China MMs - Excuses and Emotional scams

[Huzige]

Up to two years ago, I rarely met any Singaporeans or Malaysians in places like CP. Now, they are becoming as common as Hongkees and Taiwanese. However, many (who are regulars here in SB forums) are beginning to comment on falling into traps like “getting the CP gong-tau” – I feel it is only appropriate that these brudders should be fore-warned to prevent much heart-aches that I’ve seen happened to many of the Taiwanese and Hongkees who have been cheonging in China much earlier, especially southern China. Indeed, I’ve seen a lot of these since my first visit to China in late 1983!

I want to start this thread for brudders to share their hard-earned experiences, so that “newbies” can avoid the same mistakes, and be more “street-smart.” Well, you can always mentioned it as a “friend’s experience” to protect the innocents, hehehe! And age has no bearing on definition of “newbie” since an old fart who has been around, but making first trip to PRC is still a “newbie” in my book.

Firstly, for the un-initiated, ALWAYS REMEMBER that despite all the bright lights, the BBSs, SNs, KTVs, etc etc that provide a façade of modern entertainments with seemingly endless numbers of MMs (mei mei) – at the end of the day, mainland China is still a communist (or they prefer to call it “socialist with Chinese characteristics) country, where the western laws as we know it do not apply. It may not appear so with all the MMs walking around towns like CP, but prostitution is illegal and China conducts periodic “Yan Da” to clamp down. Tough shit if you get caught with your pants down. And for your reference, because of the many “under-age” MMs at places such as BBSs, please visit this website to remind yourself of some of the possible consequences: http://www.ageofconsent.com/china.htm

Sorry, I digress… A Taiwanese friend in his 40s once asked: “How come when I hold hand with my wife, it’s like holding my other hand. But when I hold my China MM’s hand, I feel like an 18yo again?” Well, his feeling is not unique and that’s how most of my Singaporean and Malaysian friends of all ages feel too, explaining why so many of us who speak the language and thus no communication problem have such “kids in Disneyland” feelings in places like CP. To make it worst, China is so big - there are so many other similar places like CP all over China. As I always lament: so many MMs, so little time! And why would so many Chinese MMs getting into the game? Well, it’s all economics; I remember a MM I met in a top Club in Beijing who is a lawyer by training (and I checked it out!) but wasn’t shy in admitting that she is in it to make good money, as well as having lots of fun and meeting interesting people at the same time! Indeed, there is a Chinese saying: “?????“ (Afraid of being poor, but not afraid of being labeled a prostitute.)

Thus, the MMs’ primary objective is to relieve you of as much RMB/$$ as she can, in as short a time as possible. In the short term, some may even give the excuse to avoid staying over-night or leaving early in the morning, even though she promised to spend the night with you. Possible reason could be she is already “sponsored” with a monthly “retainer” but out to earn more spare cash. However, many will start playing the mental game with you to try getting you to pay her more, and converting you to “Instant ATM” for as long as she can. Indeed, I’ve known many Taiwanese friends who found subsequently to their horrors that they are not the only “ATMs” – the same MM has many “ATMs” at the same time – obviously a smart MM, who will probably be calling all the sponsors by the same name “Lao Gong?” Well, I call all my MMs “Lao Po” to keep them happy, but mainly because I can never remember all their names too!

So, this is the reason for this thread – What EXCUSES AND SCAMS by China MMs that you have heard or encountered in turning cheongsters into instant ATMs, or extracting more? I will start the ball rolling:
1. “Actually I’m new here. I was working in the factory, but my family needs money urgently, that’s why… I never had any boyfriend before and I feel so happy with you. But I’m not used to be here and really want to go home…”
2. “I never go out with customers, only sit with them for tips. What, you think all Chinese girls will go out with customers? You men are all the same, you think money can buy everything. Then again, I don’t usually talk so much with other customers – but with you it’s different – I can talk all kind of things with you – now you are my best friend, you know that, don’t you?”
3. “I don’t usually go out, but I’ll make an exception for you if you give me X,000 yuan. I know you Singaporeans are very generous – the last one I went out about three months ago gave me 3000 yuan for the night I spent with him.”
4. “I don’t care what you think about me, afterall I’ve no regret. But I really like being with you and not expecting anything from you. When will you be back?”
5. Take you shopping and somehow “stroll” into a goldsmith shop – and then encouraging you to buy the gold necklace for her – with comments like “ I can use it and it will retain value for rainy days….”;
6. Well, folks – that’s enough for me…. I’ll let other brudders to tell more stories…

Some brudders may said, “but she gave me such good service” – then by all means, give her “tips” – but don’t spoil the market, hor. And like my Taiwanese friend commented, it’s okay to “??” (feeling sea sick; good for ego) but don’t “??“(boat sank!)

Last words of humble advice from an old fart – just remember: “Business is business, love is all BULLSHIT.” Play hard, but remember the 5-Fs: “Find Them, Feel Them, Finger Them, Fcuk Them, but most importantly Forget Them.” I know I sound like a mercenary – but then again, I presume SB forumers go there for good bonks, right? Otherwise, they should just stay home.

[Faidenk]

I cannot agree more with you.

An acquaintance I don't know very well is now on the verge of getting himself into deep shit. I just don't know how to go about warning him without appearing too nosy.

He's just been posted to China to head a rep office. On one of my trips I introduced to him a Chinese girl whom I met from a internet. No, I didn't do her, she's not my type. After I left, apparently they hooked up, I don't know who initiated it but I suspect it wasn't him.

It is now obvious to all, although he thought he's making good effort to conceal the fact, they are an item. Worse, she has been brought on board as his sales manager and paid an unheard of RMB15K, considering her last job paid only RMB3~4K. A month into the job, with no sales in sight, she's asking for commissions and incentives.

I think he's abusing his authority by subsidizing his girlfriend expenses by taking a lover on board the company. It's even worse if she can't perform, and I don't mean in the bedroom.

Second, it could mean a big mess if the relationship ever turns sour, both for him and the company. And this is an almost foregone likelyhood. I've seen spurned girlfriends bringing the gangsters into the negotiation for 'compensation for time lost'.

I don't feel guilty just because he met her through me, not in the least, but I think I have to at least warn him of the perils he's heading towards. We all know how touchy and sensitive this issue can be - warning a 50 year-old in the throes of his first (I believe) fling will fetch you as much attention as warning a in-puberty boy the dangers of excessive masturbation.

Maybe I ought to intro more women to him - once he sees the availability and the ease one can bed them, it might make him see the errors of his ways.

[Sinoview]

Originally Posted by Huzige

Last words of humble advice from an old fart – just remember: “Business is business, love is all BULLSHIT.” Play hard, but remember the 5-Fs: “Find Them, Feel Them, Finger Them, Fcuk Them, but most importantly Forget Them.” I know I sound like a mercenary – but then again, I presume SB forumers go there for good bonks, right? Otherwise, they should just stay home.

Thanks bro for starting this thread, i think it should served many fellow bros here well.....

For those who want to find true love and feeling from the WL PRCs meimei the chances are veri veri slimm.... unless you are able to satisfy their needs fully and be by their side all the time. Even then, there is no gaurantee they wont cheat on you woh....

For those who give their MM 5to10k rmb per month ( in South China) please be prepared to share their mm and her time with someone else's hoh. An ok KTV mm working in towns of DG like CP, ZMT, HJ, Humen etc... can easily make between 10 to 20k rmb per month.

We have came across many "home cook food" 私家菜 in the chiong places like ktv n BBS very often. Where do they come from ? and why are they there ?
They are mainly "bao" mm by the hkeys n taiwanese who happen to be not in town. Earn more income loh... Many times, we have come across these mm telling us to keep quiet and on the volume of the TV when their "lao gong" called. 老公,我在家看电视. 我好想你噢 !!! Knn... in actual fact, she was wwwwwwbonking away.....

On top of that, approx 80% of these WLs have some form of teddy boy or
狼狗. These teddy boy generally do not work and are living of these mm.

So if we cannot give "enough" and do not have the time. Please be prepared for "time share"...if not better stay away.....

[Huzige]

Although my thread was referring to the “working MMs,” obviously many “non-working” MMs also have their ways to turn their new found targets to instant “ATMs.” But don’t get me wrong, many of my friends are happily married to PRC MMs, who I have utmost respect for. But when a MM (irrespective of nationality) still throw herself to me after telling her I’m happily married is saying something about her characters and motives. Indeed, when a good-looking MM in her early/mid 20s throw herself at a mid-50s guy like me, I know it is definitely not my look that attracts her (despite her ego-boosting comments that she liked my matured look!)

My own observation is that the free ones are usually the most expensive ones. As someone recently commented at an outing in CP, “FOC” in this case is actually “Fcuk On Credit” because you will pay ultimately. For me, I usually tell a “non-working” MM that I’m married (even though I’m actually single) and it’s fair game then if she still wants to “pursue” an intimate relationship with me. Brudders who know me, know that I always carry a stack of Ang Pow (“red packet”) envelopes with me – I’ll give the MM one before I leave, the amount of which varies, depending on “performance” but definitely above the “market rate.” Some will “protest” – indeed, even “angry” by such Ang Pows – but somehow they all will accept it gladly when I told them it’s for them to buy themselves a gift since I’ve no time to go shopping for a present. Yes, it sounds mercenary – but it leaves my conscience free and we are together because we both want to have a good time with no string attached. Somehow, non ever said I’ve been taking advantage of her when I do want to “cool” off. Aiyah, you scratched my balls, I scratched your GG lor!

Faidenk, your acquaintance has probably committed the most stupid act of his life. But every man has to be responsible for his own actions. Unfortunately sometimes one has to learn the hard way. It’ll be tough for him to pull out of such situation – the best that could happen is to be transferred away, or even quit his job. I have heard of too many such stories when the guy’s little-head became the decision-maker – and the endings are usually ugly. Unfortunately, many young Singaporeans and Malaysians who have limited “luck” with girls back home, as well as the middle-age ones whose marriage is getting somewhat “monotonous” become easy targets when they get relocated to places where local MMs are extremely “friendly.” I agree with you – one way that friends can do is to introduce lots of MMs to them – it’s like MM-overload – so many that they will not know how to commit to one! That’s easy to do in places like CP, but maybe tough when working at a remote factory located in a village somewhere. Lonely nights away from family or "civilization" can make the mind goes bonkers

[marji]

Well, let me share my 2 cents worth...

this ktv chick try to 'scammed' me, maybe I looked nice and innocent! hehehe.... but unknown to her, I have been in the china scene way too long too....

She tried to asked me for a loan, using this excuse. Maybe I looked too stupid or this excuse really sucks!!

She: I have a friend who have a BIG BUSINESS. But now got a bit cash flow problem. He needs about 3000 RMB. BUT don't worry, he say he will put a DVD player which is worth 5000+RMB with you as mortagage. He will only take it back when he returns you the money.

Me: Fuck off.... (Alright, I didn't say that!) BUT I did told her straight in the face I am not interested.

[just4fun]

Originally Posted by Huzige

Last words of humble advice from an old fart – just remember: “Business is business, love is all BULLSHIT.” Play hard, but remember the 5-Fs: “Find Them, Feel Them, Finger Them, Fcuk Them, but most importantly Forget Them.” I know I sound like a mercenary – but then again, I presume SB forumers go there for good bonks, right? Otherwise, they should just stay home.

Your 5 Fs are 金玉良言

Especially the last F - "Forget them"

I certainly do agree that most (if not ALL) WL MM are all way out for your 毛泽东 in your wallet...But there are some cheongsters (aka idiots) willingly falling their prey....offering their hard-earned money to them or even to their 狼狗...

I do have a "friend" (a business partner - a super idling and CBL 1) in suzhou... He managed to convince his wife to allow him to come to china on context of "working"...He abandone his wife and kids back in Singapore and everyday hanky panky with his "tao - tou" everyday...I even suspect (just suspecting - cos his wife is making tons of money back in Singapore) that his wife is supporting him financially so that he can use his wife hard-earned $$$ to feed his mistress...This is real bad....

Anyway...I sometime feel very sad for those women (i.e our fellow cheongster's wife) back in singapore...

So I strongly urge all bros to cheong with our brains, dicks...But never with emotions...My gf alway tell me 肉体的背叛可以原谅，可是心灵的背叛是不可以原谅的

Anyway...Just my RMB 0.02 cents worth of thoughts

[Sperminator]

I am glad that this thread is started.

It was last year while I was in Shenzhen working, and as I was still new in the SZ scene, I tend to explore alot, and found out about this place in Shang Sha, it's a massage palour decorated in Japanese style.

Once I've visited, and pretended to be a newbie, and was ushered into the massage room...

Of course, wanting the best treatment, I've asked for a VIP room (about RMB 149 for 2 hrs of massage).

An innocent looking girl came in... and asked me if she is alright.

ME: "Please come in"

Then, the whole scam started... initially, being a newbie myself back then, I believed everything she told me...

The things she say was, "Oh, never have I met such a nice man like you, where are you from?" Me,"Singapore" [Believe me, my dear brudders, if you say you're from foreign countries, the MMs will eye you like a hungry HAWK, and zoom into you!]

So, the conversation started smoothly, and we end up having sex together... (She even pretended to me that, she is not the type of massuer that could do it(SEX) -> Bullshit, most massage palours allow you to have sex for RMB 300)

In retrospect, I must admit, I was hooked to her young juicy cunt...

Upon calculations, I've actually went to visit her about 3 times a week! for a good 1 month! (boils down to (RMB 150 + RMB 300 tips) X 3 X 4 = RMB 5400!)

At a point of time, she even told me that, thanks to me, she is being positioned as one of the top massuers of her establishment...

Not the end yet...

Then one day, she called me, and told me about her stories, saying that she came from a very poor family, and that she always wanted to do business...

And invited me to her rented apartment near her workplace.

She told me that I am special, as she never invited any men to her place before, and it's some hongkee kind uncle that rented for her (From then on, I woke up from my wishful thinking and dream... question on my mind then was, who the hell so nice to rent for her?)

Yes, we did bonk on her place that nite, but I purposely didn't bring my condoms... and to my expectations, she brought one from the cupboards...

In fact, there was a few occassions when I've dated her, and she have already treated me like her lover... and even treated me dinner once... of course, with the profits generated from her top customer.

The feeling is GF feeling, yes, but at the end of the day, I have to be realistic to myself... this relationship will not work out!

And there are just too many questions about this SYT...

Soon after, I've decided to let this relationship go, no, I didn't feel anything bad... as I was also warned by my brothers in Shenzhen the dangers of MM, and there are occassions, after months I've not contacted her, she called and ask for a meet up... but hell no.

so, brudders, SPEND your RMB wisely...

[Sinoview]

Originally Posted by Sperminator

In retrospect, I must admit, I was hooked to her young juicy cunt... SYT

Upon so, brudders, SPEND your RMB wisely...

Many a times, newbies to PRC will be charmed by their young and innocent look and youthful age....and of course juicy cunt....

Many will have some sad stories to tell. Like coming she some from poor family, just here for a few days or weeks actually wanted to coninue her studies but home finances was bad....no choice have to come to work here unwillingly.... To be fair, some of these stories are true but..... once they have into the city and embarked on this line...they will never never go back to what they are before....

I have came across many such sob stories... In one incident, one of our bros was so nice and did actually gave that SYT a sum of money to "go home". And she did. This sweet cute sweet gal is 18 yrs old. They even communicated when she was back to her home town and thanking our nice bro for what she did....For a few weeks they communicated like true friends.... Then out of the blue she disappeared...and cannot be contactable.

The next thing we knew from the papasan is that she is back to work in CP. Our bro met her and confrontated. Her answer was simple " i think this place offer me better future. I hv no future back in my home town".

The morale of the story is that once these gals step onto the "bright light" and tasted the easy money...they ll never never be the same again... They will be backed for more....$$$....

So bro. dont waste effort and money trying to help them .... unless u can give them more $$$ than what they could earned as a WL.... No way, they will settle for anything less..... It's all $$$ talks....

As what bro Huzige trying to put it's 笑贫不笑倡..in the PRC culture.....

[anikin]

very good & useful thread bro.

sometimes, for matters of the heart, the brain becomes useless & the heart takes over ... if not careful, you can be literally eaten alive in PRC! this thread should prove to be a very good guide & reminder for cheongsters new & old ...

one other thing to remind ourselves: i know for sure i'm not young or handsome anymore. i look at the mirror, i see a familiar face. not bad hor, like 10 or 20 yrs ago leh. but once i see a photo of myself, fucking hell, how come it's worse off than the mirror???!!! i believe our brain is trained to only interpret what is nice to ourselves. so other than our $$, what is there for the MM to get from our aging body & soul??? even for those in their 20s or 30s, this will be same.

so have to be realistic lah brudders ... it's a game & we should just get whatever shiokness we want from it. anything more may be a bonus. but don't expect more ... expect more & be prepared to pay more!!!

rock on bros ...

[somebody99]

Originally Posted by just4fun

Your 5 Fs are 金玉良言

Especially the last F - "Forget them"

I
So I strongly urge all bros to cheong with our brains, dicks...But never with emotions...My gf alway tell me 肉体的背叛可以原谅，可是心灵的背叛是不可以原谅的

Anyway...Just my RMB 0.02 cents worth of thoughts

i like this phrase : 肉体的背叛可以原谅，可是心灵的背叛是不可以原谅的...
thank you for that, bro!
i can always use that to 安慰自己。hahaha.....
me still got a long way to learn how to say "NO"!
sigh.....
anyway, most of us will learn the hard way tho'.....

rgds,

[somebody99]

Originally Posted by Sinoview

I have came across many such sob stories... In one incident, one of our bros was so nice and did actually gave that SYT a sum of money to "go home". And she did. This sweet cute sweet gal is 18 yrs old. They even communicated when she was back to her home town and thanking our nice bro for what she did....For a few weeks they communicated like true friends.... Then out of the blue she disappeared...and cannot be contactable.

The next thing we knew from the papasan is that she is back to work in CP. Our bro met her and confrontated. Her answer was simple " i think this place offer me better future. I hv no future back in my home town".

As what bro Huzige trying to put it's 笑贫不笑倡..in the PRC culture.....

eh? our honourable CO sinoview, ur story sounds familar leh.... u not talking about me hor? hahahaha....
dun tink it's me lah hor? i only gave her some money + a train ticket home(the bed ones cos dun wan her to stand 20 hrs +++, so poor thing...)
for my side, i always tell myself that if i can help, & it's within what i can do, i will try to do so... i cannot help everyone, cos everyone got their own stories.

我的宗旨是： 让我见到的，我能帮就帮，但是要在我能帮的范围内。要是超过的话，我就会对她说：对不起，我只能帮你到这样 ...i will feel better then...

as what happens after that i dun care liao, cos i've already guided her to a new path, and if she decided to turn back to where she started from, then it's also ok loh, cos i did what i think it's good for her liao, it's her own life...
家家有本难念的经，人人有张看不见的A片嘛！呵呵呵...

anyway, i always believe this:

just follow your heart... as long as it makes you feel good...
it'll do good to your karma.

rgds,

[Sean_c]

There r so many fishes in the pond... why stick to one?

[Sinoview]

China is a society where modern media create a demand for consumer items such as hand phone, branded goods etc, prositution is "the only realistic quick route to a better standard of living".....

Many of these meimei started out to make "something more of her life"... But once they are in it.... they will not be able to do a "humble" job back home....

[mrkent]

Originally Posted by somebody99

eh? our honourable CO sinoview, ur story sounds familar leh.... u not talking about me hor? hahahaha....
dun tink it's me lah hor? i only gave her some money + a train ticket home(the bed ones cos dun wan her to stand 20 hrs +++, so poor thing...)
for my side, i always tell myself that if i can help, & it's within what i can do, i will try to do so... i cannot help everyone, cos everyone got their own stories.

我的宗旨是： 让我见到的，我能帮就帮，但是要在我能帮的范围内。要是超过的话，我就会对她说：对不起，我只能帮你到这样 ...i will feel better then...

as what happens after that i dun care liao, cos i've already guided her to a new path, and if she decided to turn back to where she started from, then it's also ok loh, cos i did what i think it's good for her liao, it's her own life...
家家有本难念的经，人人有张看不见的A片嘛！呵呵呵...

anyway, i always believe this:

just follow your heart... as long as it makes you feel good...
it'll do good to your karma.

rgds,

wow.. ur a nice guy somebody.. good hearted.. props to u.


and as for just4fun, does ur gf know u fuk hookers?

[junction88]

[QUOTE=Huzige]
I want to start this thread for brudders to share their hard-earned experiences, so that “newbies” can avoid the same mistakes................

The best medicine or antidote to treat such scams is be harden your mind and heart.

When tackling MMs, you would normally used a lots of silver bullets, charms & emotions till you get them. As soon as you sensed something amid that she would makeup story wanting to ask for more money, you need to put a stop, you too can also makeup your own story such like you are not a big CEO or big short here, tell her that you are in debt back home with family to feed and take care, all the cock and bull stories that you think of, the point is to tell her that you are not that rich as she would think and that would give yourself a good excuses of not give her further financial support or lend her money, off course you have to prepare that she might also drop you. There are a lots of fishes in the pond, why settle for one !!!

Whenever I meet up with MMs, I never give out my business card, reasons being I do not want them to know where I am working and my job position. As soon as I can sensed that the gal is fond about me and I am interested in her, the standard SOP would apply till I get her, then I would start to tell her that I am married, no money and in debt and I am just looking for companionship here becos I am lonely, I will not marry anyone or buy you houses. You may surprised, most gals like this type of men as they felt some kind of loyalty and security.

合则来, 不合则散。That is my principle. It works quite well for me since I am able to have few GFs within the 2 yrs span here. If I get bored or the gal is too pester to me, I just need to wait till they make a mistake causing me upset, then I will sacked them, tell them to FO and never return to them anymore…..You must tell yourself, never pickup their calls or reply their SMS.

It is easiest to say then done. Yes, we all know that, harden your mind and heart. That's the medicines.

Just my Rmb 2-cents.

Cheer !