very cheap aprox RMB 300 per hour and additional charges on fruit and liquor.

The price seems reasonable, okay then i continue to chit chat with the girl. 10 mins..20 mins (WTF the "MAMA Sang" still sitting there, damn annoying, then I have no choice tips her RMB 100 by doing nothing).

After she when off, that's the private session with the girl on negotiation on night out to my hotel :D reasonable deal RMB 1000 for 2 hours. Then i quickly ask for the bill and anticipate for the romantic night later on.

The NIGHTMATE !!!!

In order to get a bill the lady asking tips for collecting the bill Minimun RMB 300. Okay fine, i paid since i manage to get the cheap deal later on ....

After a while she come together with a waiter (a muscular guy) and show me the bill WTF !!! on the ship already !!! end up the entire Bill caused me RMB 2800

Blood Hell!!

Then I immediate show the black face, and start asking the charges item by item, few thing to highlight:

1. I'm there for less then an hour, they charge me 2 hours room rental RMB 600
2. Escort by doing nothing RMB 1000
3. Fruit, drink, others charges approx. RMB 1200

Then i start staring to the "MAMA Shang" and ask why didn't you mention in the first place! She replied you didn't ask in the first place and showing me the "Kan ni nia" face. I really think off to present her a slap !!!

No choice, in a place with full of stranger with no friends to help out. Just paid (definitely not worth it)

Another get pittoff stuff is when the time I leaving, the girls still holding my hand and send me to the entrance to wait for Cab. And I check with her
whether later on still on? She said up to me...Of cause i won't let her go easily (intended to fj her extremely since being cheat). After a while, cab arriving, she tell me she not going to share cab with me WTF! She giving the excuses of during the EXPO period Police checking are quite tight, and she will going to my room later on. Okay I trust her again by provide my hotel and room no.

End up she didn't turn up.......damn pittoff


to recall back ... sigh... maybe I'm too naive to believe them. I urge all the bros beware of this kind of trap, especially in China.


Anyway I forgot the name of the KTV, but I've only this name stated in my credit card bill "SHH FENG WANG HOTEL 47 SHANGHAI" end up the entire night spent me around approx. RMB 2800 + tips RMB 400

Damn it!

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You should tell the waiter that you were from Singapore and you will report to police for sure. The EXPO is a hit to Sauna but also your protection. You need to tell them that if you got scammed and beaten, it becomes a very serious affair to local police and they will shut the KTV.

The waiter/manager won't risk their KTV and KTV licenses to get you charged for the extra 2500 RMB. Tell them it will become a lose-lose situation if you refused to pay and got beaten--you will call embassy protection and police will shut their KTV.

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hi

never never follow Pimp...in Shnaghai
such rop off stories and black shops are everywhere..

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visit such places alone and that's the result....i kenna in beijing before

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There are ways to escape even if you are in.... But try not to enter in the first place...

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Means we should go online order?


unexpected situation, initially I thought is a spa or massage centre. If alone what kind of place you can suggest?

bro farastein, how to escape? Run out from the KTV? From back door? everywhere observe by those muscular guys !!!

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actually if u have spend time and effort to read up this thread ..
u'll be ware of such scam happening in shanghai and rest of china ...
that will put u on guard if such offer is extended when u r there ..
this is not a new trick .. it happened many yrs ago ...

have u read abt how they lure u to a house .. tied and beat u up ...
rob u of ur valuables and even go to the extend of making withdrawals from ur atm card ...
there r also cases when the thugs go to ur hotel room and ransack ur safe after they force u to disclose ur safe password ..

all these r posted in this forums ....
if u only spend time and effort to read it ..

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I kana before as well but I tell myself wanna walk along the river then don't be afraid to get your legs wet.

It's also not alot of $$$ if u convert to SGD just take it one night of party with nothing. But just be glad u are in one good pcs and still got chance to get more comfort and consolution from PRC mei mei down the road.

Hope other bro also can understand it's not many bro do not read or know about these type of scram. When u travel alone, and try to be adventous in search of a gem, it's either we make it and share the meat later or we fail and share again.

Singapore island is discovered by Sir Stamford raffles and he managed to share this news and developed this island. But he was damn lucky not to be biten by the lion when he first saw the animal. If not, he will also go back england with a sore heart. Haha..

So bro, I hope u can be like me recover from the sore heart soon. Trust me it heal faster with help of PRC mei mei. Haha.. Let's move on more cautious but don't stop us from living our life.. Cheers..

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Bro, in shaghai you must ALWAYS behave very "garang"and talk louder than them...if you don't like & not happy, raise your voice or else you will kena makan by them, they are very smart and always see face, if you act meek and scared, they will eat you alive...its OK to be abit rude and talk loudly or even call the captain in a very commanding tone to show that you are not a person to be bullied...always end your sentence with a "KAN MA DE!!!" loud loud...by doing this they will be put in place...don't be afraid to challenge them, they also scared and won't anyhow fark around as the local cops there will side you as the foreigner/tourist, all you have to do is act pissed off and talk loudly to get your way...this is one of the traits of shaghai culture that i picked up while there...and it works!

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I don't suggest any bros to listen to this advise... you might end up on the wrong side...

Anyway, if you travel alone in China, the best entertaiment outlet is your own hotel KTV and massage / sauna. If those are not avialable in you hotel, ask the front desk for recommendation. Don't listen to pimp lurking outside your hotel or taxi drivers.

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Most times,. the best entertainment outlet is my toilet.. :p:D

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Are you sure is working? I'm worries of no life to come back....I dont want to end up by sacrify my life :(

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well, up to you...but this works for me, you know why? i observed the taiwanese and they behave like this and they now lord over the shanghainese/chinese nationals over business and shit because they stand up and have guts...and it works for them really well, you don't see the taiwanese getting conned in china at all!!!that is why we sporeans fail over there cos they keep conning us and we let them...and we buy their shit...well too bad, i'm just sharing my 2 cents worth as this works for me whenever i'm there and feel that there may be a potential chinaman trick coming on...i won't fall for their nonsense!

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on second thoughts, bro pink floyd is right...stay in your hotel to pcc and don't venture out! good luck and have fun with mrs palmer and her 5 daughters! wahahha!!!

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this statement is totally untrue ...
the story that i mentioned abt getting rob, tied and beat up was a taiwanese and even hongkies too ...
so such scam is universal ... anyone and everyone is a possible victim especially when u r not careful or greedy ...

and i agreed with bro pink flyod .... ur method could turn the other way and u'll get hurt or probably killed ...
dun under estimate the chinese ....
人肉叉烧包 is generated from HK .. a chinese territory ...

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TS lucky he was not stab or beaten up....

In PRC, they can draw out knife n stab you.........and get away with it.
The Gong-an dun give a shit whether u alive or dead.

As mention by Bros, if alone, cheong in-house hotel sauna or ktv.

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Cannot agreed more with you on this.

There are times to talk loudly and there are time to eat humble pie. ;)

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Yes, I'm consider very luck. Money can earn back easily but life no take two :rolleyes:


But I still wondering place like Beijing and Shanghai is more alike in SG these days

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and if you are unlucky and not yet dead from the stab wound,
maybe a shitty passerby or maybe the JC himself will cut out your organs to sell too.. then u will sure be dead.

Don't be a hero in a foreign land.

Regards

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[QUOTE=Pink_Flyod;5236279]I don't suggest any bros to listen to this advise... you might end up on the wrong side...
I agree with bro pink_Flyod. Not worth try even it means it works 9 out of 10 times. U don't want to be paying for the 1 time that don't work because it won't be a matter of money anymore.
No one like to be cheated.. But if it's just $$$ then move on and better spent your time making more and enjoy more.

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This Happens in all parts of China

1) so be careful
2) gotta learn to be smart
3) dont follow idiot who ask you to follow them
4) best not to talk to anyone
5) taxi driver sometimes who KNN type, must be careful
you need to assess the driver..some are good
some are black drivers, who bring you black bar
6) your life is precious, not worth to risk it
3000 RMB or even 10000 RMB is more worth it than your life!

7) count yourself unlucky if it happens to you, learn from this

am learning every day

8) make frens and brudders with locals
both black and white, esp police and you will go a long way...

Black shops, are all over, so be careful

and for goodness sake, where got brudder so free, read the whole forum and refresh page by page...just post and learn from each other lor, wau lau!
only scholar read every page, page by page, 1000-2000 pages
must as well spend that time to go and cheong and learn from mistake..

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double posting ...

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This Happens in all parts of China
1) so be careful
how to be careful har ??
2) gotta learn to be smart
how to learn to be smart when u tell us to be point #4 ??
u mean be a SMART ASS ??
3) dont follow idiot who ask you to follow them
it shld be .. "dun be an idiot and follow an idiot who asked an idiot to follow them" ...
4) best not to talk to anyone
NOT TO TALK TO ANYONE ?? then i dun know wtf u go to china for ?? to be a dumb ass ??
5) taxi driver sometimes who KNN type, must be careful
you need to assess the driver..some are good
some are black drivers, who bring you black bar
perhaps u can tell us how to identify and assess BLACK drivers verus WHITE drivers .. and what is BLACK BAR ?? black in color ??
6) your life is precious, not worth to risk it
3000 RMB or even 10000 RMB is more worth it than your life!
for once ... u r talking human ...
7) count yourself unlucky if it happens to you, learn from this
am learning every day
second time u r talking human ....
8) make frens and brudders with locals
both black and white, esp police and you will go a long way...
i dun know how to make friends by not talking to anyone ?? use hand or body language ?? :confused:
Black shops, are all over, so be careful
what r BLACK shops har ?? izzit black in color ??
and for goodness sake, where got brudder so free, read the whole forum and refresh page by page...just post and learn from each other lor, wau lau!
only scholar read every page, page by page, 1000-2000 pages
only a fool will go all the way back and read from page one ... use ur brain lar ... do u want to read information that r 3 to 5 yrs ago ??
must as well spend that time to go and cheong and learn from mistake..
what a super dumb ass advice u have given here ...

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bro adiddas,

so fierce ah... hehehe... its a sunday wor...:D

is it the same hotel checkout feeling on a sun afternoon?:D

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When in China, please play it smart, and dun act like you have a lot of money. The gals won't be impressed, they'll just think, ho sey leow, another Robert. :D

And please don't listen to that kuku who tell people to act garang, you are a foreigner, they take one look at you, straight away they can tell, act garang and you may end up on the wrong side of a parang. :eek:

Sure, unless you have 关系 with the 公安 or some 干部，and you have some guys in your room packing heat, sure go ahead and be garang... :D

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agree....

never never act tough in china, unless you are 110% sure........

Ignore the kuku advice of acting garang

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You are lucky you were just brought to a KTV and lost some $$$, when venture into unknown territory always be extra careful, do not be so naive, and follow stranger to their recommended place, and always avoid street pimps at all cost.

In China, you can just go to those normal sauna, or massage place in China, these are plentiful, but check the price first before entry though. :) I do go alone, it is relatively safe.

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hehhehehe ... wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning ... :D :D

no lar ... i can't understand why everything he said is abt how bad china is ...
see the other thread that he have posted and u'll understand what i mean ... :mad:

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Just my personal views, in Shanghai, in China or anywhere in the world, if we travel alone or even with friends, try to fit in together with the locals and don't dress or act like a tourist/foreigner. Never ask a stranger (taxi driver, pimp or someone on the street) to recommend and/or bring u to any place to cheong......u will be lucky to pay and come out alive.

Yes, we must be steady when situation arises, and also bring only sufficient cash out each time, we don't want to be short of cash and refused exit (surrounded by local gangsters) when we kena makan by the locals and/or also don't wished to be seen as carrying excess cash and become an easy target. One thing for sure, they only want your cash, not our life, for a start.

I travel alone to everywhere and so far so good in PRC, maybe i am lucky, and most important I will try to fit in as a local (my dressing are localised), although most of the time my language may gave me away instantly when I speak, and I nevered trust or go along with any stranger whom pretend to be friendly and act as a Cheong/Shopping guide etc.