need ur advice n help here bros...

[shuaige84]

hi bros... dunno where to post this issue but in the end decide to post it here.. cos recently i gt a call from police post saying someone lodging complaint against me for "harassment"? n after talking to the police, we arrange to meet sometime next wk for me to give my statement... hi bros any idea wad are the consequences after i give my statement?
i actually who is the one who lodged this complaint. its a female who say i harass her by smsing n call her? but den aft tinking again if this is serious the police will not have call me to give my statement instead they will straight away go to my house n arrest me right? n somemore can drage for few days then arrange to meet in police post for statement.. any idea wad will happen? this gal n i were colleagues once but due to some issues we quarreled. n recently i msg her n call her but she din ans n reply instead she report me to police. how? i kind of worried abt the consequences... n can't eat n sleep these few days... wil i get charged?

[Deathknight1031]

You got flood that gal calls or sms anot. if got hor maybe will be charge but i think at most only ka na FINE few hundreds to 1 thousands buck lor, UNLESS she hired lawyer trust me you gonna get in deep shit if she does that. If don't have at most warning or nothing 1 la no worry about that.

[shuaige84]

thanks for the reply. i did nt flood her call at all. only sms her.
few days ago i sms her tt i going to her house n she sms back saying if i go to her house she will call the police. then that day i sms again (i on the way to ur house) n later that afternoon, i receive a call from police post saying someone lodged a complaint against me n they nid me to go down for giving statement. the police officer say either i go down to police post or they go to my house. obviously i say i go down to police post. n the police officer arrange to meet me like 5 days later leh. i tot usually this kind of thing is go police post immediately one? how come can wait for 5 days? n the no tt i receive this call dun seem like police no leh

n prev we quarrelled b4 over some financial thing.. cos last time we were biz partner. thn aft we had some disputes, we quarrel n i left her. thn she say i owe her money. thn i gt sms her but nv flood her inbox la.. like that consider harassment meh? nv prank call. i only sms her. wil this thing get more serious? i'm really worried.. how? i dun tink she will engage lawyer la.. but this thing is suspicious yet worrying for me..

any more advice from the bros?

[shuaige84]

thn she say she use the sms that i sent her as evidence tt i harass her.. i din flood her inbox or prank call her.. how can these sms be evidence as harassment? n she oso used last yr sms as evidence tt i owed her money.. this gal is getting more mean n bitchy... damn it... gt involved wif police becos of her.. really worrying me man cos haven met the police for statement yet.. wil i get into any trouble based on the sms i sent her? n if let say she nv engage lawyer, wil i get charged? cos if she engage lawyer i would haf been arrestted by police that particular day n get detained. how come can wait few days then meet the police officer for statement?

[Malaysian Datuk]

You got flood that gal calls or sms anot. if got hor maybe will be charge but i think at most only ka na FINE few hundreds to 1 thousands buck lor, UNLESS she hired lawyer trust me you gonna get in deep shit if she does that. If don't have at most warning or nothing 1 la no worry about that.
I think flood also nothing wrong what.....those chatlines always flood me with sms also.....can say handphone spoil haha....bro you never send threatening smses or profanities I think should be ok la.....maybe the lawyers and policemen here would like to comment?

[jj1396]

Bro

Don't have to worry , if u did not sms her those sex subject. If just for a money dispute or some other personnal quarrel , u don;t have to worry. It is only a civil case not a criminal case. Since there is a report to the police, the investigator will have to look into it. If u have done too much ,the most will be a warning.Don;t have to worry.!!!!!!! Cheers

[ahpaul25]

Nothing to fear my frd....it a common SOP for this case. You will be asked for interview by police for report....as stated the fact to them and mention it should be a misunderstanding btwn u and her due to biz losses. But police might ask u your intention going to her house for what reasons with the sms given. Anyway, high chance u get sued by her from her lawyer lah, as police don bother biz losses btwn partnership, police only ops her to sue u in personal to get the losses. So u must have evidence to show them, it biz losses, and it not personal loan, rem that. :D

[shuaige84]

wad is profanities? i nv sms threatening things or vulgar things la.. but she lately provoked me n demand me to pay her the money owed n i quite angry n send her some sms but its nt vulgar..

but i rmb smsing her things like :" u r wolf in sheep clothing" " saturnist" "rude" " nt true christians" (cos she is a christian) "loanshark" etc cos i was very angry wif her.



then she claimed tt i owe her money cos she trans money to my bank acc b4. she say she gt the receipt that she trans me the money n the sms that i owe her money. these sms n receipts wil contribute to evidence as harassment ?



wil i get into trouble wif the smses i sent? i'm very worried ... regret to know this girl... but i stil find it wierd. gt a call from the police on thurs, n police arrange me to give my statement on tues.. y can wait til so many days then go police post? my logic is if this is serious or major crime, the police won't gv any warning n straight away arrest me right? if nt why can stil wait for 3-4days

[ahpaul25]

KNN....u own her how much???? Pls explain more detail to me, so as I can help u, but based on my experience, u r only a 22yrs old guy. Young and inexperience kind. :D

[Aphrodite's Son]

Bro why don't you get a lawyer sort out all your business dealings with her. All the paperwork for your investment in your joint venture, I think if there is black and white to prove that the losess in your business is of equal blame to each party then you may not even need to pay back that "owed" sum of money. Just a damn sick idea, why not you sue her for harrasment too show the police the SMSs that she sent to you to claim back the money you owed her.

[shuaige84]

i owe her 2k plus... according to her... but i dun rmb owing her so much.. she is like a loanshark man.. n she say she gt bank trans receipts to prove she trans to my acc. n she scare me by saying she gt lawyer fren to gv her advice. how? i nt worried abt this part i'm more worried abt the harassment part.. how can these few sms be harassment? i dun even threaten her or scold vulgar in the sms.. jus some mild scolding cos she really provoke me.. i'm quite hot temper sometimes.. n i knwo guys when hot tempered wil scold but i alr restrict myself to not scolding vulgar in the sms if nt she wil make use of these to sue me.. but i guess its nt serious? thn u know she say she recently receive prank calls n emails from strangers n she accused me tt i prank her email acc n phone no.. aft hearing from some bros here i quite relieved... but stil worried.. sigh..

[shuaige84]

our biz is nt the major kind. its very minor jus between me n her. n we haf trust between each other last time. how to prove the money she trans is biz losses n nt personal loan? there's no black n white.. i dun tink she wil engage lawyer to sue me.. so assuming she wun get lawyer to sue me the police case abt the harassment i did to her part wil i get into trouble? hope i wun get detained n charged by police..

[ahpaul25]

As mention to you, the police might ask u your intention going to her house for what reasons with the sms given, u have to think of a explaination for this. Police will not charged u for anything, so rem to inform them that it might be a misunderstanding btwn u and her, due to biz losses. Don act as personal loan as she might use it to inform them as cheating case if she have my brain ideas inside her, I can use it to sue or make u more hardup, think she is a xiao meimei to me lah. So don worry abt the police interview, just mention as I told u. She will not sued u lah, as it only 2k plus, it just a small claim. Just prove that it biz losses instead of personal loans.

Evidence to slove:
1st: Your intention for this SMS.
2nd: Misunderstanding due to Biz Losses.

[shuaige84]

thanks to the senior bro who gv me advice. she is nt xiao mei mei. she older than me. n she gt mention if i dun return her the "money" owed she wil take it as cheating case. so i scared she may seize this opportunity n tell the police i harass n cheat her money. but anyway if she willingly trans the money this can't consider cheating right? i nv use knife n threaten her to trans the money to my acc..

so i jus tell them its misunderstanding n my intention to go her hse is to clear some misunderstandding i had with her in the past.. as for some angry sms exchanges, i say she annoy n provoke me tt's y i on impulse sms the scoldings sms.. can? this things really making me very paranoid..

[ahpaul25]

thanks to the senior bro who gv me advice. she is nt xiao mei mei. she older than me. n she gt mention if i dun return her the "money" owed she wil take it as cheating case. so i scared she may seize this opportunity n tell the police i harass n cheat her money. but anyway if she willingly trans the money this can't consider cheating right? i nv use knife n threaten her to trans the money to my acc..

so i jus tell them its misunderstanding n my intention to go her hse is to clear some misunderstandding i had with her in the past.. as for some angry sms exchanges, i say she annoy n provoke me tt's y i on impulse sms the scoldings sms.. can? this things really making me very paranoid..

Yes, that it the correct way of explain it. As for the own of $$, u must think a way out to mention it biz losses or whatever, as long it not personal loan. Thanks. Police will not follow up more, they only doing a report to close the whole case. It that simple, the rest of the owning of $$, she has to use lawyer to use u, of coz, if she want to scam as cheating case, u will be invloved, and police will not carry on, the rest is her lawyer, so u must think of a way to slove yr misunderstanding abt the $$ issue.

[NoFearSg]

hope i wun get detained n charged by police..

Better tell the police everything you know and also the real things. If not, once statement is completed, police can charge you based on your statement if it is later found it to be untrue.

You ask why few days later then go see police.... The police need to find out from banks and teco centres for the record mah.... every sms and transferring got records one.... even emails, so cannot ran away.

Good luck, bro. Sway of you to meet a clever charbor...

[shuaige84]

Better tell the police everything you know and also the real things. If not, once statement is completed, police can charge you based on your statement if it is later found it to be untrue.

You ask why few days later then go see police.... The police need to find out from banks and teco centres for the record mah.... every sms and transferring got records one.... even emails, so cannot ran away.

Good luck, bro. Sway of you to meet a clever charbor...


bro this time i tink the police wans a statement from me regarding the complaint abt harassment n nt abt the moeny owed. email how to track? from my com's ip add? then wad i posted in sb forum oso wil kanna tracked by police? :eek:

[shuaige84]

Yes, that it the correct way of explain it. As for the own of $$, u must think a way out to mention it biz losses or whatever, as long it not personal loan. Thanks. Police will not follow up more, they only doing a report to close the whole case. It that simple, the rest of the owning of $$, she has to use lawyer to use u, of coz, if she want to scam as cheating case, u will be invloved, and police will not carry on, the rest is her lawyer, so u must think of a way to slove yr misunderstanding abt the $$ issue.


its very hard to mention it as biz loss. cos she say she gt the sms i sent which is used as evidence i borrow money for her as personal loan. so u mean nothing wil happen to me abt the harassment charges tt she lodged since i only sms her. so i assume the police jus wan my statement to close the report n case? its only she engage lawyer thn i wil get into trouble?

[ahpaul25]

so i assume the police jus wan my statement to close the report n case? its only she engage lawyer thn i wil get into trouble?

Yes, as it not a murder,molest case or any serious cases, this case will be carry on by her lawyer to sue u for this $$$ case, as mention, kindly remember to stated clear to police mention that it a misunderstanding, as u wish to clarify this issue , but she doubt u and u r too carry away, so u have a arguement with her and in the end, end up like this, so police will make a report for it to close case and she have to hire lawyer to sue u for losses, that's all. :D

[Keong19]

Glad to know that u are a calm guy who did not leave any serious evidence which can be charged against u, like vulgularly and harrassment wordings.
I am sure u will be fine (Remember to say the truth and no lie to the police), wish u good luck!

[shuaige84]

thx bros.. but she is one scheming gal cos she said she kept all the sms i sent to her as form of evidence tt i harass n cheat her...

[shuaige84]

but i jus called a law firm n spoken to a lawyer. he said it all depends on wad the gal said. it may lead to charge or court hearing if my statement gt prob. now i'm getting worried..

[jonah11]

Bro, allow me to give a few cents worth.

1) If your sms does not contain any verbal threats, i.e."killing her....throw her off the block.....burn her dead....." or any offensive or sexual remarks, you should be safe.

2) Now the situation is your word vs her word. Tell the truth to the police as you are required under the law (CPC) to do so. If she lies to the police, the law will catch up with her. It is an offence to lie to the police. So be truthful to them.

3) Even if she engages a lawyer now, it does not mean she will definitely win the case. From this point onwards, you should deal with the police. As for the business aspect, if she wants to negotiate and talk further with you, please get someone else or a third party who has no interest in your previous dealings to come along as an independent witness. Further, you must tell this third person that should this dispute goes to court, he or she must be willing to attend court and be your witness.

4) You may wish to find a law firm to stand-by. But not now. Don't incur any unnecessary costs.You have not received any Letter of Demand or Writ of Summons from her lawyer regarding this matter. It is not too late to engage a lawyer until you receive a Letter of Demand or Writ of Summons. If you had received a Writ of Summons, remember you have 8 days from the date you had received the Writ of Summons to file your next course of court action in court. Then please go and find a lawyer to represent you and give him or her all your details. Be true to the lawyer.

5) If the joint venture fails and there is a dispute to any financial amount, please get a financially trained person who is willing to help you both sort out the details. If there is a company set up by both of you, please get your internal auditor to prepare an annual Company audited accounts and send both copies to you. It is required under the Companies Act to file your company's accounts with the Accounting, Compliance and Regulatory Authority (ACRA) within 18 months from the date of incorporation or 15 months from the last Annual General Meeting or 6 months from the end of the company's financial year, whichever is the earlier date.

6) Don't panic about the police thing. They just record your Statement. And they will investigate. So long the smses don't contain what I have explained to you above, it is going to be classified as civil suit and they will leave it to you both to take civil actions. During this period, avoid doing anything that gives her any opportunity to have an upper hand over you.

7) That is the much things I can contribute based on your account. My last advice to you which is not of a legal nature but practical stand is NEVER OFFEND A WOMAN! I know it is a bit too late but it still can be salvaged and saved.

Let me know if you need further help. :)

[Deathknight1031]

I know right now you are VERY worried but please relax there is nothing to fear about since you did not make any verbal threat. Regarding the police all they want to do is just take down the statement and see what going on with you 2 since that "Bi*ch make a police report they have to do something mah..

This thingy will probably go to the court if she sue you BUT who the winner? you will never know and since you said that you are in the RIGHT i believe you will be alright. Nothing to worried about don't be too stressed =)

Take Care

[poison]

when u go to the police station for statement, can arrange the woman to be there as well? Then setttle the disputes and money problem once and for all.
It is either pay her back everything and have a black and white, then total clean clear cut with her or write off as business loss and proof, so that she can sign as well. Money problem something can lead to bigger problem. So, better have it clean and btw, why u call and sms the woman for? since she say u owe her $$, u still sms/call her to chit chat? then go to her house to pay $$ or not? If not, then she will definitely worried cause she dunno what intention u have when turning up at her house.

[peterfish]

hi bros... dunno where to post this issue but in the end decide to post it here.. cos recently i gt a call from police post saying someone lodging complaint against me for "harassment"? n after talking to the police, we arrange to meet sometime next wk for me to give my statement... hi bros any idea wad are the consequences after i give my statement?
i actually who is the one who lodged this complaint. its a female who say i harass her by smsing n call her? but den aft tinking again if this is serious the police will not have call me to give my statement instead they will straight away go to my house n arrest me right? n somemore can drage for few days then arrange to meet in police post for statement.. any idea wad will happen? this gal n i were colleagues once but due to some issues we quarreled. n recently i msg her n call her but she din ans n reply instead she report me to police. how? i kind of worried abt the consequences... n can't eat n sleep these few days... wil i get charged?
Actually going to police station to make statement or report is nothing. Anyine who has an issue involving others can go to the station and mkae. Neighbours too noisy, Neighbour walking along naked in their house, car accidents etc....so many things.

Making a report is usually the first step. This way, the police has a file ref number for the complain. Whether to purse further will depend on whether this is a civil or criminal matter. In your case, it is civil. Unless the other party wants to purse further, then it is usually just for record sake. And even if she doesn't so, it can only be a civil case. The Joo Chiat guy has spouted vulgarities at his neighbours for years and have been caught on tape. His neighbours have reported that family to police so many times. But in the end, they don't need to go to jail. Only pay money.

So why worried?

[bleahhh]

well...depending on the basis of her arguement la...if its nothing sexual or threatening to her safety...probably she went to lodge a complaint via the magistrate court then the mag directed police to investigate la...prbably nothing also...if serious already arrest...haha

thanks for the reply. i did nt flood her call at all. only sms her.
few days ago i sms her tt i going to her house n she sms back saying if i go to her house she will call the police. then that day i sms again (i on the way to ur house) n later that afternoon, i receive a call from police post saying someone lodged a complaint against me n they nid me to go down for giving statement. the police officer say either i go down to police post or they go to my house. obviously i say i go down to police post. n the police officer arrange to meet me like 5 days later leh. i tot usually this kind of thing is go police post immediately one? how come can wait for 5 days? n the no tt i receive this call dun seem like police no leh

n prev we quarrelled b4 over some financial thing.. cos last time we were biz partner. thn aft we had some disputes, we quarrel n i left her. thn she say i owe her money. thn i gt sms her but nv flood her inbox la.. like that consider harassment meh? nv prank call. i only sms her. wil this thing get more serious? i'm really worried.. how? i dun tink she will engage lawyer la.. but this thing is suspicious yet worrying for me..

any more advice from the bros?

[Castrol]

i owe her 2k plus... according to her... but i dun rmb owing her so much.. she is like a loanshark man.. n she say she gt bank trans receipts to prove she trans to my acc.

you also very funny. everything she say she say. pay her back what you owe her la, dont matter whether its biz or personal, is there a problem? no money?

suggestion: you bring your bank book, tell her to bring her transfer receipts, both go meet in the bank.

[shuaige84]

thanks bro for the advices n solns. i just exchange smses wif her this morning to see if we can settle this privately n she reply back " prison is the best place for certain ppl" " i regretted for nt reporting u to police earlier" "n for petty crimes jail sentence records wil be erased aft a few yrs" i apologised to her n hope to resolve this privately but receive sms like that. it seems like she is very assureing i'm going to prison... how ar bros... til now i haven go to police post for statement so i dun know the complaint reason.. but from wad i can tink of its at most she can say cheating case as i dun wan to return her the money but she volunteer to lend me the money w/o me requesting. n we nv sign IOU that i borrow money from her. the evidence she gt is sms that i thank her for lending me the money n i wil return her once i gt the money n the bank trans receipts that she trans money to my bank acc. n then another possibility she can complain me is harassment. 1st i nv flood her call or sms. at most 1-2 calls a day n not everyday. i call her is to hope we can salvage the situation n clear misunderstandings. but she take it as harassment. 2nd i nv send sms like to kill her or ... the most harsh things i typed is anticipate a present at ur doorstep n ur movement is tracked. n the most harsh words i used is she is a wolf in sheep clothing n act like a loan shark n she is rude n a saturnist n ..... i typed all these out of anger after provoked by her. so possiblility is cheating n harassment case. but i tink if its serious police would haf go to my house n arrest me. but it did not happen. so wad u all tink of it? wad are the worst scenarios? fine / charge?

[jodunreallycare]

Last time I kena nusiance calls total 1000 plus times to my house end up I report police and singtel caught the guy end up the guilty party also got warning only

[asjer]

Invitation to "drink" coffee at the police station don't amount to anything unless you are truly guilty of what the other party has complained about. Wanting you to make a statement is their way of saying they want to hear your side of the story before deciding if the complain is valid and warrants a police case or just a civil dispute.


recently i gt a call from police post saying someone lodging complaint against me for "harassment"? n after talking to the police, we arrange to meet sometime next wk for me to give my statement... i kind of worried abt the consequences... n can't eat n sleep these few days... wil i get charged?

Your most harsh comment consitutes Criminal Intimidation which is a criminal offence and especially since you're a guy and she's a woman.

Criminal intimidation.
503. Whoever threatens another with any injury to his person, reputation or property, or to the person or reputation of any one in whom that person is interested, with intent to cause alarm to that person, or to cause that person to do any act which he is not legally bound to do, or to omit to do any act which that person is legally entitled to do, as the means of avoiding the execution of such threat, commits criminal intimidation.

506. Whoever commits the offence of criminal intimidation shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 2 years, or with fine, or with both; and if the threat is to cause death or grievous hurt, or to cause the destruction of any property by fire, or to cause an offence punishable with death or with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 7 years or more, or impute unchastity to a woman, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 7 years, or with fine, or with both.

If am wrong, my sincere apologies but reading through your postings, i have a feeling that you are not being ENTIRELY honest with bros here with the actual account as you seem to divulge information bit by bit. If you wish to know more of what are the offences that you may have committed, you can do a search at http://agcvldb4.agc.gov.sg/


the most harsh things i typed is anticipate a present at ur doorstep n ur movement is tracked. but i tink if its serious police would haf go to my house n arrest me. but it did not happen. so wad u all tink of it? wad are the worst scenarios? fine / charge?

[jodunreallycare]

I send sms to my boss wife inform her of my boss extra-marital affairs then my boss wife report police will I be in hot soup? Pls advice

[shuaige84]

first i wanna thank the bros for their golden advices n solns. i stated wad i did here truthfully. n most ppl whom i relate this matter to told me that its not a serious case. if it is serious i wouldn't have to wait for 3-4days to give my statement. cos first i did not flood her sms or call. 1 or 2 call a day is not considered flooding. as for sms, i did send like 30- 40 sms at one go which is deemed as flooding. so the most concrete evidence she can have is the content of my sms and the bank receipts. cos i did not cause any phycial threat or harm to her.

even my most harsh sms is " expect a present at ur doorstep n ur movement is tracked" and "u r a loanshark, wolf in a sheep clothing, u r a saturnist" and " u r a rude christian" my sms content do nt haf any threat to her life or sexual threat. as for cheating case, she has no concrete evidecne as she trans the money to my bank acc willingly at her own accord when she knew of my financial difficulty a yr ago. and the sum involved is petty 2k plus which i dun tink she will be so stupid to bring up to court case. as engaging a lawyer nid few k. so at most is police case. n first when she lent me the money, i did not guarantee her any good benefits so its nt cheating. n this loan matter is a yr ago, if she decide to bring it up i can retort saying why u wait til so long then bring this matter up. its obvious this action means hiding something.


as for harassment, i did not cause physical harassment. but she claimed she kept smses which she deemed as threat. but i dun rmb i sent any of that. n those harsh sms i sent is partly due to antagonise by her. i try to salvage our frenship n solve any misunderstanding by sms if i can go to her house so that we can resolve this n she reply by warning to call the police. any of u will surely feel annoyed right? so i gt my stand for each arguments. til nw i dun know the cause of complaint it can be cheating or harassment. definietly nt sexual/physical harrasment cos i'm stil here free n alive. so i guess it shd be civil case. n the worst scenario i can tink of is fine.


btw fine wil leave a black record? or only jail will? as for the smses she sent this mornign i'm stil puzzled why she say til like i definitely go to prison. why is she so confident. i did nutting serious. any advice? thx

[asjer]

Bro, if you wish to have the police crashing on your door in the middle of the night, fastest way is go assualt someone and then throw your identity card at them for identification.

Consider yourself lucky that you are one of those lucky souls invited to drink coffee first. The offence you comitted is definitely "criminal intimidation" and it don't need to be an open threat to consitute that offence. As long as the other party feels threatened, they have every right to make a police report, which she did.

As to why it takes a few days just to record your statement, it's probably due to the Investigating Officer that the report was made to will not be available till then. Advise to you when you go see him/her is to come clean and be co-operative.

Best case scenerio if you're extremely co-operative, you will be issued with a police warning which means you better not commit anymore follies after this or you will be dealt with the highest sentence the crime permits. Alternatively, if the other party persists in pressing charges, the IO can recommend the lowest sentence for you which is a fine.

Worst case scenerio, if you go for the interview arguing you did nothing wrong, your friends say it's not a crime and so on so forth, be prepared to spend some time in lock-up.

Key word is be highly co-operative, listen to what the IO says and give your side of the story. Don't argue or anything, just listen and give your side of the story in a tame manner and ask questions or guidance politely.

As to your question, as long as you're charged in court, you'll have a record.



even my most harsh sms is " expect a present at ur doorstep n ur movement is tracked"

btw fine wil leave a black record? or only jail will? as for the smses she sent this mornign i'm stil puzzled why she say til like i definitely go to prison. why is she so confident. i did nutting serious. any advice? thx

[sammyboyfor]

What does all this have to do with sex???? :confused:

[jackylee]

thanks bro for the advices n solns. i just exchange smses wif her this morning to see if we can settle this privately n she reply back " prison is the best place for certain ppl" " i regretted for nt reporting u to police earlier" "n for petty crimes jail sentence records wil be erased aft a few yrs" i apologised to her n hope to resolve this privately but receive sms like that. it seems like she is very assureing i'm going to prison... how ar bros... til now i haven go to police post for statement so i dun know the complaint reason.. but from wad i can tink of its at most she can say cheating case as i dun wan to return her the money but she volunteer to lend me the money w/o me requesting. n we nv sign IOU that i borrow money from her. the evidence she gt is sms that i thank her for lending me the money n i wil return her once i gt the money n the bank trans receipts that she trans money to my bank acc. n then another possibility she can complain me is harassment. 1st i nv flood her call or sms. at most 1-2 calls a day n not everyday. i call her is to hope we can salvage the situation n clear misunderstandings. but she take it as harassment. 2nd i nv send sms like to kill her or ... the most harsh things i typed is anticipate a present at ur doorstep n ur movement is tracked. n the most harsh words i used is she is a wolf in sheep clothing n act like a loan shark n she is rude n a saturnist n ..... i typed all these out of anger after provoked by her. so possiblility is cheating n harassment case. but i tink if its serious police would haf go to my house n arrest me. but it did not happen. so wad u all tink of it? wad are the worst scenarios? fine / charge?

Bro.. sorry to say but i find you kia si or naive. Don't get played round and round by this childish stupid woman. You should know your rights and use more common sense. If the SMSes you sent are as what you said, do you think that few simple SMSes would land you in jail?? At most a fine like what a bro said before. If she want to land you in jail, i think she would need to pay much more than what you owed her to do so.

As regarding the money, she can only prove that she had transffered the money over to you but she can't prove what it's for (biz or personal loan), unless she goes to bank and said she transfer to the wrong account then it would be invalid in duno how many days of the transaction. She say she got lawyer friend then u scared liao? :rolleyes: ..talk is cheap bro. IMHO the whole thing is she just wanna scared the shit out of you and pay her back.

[shuaige84]

thx bros for the advices.. tmr will be going to record my statement.. hope everything wil be fine.. suppoes to be today but the police agree to change the day to tmr..

[SanPiPa]

thx bros for the advices.. tmr will be going to record my statement.. hope everything wil be fine.. suppoes to be today but the police agree to change the day to tmr..

Dun worry, urs small case nia...
U wont be charged , fine or anything. at most a warning.

just cooperate. wear nice nice, act nerd nerd, the Investigating officer see ur pattern tat u wont play punk or anything, then shld be ok liao.
She complain, so they die die need to ask u in for kopi and to record ur statement.

Dun lie, but dun need to volunteer and say that u had "borrowed" 2k from her if nobody ask u that question.
Find out what the charge is all about, then see how it goes.
got so many "legal eagles" here to help u with their expert advices,
dun worry too much.

oh yeah, stop ur sms to her to apologise and say u are wrong etc, if u send any sms to admit watever u are doing, she got UPDATED proof and u be in deeper shit. Stop being naive.
Stop communicating with her thru sms liao lah, pls lah, use ur head.
If want to call her, use private number, or public fone best (cos telcom can still track u even if u using pte number if the receipent had lodge police report and police want telcom to help them track a private caller)

Like wat we always say in SAF : u can do watever you want, BUT DUN GET CAUGHT.

[shuaige84]

thanks bros. i went to gv my statement yest n the case is not closed yet.. i admitted to those acts n apologised. n told the police i gt no ill intention but was under under provocation n angeer to send those smses.. hope everything wil be fine...

[obelisk]

What does all this have to do with sex???? :confused:

erm...
after the money transfer, maybe the girl din get the sex she wanted???:confused:

but i hope our shuaige bro will be safe...=D

[shuaige84]

hi bros yest i email the lady a letter of apology n my propose to return her the money by a date line n she reply in an unfriendly tone

these are her replies:

1) Dealing with people like you, l need to be extra careful. Hence I need to consult the police and lawyer before making any decision

2)It is His will to bring good out of it, so there is nothing I can help you. Read up Jeremiah 4:18

3)When you were doing such a string of terrible things repeatedly to someone's parent, why didnt you ask yourself how would you feel when some one did that to your parents? If my child has even done to some one like what you have done to me, I would thank the one who reports her, and send her to the best learning place before she commits a bigger one.

Who the hell has ever heard of debtor harassing the creditor, to make thing worse this creditor didnt even ask this debtor to pay up.

The world is upside down, even the police were laughing their heads off.

Let the Law decides the outcome since it is already in their hands. please dont bother me anymore, I meant it.

4) Where the hell did I ever tell you l want to settle with you privately?

[shuaige84]

during on tt day i gv my statement, n the police told me the offenses are

1) spamming the lady's email add in a yahoo online ad

2) sending harsh smses which the lady deemed threatening
eg there's illegal things in ur house n i call the police to arrest u
dun go out alone at nite cos i dunno wad the brothers will do to u

are these offense serious n will it result in imprisonment?

[Orgasmic]

xiao di,

your smses are definitely threatening. You have admitted sending those smses. If your intention is not to threaten her, then what is your intention of sending that SMS?!

You did not only intimidate the bitch; you have committed a criminal defamation by calling her names which were untrue. Even if it was true, u have to prove it in the event that she charges you in a civil court. Do you know that defamation suits are the hardest to defend?

If I were the bitch, i will not bite u using the police.. cos i wont get any $$ at the end of the day. I will go by a defamation suit and sue u for $50,000.

during on tt day i gv my statement, n the police told me the offenses are

1) spamming the lady's email add in a yahoo online ad

2) sending harsh smses which the lady deemed threatening
eg there's illegal things in ur house n i call the police to arrest u
dun go out alone at nite cos i dunno wad the brothers will do to u

are these offense serious n will it result in imprisonment?

[SanPiPa]

U want advise
but u dun follow advise.
duno u ask us for wat?!

Ask u dun go contact her, or email her, or sms her, to admit u are wrong
and want to settle privately etc.
Now win liao lor, she got ur stupid email admitting u own her money,
admitting u are wrong to say such tings abt her etc. Somemore this is proof which u just "send" recently.

Dont know what to say about you.

How to win a case when you already admit your guilt?
whats there to fight? Now she got upper hand, let her do watever she wants lor. U want to send more email or sms , going to make matter worst for yourself, trust me.

[armanisexchange]

Threadstarter, you're a young, naive, inexperienced and totally whacked-out, fucking moron!

First, you were afraid of the kopi session and kept harping about how serious is the matter if you can see the IO a few days later. You think the whole police post only got 1 case a day ah? The IO probably got tons of cases pending and small fries like you are probably wasting his energy and keeping him from going home on time.

So many bros have advised you to stop communicating with this woman, whether via email or SMS and yet you continue to SMS and email her. For fuck??? Are you plain stupid or what? This woman has conveniently passed the matter to the police so that she doesn't have to deal with you and you persistently communicate with her. From now on, wait for the IO to call you for follow-up, no need to hero and try to call the woman, the IO doesn't care and you may actually aggravate matters further by making yourself look the guilty one.

Backtrack a little. You didn't tell us what business venture you two were doing, how long did the business last, whose and how much money was put into this venture and why did the business close. Be honest lah, don't come out saying she's the bad person and you're being bullied. You may also be the bastard in this business venture and that is why she doesn't want to have any more dealings with you, even though you still owe her money. She's right in her email reply to you, where in the world got debtor go chasing up creditor one? Really and honestly lah, is your intention just to make amends? Or are you secretly hankering for some tender loving action with her?

Tell me, honestly... ;)

[Cheri_Popper]

From what I read and if what you stated is the whole truth, there is no offence at all and if there is so, it is purely a civil suit.

For a sum of 2k, it would be classified as a Fraudelent Debtor, a NFA or NOD case.

However, if you have used fraud and endues her to trans $ to your acc, that would be cheating.

[Cheri_Popper]

during on tt day i gv my statement, n the police told me the offenses are

1) spamming the lady's email add in a yahoo online ad
What offence under the Penal Code - Don't kanna con la!

2) sending harsh smses which the lady deemed threatening
eg there's illegal things in ur house n i call the police to arrest u
Did you wrote this type of sms in the first place?

dun go out alone at nite cos i dunno wad the brothers will do to u
As above!

are these offense serious n will it result in imprisonment?

Read up on the Harrassement in the Penal Code

[shuaige84]

bros but u muz know when the police ask me if i did those things, i muz tell the truth n admitted that i had done the acts. cos the truth is i did spam her email online ad n i did sms her those harsh things.. so i couldn't deny these offense.. i admitted to the police n also apologised for my actions. then he ask wad's my intention n i told him i attempt to resolve our conflicts but she misunderstood me n quarrel wif me thus i do those things out of anger n on impulse.. thn aft the statement the police tell me nt to do those things again n i ask if its closed case? n he say he wil keep in touch wif me.. as for the biz we venture we were partners in tuition agency.. n the moneey she trans is a loan to me willingly to help me overcome my financial crisis..

[Cheri_Popper]

Criminal intimidation Sec 503 Cap 224
Whoever threatens another with any injury to his person, reputation or property, or to the person or reputation of any one in whom that person is interested, with intent to cause alarm to that person, or to cause that person to do any act which he is not legally bound to do, or to omit to do any act which that person is legally entitled to do, as the means of avoiding the execution of such threat, commits criminal intimidation.

Explanation.
A threat to injure the reputation of any deceased person in whom the person threatened is interested, is within this section.

Illustration
A, for the purpose of inducing B to desist from prosecuting a civil suit, threatens to burn B’s house. A is guilty of criminal intimidation.

Punishment for criminal intimidation. If threat is to cause death or grievous hurt, etc. Sec 506 Cap 224.
Whoever commits the offence of criminal intimidation shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 2 years, or with fine, or with both; and if the threat is to cause death or grievous hurt, or to cause the destruction of any property by fire, or to cause an offence punishable with death or with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 7 years or more, or impute unchastity to a woman, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 7 years, or with fine, or with both.

Criminal intimidation by an anonymous communication.Sec 507 cap 224. Whoever commits the offence of criminal intimidation by an anonymous communication, or by having taken precautions to conceal the name or abode of the person from whom the threat comes, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 2 years, in addition to the punishment provided for the offence by section 506.

Act caused by inducing a person to believe that he will be rendered an object of divine displeasure. Sec 508 Cap 224
. Whoever voluntarily causes or attempts to cause any person to do anything which that person is not legally bound to do, or to omit to do anything which he is legally entitled to do, by inducing or attempting to induce that person to believe that he, or any person in whom he is interested, will become or will be rendered by some act of the offender an object of divine displeasure if he does not do the thing which it is the object of the offender to cause him to do, or if he does the thing which it is the object of the offender to cause him to omit, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to one year, or with fine, or with both.

Illustration
(a) A performs a ceremony at Z’s door with the intention of causing it to be believed that by so doing he renders Z an object of divine displeasure, unless Z does something he is not legally bound to do. A has committed the offence defined in this section.

(b) A threatens Z that unless Z performs a certain act, A will kill one of A’s own children, under such circumstances that the killing would be believed to render Z an object of divine displeasure. A has committed the offence defined in this section.

Word or gesture intended to insult the modesty of a woman. Sec 509 Cap 224. Whoever, intending to insult the modesty of any woman, utters any word, makes any sound or gesture, or exhibits any object, intending that such word or sound shall be heard, or that such gesture or object shall be seen by such woman, or intrudes upon the privacy of such woman, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to one year, or with fine, or with both.

[shuaige84]

From what I read and if what you stated is the whole truth, there is no offence at all and if there is so, it is purely a civil suit.

For a sum of 2k, it would be classified as a Fraudelent Debtor, a NFA or NOD case.

However, if you have used fraud and endues her to trans $ to your acc, that would be cheating.


bro thx for the reply. first time she lent me money she volunteer to lent one cos i did nt ask for her help. 2nd time is i ask her if she willing to lend me n she lend. the whole case is she out of her will to lend me n i did nt promise anything good for her if she lend me. n to engage a lawyer wil nid more than 2k so i tink she wouldn't wan to blow up the whole matter since i promise to return the money to her..

2ndly i did type those smses cos these are the smses that are stated in the lady's statement. the police ask for my intention n i say i did nt harbor any ill intention of threatening her. i did those things out of anger n on impulse cos when i wan to resolve conflicts she refuse n quarrel wif me. the fact is she did ask me to return her the money after the 1st quarrel n i feel somehow cheated. cos the 1st time she lent me money i know her barely 3wks. n i was surprised that she lent me money to pay off my gambling debts. i gt no choice but to accep the money from her if nt i would haf been in trouble wif bookies. thn after quarrel she ask for the money n i can report it as she act as a loanshark lor.. cos will a person whom u know barely 3 wks lent u money? that person may harbor some motives cos i dun tink humans can be so gd.. n she claimed she is a true christian yet sent those rude replies in the email..

[Cheri_Popper]

2ndly i did type those smses cos these are the smses that are stated in the lady's statement. the police ask for my intention n i say i did nt harbor any ill intention of threatening her. i did those things out of anger n on impulse cos when i wan to resolve conflicts she refuse n quarrel wif me. the fact is she did ask me to return her the money after the 1st quarrel n i feel somehow cheated. cos the 1st time she lent me money i know her barely 3wks. n i was surprised that she lent me money to pay off my gambling debts. i gt no choice but to accep the money from her if nt i would haf been in trouble wif bookies. thn after quarrel she ask for the money n i can report it as she act as a loanshark lor.. cos will a person whom u know barely 3 wks lent u money? that person may harbor some motives cos i dun tink humans can be so gd.. n she claimed she is a true christian yet sent those rude replies in the email..

You are contradicting youself, earlier posts you said that the money is for business partnership and now you said is a personal loan. So which is which?

If you had told her to join in a business venture with you but the business did not take off and you refuse or had not repay her share which she had banked into your acc, there is already CHEATING under Sec 420 Cap 224

[shuaige84]

From what I read and if what you stated is the whole truth, there is no offence at all and if there is so, it is purely a civil suit.

For a sum of 2k, it would be classified as a Fraudelent Debtor, a NFA or NOD case.

However, if you have used fraud and endues her to trans $ to your acc, that would be cheating.
bro the penal code tt u stated sound serious.. do i fall into that category? i'm really worried bro.. btw for the prisonment sentence it muz be in court right? the police can't jus sentence a person to imprisonment?

[Cheri_Popper]

Cheating Sec 415 Cap 224
Whoever, by deceiving any person, fraudulently or dishonestly induces the person so deceived to deliver any property to any person, or to consent that any person shall retain any property, or intentionally induces the person so deceived to do or omit to do anything which he would not do or omit if he were not so deceived, and which act or omission causes or is likely to cause damage or harm to that person in body, mind, reputation or property, is said to “cheat”.

Explanation 1.
A dishonest concealment of facts is a deception within the meaning of this section.

Explanation 2.
Mere breach of contract is not of itself proof of an original fraudulent intent.

Illustrations
(a) A, by falsely pretending to be in the Government service, intentionally deceives Z, and thus dishonestly induces Z to let him have on credit goods for which he does not mean to pay. A cheats.

(b) A, by putting a counterfeit mark on an article, intentionally deceives Z into a belief that this article was made by a certain celebrated manufacturer, and thus dishonestly induces Z to buy and pay for the article. A cheats.

(c) A, by exhibiting to Z a false sample of an article, intentionally deceives Z into believing that the article corresponds with the sample, and thereby dishonestly induces Z to buy and pay for the article. A cheats.

(d) A, by tendering in payment for an article a bill on a house with which A keeps no money, and by which A expects that the bill will be dishonoured, intentionally deceives Z, and thereby dishonestly induces Z to deliver the article, intending not to pay for it. A cheats.

(e) A, by pledging as diamonds articles which he knows are not diamonds, intentionally deceives Z, and thereby dishonestly induces Z to lend money. A cheats.

(f) A intentionally deceives Z into a belief that A means to repay any money that Z may lend to him, and thereby dishonestly induces Z to lend him money, A not intending to repay it. A cheats.

(g) A intentionally deceives Z into a belief that A means to deliver to Z a certain quantity of pepper which he does not intend to deliver, and thereby dishonestly induces Z to advance money upon the faith of such delivery. A cheats; but if A, at the time of obtaining the money, intends to deliver the pepper, and afterwards breaks his contract and does not deliver it, he does not cheat, but is liable only to a civil action for breach of contract.

(h) A intentionally deceives Z into a belief that A has performed A’s part of a contract made with Z, which he has not performed, and thereby dishonestly induces Z to pay money. A cheats.

(i) A sells and conveys an estate to B. A, knowing that in consequence of such sale he has no right to the property, sells or mortgages the same to Z without disclosing the fact of the previous sale and conveyance to B, and receives the purchase or mortgage money from Z. A cheats.

(j) A, playing with false dice, or marked cards, wins money from B. A cheats.

Punishment for cheating.Sec 417 Cap 224
Whoever cheats shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to one year, or with fine, or with both.

Cheating with knowledge that wrongful loss may be thereby caused to a person whose interest the offender is bound to protect.Sec 418 Cap 224. Whoever cheats with the knowledge that he is likely thereby to cause wrongful loss to a person whose interest in the transaction to which the cheating relates, he was bound, either by law or by a legal contract, to protect, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 3 years, or with fine, or with both.

Punishment for cheating by personation.Sec 419 Cap 224
Whoever cheats by personation shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 3 years, or with fine, or with both.

Cheating and dishonestly inducing a delivery of property. Sec 420 Cap 224 Whoever cheats and thereby dishonestly induces the person deceived to deliver any property to any person, or to make, alter or destroy the whole or any part of a valuable security, or anything which is signed or sealed, and which is capable of being converted into a valuable security, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 7 years, and shall also be liable to fine.

[shuaige84]

You are contradicting youself, earlier posts you said that the money is for business partnership and now you said is a personal loan. So which is which?

If you had told her to join in a business venture with you but the business did not take off and you refuse or had not repay her share which she had banked into your acc, there is already CHEATING under Sec 420 Cap 224

bro i tink u misinterpret. b4 i join her tuition agency, she lent me the money voluntarily 2-3 occassions to overcome my financial crisis. thn after i settle my debts, i go venture into her tuition agency so the money she trans is considered personal loan n nuttin to do wif biz.. is it consider cheating? cos she only haf the sms tt i borrow money from her n the bank tran receipts

[Cheri_Popper]

bro the penal code tt u stated sound serious.. do i fall into that category? i'm really worried bro.. btw for the prisonment sentence it muz be in court right? the police can't jus sentence a person to imprisonment?
This is would would happen you you.

1. The IO after investigating the case will decide to NFA or recommend to AG Chamber for charge to be brought up against you.

2. The AG Chamber will decide if there is enough evidence to charge you in Court.

3. If charge in Court, you are might be either fine or serve time in jail if the offence you committed carried a custerial punishment.

4. You go jail and serve time and have a Criminal Record for the rest of your life.

[Cheri_Popper]

bro i tink u misinterpret. b4 i join her tuition agency, she lent me the money voluntarily 2-3 occassions to overcome my financial crisis. thn after i settle my debts, i go venture into her tuition agency so the money she trans is considered personal loan n nuttin to do wif biz.. is it consider cheating? cos she only haf the sms tt i borrow money from her n the bank tran receipts

Have you repaid her earlier loans to her? Did you told her to use that loan $ and use it as a joint business venture? There is a difference you know!

[shuaige84]

i haven pay her anything yet.. i did not ask her to use any loan in the biz.. btw in the tuition biz, i'm jus an assistant n earn commm from the cases i closed. i jus pay her the ad fee tt's all.. the personal loan n biz dun overlap.. bro u sound serious regarding the offences may lead to jail sentence..

but durin the statement recording, the police only raise up these 2 issues. whether i spam her email in a yahoo online ad n whether i sent the 2 smses which she deemed threatening.. but i apologised n explain that i dun mean anything n i do those things out of anger n on impules as i try to resolve conflicts but she refuse n annoy me.. how? are these serious?

[Cheri_Popper]

i haven pay her anything yet?

You got PM!

[slyer]

cherri popper u sound very knowledgable in law thing... gues u r either a lawyer or police.. great one bro..

[shuaige84]

its been 1month plus going to 2months since i recorded my statement n there's no news from the police.. recently i call the police n ask abt my case n he say he pass it to other IO to investigate n when the case is concluding they wil ask me down to sign sth... from the look of the situation can the senior bros out there advise on the chances i can get away with a warning ? thanks bros

[Orgasmic]

it is really difficult its been 1month plus going to 2months since i recorded my statement n there's no news from the police.. recently i call the police n ask abt my case n he say he pass it to other IO to investigate n when the case is concluding they wil ask me down to sign sth... from the look of the situation can the senior bros out there advise on the chances i can get away with a warning ? thanks bros

if a gal says something bad about a guy, it is taken quite seriusly even if its utter bullshit. look at what has happened in Singapore when a girl starts to bull her way with lies.

Real Singapore Story taken from other websites. I think by now, half of Singapore would have known this girl who has prostituted herself and cried threatening.


I had an agreement for sex for a few times with an ITE prostitute by the name of Poh LZ ( Simei ITE Accounting grad )


After 1 time of sex, I drove her home to Pandan Garden. She is staying at Blk 411. At that point in time, she was a student in Clementi ITE. She is graduating from Simei ITE this June 2006.


The next time when I message her to meet to finish up the transaction and for payment, she called up the police and accused me of "threatening her" for sex.


In the year 2004, she told the police that I threatened her at 5pm.

In the year 2005, she told the police that I threatened her at 3:15pm

In the year 2006, she told the court that I threatened her at 1-2pm.

Every year, she CHANGED her statement.

She claimed she had " deleted " the threatening SMS. Without any objective evidence, she change her statements and the charge was amended more than 5 times ( 7 times? ) over a period of 2004, 2005, 2006. Where is the credibility of this girl?


Guys, this email is to stop u from getting into trouble with the law. Isnt it obvious what is going on and what is the girl up to?

And please do not say there is a defamation. Whatever is revealed here is what the girl has acually said and confirmed herself in a court of Singapore.

-> Dont think anyone will be stupid enuff to write something to let someone sue them unless that person had indeed had a transaction over $ ( termed prostitute ) in the first place.



You decide.