Local FLs (Independents)

[boobsandwich]

Just here to speak my mind. I've had my fair share of local FLs over the past couple of years (independents) who are not advertised here. Just wanna share my thoughts on trends that I've been observing over the years. I source my local FLs somewhere else. I take a glance through Dome L and noticed that it is very much prevalent here as well. I'm talking about forced deposits.

Back when I was sourcing for local FLs in 2017-2019 period (before covid). I managed to find many FLs to do what I want, which is typically BBBJ CIM (in car or outdoor if they're ballsy enough) quickies for decent pricings. (Below 200 a pop) I enjoy the thrill of the hunt and could occasionally get SYTs. This is the golden period of local FLs for me (not from SBF, I must reiterate). This time period, girls were aplenty. No such thing as deposits. Then came some who asked for taxi fares prior to meet. Amount wasn't big, $20-30, I blindly transferred, then got blocked after that. My first encounter with scammers, I was young, dumb and desperate then. It was probably in 2018. I got burnt a few times (2-3 times) with this deposit scam, they sure do get creative. Until I got scarred and swear off deposits.

Covid happened. Nobody could meet. During that period, the amount of local independent FLs dropped off drastically. Lots of the good ones have retired as they usually only appear if they need money. The best ones are those who appear just once, meet you, you have a smashing good time with them and then block you after they get their money. I understand because no girl will do this in the long run, mostly it's just to pay off debts to ease their financial liabilities. Things took a drastic turn and now post-covid, a lot stopped doing actual meet up services. In comes all those 'girls' selling 'nudes and videos'. Many of those who are scammers. (they block you the moment you counter them asking for a voice recording/tele video bubble call to verify if they're real females) In all honesty, i think this is a waste of money as I'm still traditional in a sense that I will only pay money for actual services in real life.


Then as the years went by, from your typical texting to arrange meetups in the most straight forward, no frills manner, it slowly moved towards the direction of 'no deposit, no booking'. From my past negative experiences with scammers, I cannot adhere to this. I get Vietnam flashbacks on my money disappearing and seeing me get blocked by these 'girls'. Why is this even a thing? Oh yes, they claim that guys waste their time or are no shows. I combat this by specifically saying, I drive to you, pick you up, we go to the location, pay you, do the deed and part ways. Does this sound good enough? They still insist on deposits, on top of the already very high asking price. Refusing to budge. (their prices went up drastically over the years too, whoreflation?) Price is subjective as every guy might perceive value differently. Maybe one guy is a high income earner and sees $1k per shot as peanuts to him? I don't actively source for local FLs and when I need to release as I observe the stock of girls between the SBF domes to see who meets my needs and has a balance between services, looks and price. Most of the time D1 does a good job to satisfy my needs.

Right now on to the crux of the issue. Forced deposits. Why is this even a thing? Or are simps ruining the market by giving in to these unnecessary requirements which wasn't a thing just a couple of years back? I also think the idea of 'rejection fees' are one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Have they placed these local FLs on a pedestal, giving into their demands that's why prices are going bonkers and putting strange unnecessary requirements to be a 'norm'? Notice how limited the service list is for local FLs lol. And they are asking a fortune. Some girls from other domes have considerably bigger boobs (most local FLs chests are just too tiny as a boob lover myself, C cup is a joke to me) looks better than them, does way more services, treats like you a king, you go home a happy, satisfied man after the session and pay just a fraction of the price. I mean, let fools part with their hard-earned money, I guess. Are simps the root of the problem allowing all this to happen? To add on, giving in to deposits, puts them a position above you as they already have secured let's say $100 and whenever they feel like being unreasonable, especially with female logic, they can decide to not honor the deal and your deposit is up in smoke. It's a win for them and if you complain, the white knights will come to her defense. You'll always be in the losing situation should she get the deposit money first prior to the session. I think I also need to mention how the new gen of younger FLs are snowflakes in a way that every small thing offends them and their knee jerk reaction is to block you and clear chat in an instant (on telegram). Do you still wanna pay a deposit to these kind of local FLs lol? This is just not right, in my opinion. Just remember, dudes. You are the paymaster. Do the right thing.

Thank you for listening to my TED Talk.

[jazp]

Agree with you bro.. whether in Local FL or or them in the dating market even, many are no longer worth the buck. Too many stupid restrictions and requirements set. Once I see them start demanding deposits, I skip them. Same for rejection fees, just don’t bother with booking them anymore.

[timeliness]

That's what I've been talking about ever since I noticed deposits/rejection fees only for local FLs.

Their time is not deemed as more valuable than our own time spent travelling down to meet them in person.

My approach towards FL and ML is always the same, pay in person only after meeting and making sure I'm okay with the person, though it'll be mostly 10% to 20% difference due to PS/filters lol.

[boobsandwich]

Agree with you bro.. whether in Local FL or or them in the dating market even, many are no longer worth the buck. Too many stupid restrictions and requirements set. Once I see them start demanding deposits, I skip them. Same for rejection fees, just don’t bother with booking them anymore.

I view this as a form of entitlement for only local FLs. IMO I think they are getting bigheaded because they think the SG passport or former occupation they have can give them the right to charge sky high prices. Can they serve us like kings in comparison to FLs from other domes (who charge a mere fraction of their asking price) given their extremely limited list of services? I think 99% of them don't even do CIM. Some no BBBJ even. lol golden mouth princess syndrome.

[boobsandwich]

That's what I've been talking about ever since I noticed deposits/rejection fees only for local FLs.

Their time is not deemed as more valuable than our own time spent travelling down to meet them in person.

My approach towards FL and ML is always the same, pay in person only after meeting and making sure I'm okay with the person, though it'll be mostly 10% to 20% difference due to PS/filters lol.

That's why I insist on picking them up. I go to them. They stay fucking put. If they still reject and insist on deposits then I really see this as greed on their end to secure some form of payment from us first before even anything is done. And the deposits are not cheap either. If like basic transport costs, it won't be as bad but $100? lmao they think we are walking ATM beta cuck simps? How in the world will I 'cheat' if I can update them I'm on my way with live location services. That's why I see this as a scummy move on their end. Not to mention how it is associated with scams as well (they started this deposit before meet thing way before and will block you after agreeing to a session once they secure the money). Only their time is money and ours isn't?

[Witzer]

I find there's no point blaming the supply when its the demand creating the market.
For each that walks away from deposit, there may be at least 3 willing to go along with it.
The supply can rightly say there are always some who never turns up, but a deposit of $50-$100 or more to counter that seems very one sided when the demand has not seen the fl in rl yet.

Furthermore with cons increasing, a loss of $50-$100++ is not really the point, but the disappointment when you are ready for a new experience and good time only for it to all go bust.

I think Dome 1 should also have missed appointments, but don't see them asking for deposits.

Regardless, the demand has to wise up and walk away, or the supply will just keep asking for deposits.

[oldmanmanman]

Well written bro. Totally agree with all your points. The self entitlement in our local FLs are just atrocious. Upped you before le, so can't up you again.

[boobsandwich]

Well written bro. Totally agree with all your points. The self entitlement in our local FLs are just atrocious. Upped you before le, so can't up you again.

In an ideal world without simps, us sensible men will close our wallets to them and they will have to succumb to our requests/demands instead after they realize they can't make any money. I wish this is reality.

[chubbybastard]

Just here to speak my mind. I've had my fair share of local FLs over the past couple of years (independents) who are not advertised here. Just wanna share my thoughts on trends that I've been observing over the years. I source my local FLs somewhere else. I take a glance through Dome L and noticed that it is very much prevalent here as well. I'm talking about forced deposits.

Back when I was sourcing for local FLs in 2017-2019 period (before covid). I managed to find many FLs to do what I want, which is typically BBBJ CIM (in car or outdoor if they're ballsy enough) quickies for decent pricings. (Below 200 a pop) I enjoy the thrill of the hunt and could occasionally get SYTs. This is the golden period of local FLs for me (not from SBF, I must reiterate). This time period, girls were aplenty. No such thing as deposits. Then came some who asked for taxi fares prior to meet. Amount wasn't big, $20-30, I blindly transferred, then got blocked after that. My first encounter with scammers, I was young, dumb and desperate then. It was probably in 2018. I got burnt a few times (2-3 times) with this deposit scam, they sure do get creative. Until I got scarred and swear off deposits.

Covid happened. Nobody could meet. During that period, the amount of local independent FLs dropped off drastically. Lots of the good ones have retired as they usually only appear if they need money. The best ones are those who appear just once, meet you, you have a smashing good time with them and then block you after they get their money. I understand because no girl will do this in the long run, mostly it's just to pay off debts to ease their financial liabilities. Things took a drastic turn and now post-covid, a lot stopped doing actual meet up services. In comes all those 'girls' selling 'nudes and videos'. Many of those who are scammers. (they block you the moment you counter them asking for a voice recording/tele video bubble call to verify if they're real females) In all honesty, i think this is a waste of money as I'm still traditional in a sense that I will only pay money for actual services in real life.


Then as the years went by, from your typical texting to arrange meetups in the most straight forward, no frills manner, it slowly moved towards the direction of 'no deposit, no booking'. From my past negative experiences with scammers, I cannot adhere to this. I get Vietnam flashbacks on my money disappearing and seeing me get blocked by these 'girls'. Why is this even a thing? Oh yes, they claim that guys waste their time or are no shows. I combat this by specifically saying, I drive to you, pick you up, we go to the location, pay you, do the deed and part ways. Does this sound good enough? They still insist on deposits, on top of the already very high asking price. Refusing to budge. (their prices went up drastically over the years too, whoreflation?) Price is subjective as every guy might perceive value differently. Maybe one guy is a high income earner and sees $1k per shot as peanuts to him? I don't actively source for local FLs and when I need to release as I observe the stock of girls between the SBF domes to see who meets my needs and has a balance between services, looks and price. Most of the time D1 does a good job to satisfy my needs.

Right now on to the crux of the issue. Forced deposits. Why is this even a thing? Or are simps ruining the market by giving in to these unnecessary requirements which wasn't a thing just a couple of years back? I also think the idea of 'rejection fees' are one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Have they placed these local FLs on a pedestal, giving into their demands that's why prices are going bonkers and putting strange unnecessary requirements to be a 'norm'? Notice how limited the service list is for local FLs lol. And they are asking a fortune. Some girls from other domes have considerably bigger boobs (most local FLs chests are just too tiny as a boob lover myself, C cup is a joke to me) looks better than them, does way more services, treats like you a king, you go home a happy, satisfied man after the session and pay just a fraction of the price. I mean, let fools part with their hard-earned money, I guess. Are simps the root of the problem allowing all this to happen? To add on, giving in to deposits, puts them a position above you as they already have secured let's say $100 and whenever they feel like being unreasonable, especially with female logic, they can decide to not honor the deal and your deposit is up in smoke. It's a win for them and if you complain, the white knights will come to her defense. You'll always be in the losing situation should she get the deposit money first prior to the session. I think I also need to mention how the new gen of younger FLs are snowflakes in a way that every small thing offends them and their knee jerk reaction is to block you and clear chat in an instant (on telegram). Do you still wanna pay a deposit to these kind of local FLs lol? This is just not right, in my opinion. Just remember, dudes. You are the paymaster. Do the right thing.

Thank you for listening to my TED Talk.

In short yes. Singaporean men are mostly cuckold simps especially when it comes to local FLs.

Meanwhile as for the local FLs, I guess most of them have the typical Singaporean mentality i.e. want high pay but don't want to put in the work and have crazy demands because they think they hold Singaporean passport which automatically puts them above other whores. One particular FL even have the cheek to insult her clients online. Yet still there are people patronising them. What can i say other than Singaporean men are just fucking dumb with too much money.

Same for the deposit thingy. Look i get there might be idiots that book and do a no show without informing, but agents asking for deposits? Like wtf?! That is a business risk an agent has to take otherwise why the fuck are you even pimping? Yet idiots still pay!

[boobsandwich]

In short yes. Singaporean men are mostly cuckold simps especially when it comes to local FLs.

Meanwhile as for the local FLs, I guess most of them have the typical Singaporean mentality i.e. want high pay but don't want to put in the work and have crazy demands because they think they hold Singaporean passport which automatically puts them above other whores. One particular FL even have the cheek to insult her clients online. Yet still there are people patronising them. What can i say other than Singaporean men are just fucking dumb with too much money.

Same for the deposit thingy. Look i get there might be idiots that book and do a no show without informing, but agents asking for deposits? Like wtf?! That is a business risk an agent has to take otherwise why the fuck are you even pimping? Yet idiots still pay!

Exactly. Just passport you hold SG passport and can speak English, they think they automatically belong in to the 'premium' bracket. But no tits, no skills, no looks, restrictions everywhere, no this, no that yet want to command a premium sum when they have nothing to offer. I remember I had beef with one fucking rude local FL from another platform and then I saw her also being advertised here. Really attitude problem and her thread had only glazing reviews of her, lmao who believes all this fake shit. Even on the other platform, when people write negative reviews on her, she'll go ballistic and start attacking people online. Bitch is mental. Level of entitlement is beyond my comprehension.

[CosmosImai]

I view this as a form of entitlement for only local FLs. IMO I think they are getting bigheaded because they think the SG passport or former occupation they have can give them the right to charge sky high prices. Can they serve us like kings in comparison to FLs from other domes (who charge a mere fraction of their asking price) given their extremely limited list of services? I think 99% of them don't even do CIM. Some no BBBJ even. lol golden mouth princess syndrome.

It's already been known for centuries that local FL is not worth the price they are putting on themselves. Yet there are many white knights/simps and their clones defending them.

Any FL that asks for deposit is a scammer, period. And any FL that worth their salt knows they won't get aeroplane from their customers because they know if customers book them confirm want to see them. Unless there are stupid idiots who likes to prank the FLs but this is highly unlikely in Singapore.

[boobsandwich]

It's already been known for centuries that local FL is not worth the price they are putting on themselves. Yet there are many white knights/simps and their clones defending them.

Any FL that asks for deposit is a scammer, period. And any FL that worth their salt knows they won't get aeroplane from their customers because they know if customers book them confirm want to see them. Unless there are stupid idiots who likes to prank the FLs but this is highly unlikely in Singapore.

I mean there are assholes out there who are no shows and wanna waste time, but let's be honest, how low is that percentage? There are SO MANY ways to counter the need for deposits. Local FLs are so entitled that they just dont wanna admit that they're greedy and hard up for that deposit to secure money before even doing anything.

[Grimmjow1984]

I agreed 100%. all these deposit rejection fee nonsense gotta stop. Those fking filthy rich players go snd fuck yrself instead of spoiling and pampered these golden sissy

[boobsandwich]

Get this more value for money. HAHAHA.
2 times per week = 8 times per month
$3500/8=$437.50 per fuck session.

Unfortunately, it's only b cup and there is no anal. HAHAHA.

I dont like these monthly arrangements because the girl can be a POS and give excuses to not have sex because she already has been paid in a lump sum. It's too much of a risk unless your name is Robert and have too much money to waste.

My experience with local FLs over the years have been extremely mixed. A lot of last minute cancellations with the lamest excuses ever. Like this still want to take the high risk of paying a monthly lump sum ah? B cup = no boobs to me.

[Neverlookback]

Just here to speak my mind. I've had my fair share of local FLs over the past couple of years (independents) who are not advertised here. Just wanna share my thoughts on trends that I've been observing over the years. I source my local FLs somewhere else. I take a glance through Dome L and noticed that it is very much prevalent here as well. I'm talking about forced deposits.

Back when I was sourcing for local FLs in 2017-2019 period (before covid). I managed to find many FLs to do what I want, which is typically BBBJ CIM (in car or outdoor if they're ballsy enough) quickies for decent pricings. (Below 200 a pop) I enjoy the thrill of the hunt and could occasionally get SYTs. This is the golden period of local FLs for me (not from SBF, I must reiterate). This time period, girls were aplenty. No such thing as deposits. Then came some who asked for taxi fares prior to meet. Amount wasn't big, $20-30, I blindly transferred, then got blocked after that. My first encounter with scammers, I was young, dumb and desperate then. It was probably in 2018. I got burnt a few times (2-3 times) with this deposit scam, they sure do get creative. Until I got scarred and swear off deposits.

Covid happened. Nobody could meet. During that period, the amount of local independent FLs dropped off drastically. Lots of the good ones have retired as they usually only appear if they need money. The best ones are those who appear just once, meet you, you have a smashing good time with them and then block you after they get their money. I understand because no girl will do this in the long run, mostly it's just to pay off debts to ease their financial liabilities. Things took a drastic turn and now post-covid, a lot stopped doing actual meet up services. In comes all those 'girls' selling 'nudes and videos'. Many of those who are scammers. (they block you the moment you counter them asking for a voice recording/tele video bubble call to verify if they're real females) In all honesty, i think this is a waste of money as I'm still traditional in a sense that I will only pay money for actual services in real life.


Then as the years went by, from your typical texting to arrange meetups in the most straight forward, no frills manner, it slowly moved towards the direction of 'no deposit, no booking'. From my past negative experiences with scammers, I cannot adhere to this. I get Vietnam flashbacks on my money disappearing and seeing me get blocked by these 'girls'. Why is this even a thing? Oh yes, they claim that guys waste their time or are no shows. I combat this by specifically saying, I drive to you, pick you up, we go to the location, pay you, do the deed and part ways. Does this sound good enough? They still insist on deposits, on top of the already very high asking price. Refusing to budge. (their prices went up drastically over the years too, whoreflation?) Price is subjective as every guy might perceive value differently. Maybe one guy is a high income earner and sees $1k per shot as peanuts to him? I don't actively source for local FLs and when I need to release as I observe the stock of girls between the SBF domes to see who meets my needs and has a balance between services, looks and price. Most of the time D1 does a good job to satisfy my needs.

Right now on to the crux of the issue. Forced deposits. Why is this even a thing? Or are simps ruining the market by giving in to these unnecessary requirements which wasn't a thing just a couple of years back? I also think the idea of 'rejection fees' are one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Have they placed these local FLs on a pedestal, giving into their demands that's why prices are going bonkers and putting strange unnecessary requirements to be a 'norm'? Notice how limited the service list is for local FLs lol. And they are asking a fortune. Some girls from other domes have considerably bigger boobs (most local FLs chests are just too tiny as a boob lover myself, C cup is a joke to me) looks better than them, does way more services, treats like you a king, you go home a happy, satisfied man after the session and pay just a fraction of the price. I mean, let fools part with their hard-earned money, I guess. Are simps the root of the problem allowing all this to happen? To add on, giving in to deposits, puts them a position above you as they already have secured let's say $100 and whenever they feel like being unreasonable, especially with female logic, they can decide to not honor the deal and your deposit is up in smoke. It's a win for them and if you complain, the white knights will come to her defense. You'll always be in the losing situation should she get the deposit money first prior to the session. I think I also need to mention how the new gen of younger FLs are snowflakes in a way that every small thing offends them and their knee jerk reaction is to block you and clear chat in an instant (on telegram). Do you still wanna pay a deposit to these kind of local FLs lol? This is just not right, in my opinion. Just remember, dudes. You are the paymaster. Do the right thing.

Thank you for listening to my TED Talk.



Well written.
I get your point.

But...i would submit that nearly all of those asking depo etc are BOT freelance at all...the REAL ones are not so doing...and are not on the sites in question which are indeed the lucrative hunting grounds of scammers scalping the gullible.

The real fl...inclding some with sensible pricing are, for examp, on suga, other SM sites.

Early Dec i got a 24yo office gal off such a hookup site..did her at hotel in bencolleen for 350...inlcuded patg her back her taxi.

100% genuine..
I saw her ic and her work place badge.

Needs cash urgent..pragmatic about pricing, etc

[tafasac917]

Good and deep ted talk from ts

[boobsandwich]

Well written.
I get your point.

But...i would submit that nearly all of those asking depo etc are BOT freelance at all...the REAL ones are not so doing...and are not on the sites in question which are indeed the lucrative hunting grounds of scammers scalping the gullible.

The real fl...inclding some with sensible pricing are, for examp, on suga, other SM sites.

Early Dec i got a 24yo office gal off such a hookup site..did her at hotel in bencolleen for 350...inlcuded patg her back her taxi.

100% genuine..
I saw her ic and her work place badge.

Needs cash urgent..pragmatic about pricing, etc

My memorable local FL experiences were with some SYTs in their late teens. Looks innocent on the surface but once they go down on me and pull down my pants. They can really suck dick, like really well. Who taught them the ways lol. And I lost contact with them after those sessions. They are just doing this to get some quick cash. That's the type of local FLs that I sorely miss now. Where can I find girls who are desperate in that spur of a moment and will do anything for quick bucks? Those girls are probably married with kids right now lol since it's been like 7 years or so. Good times I can only reminisce.

[poolbear]

bro, fully agree with you , the FL system now is totally rubbish

[Ilovejesus]

Why rant so much?

Just quit the local FL scene and bonk other nationalities whores. The moment the local FLs asking rates are all above 500-750 per pop, I am done. I prefer Thai FLs from Dome 1 for their stamina in bbbj as I can face fuck them and CIM without hearing their complaints. Maids the same, except they are usually uglier, older and fatter...plus their pricing is creeping up.

[boobsandwich]

Why rant so much?

Just quit the local FL scene and bonk other nationalities whores. The moment the local FLs asking rates are all above 500-750 per pop, I am done. I prefer Thai FLs from Dome 1 for their stamina in bbbj as I can face fuck them and CIM without hearing their complaints. Maids the same, except they are usually uglier, older and fatter...plus their pricing is creeping up.

Just had an urge to speak my mind about this since this is the sorry state of local FLs right now with their entitlement levels through the roof. It wasn't this bad last time. I agree that Dome 1 is the most bang for buck and occasionally you can get PSEs for such a good price and get served like a king while our local counterparts are sitting there waiting for the next simp to send their deposits before they even move. I still do go for local FLs once in a while but I only go for those sensible ones who don't ask for a deposit (your standard cash on delivery meets) and don't charge stupid amounts though they are very rare now.

But they severely lack in service standards. The last 2 local FLs i've tried, one was fickle minded who kept cancelling last minute. (not just her, A LOT of local FLs are like playing the waiting game to see who offers higher and if someone does, they'll cancel on you and give retarded excuses) The other one I managed to meet but she kept threatening to charge extra until I talked her out of it. When it comes to serve, likes to complain here and there, mouth tired la, neck strained la. The worst was 'are you going to cum yet?'. Fucking mood killer, and it's been less than 10 minutes and you're already complaining. Inside, internally I'm saying 'stfu you bitch and just continue sucking, I'm paying you to do your job, it's been like barely 5 minutes and you're already complaining.' It's not just me, my other bros who have experiences with local FLs also had similar experiences like this. They need to go through a service course or something if they want to charge so high lol. Or at least replicate the service levels of a Japanese escort. (My satisfaction levels are so high when I tried Japanese FLs in Japan, if they're pricier, it's justified, they're also MUCH prettier).

I was browsing on SGMerlion telegram group where they have paid local FLs adverts. No surprises, all asking for deposits. Casually looking through their TCSS page, there was this dude who complained he just got scammed. And yes, he paid a deposit and the 'girl' blocked him. I had to say something in my response to his bad experience so I replied with my experiences of paying deposits before meet where I've been burnt several times. This dude was actually still whiteknighting for local FLs and defending them despite just getting scammed. Says he feels bad for them and he understands how 'tough' their job is as an FL. My fucking foot. Other whiteknights also chimed in to defend them as well and I can see how offended they are when I speak out against the deposit thingy. Simping is really a fucking disease among men. While we chat about them, I bet the local FLs probably talking privately among themselves about men being 'cheapskates' over this topic right now.

[Btbh]

Come let AI enlighten you - see below

It can seem baffling from the outside, but these Telegram scams are highly effective because they use a "pincer maneuver" of biology and psychology. Scammers aren't just selling a service; they are exploiting a specific window of cognitive vulnerability.

Here is the psychological breakdown of why men continue to fall for the "deposit-then-block" scam.

1. The "Hot-State" Decision Gap
The single biggest reason these scams work is the Hot-Cold Empathy Gap.
• The Science: When a person is sexually aroused (a "hot" state), their brain functions differently. Research shows that arousal significantly reduces the ability to weigh risks or detect lies.
• The Tactic: Scammers send provocative, "live" looking photos or videos immediately. This keeps the victim in a state of high arousal and low logic. In this "hot" state, a $50 deposit feels like a small hurdle to a big reward, whereas, in a "cold" state, the same person would see it as an obvious red flag.

2. The "Safety" Moral Reversal
Scammers flip the script to make the victim feel like the "bad guy" if they don't pay.
• The Tactic: The scammer claims the deposit is for "screening," "insurance," or "protection against time-wasters/police."
• The Psychology: This triggers Moral Licensing. The victim wants to prove they are a "serious" and "safe" client. By paying, they aren't just buying a service; they are buying the status of being a "gentleman." The scammer turns a financial transaction into a test of character.

3. Weaponized Stigma & Silence
Scammers rely on the "shame barrier" to prevent people from warning others.

• The Tactic: Operating on Telegram, which is private and encrypted.
• The Psychology: If you get scammed buying a laptop on eBay, you tell your friends and call your bank. If you get scammed trying to hire a sex worker, you likely tell no one. Scammers know that the victim's fear of social suicide (being "outed") acts as a shield, allowing the scammer to keep the same profile active for months without being reported or exposed.

4. The Sunk Cost & Escalation
Once a man sends even a small "gas money" or "booking" fee, he is psychologically "all in."

• The Psychology: To stop now is to admit he was "tricked." Most people would rather send another $20 to "fix" a supposed payment error than admit the first $50 is gone.

• The Tactic: After the first deposit, the scammer often says, "The agency system didn't see the payment, send it again with a 'verification code' and I'll refund the first one." This exploits Cognitive Dissonance—the victim ignores the red flags to protect their ego from the reality of being scammed.

The "Golden Rule" of the industry is: No money moves until you are in the same room. Scammers have turned the "deposit" into a standard industry lie. If they ask for a cent before the door opens—whether for "gas," "safety," or "booking"—the chance of it being a scam is effectively 100%.

[Grimmjow1984]

Paid half deposit yesterday $500 and once she recieved it, instant blocked me and went mia. Very expensive lesson. This event has just gave me a conclusion - all these bitches are only good for fucked and offer nothing else. Fuck them & hope they get sti and karma

[Zornic]

Actually now with the age of digitization, I wonder why most of these illegal providers not using technology for it. Instead of transferring fiat deposits to them, why not create a smart contract so that when the service provider fulfilled their end of the contract they get paid if the contract is not fulfilled then we get back the deposit. The contract doesn't need to be super complicated too, since it just basic transaction needs to be fulfilled.

And this is also more anonymously albeit not 100% untraceable. I doubt people doesn't know anything about crypto right with so many people using internet now. And somemore of most these FLs and people who visits them are likely internet savvy youngsters since they can know about this forum.

[cuteboy123]

Got where else to find local FLs now?

[molarfire]

As long as bros are willing to pay the deposit, FLs will cont asking for them.

Once the spending habits of the demand side shifts, the supply side will shift accordingly.

The unfortunate truth is during economic downturn, the supply of FLs tend to increase, and hopefully with increased competition come better prices and better practices.

At the end of the day, willing buyer willing seller. I'm not comfortable giving deposits so local FLs will no longer be a playground I play in. If bros here know of any good local FLs, please recommend.

[boobsandwich]

Paid half deposit yesterday $500 and once she recieved it, instant blocked me and went mia. Very expensive lesson. This event has just gave me a conclusion - all these bitches are only good for fucked and offer nothing else. Fuck them & hope they get sti and karma

You paid a half deposit of $500? wtf? I dont even see FLs asking for this high for a deposit? the actual price for one shot is 1k if that's the case? Is the FL on Dome L here? if yes, can you PM me her nick? if not, if you don't mind, mention where you found her.

[Btbh]

Paid half deposit yesterday $500 and once she recieved it, instant blocked me and went mia. Very expensive lesson. This event has just gave me a conclusion - all these bitches are only good for fucked and offer nothing else. Fuck them & hope they get sti and karma

FYI you prob talking to some dude in Cambodia scam center and not even a real girl

[boobsandwich]

Actually now with the age of digitization, I wonder why most of these illegal providers not using technology for it. Instead of transferring fiat deposits to them, why not create a smart contract so that when the service provider fulfilled their end of the contract they get paid if the contract is not fulfilled then we get back the deposit. The contract doesn't need to be super complicated too, since it just basic transaction needs to be fulfilled.

And this is also more anonymously albeit not 100% untraceable. I doubt people doesn't know anything about crypto right with so many people using internet now. And somemore of most these FLs and people who visits them are likely internet savvy youngsters since they can know about this forum.

We can make do the deposit thing completely as the best solution but these whores still insist on deposits so maybe your suggestion might work. Since most of the payment is done digitally anyway, get the platform to create a smart contract. The money gets transferred to them but placed on hold for 24 hours, only after services were fulfilled then the transferrer could update in the app and the FL gets the money. Anyway, the client still needs to meet the FL irl and pay the remainder of the amount (the prices are still crazy high anyway) so take the held deposit as like 'extra tips for good service' if she performs to his expectations. But best solution is to get SG parliament to pass a bill to outlaw this entirely (deposit for sexual services as an extremely high risk of a scam) and let's see how local FLs scramble and react.

[boobsandwich]

Come let AI enlighten you - see below

It can seem baffling from the outside, but these Telegram scams are highly effective because they use a "pincer maneuver" of biology and psychology. Scammers aren't just selling a service; they are exploiting a specific window of cognitive vulnerability.

Here is the psychological breakdown of why men continue to fall for the "deposit-then-block" scam.

1. The "Hot-State" Decision Gap
The single biggest reason these scams work is the Hot-Cold Empathy Gap.
• The Science: When a person is sexually aroused (a "hot" state), their brain functions differently. Research shows that arousal significantly reduces the ability to weigh risks or detect lies.
• The Tactic: Scammers send provocative, "live" looking photos or videos immediately. This keeps the victim in a state of high arousal and low logic. In this "hot" state, a $50 deposit feels like a small hurdle to a big reward, whereas, in a "cold" state, the same person would see it as an obvious red flag.

2. The "Safety" Moral Reversal
Scammers flip the script to make the victim feel like the "bad guy" if they don't pay.
• The Tactic: The scammer claims the deposit is for "screening," "insurance," or "protection against time-wasters/police."
• The Psychology: This triggers Moral Licensing. The victim wants to prove they are a "serious" and "safe" client. By paying, they aren't just buying a service; they are buying the status of being a "gentleman." The scammer turns a financial transaction into a test of character.

3. Weaponized Stigma & Silence
Scammers rely on the "shame barrier" to prevent people from warning others.

• The Tactic: Operating on Telegram, which is private and encrypted.
• The Psychology: If you get scammed buying a laptop on eBay, you tell your friends and call your bank. If you get scammed trying to hire a sex worker, you likely tell no one. Scammers know that the victim's fear of social suicide (being "outed") acts as a shield, allowing the scammer to keep the same profile active for months without being reported or exposed.

4. The Sunk Cost & Escalation
Once a man sends even a small "gas money" or "booking" fee, he is psychologically "all in."

• The Psychology: To stop now is to admit he was "tricked." Most people would rather send another $20 to "fix" a supposed payment error than admit the first $50 is gone.

• The Tactic: After the first deposit, the scammer often says, "The agency system didn't see the payment, send it again with a 'verification code' and I'll refund the first one." This exploits Cognitive Dissonance—the victim ignores the red flags to protect their ego from the reality of being scammed.

The "Golden Rule" of the industry is: No money moves until you are in the same room. Scammers have turned the "deposit" into a standard industry lie. If they ask for a cent before the door opens—whether for "gas," "safety," or "booking"—the chance of it being a scam is effectively 100%.

I can be swayed when in the 'hot' state especially if the FL manages to convince me well enough that she is a real girl with a hot bod. That's how I got burnt last time. She sent me a video of her playing with her tits (no face, but I was so horny that time and age that I didn't know it might actually be a random video stolen from the internet) and that's how i lost $30. She got the 'taxi fare' and blocked me after that.

But right now I ask for way more verification and to see if she passes it. Like send custom pics/video/voice recording previews. I'll be more convinced that she might be legit and more willing to take the risk if the deposit is not an insane amount. But despite being in this 'hot' state, after some time, I will snap out of it and come to my senses and not do it because I will remember the times I got scammed for sending deposits over first. So yeah, never working on me.

[Keima]

Any FL that asks for deposit is a scammer, period. And any FL that worth their salt knows they won't get aeroplane from their customers because they know if customers book them confirm want to see them. Unless there are stupid idiots who likes to prank the FLs but this is highly unlikely in Singapore.

No. Ive been informed that the prank bookings in Singapore are worse here than in Shanghai.

I was chatting with a couple of euro freelancers on telegram, they left Singapore within four days as they all kept getting trolled by fake booking. It’s not a new phenomenon, local FLs have complained about trolls since SBF started. From the FL perspective, they may book an expensive hotel for the weekend and arrange two/three slots a day, so a fake booking is 1/3rd their daily ‘income’.

On the other side, I see there are scammers milking bros for $150 deposits now using Paynow. It’s up to you to make a police report, rant typing on a forum may be cathartic, but it does zero to stop the scammers.

I don’t frequent Dome L. The last SG girl I saw was a minah ML who used to escort in Dome L and left to do ML as it was a steadier income and zero agent commission. I stick to Dome 3 vietbus as I get the best balance of cost, performance and looks.

[Btbh]

I can be swayed when in the 'hot' state especially if the FL manages to convince me well enough that she is a real girl with a hot bod. That's how I got burnt last time. She sent me a video of her playing with her tits (no face, but I was so horny that time and age that I didn't know it might actually be a random video stolen from the internet) and that's how i lost $30. She got the 'taxi fare' and blocked me after that.

But right now I ask for way more verification and to see if she passes it. Like send custom pics/video/voice recording previews. I'll be more convinced that she might be legit and more willing to take the risk if the deposit is not an insane amount. But despite being in this 'hot' state, after some time, I will snap out of it and come to my senses and not do it because I will remember the times I got scammed for sending deposits over first. So yeah, never working on me.

Don't need to go that far la. If the girl wants $50 deposit for $1k service. You tell her no deposit but pass you $1k + $100 instead in person. If still get rejected, you already have your answer. Whatever reason they give why they reject is all bs cause no one legit will reject more $ than advertised

Don't lose your common sense just because the scammer send u some ai generated tits

[boobsandwich]

bro, fully agree with you , the FL system now is totally rubbish

Only for local FLs. We still have dome 1-3 to choose from with no deposit bullshit.

[boobsandwich]

Don't need to go that far la. If the girl wants $50 deposit for $1k service. You tell her no deposit but pass you $1k + $100 instead in person. If still get rejected, you already have your answer. Whatever reason they give why they reject is all bs cause no one legit will reject more $ than advertised

Don't lose your common sense just because the scammer send u some ai generated tits

In the first place if she is charging 1k for a shot and doesn't have the looks/body to match and still asking for deposit, i will tell her to fuck off lol. Even if she has a pretty face and good body, 1k is way too steep unless she can abide to my requests to make the price worth.

[boobsandwich]

Got where else to find local FLs now?

You can try your luck with sugarbook. It's not for people with low budgets.

[Btbh]

In the first place if she is charging 1k for a shot and doesn't have the looks/body to match and still asking for deposit, i will tell her to fuck off lol. Even if she has a pretty face and good body, 1k is way too steep unless she can abide to my requests to make the price worth.

All the hot and power in bed local girls are on sugarbaby websites or Onlyfans or streamers

Local FLs is scrapping the btm of the barrel imo

[boobsandwich]

No. Ive been informed that the prank bookings in Singapore are worse here than in Shanghai.

I was chatting with a couple of euro freelancers on telegram, they left Singapore within four days as they all kept getting trolled by fake booking. It’s not a new phenomenon, local FLs have complained about trolls since SBF started. From the FL perspective, they may book an expensive hotel for the weekend and arrange two/three slots a day, so a fake booking is 1/3rd their daily ‘income’.

On the other side, I see there are scammers milking bros for $150 deposits now using Paynow. It’s up to you to make a police report, rant typing on a forum may be cathartic, but it does zero to stop the scammers.

I don’t frequent Dome L. The last SG girl I saw was a minah ML who used to escort in Dome L and left to do ML as it was a steadier income and zero agent commission. I stick to Dome 3 vietbus as I get the best balance of cost, performance and looks.

Trolls exist but it's also the local FL's due diligence on her end to check if these pranksters even booked those expensive hotels for the weekend. Something as simple as asking for booking proof etc. Checking with the hotel to see if this guest did book a stay for this period, list goes on. They set themselves up to get trolled if they believe everything that's too good to be true. This one is on them.

Making a police report is useless if you fall victim to a sex scam. SPF doesn't give a damn unless it's a huge amount of people reporting/large amounts of money involved. And I think a lot of people are too embarrassed to even make a police on this and just let it slip and take it as a lesson learnt on now to trust scammers passing off as local FLs. Even my basic scam cases (non sex related, transaction issues with shitter seller) reported to them, it took them 5 years to reply me with a follow up and I already resolved them on my own. That's how useless our police force are. Unless there is an intervention from higher up beings like MPs, they are going to sleep on these reports.

[ByLeft]

No. Ive been informed that the prank bookings in Singapore are worse here than in Shanghai.

I was chatting with a couple of euro freelancers on telegram, they left Singapore within four days as they all kept getting trolled by fake booking. It’s not a new phenomenon, local FLs have complained about trolls since SBF started. From the FL perspective, they may book an expensive hotel for the weekend and arrange two/three slots a day, so a fake booking is 1/3rd their daily ‘income’.

On the other side, I see there are scammers milking bros for $150 deposits now using Paynow. It’s up to you to make a police report, rant typing on a forum may be cathartic, but it does zero to stop the scammers.

I don’t frequent Dome L. The last SG girl I saw was a minah ML who used to escort in Dome L and left to do ML as it was a steadier income and zero agent commission. I stick to Dome 3 vietbus as I get the best balance of cost, performance and looks.

This is what i heard from many freelancers as well. Other than prank bookings, there's many time wasters that just want to chat with them but not booking at the end. Saw some messages that these dudes sent to the FLs, some ask for nudes, some ask for discount, some ask what they're doing all this like wtf???

First off i dont go to Dome L so i'm not voicing out for them. The price just not worth it and i dont want to pay deposit as well.

Agreed there's no use ranting, just support other domes. It's just killing brain cells dwelling about it.

[boobsandwich]

All the hot and power in bed local girls are on sugarbaby websites or Onlyfans or streamers

Local FLs is scrapping the btm of the barrel imo

Oh ya there is another a new trend I see with local FLs also promoting their 'membership' services proving access to their private tele channels. This is their answer to OF, they provide pics and videos and ask simps to pay like $50 for their 'content'. Some asking for one time payment while some ask for monthly fees. This is on top of them already asking for deposits for regular sex services.

EDIT:

This is a scam tactic also. I've seen 'FLs' asking people to pay a 'one time payment' to join their private channel for access to their 'exclusive content'. Some ask to join while some ask you to pay for their 'content' individually. (like one pic, one video) Then go on saying that if you 'bought enough' from them, they can qualify to meet them for sex services. Already sounds like a fucking joke to me. Ridiculous.

[boobsandwich]

This is what i heard from many freelancers as well. Other than prank bookings, there's many time wasters that just want to chat with them but not booking at the end. Saw some messages that these dudes sent to the FLs, some ask for nudes, some ask for discount, some ask what they're doing all this like wtf???

First off i dont go to Dome L so i'm not voicing out for them. The price just not worth it and i dont want to pay deposit as well.

Agreed there's no use ranting, just support other domes. It's just killing brain cells dwelling about it.

They can just ignore these people if they have no intention to book what? It's a small issue they can easily resolve on their own??? If these time wasters don't secure a booking within a stipulated amount of time then ignore/block them. It's that simple. Do they need people to think for them? lol. From the very start, in their ads they can indicate no small talk etc, only strictly for bookings. Still not a good excuse to force a deposit.

[ByLeft]

They can just ignore these people if they have no intention to book what? It's an issue they can easily resolve on their own??? If they don't secure a booking then ignore/block them. It's that simple. Do they need people to think for them? lol

The problem is that when they ignore the time wasters, they write fake bad reviews on them. Some people really bo liao la, there's bound to be bad apples.

[boobsandwich]

The problem is that when they ignore the time wasters, they write fake bad reviews on them. Some people really bo liao la, there's bound to be bad apples.

lol reviews are not 100% trustable in the first place. Look at here, we're swarming with a ton of fake reviews and only hear the good stuff (with everything negative removed by mods since these whores are paid advertisers) if they are that good, they will definitely have regulars what? Worry for what?

[Keima]

They can just ignore these people if they have no intention to book what? It's a small issue they can easily resolve on their own??? If these time wasters don't secure a booking within a stipulated amount of time then ignore/block them. It's that simple. Do they need people to think for them? lol. From the very start, in their ads they can indicate no small talk etc, only strictly for bookings. Still not a good excuse to force a deposit.

Wah bro, you're solutions seem very straightforward, then if everyone listened to you, the SG FL world will be all hunkydory!

I've chatted with a couple of girls who were hounded out of SG by the trolls - one sent me a screenshot. Said everyday she got dozens of similar post:

885793

Yes, she blocked them, yes her ads said no chitchat. No she didn't charge a deposit, which was what left her open to all these fake booking.

[ByLeft]

lol reviews are not 100% trustable in the first place. Look at here, we're swarming with a ton of fake reviews and only hear the good stuff (with everything negative removed by mods since these whores are paid advertisers) if they are that good, they will definitely have regulars what? Worry for what?

I'm not talking about those that here for long term. The new girls how? If newly arrived already have fake bad reviews by the trolls, how to build regular customers? Fake bad reviews can really hurt their business as many bros camp for FRs first.

Like keima said, some come here for a few days already BTH and go back already.

I'm not worrying for them, there's plenty of FLs around. Not white knight here and i dont support have deposit. Just sharing what i heard from the freelancers.

[boobsandwich]

Wah bro, you're solutions seem very straightforward, then if everyone listened to you, the SG FL world will be all hunkydory!

I've chatted with a couple of girls who were hounded out of SG by the trolls - one sent me a screenshot. Said everyday she got dozens of similar post:

885793

Yes, she blocked them, yes her ads said no chitchat. No she didn't charge a deposit, which was what left her open to all these fake booking.

This is part and parcel of what to expect if they are in this trade what? genuine people will still come along and make bookings, these trolls can just be ignored/blocked :confused:

I do have SG FL friends who encounter this on a daily basis but they have grown used to it and still continue to have a decent amount of bookings from new/regular clients alike.

[boobsandwich]

I'm not talking about those that here for long term. The new girls how? If newly arrived already have fake bad reviews by the trolls, how to build regular customers? Fake bad reviews can really hurt their business as many bros camp for FRs first.

Like keima said, some come here for a few days already BTH and go back already.

I'm not worrying for them, there's plenty of FLs around. Not white knight here and i dont support have deposit. Just sharing what i heard from the freelancers.

I don't think it is that kuazhang for them to just post only and get 1049208404 bad reviews from trolls in one instant like that. There are bound to have people who have tried them and leave some positive reviews at least. I don't believe they have 0 clients at all, no such thing. Unless you telling me she's butt ugly unattractive.

Some super negative reviews are justified when I tried contacting them myself, for the misunderstood, this is probably a very low percentage. The ones with too much positive FRs are more of the fake ones. FL was extremely rude when trying to arrange a session. Didn't proceed because she was fucked up and what did the reviews say about her? lol. That's why I said reviews don't matter much. She can start afresh with a new account if she cares so much about her 'rep'. Lots of local FLs do it.

[Btbh]

You can try your luck with sugarbook. It's not for people with low budgets.

Not true to an extent, the sugar scene is not just about money but also your looks, character and soft skills/EQ. I have a harem of SBs on rotation who charge me less than local FLs ask for but give me way more in terms of duration and services in bed. Sugaring requires more effort and time which most dudes either don't want to bother to put in or got no game or can't cause married/attached etc

Which is why I have pretty much retired from the ml fl scene. Only time I punt now is when I'm in the mood for threesome. Still haven't figured out how to convince my SBs to be up for it. One of my 2026 resolutions haha

[ByLeft]

I don't think it is that kuazhang for them to just post only and get 1049208404 bad reviews from trolls in one instant like that. There are bound to have people who have tried them and leave some positive reviews at least. I don't believe they have 0 clients at all, no such thing. Unless you telling me she's butt ugly unattractive.

Some super negative reviews are justified when I tried contacting them myself, for the misunderstood, this is probably a very low percentage. The ones with too much positive FRs are more of the fake ones. FL was extremely rude when trying to arrange a session. Didn't proceed because she was fucked up and what did the reviews say about her? lol. That's why I said reviews don't matter much. She can start afresh with a new account if she cares so much about her 'rep'. Lots of local FLs do it.

It's not so kuazhang la, i'm not saying it's instant and there's 12345 bad reviews already.

Over the first few days, just one or two is enough to do some damage and some potential customers will be put off. They have other clients but not all will write reviews, most are lazy to write. Not saying they have 0 customers because of the reviews but some of them might leave earlier if they dint get as much customer as they expected. Maybe they expect too much or they glass heart also la lol if they leave earlier because of the trolls.

Starting afresh with new account no use though as it's still the same pics and people will recognise, i'm not talking about locals that dont show pics.

Speaking of new account think we all know the infamous mael or whatever name she/he using now lol, cant believe people still falling for her scams in Dome L.

[Smiley2006]

I agree with you on the self entitled FLs and i upped you. I don't frequent local FL that much anymore due to deposit and scams. I hope the scene can improve if not I just stick to tom yum or GL mala.

[Grimmjow1984]

Dropped u a PM

You paid a half deposit of $500? wtf? I dont even see FLs asking for this high for a deposit? the actual price for one shot is 1k if that's the case? Is the FL on Dome L here? if yes, can you PM me her nick? if not, if you don't mind, mention where you found her.

[Johanbass]

Paid half deposit yesterday $500 and once she recieved it, instant blocked me and went mia. Very expensive lesson. This event has just gave me a conclusion - all these bitches are only good for fucked and offer nothing else. Fuck them & hope they get sti and karma

Stupid motherfucker :D

[boobsandwich]

Stupid motherfucker :D

He PMed me on this. He said the 'girl' sent a guy for him to meet to collect the money at Raffles Place. Probably the 'girl' is this guy the entire time. He saw the dude but didn't go up to him but the next day talked about meeting her in Dhoby Ghaut and stupidly went to transfer $500 instead. What the fuck? He want to test water, do it with $5 or something la not $500!

[Spymaster2]

The bottom line is - boycott all local FLs. Those good-for-nothings just ain't worth it.

[CosmosImai]

Stupid motherfucker :D

HAHAHA I also laughing at him

Which kind of dumb fuck pays $500 deposit when didn't even met the girl before.

[CosmosImai]

No. Ive been informed that the prank bookings in Singapore are worse here than in Shanghai.

I was chatting with a couple of euro freelancers on telegram, they left Singapore within four days as they all kept getting trolled by fake booking. It’s not a new phenomenon, local FLs have complained about trolls since SBF started. From the FL perspective, they may book an expensive hotel for the weekend and arrange two/three slots a day, so a fake booking is 1/3rd their daily ‘income’.

On the other side, I see there are scammers milking bros for $150 deposits now using Paynow. It’s up to you to make a police report, rant typing on a forum may be cathartic, but it does zero to stop the scammers.

I don’t frequent Dome L. The last SG girl I saw was a minah ML who used to escort in Dome L and left to do ML as it was a steadier income and zero agent commission. I stick to Dome 3 vietbus as I get the best balance of cost, performance and looks.

I disagree with you, the fake booking is maybe some si ginnas school holiday prank call la and if so these ginnas most likely don't have the resources to keep pranking one. Because only poor low ses losers do these type of retarded shit. Unless you tell is OKTs here want to bully them because they not under their stables.

Also if these FLs ownself book expensive hotel, is it customers problem? A simple 3 to 4 stars hotel can do the job just as well isn't it? Or some FLs can even rent condo which almost alot of FLs and stables are doing it. And these FLs one service charge so high for 1 hour only can likely cover back the entire day's hotels expenses already so money confirm is not an issue for this "pranking" problem they have.

Bros who get con is deserve to get con, because this forum exist for so many decades with so many god damn threads and legit stables here enough for them to do basic research and yet they didn't. Who are fuck can they blame other than they are stupid dumb fucks.

Bro don't believe too much of these FLs sob stories la, they one day can earn 10x more than you with lesser efforts given, you still pity them. You pity them but they will never pity you if you done nothing benefits to them. Help yourself more before thinking about them.

[notanexpert]

My golden days were 2016-2017, could get decent local FLs for maybe 450/1/1.

Even for PRCs FLs, they were accurate to their advertised age. If they used fake photos, they were also not landmine cases, so still can proceed. Now you have FLs advertising as mid 20s but they are actually mid-late 30s.

[CosmosImai]

He PMed me on this. He said the 'girl' sent a guy for him to meet to collect the money at Raffles Place. Probably the 'girl' is this guy the entire time. He saw the dude but didn't go up to him but the next day talked about meeting her in Dhoby Ghaut and stupidly went to transfer $500 instead. What the fuck? He want to test water, do it with $5 or something la not $500!

HAHAHAHAH this takes the fucking cake man. He knows and saw is a guy scammer already yet still proceeds to give $500 deposit.

Really is a stupid motherfucker. :D

Or he homo wants the guy scammer to fuck him.

[boobsandwich]

My golden days were 2016-2017, could get decent local FLs for maybe 450/1/1.

Even for PRCs FLs, they were accurate to their advertised age. If they used fake photos, they were also not landmine cases, so still can proceed. Now you have FLs advertising as mid 20s but they are actually mid-late 30s.

In my golden period where I had most fun with local FLs, (for me it was between late 2016-2019) they all charge $300 and below eh. Their age ranges from late teens to mid-late 20s FLs. Think you overpaid. Even for BBBJ quickies can be had for 150 or lesser if you know how to negotiate. Now you see how much more they charging. I remembered one whore originally charging $150 back in the days for car BBBJ and then suddenly seeing her charge 3x the price now for the same thing. Simps will still pay and spoil market on top of giving in to their retarded 'deposit before meet' bullshit.

It's hard to argue with female logic sometimes for these local independent FLs. Once I met this FL in 2024 who charged me 100 for a BBBJ quickie. Fickle minded bitch kept trying to cancel the first meet last minute but I managed to make her still come out to meet me. Was bang average, but boobs quite big, not complaining much because where to find local FL pricing this low. Not fat neither ugly, average looking. Then she did randomly text me a few days later and asked me if she should keep this price or increase it. She was lamenting the fact that she needs money on one specific night but can't find people. I told her to keep it low and you easily can have more regulars if they like your service? She said ok will keep this pricing. Then 2 weeks later I needed a release so I remembered her, I texted her to arrange something but she told me she is increasing her price to $250 for the same service 'as it is the market rate'. Apparently she lied about keeping her price. Smlj market rate? I told her I don't agree with this sudden 150% jump in price as I can't justify a reason for it. Probably some retarded simp with too much money paid her that amount once and she immediately got arrogant and thinks she is worth this much. This low class whore started calling me names and blocked me.

[Johanbass]

Dropped u a PM

fucking dumb bastard you are :D:D

[BigPants]

In my golden period where I had most fun with local FLs, (for me it was between late 2016-2019) they all charge $300 and below eh. Their age ranges from late teens to mid-late 20s FLs. Think you overpaid. Even for BBBJ quickies can be had for 150 or lesser if you know how to negotiate. Now you see how much more they charging. I remembered one whore originally charging $150 back in the days for car BBBJ and then suddenly seeing her charge 3x the price now for the same thing. Simps will still pay and spoil market on top of giving in to their retarded 'deposit before meet' bullshit.

It's hard to argue with female logic sometimes for these local independent FLs. Once I met this FL in 2024 who charged me 100 for a BBBJ quickie. Fickle minded bitch kept trying to cancel the first meet last minute but I managed to make her still come out to meet me. Was bang average, but boobs quite big, not complaining much because where to find local FL pricing this low. Not fat neither ugly, average looking. Then she did randomly text me a few days later and asked me if she should keep this price or increase it. She was lamenting the fact that she needs money on one specific night but can't find people. I told her to keep it low and you easily can have more regulars if they like your service? She said ok will keep this pricing. Then 2 weeks later I needed a release so I remembered her, I texted her to arrange something but she told me she is increasing her price to $250 for the same service 'as it is the market rate'. Apparently she lied about keeping her price. Smlj market rate? I told her I don't agree with this sudden 150% jump in price as I can't justify a reason for it. Probably some retarded simp with too much money paid her that amount once and she immediately got arrogant and thinks she is worth this much. This low class whore started calling me names and blocked me.

Think I met the FLs you talking about. These local FLs not chio one the type you outside will think they aunty or ladyboy or some bui until damn er xin but photoshopped the pics until slim... and worst even smoke until their breath smell like shit.

Even D1 average looking siambu look chioer and cheaper with full service. Although is a hit and miss these days.

[BigPants]

No. Ive been informed that the prank bookings in Singapore are worse here than in Shanghai.

I was chatting with a couple of euro freelancers on telegram, they left Singapore within four days as they all kept getting trolled by fake booking. It’s not a new phenomenon, local FLs have complained about trolls since SBF started. From the FL perspective, they may book an expensive hotel for the weekend and arrange two/three slots a day, so a fake booking is 1/3rd their daily ‘income’.

On the other side, I see there are scammers milking bros for $150 deposits now using Paynow. It’s up to you to make a police report, rant typing on a forum may be cathartic, but it does zero to stop the scammers.

I don’t frequent Dome L. The last SG girl I saw was a minah ML who used to escort in Dome L and left to do ML as it was a steadier income and zero agent commission. I stick to Dome 3 vietbus as I get the best balance of cost, performance and looks.

Is Dome 3 vietbus service getting better? Last I visit was when VPremium still around, the stable girls are pretty but service is bad. 6/10 girls cannot DFK, paint, suck boobs for few seconds they will use tissue to wipe as if they very clean like that when they daily getting fucked by guys. They also like to keep looking at time even though sometimes session end way faster than still got spare time left they will say next customer coming. And please don't say YMMV, because even the standard service they are not providing for 6 out of 10 girls. There should be bare minimum level of service standard provided since they are asking higher prices than other Domes. Exception of that lousy delusional locals FLs Dome L.

Overall experience is not that great with majority of vietbu unless book the ang pai with a lot of good reviews like Queen, Mimi, etc. I would say late 2019 was better then it still to deteriorate. But the ML scene vietbu is different and give better service but looks varies a lot because some of the viet ML is aunty looking type not as pretty as Dome 3 one.

Any recommendation for current Dome 3 viets? I saw have 2 stables, which one is better service?

[Keima]

Is Dome 3 vietbus service getting better? Last I visit was when VPremium still around, the stable girls are pretty but service is bad. 6/10 girls cannot DFK, paint, suck boobs for few seconds they will use tissue to wipe as if they very clean like that when they daily getting fucked by guys. They also like to keep looking at time even though sometimes session end way faster than still got spare time left they will say next customer coming. And please don't say YMMV, because even the standard service they are not providing for 6 out of 10 girls. There should be bare minimum level of service standard provided since they are asking higher prices than other Domes. Exception of that lousy delusional locals FLs Dome L.

Overall experience is not that great with majority of vietbu unless book the ang pai with a lot of good reviews like Queen, Mimi, etc. I would say late 2019 was better then it still to deteriorate. But the ML scene vietbu is different and give better service but looks varies a lot because some of the viet ML is aunty looking type not as pretty as Dome 3 one.

Any recommendation for current Dome 3 viets? I saw have 2 stables, which one is better service?

I’ve tried both of the new stables, and they are good for me. Note that VPremium started in 2019 with viet professional hookers on tour, that’s why they were $300/1/1, but these girls were in four star hotels, and bloody good bonks.

The price dropped during Covid, and has stayed at $250/1/1.

Yeah, I hate tissue paper FLs who wipe everything. Had PRC and Jap FLs that it that as well.

Read my FRs in Dome 3 great bonks. Mimi is still around, available via Vscort’s second telegram channel.

[klkk555]

Is Dome 3 vietbus service getting better? Last I visit was when VPremium still around, the stable girls are pretty but service is bad. 6/10 girls cannot DFK, paint, suck boobs for few seconds they will use tissue to wipe as if they very clean like that when they daily getting fucked by guys. They also like to keep looking at time even though sometimes session end way faster than still got spare time left they will say next customer coming. And please don't say YMMV, because even the standard service they are not providing for 6 out of 10 girls. There should be bare minimum level of service standard provided since they are asking higher prices than other Domes. Exception of that lousy delusional locals FLs Dome L.

Overall experience is not that great with majority of vietbu unless book the ang pai with a lot of good reviews like Queen, Mimi, etc. I would say late 2019 was better then it still to deteriorate. But the ML scene vietbu is different and give better service but looks varies a lot because some of the viet ML is aunty looking type not as pretty as Dome 3 one.

Any recommendation for current Dome 3 viets? I saw have 2 stables, which one is better service?

agree bro, those that keep wiping is a f turn off, and they have been f by so many men i think i should be wary of them instead. it's really a f turn off for me too, unfortunately like what the other bro said, any nationality can have this kind. jap, viet, prc, Malaysian, Dome L i didn't try much enough but so far seems ok but could be because of low numbers.

[hoxomed]

Hard to find good local fls nowadays

[boobsandwich]

Let me share something I experienced with local FLs in the recent years. This is very common especially if the bitch is Gen Z. Gonna use one example. Chatted with this bitch in her early 20s who was selling her body. She kept insisting on seeing my face pic. I asked her how is this relevant? Got one of the most retarded responses ever.

'To see if we have chemistry'

I explained to her what does 'chemistry' mean in this context then she started getting really offended and said I'm ugly and poor etc. I laughed at off and called her a dumb bitch. I said if you care about how the guy looks, using this as selection criteria when you're asking to be paid for a sexual transaction, you're delusional. Suggested her to go to a dating app if she cares about looks so much. She lost her head and started saying she's going to sue me LOL.

Yeah, lots of gen Z bitches who wanna sell their bodies, exploring this line tend to be this retarded and entitled, thinking the world revolves around them. Want to see your face etc. Long time ago, I was asked for 'pic exchange', sent my face pic first and bitch didn't fulfill her side of the deal and never sent her pic back. Privacy matters, so I never ever send them ever again especially with lots of dumb bitches who double cross you like this, working as whores.

[antimax]

Let me share something I experienced with local FLs in the recent years. This is very common especially if the bitch is Gen Z. Gonna use one example. Chatted with this bitch in her early 20s who was selling her body. She kept insisting on seeing my face pic. I asked her how is this relevant? Got one of the most retarded responses ever.

'To see if we have chemistry'

I explained to her what does 'chemistry' mean in this context then she started getting really offended and said I'm ugly and poor etc. I laughed at off and called her a dumb bitch. I said if you care about how the guy looks, using this as selection criteria when you're asking to be paid for a sexual transaction, you're delusional. Suggested her to go to a dating app if she cares about looks so much. She lost her head and started saying she's going to sue me LOL.

Yeah, lots of gen Z bitches who wanna sell their bodies, exploring this line tend to be this retarded and entitled, thinking the world revolves around them. Want to see your face etc. Long time ago, I was asked for 'pic exchange', sent my face pic first and bitch didn't fulfill her side of the deal and never sent her pic back. Privacy matters, so I never ever send them ever again especially with lots of dumb bitches who double cross you like this, working as whores.

I totally agree with you bro about these Gen Z bitches. I do sugaring quite often but nowadays in order to find that 1 or 2 gems, I have to go through and deal with tons of brainless gen z who are obviously out to sell their bodies (but sugar baby is a nicer word to bluff themselves), demands crazy prices even though they are just normal next-door plain girls, and yet still requests for vibe and chemistry check, and some even have the most ridiculous long-list of dont's in bed

[boobsandwich]

I totally agree with you bro about these Gen Z bitches. I do sugaring quite often but nowadays in order to find that 1 or 2 gems, I have to go through and deal with tons of brainless gen z who are obviously out to sell their bodies (but sugar baby is a nicer word to bluff themselves), demands crazy prices even though they are just normal next-door plain girls, and yet still requests for vibe and chemistry check, and some even have the most ridiculous long-list of dont's in bed

Seen some with flat chests, no butt, plain jane face (some even below average) and they amount they demanding is lmao plus the long ass list of what they don't do and some including no BBBJ la, everything also cannot. They expecting kumgong guys to rain money on them. Fucking delusional cunts. Gen Z whores are just amplifying the levels of the entitlement they have as compared to the rest. Whoever giving in to their demands are contributing to the problem.

[oldmanmanman]

Let me share something I experienced with local FLs in the recent years. This is very common especially if the bitch is Gen Z. Gonna use one example. Chatted with this bitch in her early 20s who was selling her body. She kept insisting on seeing my face pic. I asked her how is this relevant? Got one of the most retarded responses ever.

'To see if we have chemistry'

I explained to her what does 'chemistry' mean in this context then she started getting really offended and said I'm ugly and poor etc. I laughed at off and called her a dumb bitch. I said if you care about how the guy looks, using this as selection criteria when you're asking to be paid for a sexual transaction, you're delusional. Suggested her to go to a dating app if she cares about looks so much. She lost her head and started saying she's going to sue me LOL.

Yeah, lots of gen Z bitches who wanna sell their bodies, exploring this line tend to be this retarded and entitled, thinking the world revolves around them. Want to see your face etc. Long time ago, I was asked for 'pic exchange', sent my face pic first and bitch didn't fulfill her side of the deal and never sent her pic back. Privacy matters, so I never ever send them ever again especially with lots of dumb bitches who double cross you like this, working as whores.

you never just shoot her. "you are just a whore, stop putting yourself on a pedestal"

[antimax]

Seen some with flat chests, no butt, plain jane face (some even below average) and they amount they demanding is lmao plus the long ass list of what they don't do and some including no BBBJ la, everything also cannot. They expecting kumgong guys to rain money on them. Fucking delusional cunts. Gen Z whores are just amplifying the levels of the entitlement they have as compared to the rest. Whoever giving in to their demands are contributing to the problem.

Yup there are simps that are giving in to their demands because sometimes when i give it to these gen z girls about their ridiculous demands and unrealistic expectations, their typical reply is "but the previous guy is okay with all of them leh".

Got once a malaysian gen z still can tell me it's because i don't earn enough that's why i think her asking price is too high. But the fact is she doesn't deserve the amount she is asking for. You don't pay ferrari/lambo price for a jap car. But nowadays so many dumb gen z thinks they are all exotic italian supercars

[boobsandwich]

Yup there are simps that are giving in to their demands because sometimes when i give it to these gen z girls about their ridiculous demands and unrealistic expectations, their typical reply is "but the previous guy is okay with all of them leh".

Got once a malaysian gen z still can tell me it's because i don't earn enough that's why i think her asking price is too high. But the fact is she doesn't deserve the amount she is asking for. You don't pay ferrari/lambo price for a jap car. But nowadays so many dumb gen z thinks they are all exotic italian supercars

Eh same. Got one dumb bitch told me her previous SD always pay her $700 per meet and I refused to because I don't think she makes the cut for that price tag with how she looks. She said 'the previous one paid me that amount so I'm not going any lower than that. Price is fixed'. Fuck off lol. It's not even an SD SB thing in the fucking first place. It's just a one off paid sexual transaction.

[Xgenre]

Let me share something I experienced with local FLs in the recent years. This is very common especially if the bitch is Gen Z. Gonna use one example. Chatted with this bitch in her early 20s who was selling her body. She kept insisting on seeing my face pic. I asked her how is this relevant? Got one of the most retarded responses ever.

'To see if we have chemistry'

I explained to her what does 'chemistry' mean in this context then she started getting really offended and said I'm ugly and poor etc. I laughed at off and called her a dumb bitch. I said if you care about how the guy looks, using this as selection criteria when you're asking to be paid for a sexual transaction, you're delusional. Suggested her to go to a dating app if she cares about looks so much. She lost her head and started saying she's going to sue me LOL.

2 potential reasons. 1 is she is trying to scam you. Once you have shown your face, she may threaten to post screenshots of your chat plus the photo. Then you have to buy her silence.

Secondly, she is in her early 20s and isn't short of customers. She wants to screen her customers to make sure age gap isn't too big. Suitable race etc. She can do so if she isn't meeting that many guys or if she already has a regular base. With a regular base, she can be more selective about new guys.

Geylang or the ad hoc massage shops make be easier. Just as young, cheaper in price

[boobsandwich]

you never just shoot her. "you are just a whore, stop putting yourself on a pedestal"

They all after a while will clear chat and block me leh. Their signature move.

[boobsandwich]

2 potential reasons. 1 is she is trying to scam you. Once you have shown your face, she may threaten to post screenshots of your chat plus the photo. Then you have to buy her silence.

Secondly, she is in her early 20s and isn't short of customers. She wants to screen her customers to make sure age gap isn't too big. Suitable race etc. She can do so if she isn't meeting that many guys or if she already has a regular base. With a regular base, she can be more selective about new guys.

Geylang or the ad hoc massage shops make be easier. Just as young, cheaper in price

After a bit of chatting with her, she's just exploring being in this line for quick easy money but with her long list of demands and requirements, I think she might end up not even meeting anyone ever. She has never met anyone despite chatting with many over a couple of weeks. Clearly the problem is with her. Age young so what, if you piss everyone off during the chatting/nego phase, can't even hold a conversation, (many gen Z whores are dead texters in the first place, expecting the guy to carry while they got nothing to give back in return, take ages to reply or give nonsensical responses like lol or HAHAHAH, followed by dead silence again) Nobody even fucking wants you lmao. I've spoken to a lot of gen Z whores who are like this. It's like they're waiting for some drop dead gorgeous K pop boyband star lookalike/ang moh stud to sweep her off her feet, offer thousands then she agrees to meet him for paid sex.

Imagine needing to be good looking and rich just to fit her criteria while she is average/ugly and asking for thousands of dollars and to be doted on like a princess. If you got the looks/body then it's a different story as you can justify a high price tag but from what I see most are either ugly or super duper plain Janes with no tits no ass. They need a hard bitch slap back to reality. Life is not a korean drama/hollywood movie.

[samdiy]

Just here to speak my mind. I've had my fair share of local FLs over the past couple of years (independents) who are not advertised here. Just wanna share my thoughts on trends that I've been observing over the years. I source my local FLs somewhere else. I take a glance through Dome L and noticed that it is very much prevalent here as well. I'm talking about forced deposits.

Back when I was sourcing for local FLs in 2017-2019 period (before covid). I managed to find many FLs to do what I want, which is typically BBBJ CIM (in car or outdoor if they're ballsy enough) quickies for decent pricings. (Below 200 a pop) I enjoy the thrill of the hunt and could occasionally get SYTs. This is the golden period of local FLs for me (not from SBF, I must reiterate). This time period, girls were aplenty. No such thing as deposits. Then came some who asked for taxi fares prior to meet. Amount wasn't big, $20-30, I blindly transferred, then got blocked after that. My first encounter with scammers, I was young, dumb and desperate then. It was probably in 2018. I got burnt a few times (2-3 times) with this deposit scam, they sure do get creative. Until I got scarred and swear off deposits.

Covid happened. Nobody could meet. During that period, the amount of local independent FLs dropped off drastically. Lots of the good ones have retired as they usually only appear if they need money. The best ones are those who appear just once, meet you, you have a smashing good time with them and then block you after they get their money. I understand because no girl will do this in the long run, mostly it's just to pay off debts to ease their financial liabilities. Things took a drastic turn and now post-covid, a lot stopped doing actual meet up services. In comes all those 'girls' selling 'nudes and videos'. Many of those who are scammers. (they block you the moment you counter them asking for a voice recording/tele video bubble call to verify if they're real females) In all honesty, i think this is a waste of money as I'm still traditional in a sense that I will only pay money for actual services in real life.


Then as the years went by, from your typical texting to arrange meetups in the most straight forward, no frills manner, it slowly moved towards the direction of 'no deposit, no booking'. From my past negative experiences with scammers, I cannot adhere to this. I get Vietnam flashbacks on my money disappearing and seeing me get blocked by these 'girls'. Why is this even a thing? Oh yes, they claim that guys waste their time or are no shows. I combat this by specifically saying, I drive to you, pick you up, we go to the location, pay you, do the deed and part ways. Does this sound good enough? They still insist on deposits, on top of the already very high asking price. Refusing to budge. (their prices went up drastically over the years too, whoreflation?) Price is subjective as every guy might perceive value differently. Maybe one guy is a high income earner and sees $1k per shot as peanuts to him? I don't actively source for local FLs and when I need to release as I observe the stock of girls between the SBF domes to see who meets my needs and has a balance between services, looks and price. Most of the time D1 does a good job to satisfy my needs.

Right now on to the crux of the issue. Forced deposits. Why is this even a thing? Or are simps ruining the market by giving in to these unnecessary requirements which wasn't a thing just a couple of years back? I also think the idea of 'rejection fees' are one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Have they placed these local FLs on a pedestal, giving into their demands that's why prices are going bonkers and putting strange unnecessary requirements to be a 'norm'? Notice how limited the service list is for local FLs lol. And they are asking a fortune. Some girls from other domes have considerably bigger boobs (most local FLs chests are just too tiny as a boob lover myself, C cup is a joke to me) looks better than them, does way more services, treats like you a king, you go home a happy, satisfied man after the session and pay just a fraction of the price. I mean, let fools part with their hard-earned money, I guess. Are simps the root of the problem allowing all this to happen? To add on, giving in to deposits, puts them a position above you as they already have secured let's say $100 and whenever they feel like being unreasonable, especially with female logic, they can decide to not honor the deal and your deposit is up in smoke. It's a win for them and if you complain, the white knights will come to her defense. You'll always be in the losing situation should she get the deposit money first prior to the session. I think I also need to mention how the new gen of younger FLs are snowflakes in a way that every small thing offends them and their knee jerk reaction is to block you and clear chat in an instant (on telegram). Do you still wanna pay a deposit to these kind of local FLs lol? This is just not right, in my opinion. Just remember, dudes. You are the paymaster. Do the right thing.

Thank you for listening to my TED Talk.


Agree easy to lose deposit as the tiniest excuse like you take too long to show up because instructions were unclear etc
As for foreign FLs the ones from a country North of Thailand ask for payment upfront but sometimes after just 10 minutes of service ask you to hurry up or go for hj not even bj when you have paid for fj 1 hr. Really miss the service levels before Covid.

[samdiy]

Not true to an extent, the sugar scene is not just about money but also your looks, character and soft skills/EQ. I have a harem of SBs on rotation who charge me less than local FLs ask for but give me way more in terms of duration and services in bed. Sugaring requires more effort and time which most dudes either don't want to bother to put in or got no game or can't cause married/attached etc

Which is why I have pretty much retired from the ml fl scene. Only time I punt now is when I'm in the mood for threesome. Still haven't figured out how to convince my SBs to be up for it. One of my 2026 resolutions haha

Just read some 3p reviews from LOS stable Illuzionsex.The OKT seems humble and polite.You might want to test if reviews are true.

[boobsandwich]

Agree easy to lose deposit as the tiniest excuse like you take too long to show up because instructions were unclear etc
As for foreign FLs the ones from a country North of Thailand ask for payment upfront but sometimes after just 10 minutes of service ask you to hurry up or go for hj not even bj when you have paid for fj 1 hr. Really miss the service levels before Covid.

I dealt with some local FLs last time who kept using really lame excuses like suddenly 'sick' when it comes to meeting on the day itself. But thankfully that time, this deposit bullshit wasn't a thing. Imagine if you paid a deposit to get this kind of dogshit response just moments before meeting. She keeps conveniently postponing on you and your deposit is gone liao because she just cheated you. All stuff like this just shows how fucking stupid the deposit thing is, other than the whore telling you that she's greedy af.

FLs asking for payment before service is a standard thing. It's just a matter of whether they give good service or not. If service is bad, then consider your money wasted.

[timeliness]

I dealt with some local FLs last time who kept using really lame excuses like suddenly 'sick' when it comes to meeting on the day itself. But thankfully that time, this deposit bullshit wasn't a thing. Imagine if you paid a deposit to get this kind of dogshit response just moments before meeting. She keeps conveniently postponing on you and your deposit is gone liao because she just cheated you. All stuff like this just shows how fucking stupid the deposit thing is, other than the whore telling you that she's greedy af.

FLs asking for payment before service is a standard thing. It's just a matter of whether they give good service or not. If service is bad, then consider your money wasted.

FLs asking for payment before service is standard, but asking for service even before meeting is a big red flag no for me.

Till now I still don't understand why we as the paymaster must be subjected to such unreasonable deposit and rejection terms.

[boobsandwich]

FLs asking for payment before service is standard, but asking for service even before meeting is a big red flag no for me.

Till now I still don't understand why we as the paymaster must be subjected to such unreasonable deposit and rejection terms.

Take a peek at Dome L and also non SBF local FLs (elsewhere), most of them adopted this retarded practice. Simps giving in to their demands is the only reason keeping them afloat. It is the root of the problem. If every cheongster is sensible and could think logically, they will never pay this retarded deposit and make these whores go back to the regular COD system as that is the norm the whole time.

[horninomy]

Take a peek at Dome L and also non SBF local FLs (elsewhere), most of them adopted this retarded practice. Simps giving in to their demands is the only reason keeping them afloat. It is the root of the problem. If every cheongster is sensible and could think logically, they will never pay this retarded deposit and make these whores go back to the regular COD system as that is the norm the whole time.

Hihi, just want to chime in abit to also see another perspective so it can lead to better discussions. I do agree deposits are a little off putting, but a deposit also ensures clients dont fly kite.

Most people will opt for incalls which means must have a place on standby which is fixed overhead. if a cliet suddenly ghost and fly kite, the FL is left with a 1 hour slot vacant because of no show and thus lost of income.

So now the question is what can be done to so both consumer and provider are happy?

[boobsandwich]

Hihi, just want to chime in abit to also see another perspective so it can lead to better discussions. I do agree deposits are a little off putting, but a deposit also ensures clients dont fly kite.

Most people will opt for incalls which means must have a place on standby which is fixed overhead. if a cliet suddenly ghost and fly kite, the FL is left with a 1 hour slot vacant because of no show and thus lost of income.

So now the question is what can be done to so both consumer and provider are happy?

Ask consumer to show live location an hour prior to booking to make sure he is really on the way. This is enough. I don't think people are that free to come all the way down and then become a no-show, completely wasting his time travelling (unless the person he is meeting looks completely way off from what she posted). I even do this to date if the girl wants assurance that I won't cancel last minute even when I'm still coming to pick her up. Once she can see where he is exactly, it eliminates these 'no shows'. Won't you get a peace of mind that he is really coming and you can see where he is exactly? Likewise for independent FLs, get the guy to come pick you up (if they have car) or have them pay for transport to pick you up and go to the hotel/location (if it has been agreed to) but ensure the guy's live location tracking is on so he is REALLY there. Need deposit for fuck? Like as if noshows didn't exist back then when forced deposits weren't a thing. Until whores decided to play the greed card.

I see your account is freshly created in Dec 2025 with this being your only post. Are you one of the independent FLs in Dome L using a clone account to chat here to 'speak up' for your fellow FLs?

[Fately]

This deposit nonsense only exists in Singapore. In other countries it is always see first or service first. Unless you include the premium ones even if so, they are still see first before payment without deposit.

[timeliness]

Hihi, just want to chime in abit to also see another perspective so it can lead to better discussions. I do agree deposits are a little off putting, but a deposit also ensures clients dont fly kite.

Most people will opt for incalls which means must have a place on standby which is fixed overhead. if a cliet suddenly ghost and fly kite, the FL is left with a 1 hour slot vacant because of no show and thus lost of income.

So now the question is what can be done to so both consumer and provider are happy?

Clients reserve the right to reject upon seeing the FL in person, so no deposit/rejection fees. A video of the surrounding location 5 to 10 mins before the scheduled meeting time should be good enough.

Or like another bro suggested, live location 1 hour before meeting time to show them that he's on the way.

[boobsandwich]

Clients reserve the right to reject upon seeing the FL in person, so no deposit/rejection fees. A video of the surrounding location 5 to 10 mins before the scheduled meeting time should be good enough.

Or like another bro suggested, live location 1 hour before meeting time to show them that he's on the way.

Still waiting for this clone account to reply to our logical suggestions. Unless she got the substance to use her main account to reply us :D

I also want to know the logic behind this 'rejection fee' that ONLY local FLs demand for. Boggles my mind.

[Xgenre]

After a bit of chatting with her, she's just exploring being in this line for quick easy money but with her long list of demands and requirements, I think she might end up not even meeting anyone ever. She has never met anyone despite chatting with many over a couple of weeks. Clearly the problem is with her. Age young so what.

If sex is just a transaction to you, please stick to Geylang legal houses and the joints advertised here. Why choose local fl if you are so inflexible? She just told you she has never met anyone before and she doesn't know how to proceed. She needs someone to lead her safely through the process. In exchange, you get a non-commercial experience because she is a newbie.

After what she had shared, you should be thinking of how to proceed to the next stage. From each person chatting behind a phone/laptop to having sex in person. I would have bought her a meal or coffee in a crowded venue. Somewhere safe where she can retreat if she feels uncomfortable. By the end of the meal/coffee, I will ask her if she will like to proceed. Let her form an opinion of you.

If this is too beyond you, stick to Geylang or places where having sex is more certain. It's a waste you didn't have a plan. Think through so that you can handle it better if a similar situation arises.

[boobsandwich]

If sex is just a transaction to you, please stick to Geylang legal houses and the joints advertised here. Why choose local fl if you are so inflexible? She just told you she has never met anyone before and she doesn't know how to proceed. She needs someone to lead her safely through the process. In exchange, you get a non-commercial experience because she is a newbie.

After what she had shared, you should be thinking of how to proceed to the next stage. From each person chatting behind a phone/laptop to having sex in person. I would have bought her a meal or coffee in a crowded venue. Somewhere safe where she can retreat if she feels uncomfortable. By the end of the meal/coffee, I will ask her if she will like to proceed. Let her form an opinion of you.

If this is too beyond you, stick to Geylang or places where having sex is more certain. It's a waste you didn't have a plan. Think through so that you can handle it better if a similar situation arises.

I didn't choose her, she came to approach me first? They're just potential options for me if negotiations are successful. Who says I'm inflexible? I ALWAYS make the effort to find middle ground when it comes to arranging something. It's just these bitches who want everything their way, they're the inflexible ones with unreasonable demands. I won't go all out to choose a local FL because I have had a lot of negative experiences with them. I have so many options here to choose from? IF i come across a decent one who doesn't talk out of her ass with really low EQ, getting triggered easily like the one I'm talking about, I would definitely love to meet her if the price isn't at delusional levels. You give such a negative impression of yourself and starting fights with your potential paymaster, who the fuck wants to engage with you?

Lol talk is cheap. You talk as if you can chat any young FL up and get them to meet over coffee when you don't know how horrible this person is, unable to even hold a decent proper conversation without finding ways to piss the other party off.

I already said she has been trying for so long and not still not a single person wants to even meet up with her? You can't read between the lines to see that SHE is the entitled problematic one? I'm sorry I know a simp when I see one.

You have to stop putting local whores on a pedestal.

I met enough local whores already both good and bad over the years I'm just talking about the new gen of entitled bitches who ask for the skies and simps like you LOVE giving in to them and also go lengths to defend them lol.

[boobsandwich]

Awesome response. Guiding the lesser men with baby steps while elevating your position as a gentleman. HAHAHA.

there is a difference between being a true gentleman and a doormat beta male who gets trampled on and manipulated by girls aka Simp.

[timeliness]

Still waiting for this clone account to reply to our logical suggestions. Unless she got the substance to use her main account to reply us :D

I also want to know the logic behind this 'rejection fee' that ONLY local FLs demand for. Boggles my mind.

Some lump the rejection fee together with this deposit, imagine see all the filtered PS photo then go down and end up having blue balls coz the photos were taken 10 years ago and wallet leaving $100 lighter...

Like that we should also start claiming rejection fees from the girls coz they look too far off from what's acceptable from their pics tio bo?

[boobsandwich]

Some lump the rejection fee together with this deposit, imagine see all the filtered PS photo then go down and end up having blue balls coz the photos were taken 10 years ago and wallet leaving $100 lighter...

Like that we should also start claiming rejection fees from the girls coz they look too far off from what's acceptable from their pics tio bo?

I know of one of the FLs in dome L now that I met before last time before she even advertised here. The pics she is using now were taken over 10 years + ago and she also increased her price almost 3x now. All the FRs are overwhelmingly positive. Nobody even mentioning that they're shortchanged by the pictures not matching how she looks like IRL (she put on a LOT of weight). Totally believable man.

Imagine it's you being cheated like this, u see a slim girl advertised, you book her then she turns out to be a fucking whale. And she STILL asks you for rejection fees.

[scouringstick]

I know of one of the FLs in dome L now that I met before last time before she even advertised here. The pics she is using now were taken over 10 years + ago and she also increased her price almost 3x now. All the FRs are overwhelmingly positive. Nobody even mentioning that they're shortchanged by the pictures not matching how she looks like IRL (she put on a LOT of weight). Totally believable man.

Imagine it's you being cheated like this, u see a slim girl advertised, you book her then she turns out to be a fucking whale. And she STILL asks you for rejection fees.

Amanda ah? Hahaha. Precisely.. old recycled pics being used all over

[boobsandwich]

Amanda ah? Hahaha. Precisely.. old recycled pics being used all over

Bingo. I don't think she is the only one who does this crap. She's also a compulsive liar. The fake FRs are sickening to read.

[Quaghog]

Bingo. I don't think she is the only one who does this crap. She's also a compulsive liar. The fake FRs are sickening to read.

That's why I'm very skeptical of all FRs here in this forum. At least 90% of FRs is fake one across all Domes.

Some write got dragon got phoenix but in reality is totally polar opposite of what they wrote. But still got dumb idiots defending

[timeliness]

I know of one of the FLs in dome L now that I met before last time before she even advertised here. The pics she is using now were taken over 10 years + ago and she also increased her price almost 3x now. All the FRs are overwhelmingly positive. Nobody even mentioning that they're shortchanged by the pictures not matching how she looks like IRL (she put on a LOT of weight). Totally believable man.

Imagine it's you being cheated like this, u see a slim girl advertised, you book her then she turns out to be a fucking whale. And she STILL asks you for rejection fees.

There was another local FL who advertised doing male squirting, so I went to book and try out of curiosity, only for her to say in my face that it depends on different people.

The thing was.. I see her liao I also lost all urge to stand, let alone try the squirt lol. But it's been a few years already so don't ask me who, coz I also forgot le.

[baloo90]

I don't visit any that "require" rejection fee.

Today, I assume 99% of all photos are taken with beauty cam. When i see them if they look so different I'm not attracted to them, I walk and scold them. Had one fat one was shocked I scolded.

[boobsandwich]

There was another local FL who advertised doing male squirting, so I went to book and try out of curiosity, only for her to say in my face that it depends on different people.

The thing was.. I see her liao I also lost all urge to stand, let alone try the squirt lol. But it's been a few years already so don't ask me who, coz I also forgot le.

Did u reject her on the spot? Did she ask for rejection fees? :D

[boobsandwich]

That's why I'm very skeptical of all FRs here in this forum. At least 90% of FRs is fake one across all Domes.

Some write got dragon got phoenix but in reality is totally polar opposite of what they wrote. But still got dumb idiots defending

The ones defending are the clone accounts themselves. This forum is full of fakery it has become a joke.

[horninomy]

Ask consumer to show live location an hour prior to booking to make sure he is really on the way. This is enough. I don't think people are that free to come all the way down and then become a no-show, completely wasting his time travelling (unless the person he is meeting looks completely way off from what she posted). I even do this to date if the girl wants assurance that I won't cancel last minute even when I'm still coming to pick her up. Once she can see where he is exactly, it eliminates these 'no shows'. Won't you get a peace of mind that he is really coming and you can see where he is exactly? Likewise for independent FLs, get the guy to come pick you up (if they have car) or have them pay for transport to pick you up and go to the hotel/location (if it has been agreed to) but ensure the guy's live location tracking is on so he is REALLY there. Need deposit for fuck? Like as if noshows didn't exist back then when forced deposits weren't a thing. Until whores decided to play the greed card.

I see your account is freshly created in Dec 2025 with this being your only post. Are you one of the independent FLs in Dome L using a clone account to chat here to 'speak up' for your fellow FLs?

Hihi, in no way am I speaking for either side. I just creating dialogue and observing cause I have thoughts of entering the FL scene but I will take my time to do some research to fix up my T&Cs. By creating constructive dialogue maybe other FLs can also adjust their policies.

I too agreed with you that deposits are kinda rubbish in my previous post so please dont misunderstand me. Im just looking to understanding the pain points of consumers and providers before starting business.

Location sharing makes sense for outcall services. but what about incalls because that seems like a preferred option for most bros.

[timeliness]

Did u reject her on the spot? Did she ask for rejection fees? :D

来都来了, but I think she didn't dare to ask me for rejection fees also la. Back then I was young and reckless so I try anything that piqued my curiosity, but I didn't reject her, nor did she manage to do her man squirting on me.

[sa101666]

Hihi, in no way am I speaking for either side. I just creating dialogue and observing cause I have thoughts of entering the FL scene but I will take my time to do some research to fix up my T&Cs. By creating constructive dialogue maybe other FLs can also adjust their policies.

I too agreed with you that deposits are kinda rubbish in my previous post so please dont misunderstand me. Im just looking to understanding the pain points of consumers and providers before starting business.

Location sharing makes sense for outcall services. but what about incalls because that seems like a preferred option for most bros.

The only way for them to stop this shit is for the simps to stop giving deposits. If people keep giving them deposits, why would they stop?

[boobsandwich]

Hihi, in no way am I speaking for either side. I just creating dialogue and observing cause I have thoughts of entering the FL scene but I will take my time to do some research to fix up my T&Cs. By creating constructive dialogue maybe other FLs can also adjust their policies.

I too agreed with you that deposits are kinda rubbish in my previous post so please dont misunderstand me. Im just looking to understanding the pain points of consumers and providers before starting business.

Location sharing makes sense for outcall services. but what about incalls because that seems like a preferred option for most bros.

Incall/outcall doesn't make a difference when location services are used to track the person's whereabouts what? Another bro even mentioned taking a video of surroundings when he reaches the location, so aren't all those fair enough to show that the person is genuine and is not a not-show/troll/time waster instead of asking for stupid deposits?

And yes, deposits are rubbish but we cannot stop desperate doormat simps from doing this and feeding this bad practice which should NEVER be a thing in the first place.

[boobsandwich]

The only way for them to stop this shit is for the simps to stop giving deposits. If people keep giving them deposits, why would they stop?

Simps are the root cause of this since they willingly give in and won't argue or question why things are this way etc. Take a look at the previous page here and you see a post made by a simp beta cuck who thinks he's being a 'classy gentleman' to these whores. Lol who's going to tell him that the bitch doesn't care and they prefer doormat losers like them who give in to their demands no matter what and can milk them dry for their stupidity and ease to manipulate? They think being simps will make the whores go head over heels for them? This brand of losers really need a slap in the face to wake up to reality.

[SaucyBoy]

Incall/outcall doesn't make a difference when location services are used to track the person's whereabouts what? Another bro even mentioned taking a video of surroundings when he reaches the location, so aren't all those fair enough to show that the person is genuine and is not a not-show/troll/time waster instead of asking for stupid deposits?

And yes, deposits are rubbish but we cannot stop desperate doormat simps from doing this and feeding this bad practice which should NEVER be a thing in the first place.

Know your this thread is about local FLs

But bro your recent D1 FR really resonates very well.

A lot of the FLs now do minimum service yet still get full paid. The OKTs also non nonchalant about their girls bad attitude and service. SG scene really like a shithole.

I go JB side i never once encounter bad service and can even play more with the girls with CHEAPER rates and more good looking.

Really one is heaven one is hell.

[timeliness]

Simps are the root cause of this since they willingly give in and won't argue or question why things are this way etc. Take a look at the previous page here and you see a post made by a simp beta cuck who thinks he's being a 'classy gentleman' to these whores. Lol who's going to tell him that the bitch doesn't care and they prefer doormat losers like them who give in to their demands no matter what and can milk them dry for their stupidity and ease to manipulate? They think being simps will make the whores go head over heels for them? This brand of losers really need a slap in the face to wake up to reality.

As the old adage goes.. No money no honey. So simps give the money thinking they can get honey, but instead of manuka honey, they got expired or even fake honey.

Sometimes life just gotta give those simps a lesson by burning their wallets a lil bit.

[StarBreaker]

Visited a few of this FLs last time... Most of them were on Kpod. Just gave up after, really half assed and lazy service

[DanRockHard]

Know your this thread is about local FLs

But bro your recent D1 FR really resonates very well.

A lot of the FLs now do minimum service yet still get full paid. The OKTs also non nonchalant about their girls bad attitude and service. SG scene really like a shithole.

I go JB side i never once encounter bad service and can even play more with the girls with CHEAPER rates and more good looking.

Really one is heaven one is hell.

Encountered the same thing too, very bad now bro

[DanRockHard]

Visited a few of this FLs last time... Most of them were on Kpod. Just gave up after, really half assed and lazy service

Should just baotoh them. Call AV when you leave the place

[boobsandwich]

As the old adage goes.. No money no honey. So simps give the money thinking they can get honey, but instead of manuka honey, they got expired or even fake honey.

Sometimes life just gotta give those simps a lesson by burning their wallets a lil bit.

Their logic is that they be super nice to these whores thinking these whores will treat them like kings but that doesn't apply here. You too nice to them, the more they'll step on your head and take advantage and these beta cucks will just continue giving in, making these local whores even more arrogant. Fucking retards.

[boobsandwich]

Know your this thread is about local FLs

But bro your recent D1 FR really resonates very well.

A lot of the FLs now do minimum service yet still get full paid. The OKTs also non nonchalant about their girls bad attitude and service. SG scene really like a shithole.

I go JB side i never once encounter bad service and can even play more with the girls with CHEAPER rates and more good looking.

Really one is heaven one is hell.

Service standards have never been high in the first place. It's been consistently on free fall for some time already. If I'm super lucky, having chemistry with the FL (in other domes) they can give somewhat ok service, but rarely super good service that treats me like a king.

[boobsandwich]

Should just baotoh them. Call AV when you leave the place

My experience with some lazy fuck local FLs:

When giving BBBJ keep asking u if u cumming soon or not. Really turn off. They just want to rush the job :mad:

Another one to mention is their fickle mindedness, always last minute change timing or cancel/postpone. Confirmed last minute their friend ask them out/another Robert offer higher price so cancel on me. Not honoring of deals is extremely common because they only care about $$, they don't feel even a slight tinge of remorse or guilt for flying airplane on someone. And now they want to force deposits for bookings citing these 'no shows' as a lame excuse. Double standards.

[ahboy25]

wow never encountered local FLs before. But looks like that reviews of them are not that great either. Based on all the experienced bros here, seems like not worth to try local FLs? High charges plus lousy service.

Looking at the prices, some I think can rival some China MLs I've tried before whose service are quite good too. Generally dislike those who in the middle of sex ask if I've cummed already. I even encountered one who took out my cap when I said I haven't finished. She thought I was joking when I said I haven't finish since I was going on for about 20mins. But she was highly apologetic and offered to CIM after she realised I was not kidding haha

[boobsandwich]

wow never encountered local FLs before. But looks like that reviews of them are not that great either. Based on all the experienced bros here, seems like not worth to try local FLs? High charges plus lousy service.

Looking at the prices, some I think can rival some China MLs I've tried before whose service are quite good too. Generally dislike those who in the middle of sex ask if I've cummed already. I even encountered one who took out my cap when I said I haven't finished. She thought I was joking when I said I haven't finish since I was going on for about 20mins. But she was highly apologetic and offered to CIM after she realised I was not kidding haha

Local FLs you paying for the SG passport and ability to converse in English only while service levels are questionable. Only Roberts and simps who feel like burning a ton of cash can go ahead when there are so many better options available.

Want to charge high at least provide some exceptional levels of service and not omit so some highly sought after services (notice that many put NO CIM big big and some even don't even offer BBBJ, that one the biggest joke ever, for the price they're demanding)

[ahboy25]

Local FLs you paying for the SG passport and ability to converse in English only while service levels are questionable. Only Roberts and simps who feel like burning a ton of cash can go ahead when there are so many better options available.

Want to charge high at least provide some exceptional levels of service and not omit so some highly sought after services (notice that many put NO CIM big big and some even don't even offer BBBJ, that one the biggest joke ever, for the price they're demanding)

What's the best level of service that you've encountered from local FLs?? just curious.

was there any FL's that you felt was unforgettable?

[jetcj95]

What's the best level of service that you've encountered from local FLs?? just curious.

was there any FL's that you felt was unforgettable?

I think services today cannot beat services of the past except maybe 1 or 2 gems.


The most memorable for me is Yvette from Natsuki's group. Will take the effort to know each other via text, invite me to stay longer to chat if no customer's after me, indulge in roleplaying and even buy cake to surprise on bday. Really shows the effort to take care of clients. Really brought the value in supporting Local.

Damn pity the industry is less service for more price

[boobsandwich]

What's the best level of service that you've encountered from local FLs?? just curious.

was there any FL's that you felt was unforgettable?

Think one of the best was this malay chick with big tits who came for a house call. (picked her up and drove back to my place).

The price was a steal and her service was insanely good. Titty fucked, superb BBBJ skills with an explosive CIM leg shaking finish. Even after we're done, she still stuck around and watched me play games on my PC late into the night. We can talk a lot together and it felt more like a gf/fwb than an FL. Chemistry played a huge part here. I think I met her about twice, both for house calls. That was quite some time back, I'm guessing 6-7 years ago? Out of the blue she suddenly blocked me on her main line. (a lot just like to suddenly block for no rhyme or reason? I guess they must be hiding from their other halves or something that's why the sus behaviour)

She is still active in the scene as of now (not on SBF) but her price went up significantly + has that forced deposit for booking bullshit. I'm not paying those prices.

Another one was a cute slim SYT (far cry from my preference of meatier ladies with big tits) who initially made me wait for like 2 hours under her place because of her horrible time management skills. I was super angry at her but decided to still wait. When she finally met me, this girl is cute as hell, the wait was worth it. She's flat chested but she repaid me well by showing how bloody good she is at giving BBBJ. She told me how much she loves sucking dicks and extracting cum. And her asking price was also very low compared to other entitled FLs out there who would easily ask for double/triple the price. The tradeoff was a flat chest, nothing to squeeze but she makes up for it with her cute face and insane BBBJ skills. She did approach me again to meet a 2nd time but I didn't follow up with her because I had so many options back then (other local FLs) and she eventually ghosted that account. Now I really want to meet her again and wonder she looks like right now after all these years.

[boobsandwich]

I think services today cannot beat services of the past except maybe 1 or 2 gems.


The most memorable for me is Yvette from Natsuki's group. Will take the effort to know each other via text, invite me to stay longer to chat if no customer's after me, indulge in roleplaying and even buy cake to surprise on bday. Really shows the effort to take care of clients. Really brought the value in supporting Local.

Damn pity the industry is less service for more price

This age of entitled FLs, a lot of snowflakes won't hesitate to block you quickly and get offended very easily. A lot won't bother to chat or even reply after a while and you have to play the role of a circus clown to get their attention or else they'll just ghost you. Once I just tried breaking the ice a bit and bitch snapped at me asking me to 'pay for her time if I want to chit chat instead of booking a session with her'. A few lines of chat also triggered liao.

Now all they do is ask for the skies but can't offer much in return. Everything also cannot. Just fuck off lol.

[ahboy25]

Think one of the best was this malay chick with big tits who came for a house call. (picked her up and drove back to my place).

The price was a steal and her service was insanely good. Titty fucked, superb BBBJ skills with an explosive CIM leg shaking finish. Even after we're done, she still stuck around and watched me play games on my PC lately into the night. We can talk a lot together and it felt more like a gf/fwb than an FL. Chemistry played a huge part here. I think I met her about twice, both for house calls. That was quite some time back, I'm guessing 6-7 years ago? Out of the blue she suddenly blocked me on her main line. (a lot just like to suddenly block for no rhyme or reason? I guess they must be hiding from their other halves or something that's why the sus behaviour)

She is still active in the scene as of now (not on SBF) but her price went up significantly + has that forced deposit for booking bullshit. I'm not paying those prices.

Another one was a cute slim SYT (far cry from my preference of meatier ladies with big tits) that initially made me wait for like 2 hours under her place because of her horrible time management skills. I was super angry but I decided to still wait. But when she finally met me, this girl is cute as hell, the wait was worth it. She's flat chested but she repaid me well by showing how bloody good she is at giving BBBJ. She told me how much she loves sucking dicks and extracting cum. And her asking price was also very low compared to other entitled FLs out there who would easily ask for double/triple the price. The tradeoff was a flat chest, nothing to squeeze but she makes up for it with her cute face and insane BBBJ skills. She did approach me again to meet a 2nd time but I didn't follow up with her because I had so many options back then (other local FLs) and she eventually ghosted that account. Now I really want to meet her again and wonder she looks like right now after all these years.


Wow sounds mind blowing, the sex must have been pretty good. But with that level of chemistry, at the time, won’t you be afraid that she might be too clingy? Sometimes when that happens with me and MLs, I get a bit worried. I’ve had some mind blowing sex with them before too, some even asking to meet up outside as well, but that kind of worries me.

[ahboy25]

I think services today cannot beat services of the past except maybe 1 or 2 gems.


The most memorable for me is Yvette from Natsuki's group. Will take the effort to know each other via text, invite me to stay longer to chat if no customer's after me, indulge in roleplaying and even buy cake to surprise on bday. Really shows the effort to take care of clients. Really brought the value in supporting Local.

Damn pity the industry is less service for more price

Wah the service level really quite top notch. Do they expect anything in return from you afterwards? Or will they bug you to return visit?

[boobsandwich]

Wow sounds mind blowing, the sex must have been pretty good. But with that level of chemistry, at the time, won’t you be afraid that she might be too clingy? Sometimes when that happens with me and MLs, I get a bit worried. I’ve had some mind blowing sex with them before too, some even asking to meet up outside as well, but that kind of worries me.

No la nothing about her is clingy and she genuinely felt like a really nice person to hang out with. She did eventually block me anyway.

It's really rare to have a local FL experience that doesn't feel commercial like this.

I have experienced way too many bad ones. And some may seem nice at first but after subsequent sessions, they start changing their attitude and became the complete opposite. From the friendly polite girl to a sudden angsty rude bitch.

[ahboy25]

No la nothing about her is clingy and she genuinely felt like a really nice person to hang out with. She did eventually block me anyway.

It's really rare to have a local FL experience that doesn't feel commercial like this.

I have experienced way too many bad ones. And some may seem nice at first but after subsequent sessions, they start changing their attitude and became the complete opposite. From the friendly polite girl to a sudden angsty rude bitch.

Hmmm ya I guess it is true that it is rare to experience someone that we can have a good connection with. Must have sucked when she did a 180 change in attitude. I think it’s also a good wake up call because it also forces us not to be too emotionally attached haha

[dermustacheman]

No la nothing about her is clingy and she genuinely felt like a really nice person to hang out with. She did eventually block me anyway.

It's really rare to have a local FL experience that doesn't feel commercial like this.

I have experienced way too many bad ones. And some may seem nice at first but after subsequent sessions, they start changing their attitude and became the complete opposite. From the friendly polite girl to a sudden angsty rude bitch.

Alot of females once have a lot of attention will become arrogant one.

[jetcj95]

Wah the service level really quite top notch. Do they expect anything in return from you afterwards? Or will they bug you to return visit?

Indeed, really GFE gaogao. No expectations from that era tbh. Of course they will ask you to RTF, but more in a teasing manner than bugging. Those were the days

[ahboy25]

Indeed, really GFE gaogao. No expectations from that era tbh. Of course they will ask you to RTF, but more in a teasing manner than bugging. Those were the days

Sounds like if last time go out play also much better haha nowadays have to be very careful about a lot of things also. Sometimes takes the fun out of everything

[userdiscrete84]

I think services today cannot beat services of the past except maybe 1 or 2 gems.


The most memorable for me is Yvette from Natsuki's group. Will take the effort to know each other via text, invite me to stay longer to chat if no customer's after me, indulge in roleplaying and even buy cake to surprise on bday. Really shows the effort to take care of clients. Really brought the value in supporting Local.

Damn pity the industry is less service for more priceYvette was really a gem back then, too bad she's retired and lost contact after that

[chubbybastard]

My experience with some lazy fuck local FLs:

When giving BBBJ keep asking u if u cumming soon or not. Really turn off. They just want to rush the job :mad:

Another one to mention is their fickle mindedness, always last minute change timing or cancel/postpone. Confirmed last minute their friend ask them out/another Robert offer higher price so cancel on me. Not honoring of deals is extremely common because they only care about $$, they don't feel even a slight tinge of remorse or guilt for flying airplane on someone. And now they want to force deposits for bookings citing these 'no shows' as a lame excuse. Double standards.

Lol. I had one local before crazy biatch FL before. This was pre-covid so many years ago. Texted her to make booking. She said ok to agreed timing. I did not think much about it. 30 mins later she called me. Like called me on my mobile. I did not pick up coz was working and busy at that time. So i cancelled the call. When i had the time to look at my phone, 5 messages telling me i am rude not to pick up her call, if don't to pick up call don't bother booking, etc etc. I should have picked up the redflag 1 there and cancel and block her but don't know why I texted back and say i am busy working that's why did not pick up phone. No reply.

Fast forward near booking time. Texted her and she told me the address. When i reached and texted her, no reply. 30 mins later say she got emergency dunno need to fetch her uncle to hospital or some stupid shit like that. Said that it is done and now she is otw to meet me in 10 mins. I texted back and said why you tell me this only after 30 mins? Wasting my time. Redflag 2 again i was young and naiive thinking ok she otw so give another chance.

Wrong decision. She texted me to go to her apartment. When she open the door, its some lian-ish looking auntie in her 40s (she advertised as in her late 20s). Went in and she started scolding me saying why i so rude. It was an emergency, etc etc. I was like....excuse me you are late by 40mins. I wanted to leave but she said since already here might as well start the session. Redflag 3. Should have bolted and run but again young and naiive and small head in control. Showered myself and started the session. She insisted on CBJ, i sian 1/2 liao. After 5 mins ask me to fuck her. My cock is limp as cannot stand looking at her lian-ish 40 years old ugly biatch with fucked up attitude. She kept complaining the whole session since cannot insert. Then i ask her to HJ me. After release she told me to go bath as she wants to leave.

All in all wasted 40 mins of my time, in and out in less than 20 mins and wasted smtg like $400.

[boobsandwich]

Lol. I had one local before crazy biatch FL before. This was pre-covid so many years ago. Texted her to make booking. She said ok to agreed timing. I did not think much about it. 30 mins later she called me. Like called me on my mobile. I did not pick up coz was working and busy at that time. So i cancelled the call. When i had the time to look at my phone, 5 messages telling me i am rude not to pick up her call, if don't to pick up call don't bother booking, etc etc. I should have picked up the redflag 1 there and cancel and block her but don't know why I texted back and say i am busy working that's why did not pick up phone. No reply.

Fast forward near booking time. Texted her and she told me the address. When i reached and texted her, no reply. 30 mins later say she got emergency dunno need to fetch her uncle to hospital or some stupid shit like that. Said that it is done and now she is otw to meet me in 10 mins. I texted back and said why you tell me this only after 30 mins? Wasting my time. Redflag 2 again i was young and naiive thinking ok she otw so give another chance.

Wrong decision. She texted me to go to her apartment. When she open the door, its some lian-ish looking auntie in her 40s (she advertised as in her late 20s). Went in and she started scolding me saying why i so rude. It was an emergency, etc etc. I was like....excuse me you are late by 40mins. I wanted to leave but she said since already here might as well start the session. Redflag 3. Should have bolted and run but again young and naiive and small head in control. Showered myself and started the session. She insisted on CBJ, i sian 1/2 liao. After 5 mins ask me to fuck her. My cock is limp as cannot stand looking at her lian-ish 40 years old ugly biatch with fucked up attitude. She kept complaining the whole session since cannot insert. Then i ask her to HJ me. After release she told me to go bath as she wants to leave.

All in all wasted 40 mins of my time, in and out in less than 20 mins and wasted smtg like $400.

Ouch, $400 for a rude fucked up bitch aunty (false advertising) with crap service. You have been robbed due to your forgiving nature. All these bad experiences are just lessons that you learn from and move on from there to know how to respond and reject these bitches in their faces next time should all these red flags appear again.

For me, one example I can remember in the past few years was this local FL claiming to be 'poly girl' who agreed to meet. Then on the day itself chut pattern saying she is 'sick' and gave me a randomly googled image of a random hospital in Singapore. Bitch too stupid to not realise that I can do an image search online. I firmly told her off to not lie and guess what, she exploded in anger at me instead lol. Instead of honoring the meetup, after I exposed her terrible lying, the message exchange went ugly to her spewing non stop childish insults such as 'nobody want to suck your dick u despo loser' etc. Worst thing is, there was a random simp who kept sending her money for random pictures from her and showing me chatlogs calling her 'princess' in every line. Knn simps so fucking cringe.

Apparently she doesn't even do meet ups and this simp lowlife wants to defend her for god knows what. Too many stupid idiots putting dumb whores like her on a pedestal.

Luckily she didn't pull this off when i'm already on my way/at the location or else it will piss me off wasting my time to travel for nothing.

[SadLoser]

Just here to speak my mind. I've had my fair share of local FLs over the past couple of years (independents) who are not advertised here. Just wanna share my thoughts on trends that I've been observing over the years. I source my local FLs somewhere else. I take a glance through Dome L and noticed that it is very much prevalent here as well. I'm talking about forced deposits.

Summary etc

Thank you for listening to my TED Talk.

I shared the exact same sentiments as you bro and even posted somethk similar on numerous occasions.

The local FL scene is so ridiculous on many levels now

Firstly, the price has inflate to a ridiculous level - averaging $1k or more per hour. These prostitutes are demanding an hourly rate which is higher than Fortune 500 CEO ??!!

Secondly, it's so damm hard to make a booking - have to add them on telegram or some discrete channel, wait for hours or days for them to reply and then travel to their location which is such a hassle

Thirdly, deposit before meeting up. This is the most ridiculous nonsense - we as client have to travel all the way to meet them and still make deposit. They always use the excuse that the deposit is to protect the girl's interest. Then who protect our interest as client???

Just for comparison - in Taiwan and Japan when I book a girl, she is sent to my hotel room. I dun even need to step out of my residence. And no deposit is required, just pay upon arrival. And the rate is only like 1/3 of SG rates with better quality local girls

When has SG FL scene become so ridiculous - charging skyhigh price, have to pay deposit and almost beg those girls for an appointment :rolleyes:

Anyway the local FL dome is as good as dead now - there are hardly any FRs at all for all those FLs demanding $1-2k per shot. All the posts are just template advertisement which the girl or agent post daily to bump up the thread

I think 90% of users have gave up on the local FL scene

[oxeso]

According to above, 10% of users still want to be beggars. HAHAHA.
Ups for a gd post.. Lol

[klkk555]

Lol. I had one local before crazy biatch FL before. This was pre-covid so many years ago. Texted her to make booking. She said ok to agreed timing. I did not think much about it. 30 mins later she called me. Like called me on my mobile. I did not pick up coz was working and busy at that time. So i cancelled the call. When i had the time to look at my phone, 5 messages telling me i am rude not to pick up her call, if don't to pick up call don't bother booking, etc etc. I should have picked up the redflag 1 there and cancel and block her but don't know why I texted back and say i am busy working that's why did not pick up phone. No reply.

Fast forward near booking time. Texted her and she told me the address. When i reached and texted her, no reply. 30 mins later say she got emergency dunno need to fetch her uncle to hospital or some stupid shit like that. Said that it is done and now she is otw to meet me in 10 mins. I texted back and said why you tell me this only after 30 mins? Wasting my time. Redflag 2 again i was young and naiive thinking ok she otw so give another chance.

Wrong decision. She texted me to go to her apartment. When she open the door, its some lian-ish looking auntie in her 40s (she advertised as in her late 20s). Went in and she started scolding me saying why i so rude. It was an emergency, etc etc. I was like....excuse me you are late by 40mins. I wanted to leave but she said since already here might as well start the session. Redflag 3. Should have bolted and run but again young and naiive and small head in control. Showered myself and started the session. She insisted on CBJ, i sian 1/2 liao. After 5 mins ask me to fuck her. My cock is limp as cannot stand looking at her lian-ish 40 years old ugly biatch with fucked up attitude. She kept complaining the whole session since cannot insert. Then i ask her to HJ me. After release she told me to go bath as she wants to leave.

All in all wasted 40 mins of my time, in and out in less than 20 mins and wasted smtg like $400.

sounds like sensual Lynn?

[klkk555]

https://samsguide.site/showthread.php?p=25055862#post25055862

new fl posted, lol 33yo asking for 1.1k, she should go f herself

[MTFanatic]

The thing is (not even in the local FL scene), even in regular dating scene. Local SG girls think they have high market value just because they are from SG. WHich tbh doesnt even make a difference. Easily other nationality from SEA country wins our local SG girls hads down in terms of looks and mindset alone.

SG girls tbh isnt worth how much they think they are. They simply overinflate their worth.

[boobsandwich]

I shared the exact same sentiments as you bro and even posted somethk similar on numerous occasions.

The local FL scene is so ridiculous on many levels now

Firstly, the price has inflate to a ridiculous level - averaging $1k or more per hour. These prostitutes are demanding an hourly rate which is higher than Fortune 500 CEO ??!!

Secondly, it's so damm hard to make a booking - have to add them on telegram or some discrete channel, wait for hours or days for them to reply and then travel to their location which is such a hassle

Thirdly, deposit before meeting up. This is the most ridiculous nonsense - we as client have to travel all the way to meet them and still make deposit. They always use the excuse that the deposit is to protect the girl's interest. Then who protect our interest as client???

Just for comparison - in Taiwan and Japan when I book a girl, she is sent to my hotel room. I dun even need to step out of my residence. And no deposit is required, just pay upon arrival. And the rate is only like 1/3 of SG rates with better quality local girls

When has SG FL scene become so ridiculous - charging skyhigh price, have to pay deposit and almost beg those girls for an appointment :rolleyes:

Anyway the local FL dome is as good as dead now - there are hardly any FRs at all for all those FLs demanding $1-2k per shot. All the posts are just template advertisement which the girl or agent post daily to bump up the thread

I think 90% of users have gave up on the local FL scene

Thing is, simps still keeping them afloat. Or else how they still can stay in business paying advertising fees on SBF. Retarded simps just love burning their money away to donate to these overpriced whores.

I still see many fake FRs leh in Dome L. I remembered quite some time ago one bitch attacking me like hell before I even booked her, and ended up not even even booking at all. Really mental problem and self proclaimed 'F cup'.

It boggles my mind till today on their stupid forced deposit for booking nonsense. Some pages back a dome L FL using clone account replied here and decided to give her reasons on their deposit logic but when me and another bro gave our counters to their stupid fuckign deposit requirement, she MIA liao. Checkmate. We know their actual reason is their desperation for $$ before even doing anything aka being greedy bitches. They are just taking advantage of beta males who are scared to use logic to reason with them to ask why is this even necessary and decided to kowtow to them instead and turn into retarded simps.

[boobsandwich]

https://samsguide.site/showthread.php?p=25055862#post25055862

new fl posted, lol 33yo asking for 1.1k, she should go f herself

lol in SG so many stupid rich Robert simps, they'll still book.

[boobsandwich]

The thing is (not even in the local FL scene), even in regular dating scene. Local SG girls think they have high market value just because they are from SG. WHich tbh doesnt even make a difference. Easily other nationality from SEA country wins our local SG girls hads down in terms of looks and mindset alone.

SG girls tbh isnt worth how much they think they are. They simply overinflate their worth.

Agreed and the younger gen are delusional and sibei entitled too. They want everything but can't bring anything to the table in return.

[chubbybastard]

sounds like sensual Lynn?

No. Not sensual Lynn.

[chubbybastard]

lol in SG so many stupid rich Robert simps, they'll still book.

Robert kuok, Rober Downing Jr, Rober Redford, also not so stupid and simp for these whores. ;)

[boobsandwich]

Robert kuok, Rober Downing Jr, Rober Redford, also not so stupid and simp for these whores. ;)

Just had an exchange with this dumb bitch local who wants to sell herself in exchange for money. The only thing she asked was 'how much u paying me?'

I asked her how about you introduce yourself first and are you willing to do what I'm asking for? (it's a fetish request). Left me on read all the way. Many hours later I asked if she's still there. Read my message and ignored me again. Too arrogant for a simple bloody intro. I don't even know how this bitch looks like. She could even a fucking fat ugly bitch and still expect to be paid thousands lol.

Local FLs really too entitled and think highly of themselves and think that we are so desperate to go to them? Can't even reply to basic questions like introducing yourself.

[klkk555]

Just had an exchange with this dumb bitch local who wants to sell herself in exchange for money. The only thing she asked was 'how much u paying me?'

I asked her how about you introduce yourself first and are you willing to do what I'm asking for? (it's a fetish request). Left me on read all the way. Many hours later I asked if she's still there. Read my message and ignored me again. Too arrogant for a simple bloody intro. I don't even know how this bitch looks like. She could even a fucking fat ugly bitch and still expect to be paid thousands lol.

Local FLs really too entitled and think highly of themselves and think that we are so desperate to go to them? Can't even reply to basic questions like introducing yourself.

just ignore, that itself is a good screening tool, imagine you paid liao then discover she Diva attitude and think she is some goddess. in all honesty, if they could they wouldn't be selling themselves. so all those who said they do this willingly, they are selective about their taste, i say ok good for you lor.

[dalera]

just ignore, that itself is a good screening tool, imagine you paid liao then discover she Diva attitude and think she is some goddess. in all honesty, if they could they wouldn't be selling themselves. so all those who said they do this willingly, they are selective about their taste, i say ok good for you lor.

Nice bro on the thoughts

[boobsandwich]

just ignore, that itself is a good screening tool, imagine you paid liao then discover she Diva attitude and think she is some goddess. in all honesty, if they could they wouldn't be selling themselves. so all those who said they do this willingly, they are selective about their taste, i say ok good for you lor.

I just replied her saying that she lacks basic courtesy to reply giving me a basic intro and she finally decided to reply me calling me 'desperate'. 100000000% guaranteed a gen Z dumb bitch who think the world revolves her and men must listen to her like her dog. She forgot that think she is ultimately the loser in the end and gets nothing in return lol.

I visualize the scenario in this way:

I'm an employer having vacancies in a certain position. She's interested in the job and then messaged me 'Hi, how much are you paying me?'

Then I reply her asking her for her CV and relevant documents and she went MIA. I ask again if she knows what the job entails and and she just scoffs back at me the next day instead saying ' Your company is shit! You never answer my question when I asked FIRST, so I ignore you lor.'

Oh ya bro one thing I don't understand is how some local whores selling themselves still want to see your pic etc because they 'dont want to be doing with old men' and STILL want to be paid a lot. You want to be paid so much already you still wanna afford to be choosy? what the fuck seriously lol. This kind who insist on my pics first I kindly redirected them to go dating apps and sell themselves there so they can see all the pictures of who matches with them and decide if how much they wanna charge them for sex if they are handsome enough. Fucking despicable whores lol.

[WalletFriendly]

I just replied her saying that she lacks basic courtesy to reply giving me a basic intro and she finally decided to reply me calling me 'desperate'. 100000000% guaranteed a gen Z dumb bitch who think the world revolves her and men must listen to her like her dog. She forgot that think she is ultimately the loser in the end and gets nothing in return lol.

I visualize the scenario in this way:

I'm an employer having vacancies in a certain position. She's interested in the job and then messaged me 'Hi, how much are you paying me?'

Then I reply her asking her for her CV and relevant documents and she went MIA. I ask again if she knows what the job entails and and she just scoffs back at me the next day instead saying ' Your company is shit! You never answer my question when I asked FIRST, so I ignore you lor.'

Oh ya bro one thing I don't understand is how some local whores selling themselves still want to see your pic etc because they 'dont want to be doing with old men' and STILL want to be paid a lot. You want to be paid so much already you still wanna afford to be choosy? what the fuck seriously lol. This kind who insist on my pics first I kindly redirected them to go dating apps and sell themselves there so they can see all the pictures of who matches with them and decide if how much they wanna charge them for sex if they are handsome enough. Fucking despicable whores lol.

Should ask them send unfiltered pics of themselves. As we men do not like to fuck pig-size like sows like them or ugly rotten looking face that make men can't even hard when look at them. :D

[WalletFriendly]

Lol. I had one local before crazy biatch FL before. This was pre-covid so many years ago. Texted her to make booking. She said ok to agreed timing. I did not think much about it. 30 mins later she called me. Like called me on my mobile. I did not pick up coz was working and busy at that time. So i cancelled the call. When i had the time to look at my phone, 5 messages telling me i am rude not to pick up her call, if don't to pick up call don't bother booking, etc etc. I should have picked up the redflag 1 there and cancel and block her but don't know why I texted back and say i am busy working that's why did not pick up phone. No reply.

Fast forward near booking time. Texted her and she told me the address. When i reached and texted her, no reply. 30 mins later say she got emergency dunno need to fetch her uncle to hospital or some stupid shit like that. Said that it is done and now she is otw to meet me in 10 mins. I texted back and said why you tell me this only after 30 mins? Wasting my time. Redflag 2 again i was young and naiive thinking ok she otw so give another chance.

Wrong decision. She texted me to go to her apartment. When she open the door, its some lian-ish looking auntie in her 40s (she advertised as in her late 20s). Went in and she started scolding me saying why i so rude. It was an emergency, etc etc. I was like....excuse me you are late by 40mins. I wanted to leave but she said since already here might as well start the session. Redflag 3. Should have bolted and run but again young and naiive and small head in control. Showered myself and started the session. She insisted on CBJ, i sian 1/2 liao. After 5 mins ask me to fuck her. My cock is limp as cannot stand looking at her lian-ish 40 years old ugly biatch with fucked up attitude. She kept complaining the whole session since cannot insert. Then i ask her to HJ me. After release she told me to go bath as she wants to leave.

All in all wasted 40 mins of my time, in and out in less than 20 mins and wasted smtg like $400.

Too many bros are forgiving and lenient toward these kind of bitches that's why they keep doing this to every bros. Hope young bros here learn from this lesson and just walk away. Best is to name and shame these bitches.

[WalletFriendly]

Ouch, $400 for a rude fucked up bitch aunty (false advertising) with crap service. You have been robbed due to your forgiving nature. All these bad experiences are just lessons that you learn from and move on from there to know how to respond and reject these bitches in their faces next time should all these red flags appear again.

For me, one example I can remember in the past few years was this local FL claiming to be 'poly girl' who agreed to meet. Then on the day itself chut pattern saying she is 'sick' and gave me a randomly googled image of a random hospital in Singapore. Bitch too stupid to not realise that I can do an image search online. I firmly told her off to not lie and guess what, she exploded in anger at me instead lol. Instead of honoring the meetup, after I exposed her terrible lying, the message exchange went ugly to her spewing non stop childish insults such as 'nobody want to suck your dick u despo loser' etc. Worst thing is, there was a random simp who kept sending her money for random pictures from her and showing me chatlogs calling her 'princess' in every line. Knn simps so fucking cringe.

Apparently she doesn't even do meet ups and this simp lowlife wants to defend her for god knows what. Too many stupid idiots putting dumb whores like her on a pedestal.

Luckily she didn't pull this off when i'm already on my way/at the location or else it will piss me off wasting my time to travel for nothing.

Such a simp lol, what kind of low self esteem man keep defending her and keep paying her for fake pictures.

Glad you have this thread. This really shows these FLs their brain really something wrong. It's no wonder, usually it's fucking useless girls who can do nothing useful in their lives that's why resort to sell body but they too stupid with little brain cells to even sell body properly because of their attitude and entitlement. Ever wonder why those foreigner girls in stables, although some of them are hit and miss you still won't get as bad as these independents one? Because the boss will actually get rid of them if get too many complains. The local FLs can be like this because they are their own boss, I suggest bros if get their address, just call AV raid say got drugs. Make sure they get it bad.

[JonNggaou]

First thing that annoyed me was how the OKT gave me a fucking wrong room number. I knocked like hell and I heard a china woman yelling inside saying wrong room. I texted OKT then he gave me the right room number just a few rooms down the hallway. How in the world can you give a wrong room number?? Bright opened the door looking tired, barefaced, no makeup, dressed in a black racerback and a shorts. Asked me pay up to show her boss the money first. I told her that I just want a slow BBBJ to relax. She said she can't blow me because her 'mouth has ulcer'. I heard this excuse like 9208592895 times from lazy FLs who hate giving BBBJ. She said she bit her mouth earlier la. Told me to cancel/change girl. I didn't want to because there's no other girls I'm interested in for this stable. I texted OKT saying eh u told me that she can CIM, now even worse, she told me she don't want to even give BBBJ. OKT gave me a really stupid reply and that was his last message, just saying 'can' after I told him that his FL refused to do BBBJ. What kind of fucking useless reply is that? He left me on read all the way after that. I tried to persuade her to just do it anyway since I came all the way here and I don't wanna waste my time, making this a wasted trip. In the spur of the moment I said I wanna opt for the 'special' since this is like a saving grace because she didn't wanna suck me off in the first place. She told me the price to top up, I said yeah I'll do it. This is coming from someone like me who doesn't do FJ at all. Played with her boobs a bit in the bathroom, they're all natural and decently big but they're NOT E cup. D only. Still a handful and they're naturals, which is a probably the only good thing in this entire session.

Switched spot back to the bed and all of a sudden I decided that I don't wanna do the special anymore because of the super high risks. I told her about it and suddenly she told me she can BBBJ already. Wtf? But instantly killed the mood again by saying that I cannot cum in her mouth. What the fuck lah. Despite this fucking OKT saying she can do it, she refuses to do so. I requested for COF instead since it's advertised but she said NO telling me that I can only cum on her boobs. Kena shortchanged two services that the OKT HIGHLIGHTED IN RED. Ok la I'm already pissed off but I told her to just BBBJ me and I'll finish on her boobs later. Her BBBJ was FUCKING AWFUL. Zero suction. She only sucked the tip of my dick head and never went any further. I cannot even maintain my erection. It just kept going limp. It was that bad. Requested to switch to HJ. Even the HJ CMI. She's super duper ultra green. She tried to take a bit of initiative by trying to do a boobfuck but it failed miserably because it didn't feel good one bit. She kept alternating between HJ, rubbing her boobs on my dick, that's about it and I could barely maintain my erection. Maybe I can get off on her boobs, requested for a titfuck, showed her some clips of it on how its done but she said she can't do it with me lying flat and requested that I stand up. I stood up and I don't know what the fuck is she doing but she just kept rubbing up down on me and I felt nothing. Told her this is not working out, went back to the bed and told her to resume BBBJ. Wah the BBBJ really fucking terrible. It's like she's putting in no effort at all. Switched back to HJ and it's no better. Lost my erection again. This dragged on until her phone alarm rang at the THIRTY MINUTE MARK. MIND YOU I PAID FOR 1 shot which is 45 FUCKING minutes. She told me time is up. No shower together also. She told me to leave as another customer is coming at like 2+ am. OKT was just silent all the way while I was bombarding him with messages saying how his girl doesn't do ALL the services advertised and how fucked up the overall session was. I told him that I'll post this negative FR on SBF anyway since he just kept quiet like a fucking retard, leaving me on read the whole fucking while.

She just stood there like a statue while I left on my own. This is the FIRST time in my entire HISTORY of cheonging that an FL couldn't get me to cum. I sat at the sofa outside the lift on the same floor while still texting OKT hoping he has SOME form of service recovery. But guess what I got. He called me, yelled a few hokkien expletives, saying what, fuck my mother cb or something lidat and hung up. Your typical ah beng loser.


Your this experience, saw a video from china also quickly BJ then want to cap. Then say don't know how to cowgirl when it's just a simple on top riding motion. https://91md.me/index.php/vod/play/id/11865/sid/1/nid/1.html

[JonNggaou]

Your this experience, saw a video from china also quickly BJ then want to cap. Then say don't know how to cowgirl when it's just a simple on top riding motion. https://91md.me/index.php/vod/play/id/11865/sid/1/nid/1.html

Shows that a lot of FLs across all domes are doing similar stunt like these to get easy money. Once they ask you to paid up first, the service is up to their decision whether want to do properly or give you shit service.

Even those "Premium" FLs in Dome3 that asks for $200 and above also shows same kind of attitude. And the worst part is the OKTs will always "defend" their girls, encountered and seen a few times with other kakis, they don't even bother compensate us. Because we are just "one" customer to them. :mad:

We need to really spend our money wisely and not let them earn easy free money by giving us shit service and still expect us to accept quietly.

[chubbybastard]

Just had an exchange with this dumb bitch local who wants to sell herself in exchange for money. The only thing she asked was 'how much u paying me?'

I asked her how about you introduce yourself first and are you willing to do what I'm asking for? (it's a fetish request). Left me on read all the way. Many hours later I asked if she's still there. Read my message and ignored me again. Too arrogant for a simple bloody intro. I don't even know how this bitch looks like. She could even a fucking fat ugly bitch and still expect to be paid thousands lol.

Local FLs really too entitled and think highly of themselves and think that we are so desperate to go to them? Can't even reply to basic questions like introducing yourself.

These type highly likely scammers la

[klkk555]

Shows that a lot of FLs across all domes are doing similar stunt like these to get easy money. Once they ask you to paid up first, the service is up to their decision whether want to do properly or give you shit service.

Even those "Premium" FLs in Dome3 that asks for $200 and above also shows same kind of attitude. And the worst part is the OKTs will always "defend" their girls, encountered and seen a few times with other kakis, they don't even bother compensate us. Because we are just "one" customer to them. :mad:

We need to really spend our money wisely and not let them earn easy free money by giving us shit service and still expect us to accept quietly.

exactly, all of them say pay first but once money with them they can provide sub standard service and we llst, sometimes blue ball liao just want to fuck also don't want to make the whole thing unpleasant. sometimes i think if can just give half up front and half after but i also understand if they think we want to pull a fast one don't want to pay, any bros got any suggestions?

[boobsandwich]

These type highly likely scammers la

Likely trolls (stupid kids with too much time on their hands) or just some naive dumb young bitch trying her luck about being an FL but with extremely unrealistic expectations.

[boobsandwich]

Your this experience, saw a video from china also quickly BJ then want to cap. Then say don't know how to cowgirl when it's just a simple on top riding motion. https://91md.me/index.php/vod/play/id/11865/sid/1/nid/1.html

lol you bumped my super shit experience with that fucking stupid retarded OKT Thong Lor/Tha Chang. I blacklist his stable permanently liao. Guai lan fucker runner with 0 service recovery and the girl is complete garbage too, lazy piece of shit. And he keeps spamming fake WhatsApp written FRs on his stable tele page to make it look like the girl is 'good'. Fucking shameless cunt.

[boobsandwich]

exactly, all of them say pay first but once money with them they can provide sub standard service and we llst, sometimes blue ball liao just want to fuck also don't want to make the whole thing unpleasant. sometimes i think if can just give half up front and half after but i also understand if they think we want to pull a fast one don't want to pay, any bros got any suggestions?

This is how they game the system. They always want full price upfront but can shortchange us anytime with crappy/partial service and still earn in full. It's damn hard to think of a workaround for this. That's why I always prefer to pay at the end of the session, if possible. But you know most FLs will not allow that unless you're their regular or something.

[klkk555]

lol you bumped my super shit experience with that fucking stupid retarded OKT Thong Lor/Tha Chang. I blacklist his stable permanently liao. Guai lan fucker runner with 0 service recovery and the girl is complete garbage too, lazy piece of shit. And he keeps spamming fake WhatsApp written FRs on his stable tele page to make it look like the girl is 'good'. Fucking shameless cunt.

exactly, the girl f up attitude i text him 1 shot instead of 2, he say cannot. other okt will accommodate if the girl is the problem, in the end i just one shot and leave. i also blacklist liao.

[dalera]

exactly, the girl f up attitude i text him 1 shot instead of 2, he say cannot. other okt will accommodate if the girl is the problem, in the end i just one shot and leave. i also blacklist liao.

ikr jialat a lot gals cmi

[oxeso]

exactly, all of them say pay first but once money with them they can provide sub standard service and we llst, sometimes blue ball liao just want to fuck also don't want to make the whole thing unpleasant. sometimes i think if can just give half up front and half after but i also understand if they think we want to pull a fast one don't want to pay, any bros got any suggestions?
Can't please or be fair to everyone de la.. even if half 1st half later.

Can't be paying while u r fucking rite? Every min handover $10.. Lol :D

[ilovepantyhose]

Can't please or be fair to everyone de la.. even if half 1st half later.

Can't be paying while u r fucking rite? Every min handover $10.. Lol :D

machiam pak arcade "insert token" to continue

:p:D

[CosmosImai]

This is a serious loophole. HAHAHA.
There can only be more jackasses getting scam. This is Hilarious as fuck. HAHAHA.
Bottom line: Even if you go Geylang brothel, it is totally fine if the prostitute does not perform any sexual act. It is up to OKT if he wants to refund you. HAHAHA.

894749

Still got many jackasses willing to get scam HAHAHA

Saw some of the Dome3 dumb fucks are the biggest clowns of all, they encountered a FL always have mood swing they still say "today she not good mood, so service is bad I accept will try next time when she good mood". While she takes the money laughing at the stupid simps accepting every kind of shit she give HAHAHAH

[oxeso]

machiam pak arcade "insert token" to continue

:p:D
Bo bao jiak de.. sometimes token will tio jiak de ma. :D or left in the cold outside the slot too long will turn soft.. :o:p

[boobsandwich]

Still got many jackasses willing to get scam HAHAHA

Saw some of the Dome3 dumb fucks are the biggest clowns of all, they encountered a FL always have mood swing they still say "today she not good mood, so service is bad I accept will try next time when she good mood". While she takes the money laughing at the stupid simps accepting every kind of shit she give HAHAHAH

Let idiots part with their money. They can gaslight themselves saying it's 'worth the price' but ultimately they are the biggest losers around.

[Foden5]

Noob here regarding local FL scene, so are there any legit ones on Dome L at all?

[h8lyheaven]

Noob here regarding local FL scene, so are there any legit ones on Dome L at all?

no dont have

[gooddaddy1977]

Can't please or be fair to everyone de la.. even if half 1st half later.

Can't be paying while u r fucking rite? Every min handover $10.. Lol :D

machiam pak arcade "insert token" to continue

:p:D



Say if our bonking payment is similar as below.

Example. Thai FL.
At least 80% similar to photo, age, weight. $20.
FL bath with us. $20.
Blow us, $20.
GFE, $20.
Intercourse without rushing or complain, ok to change few position. $40.
End with CIM/COF. $30.
Bath with us again before leaving. $20.


What the Progressive Payment Scheme Actually Is
PPS is mandatory for every under-construction private residential property in Singapore. It's governed by the Housing Developers Rules, and it means you pay the purchase price in stages, tied to construction milestones. You're not servicing the full mortgage from day one — only on the amounts progressively drawn down. This is the single biggest cash flow advantage of buying new launch over resale.

The schedule:

OTP exercised — 5% in cash (no CPF here)
S&P agreement (within 8 weeks of OTP) — 15% in cash or CPF
Foundation work — 10%
Reinforced concrete frame — 10%
Partition walls — 5%
Roofing — 5%
Windows, doors, external plastering — 5%
Car park, roads, drains — 5%
Temporary Occupation Permit (TOP) — 25% (this is the big one)
Certificate of Statutory Completion (CSC, 12-18 months after TOP) — final 15%

[sa101666]

Noob here regarding local FL scene, so are there any legit ones on Dome L at all?

no dont get scammed.

[Kiasukia]

Well written.
I get your point.

[Foden5]

no dont get scammed.

Noted, any recommendation to find legit ones?

[MTFanatic]

Noted, any recommendation to find legit ones?

Don't brother bro, local girls overinflate their value just because they are SG girls. tbh many VN or Thai girls several times better than our local girls, service also better

[jackyjacky03]

One of the Local FLs in FL Dome L (iykyk), and we wonder why people still keep going back hahahah


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[simpangee]

no dont have

what about this loubifox?

[Presto6969]

Ah... Kim. That sultry look makes a budge in the pants.

Anyone tried her b4? Any FR?


One of the Local FLs in FL Dome L (iykyk), and we wonder why people still keep going back hahahah


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[johntron2000]

Ah... Kim. That sultry look makes a budge in the pants.

Anyone tried her b4? Any FR?

Had her quite awhile back so can’t say how she is now, but I will say she’s very good at breaking the ice and making you feel comfortable. She’s really beautiful as well and she’s actually quite petite even though she has huge ass and tits. Won’t get into the shower with you at the start. BBBJ was good, but actually not the best I’ve had compared to other FLs, and honestly the sex was also so-so. Could tell that she wasn’t too into it from the start, maybe tired, maybe had customers beforehand. No kissing, and couldn’t suck her tits as well cause she told me had a new nipple piercing haha. So overall was okay only. Never went back to try because I feel can get better deal elsewhere, but based on other bros fr, I think she’s still worth a try if you haven’t had.

[Foden5]

Thanks for sharing so far. How about sglonelyguy MLs and Javgirls stable in dome 3? Cos recently been thinking of venturing out from MPs and try other things.

[hokengahhh]

Had her quite awhile back so can’t say how she is now, but I will say she’s very good at breaking the ice and making you feel comfortable. She’s really beautiful as well and she’s actually quite petite even though she has huge ass and tits. Won’t get into the shower with you at the start. BBBJ was good, but actually not the best I’ve had compared to other FLs, and honestly the sex was also so-so. Could tell that she wasn’t too into it from the start, maybe tired, maybe had customers beforehand. No kissing, and couldn’t suck her tits as well cause she told me had a new nipple piercing haha. So overall was okay only. Never went back to try because I feel can get better deal elsewhere, but based on other bros fr, I think she’s still worth a try if you haven’t had.

Thanks for the share bro !

[darklordV]

Anyone tried Mandy? Any FR? Can pm me too thanks

[riperoni69420]

Anyone tried Mandy? Any FR? Can pm me too thanks

like all other local ladies, she was nice enough but pretty commercial feeling. its the kind of session halfway through your mind is made up not to RTF alr.

local ladies are the only ones with whom ive had buyers remorse even before cumming lol

[Slaver29125]

Anyone tried Mandy? Any FR? Can pm me too thanks

+22 for you... I also wanna know... :)


Also open for Exchange... No Queueeeeeee...

[Presto6969]

Thanks Bro for the FR. No sucking of tits is a nope for me.


Had her quite awhile back so can’t say how she is now, but I will say she’s very good at breaking the ice and making you feel comfortable. She’s really beautiful as well and she’s actually quite petite even though she has huge ass and tits. Won’t get into the shower with you at the start. BBBJ was good, but actually not the best I’ve had compared to other FLs, and honestly the sex was also so-so. Could tell that she wasn’t too into it from the start, maybe tired, maybe had customers beforehand. No kissing, and couldn’t suck her tits as well cause she told me had a new nipple piercing haha. So overall was okay only. Never went back to try because I feel can get better deal elsewhere, but based on other bros fr, I think she’s still worth a try if you haven’t had.

[bigma69]

Ah... Kim. That sultry look makes a budge in the pants.

Anyone tried her b4? Any FR?

Second that. I had her a few years back, when I was just on a sex spree, fucking anything that I could afford. Chance upon her ad here, thought why not give a local a try. Overall, she’s a genuinely nice person, really knows how to break ice and make you feel like you’re on her level. But the sex as the bro above says, really mediocre. I remember we were 69-ing and was gonna eat her out but she stopped me and say that she doesn’t allow that. The tits part, I did managed to enjoy her nipples (Maybe really new piercing so bro above couldn’t enjoy that). Doggy, missionary, riding etc but really nothing to shout about. Her assets really puts her up there but performance wise, I probably have more memorable fucks with one night stands from parties/club before. She did share with me some gossips/trade secrets of the other FLs which were all bad. So I’d say, she’s more of a safe decision to make when looking for a local FL. She lives lavishly, explains why she does this to support her lifestyle and for the most part she does enjoy it.

After the session, I did some digging and realized she was in the same circle of friends as my cousins, so I was a bit surprised by that fact.

[bigma69]

Thanks for sharing so far. How about sglonelyguy MLs and Javgirls stable in dome 3? Cos recently been thinking of venturing out from MPs and try other things.

Don’t be afraid to venture out bro, it’s all really a trial and error. Some you enjoy, some you don’t. But so far personally, I have never came across landmines. I mean I am man of simple taste. Some bros really need to lower their standards a bit, because you need to remember that you’re out here just unloading, sure if can fulfill fantasy, it’s a bonus but main priority is to unload your load.

As for JAVgirls, I only ever managed to up one because I was a fan. So I cannot tell how the experience is but for me was rather disappointing on my end because I was in a fan state of mind, not I can fuck my favourite JAV girl state of mind. So my performance wasn’t that great but she was nice and accommodating. She even let me hit it raw, so that was a bonus. Again, one man’s poison, is another man’s treasure. Always take FRs with a pinch of salt, because YMMV. What I experience, is different from what you experience. Hope that helps.

[shadymassage]

tried elecher before. Honestly not bad (if you can afford the $$)

[AxeCAP]

tried elecher before. Honestly not bad (if you can afford the $$)

how much does she quote, what tiers are there?

[shadymassage]

how much does she quote, what tiers are there?

she has her own thread in dome L , u can see yourself, cheers..

[riperoni69420]

tried elecher before. Honestly not bad (if you can afford the $$)

lol "not bad" is super vague. i tried her once in early 2024 and yeah i stand by what i said earleir in this thread where you can have 2 or 3 sessions with thai/prc FLs that are a better fuck for that cost.

[shadymassage]

lol "not bad" is super vague. i tried her once in early 2024 and yeah i stand by what i said earleir in this thread where you can have 2 or 3 sessions with thai/prc FLs that are a better fuck for that cost.

cost-wise of course PRC and viet FLs are better, had many solid repeat bangs for 160/210 weekly (sometimes even twice or thrice/week). you can read my past review on why i think elecher was worth it as a one-time experience. in gist, not the most cost effective but it was refreshing to enjoy fucking a decently hot woman in a no-stress environment. and to be fair, elecher body is quite unique, i have never fucked a FL with a thicc but fit body “profile” despite many years of chionging

[Foden5]

cost-wise of course PRC and viet FLs are better, had many solid repeat bangs for 160/210 weekly (sometimes even twice or thrice/week). you can read my past review on why i think elecher was worth it as a one-time experience. in gist, not the most cost effective but it was refreshing to enjoy fucking a decently hot woman in a no-stress environment. and to be fair, elecher body is quite unique, i have never fucked a FL with a thicc but fit body “profile” despite many years of chionging

Will u consider doing tarma with her friend? I saw she has that option in Dome L

[Newbiesex]

It’s very expensive now. Used to be in the $800 range. Now local FLs are mostly above $1k

[shadymassage]

Will u consider doing tarma with her friend? I saw she has that option in Dome L

lol hell no. for that amount, i can buy out an entire spa and have a harem orgy session for 2 hours

[h8lyheaven]

lol hell no. for that amount, i can buy out an entire spa and have a harem orgy session for 2 hours

3-4 hours also can. u book a lot, boss confirm give discount